Oil runs the world. And right now the oil and gas industry is going through a major disruption because of the war in Iran. Oil prices are rising and there’s no end in sight. So, what does this mean for you?
Oil, Gas and Energy sector expert Dr. Carole Nakhle joins us to explain where the price of oil is headed, the major factors influencing prices at the pump and more.
Then, it’s Club Sandwiches and Grilled Cheese vs. Reubens and Cubans as we countdown the Top 5 Kinds of Sandwiches
00:00: Introducing Dr. Carole Nakhle
01:09: Why Gas Prices are Rising
03:25: How Oil Prices Impact the World Economy
05:54: What $200 a Barrell Would Look Like
08:24: Iran and Oil
09:18: History of Oil Shocks
12:56: How Long Before the Worst Case Scenario
14:05: The Importance of the Straight of Hormuz
16:04: Releasing The Strategic Petroleum Reserves
17:36: Getting Back to Normal
21:02: Pointless
49:34: Top 5 Sanwiches
Interview with Oil and Gas Expert Dr. Carole Nahkle
Nick VinZant 0:11
Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick VinZant Coming up in this episode, oil and sandwiches.
Dr. Carole Nahkle 0:19
We definitely have a major shock that has affected the biggest oil and gas producers and exporters in the world. You're talking about Iran, and I have the feeling that many have underestimated the ability of Iran to cause so much disruption. People don't realize that actually, volatility is fantastic business for some traders.
Nick VinZant 0:42
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or a review. We really appreciate. It really helps us out. So I want to get right to our first guest, because she is an expert in something that runs the world economy, but is also going through a major period of disruption. This is oil gas and energy expert, Dr Carol knockley, what's happening with the energy sector, slash oil and gas industry right now,
Dr. Carole Nahkle 1:15
many people are trying to get their head around what is happening today, but we definitely have a major shock that has affected the biggest oil and gas producers and exporters in the world. We have seen, not only energy infrastructure in the region, in countries that have nothing to do with with the war. By the way, like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, even Iraq and Bahrain, these countries have nothing to do with all, but they happen to be in that neighborhood, and Iran has been attacking their energy infrastructure. But I would say the biggest disruption that we are seeing today is because the Iranians have blocked the Strait of Hormuz. And the Strait of Hormuz is a very tiny water passage whereby you have almost 20% of global oil trade. So over 20% of the oil that is traded globally comes through that little narrow strait. And the same thing for liquefied natural gas, or what we call LNG, also, around 20% goes through that Strait, and as a result, we have serious supply disruption in the world from oil and gas. And that's why we're seeing prices jumping almost every day. And we are seeing levels that we have not seen for years now.
Nick VinZant 2:35
Is this, essentially, when you get down to it, supply and demand, I
Dr. Carole Nahkle 2:39
think it's primarily supply at the moment, so what we have is a supply shock. But I wouldn't say that's the only direction. This is not the only direction we're heading into, because if, for example, the US convinces other powers, such as the French or other European powers, or even Asian like the Chinese or the Japanese to help them to secure the oil tankers going through the Strait of Hormuz. Then as long as we see some tankers moving across that Strait, it kind of take away some of the pressure we are seeing on oil prices. And of course, if the war ends tomorrow, then we should see a rapid correction in prices. However, at the moment, we're really all sailing in the fog. Nobody knows how long the kind of current disruptions are going to continue.
Nick VinZant 3:25
How does this kind of ripple throughout the whole rest of the economy?
Dr. Carole Nahkle 3:29
Often we don't understand the importance of oil to our modern society. I mean, it's amazing. There's an industry which is more than a century old and still has such a major impact on global economy, I would say oil is king in the transport sector. Even if you have electric vehicles, they are not big enough to cause a dent in the demand for oil. But also, if you where you're sitting. Now, if you look around you, many products have an oil component into them, plastic, medicine, oil, perfume, makeup, some clothes. So there is always an element of petroleum into debt, and when you have this input becoming more expensive, then the higher cost is going to affect the final price of some of the products that we are buying. So this is where oil has an impact on the economy. However, today, oil is by far less important than what we saw in the 70s. So for those of you people you know who are interested, they can go online check the oil crisis of 1973 and they would see people queuing at petrol stations in the US. A huge economic problem resulted from that. But that's when oil was really much more important, because we did not develop alternatives our dependence on oil in terms of intensity, oil intensity is half what it used to be in the 70s, and that's why I want to say here something that may sound a bit crazy, but for oil price. Is to be only hovering around 100 is not too bad, given the scale of the problem that we have in the Middle East. If the same crisis would have happened perhaps 2030, years ago, I bet you would have seen prices perhaps 200 or even much higher than that.
Nick VinZant 5:18
Yeah, that's one thing that I've noticed is like, Oh, I thought this would be worse by now, considering how big of a problem that this seems to be over there exactly, if you were to kind of quantify this in terms of the importance of the global economy, because I think in terms of like one through 10, so to speak, in the 1970s it would have been like number 123,
Dr. Carole Nahkle 5:42
so let's say maybe in the 70s, it was one because it was accounting for more than on its own, for more than half of our needs, globally, energy needs. And today it's perhaps three.
Nick VinZant 5:54
So one of the things that has kind of come out as Iran said, oil could be $200 a barrel. What would that look like?
Dr. Carole Nahkle 6:02
Not pleasant. It's going to learn look nasty, but people don't realize that. Actually, we've been there before, 2008 just before the financial crisis and the global economic crisis, prices were above perhaps $200 a barrel. Also around 2022. We saw prices much higher than what we way, much higher than what we are seeing today. That's when Russia invaded Ukraine. But most importantly, when we started this year in January, everybody was expecting that we were going to have what we call surplus in supply. There is much more supply than what we needed, and that kind of gave us some safety cushions. However, if we started the year in an already tight situation where demand would be booming and supply wouldn't have enough supply, then I would say it would have been a much nastier scenario. So yes, I think the Iranians want to see $200 a barrel, because they think that's what causes some serious economic pain. But I mean, honestly, I think they need to revisit the market fundamentals and understand that all markets today are very different from when they were in the 70s and the 80s.
Nick VinZant 7:13
Is this more kind of a political problem than it is an actual economic problem then, because here in the United States, like gas prices go up, people are going to lose their minds.
Dr. Carole Nahkle 7:27
I would say it's more of a political problem. It was caused by a political problem. Every time prices of energy increase, they become a political problem because governments don't like to see energy prices increasing, because energy meets our basic needs. And if you have discontent among people, the average person in the street, because they are paying more now on higher energy prices, especially if they did not really vote for that problem to happen as then you you have to think twice and think, Oh, my goodness, what shall I do? And this is, for me, the danger, because often I have seen problems caused by governments overreacting to ease pressure on prices than by the actual problem itself. So the reason why we had queues in those pictures in the 70s is not that because we suddenly did not have oil. It's just governments introduced, let's say some rationing.
Nick VinZant 8:24
How bad is it that it's happening in Iran? Could this be hap could? Would this have been worse if it was happening in another country?
Dr. Carole Nahkle 8:31
I would say yes, if the same problem would have occurred elsewhere, not let's say a war on Iran, but a war, a war, let's say on Nigeria, or a war on Venezuela would not have seen the same impact. The second part I want to say is that you're talking about Iran, and I have the feeling that many have underestimated the ability of Iran to cause so much disruption.
Nick VinZant 8:57
Do you feel like Iran's strategy is specifically just to target the price of oil, and if they can just make oil?
Dr. Carole Nahkle 9:04
Yes, definitely. I mean, they know. They know how important energy prices are for the West, for democratic governments, and for especially for those who are heading towards elections.
Nick VinZant 9:18
When you kind of look at this from an oil and gas energy perspective, compared to other events that have happened throughout recent history. Where would this kind of compare? Is this bigger, smaller? The same?
Dr. Carole Nahkle 9:30
Well, in terms of scale, it is the biggest disruption, because we have never seen disruption from the Strait of Hormuz to this level, and we did see big disruption around the Iran Iraq war in the 80s, but it was more contained in terms of impact on oil prices. No, it's actually one of the milder crises that we have seen, if want to identify the major supply shocks that have happened throughout the history of the industry, yeah.
Nick VinZant 10:00
Do you think that that impact on kind of the prices, Will that continue being less than other crises into the future? Or is that just No, that's just at the moment.
Dr. Carole Nahkle 10:15
It depends on whether we are going to see the worst case scenario. We're not in the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is not just a lasting war, a lasting conflict, lasting disruptions. For me coming from the region. The last in the worst case scenario would entail having the other countries in the region, the other major oil producers in the region, and you are talking about giants Saudi Arabia, for example, dragged into the war beyond what they we have seen so far, in a sense that they will join this war more actively. That while my that might perhaps accelerate the end of the war. But I think it will again, the damage there might become more widespread in a sense that Iran might become more aggressive in its retaliation, and it would really perhaps inflict more serious damage on the infrastructure, energy infrastructure in the region. And also there are its proxies, the Houthis and Hezbollah and Lebanon. They are, yes, much more weaker than perhaps, before, but they can still also cause trouble elsewhere.
Nick VinZant 11:31
You may have kind of touched on this already, but one of the things that I didn't understand was like, Well, why is Iran attacking other countries? I didn't understand that part of
Dr. Carole Nahkle 11:40
it, that was the question that I asked myself angrily, when the when the conflict started. But I think what they want to cause is disruption. They want to cause panic. They want to try to use the Gulf countries to as a tool to exercise pressure on on the US on Iran to end their attacks, because they say, Look, guys, we are suffering here. We have to bring this to an end. But there's also another reason, which could be not necessarily a standalone reason, but supplementing what I just said, that the fact that Iran has certain missiles short range makes those countries an easier target than, let's say, using long haul missiles. Excuse my non technical jargon. I'm not a military expert, yes, but it's an easier target to attack your neighbor than to send your missile all the way, let's say, to Tel Aviv or elsewhere.
Nick VinZant 12:38
Are you ready for some harder slash listener submitted questions
Dr. Carole Nahkle 12:42
about this. Oh, my goodness. Tell me about it.
Nick VinZant 12:45
What was your first reaction when this broke out?
Dr. Carole Nahkle 12:48
I asked why. I asked why now? Because I know that there were ongoing negotiations.
Nick VinZant 12:56
Is there a timeline you would say that? Like, okay, if this goes on for a total of three months, if it goes on for six months, like, where do you think in that timeline? This gets really
Dr. Carole Nahkle 13:05
bad whenever you sail in the fog without any clear end insight that creates volatility in the market. So and you can see it actually. When you observe the price, how it is traded every day, you can see it's going up and down, up and down, up and down. So that makes it very difficult to plan, to invest, to prepare clear budgets. Let's say for several years that said we should not lose sight of the potential impact on demand. There is what we call demand destruction. We know that demand reacts to higher prices, so the longer we remain in this high, high priced territory, the more the demand destruction is going to be visible, and that, by itself, can help in easing the pressure on prices. So it's never one card or one factor. It's a combination. It's very dynamic. But the rule of thumb today, I would say, the more disruptions we have from the region, the longer they last, the more we are likely to stay in the current price level that we are seeing.
Nick VinZant 14:05
Is there a more strategically important area in terms of oil and gas than the Strait of Hormuz?
Dr. Carole Nahkle 14:10
No in terms of capacity, that is the most important, and not only in terms of volume, but also because there is no other options. So for example, when we had the issue in the Red Sea, whether because of the attacks that we saw in the Red Sea, or when there was a big ship, was it evergreen that blocked, for example, the Suez Canal stuck there? Yeah. So it was not the end of the world, because ships could go around the, say, African continent, and then reach, let's say, the European market, etc. So it just added delays to the routes that the ships were taking, but it did not cause losses of supply. The Strait of Hormuz is really like the exit of a lake. You don't have any other option. Who benefits? Oh, my goodness, I can think of quite a few people don't realize that actually vola. Facility is fantastic business for some traders, because they make a lot of money from buying and selling. Buying and selling, you know, and they are on high buy they sell. That. I can see oil producers outside the region are benefiting a lot, even though, for example, the US is a peculiar state, because they are big consumer, but they are also big producer. So I think the American oil producers may be benefiting from windfalls, you know, higher profits, abnormal profits, because of these high prices. I would say other producers around the world are also benefiting from those prices. People who have, who run, let's say, shipping industry, the rate of renting a tanker, for example, has increased significantly. So it's never going to be a clear cut that all we only have losers because we're thinking from our perspective as consumers. I'm pretty sure there are lots of people out there that I have not mentioned that are also benefiting from what's going on in the region.
Nick VinZant 16:04
So the United States has the strategic oil preserve, or whatever the exact name of it is. Does releasing that make a difference, or is that just a drop in the bucket?
Dr. Carole Nahkle 16:15
I mean, it does definitely make a difference, and they are called strategic petroleum reserves, SPR. And the reason why we accumulate them is exactly for these kind of situations, you put oil in storage so that if there is a serious shortage in the market, you can compensate by releasing some of those and therefore ease the pressure on price. And I think if we did not have those in reserves, you would have seen probably oil prices much higher than the levels that we are seeing today. So it's not that their release is going to really bring oil prices back to 60 when the war is ongoing in the Middle East. For me, I see the importance of the sprs or the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is to put a lid or a ceiling on prices and stop them from going at much higher levels than we would have seen if we did not have those sprs. But of course, there are lots of questions that we want to know about the release. It's not like you open the tap, those barrels suddenly start flowing in the market. They may take time to hit the market, actually. And I think there were some details still missing that people want to know what kind of oil will be released, because not all oil is the same. There are different grades, different types, so there are still missing details, but at least it gives some kind of safety cushion.
Nick VinZant 17:36
How long does it kind of take once things go back to normal, to get back to normal, like, let's just say this all ends today, right? As we're done, how long would it take for everything to kind of kick back on and be normal again? I think
Dr. Carole Nahkle 17:51
we should go back to normality pretty quickly again, because this is not like we lost production or fields have been set on fire, as we saw, for example, with the Gulf War many years ago, those fields are still producing, but producers have reduced their production rate because they have run out of places to store their oil produce because they cannot export it. So while it's not going to be immediate, let's say suddenly opening the tab, because sometimes it takes some time to restart production from an existing field. You know, it's a bit technically, a little bit more challenging, but we don't have structural damage to say, oh, it's going to take a long, long time. So I would say relatively, quite quickly we can go back to normality. And that's why, if you saw last week oil prices, the second we start talking about, oh, perhaps the war is going to end very soon. We saw prices dropping to 80 from 120 to 80 suddenly. But then when people saw, Oh, my goodness, that's going to last a bit longer. Then we went back to the 100 territory
Nick VinZant 18:54
for the people who are in that region. Are they really worried about oil, or are they more looking at the political ramifications of all of this, like, I think in the United States, most people are just, oh, gosh, the price of oil, right? And then everything else filters from that. Is that the same in that region? Or is there other what's kind of the number one thing that they're concerned about?
Dr. Carole Nahkle 19:20
They are worried, yes, because of, you know, what happens next, but they are also angry because they didn't ask for what's happening at the moment, and because they have been attacked. But typically, when you think of the Middle East, you tend to think of Israel and Hamas and Lebanon, and they are fighting all the time, and there is a bit there's instability, but the Gulf region has invested a lot of time, money and effort to create this image of a safe haven, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, even Saudi Arabia later on, announcing massive projects, massive investment opportunities across the economy, AI tourism, Europe. You name it, you know, and then suddenly you have the shock happening that kind of, I don't want to be too pessimistic and too dramatic and say destroys, destroyed everything that the region has built, but has definitely changed the risk perception that you would usually allocate to the region. People who want to put more money in the region. In the future, they'd be thinking twice. People who want to move and live in the region, you know, like expats who want to go and settle in the region, they will be thinking twice. It's like, Oh, hold on a minute. We thought it was all about Lebanon and Gaza. So this is, I would say, where the anger and the frustration comes from much more than what are they worried about and whether the oil price will go up or down.
Nick VinZant 20:46
I want to thank Dr nahi so much for joining us. If you want to connect with her, we have linked to her on our social media sites. We're profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included her information in the episode description. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of the show. Do you think cereal is a
John Shull 21:09
soup? No, absolutely not.
Nick VinZant 21:13
Oh, I don't know if I would go so far as to say absolutely not. What's okay, what's the difference between chicken noodle soup and cinnamon toast crunch in a bowl.
John Shull 21:23
So here's the thing, I do think soup, or I do think cereal can become a soup, but at you know, it at its premise, at its core, cereal is not a soup. A soup is soupy.
Nick VinZant 21:38
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense, right? Like, I understand the idea that you just don't want to say that cereal is a soup, which I agree with, because I feel like cereal is not a soup, but you can't actually, like, break it down into any sort of rational argument why it is not.
John Shull 21:53
Yeah, cereal, at its core, is meant to be eaten, like with a not being soggy. As soon as it gets soggy, it's a soup.
Nick VinZant 22:03
I polled the audience about this, and everybody, including myself, overwhelmingly agrees with this. So the question was, do you think cereal is a soup? 90% of people said no. 10% said technically yes, but I just feel like it's not which is where I would sit on the poll results as well. Like, I don't think that it is, but I don't have any sort of explanation for why it's not. I don't want to get into it, but kind of like, the is a hot dog, a sandwich? Yeah, it is, but I just don't feel like it is. It is not, technically, yes, but in spirit, it is not.
John Shull 22:38
That's the other thing, technically, no, it is not a sandwich.
Nick VinZant 22:43
Yes, dog, do we not we have to talk about how you say sandwich. Oh, my God, I can hear my dog throwing up in the other room.
John Shull 22:54
That's terrible and terrifying. I'm sorry, buddy. Oh yeah, I got to clean it up on your birthday.
Nick VinZant 23:01
Clean it up. Perfect. Oh, I was wondering if you're gonna walk it in there. Okay, ask your question about my birthday. Let's get let's hear it. So we're recording this on my birthday. John is very excited about it. I personally could care less about my birthday.
John Shull 23:13
My question to you is, do you care less about birthdays as you get older, or should we really care less about birthdays when we're younger and care more about them as we grow old?
Nick VinZant 23:25
No, I think that you should care much less about them as you get older, because you kind of don't really want to acknowledge that it's your birthday and that you are getting older because your birthday no longer matches the way that you feel like I'm in my 40s. I feel like I'm still a 20 year old person. You have to care about your birthdays when you're young, because that's like the most exciting day of your whole life. Like your birthday, you look forward? Do you okay when you were a little kid, did you What did you look forward to? More your birthday or Christmas?
John Shull 23:58
Well, my father ruined Christmas at a very young age for me, so I'll say my birthday. Oh, was
Nick VinZant 24:03
this one was was it on Christmas when you walked in on him and your mother having sex? Oh, boy,
John Shull 24:08
um, was it on Christmas? No, it wasn't. I'll say my birthday, because you, you, you know, I usually had a birthday party, and that was fun as friends,
Nick VinZant 24:21
you had a birthday party? I didn't get a birthday party.
John Shull 24:23
I did I I'd say from like, seven to 12, I probably had birthday parties.
Nick VinZant 24:29
Wow, I never got a birthday party. That was like, no. Well, like, Hey, Dad, can I have a birthday party? He's like, you can have some presents here at the house, not spending any more money on it. You think I'm going to take you to, take you to, like, Sky Zone, or whatever, to jump around a trampoline? You're your damn mind. Me, mom will be here and go outside and play with a stick.
John Shull 24:50
And sounds about right? I mean, our fathers aren't too far off. But you know, my mother, fortunately, would, you know, plan something?
Nick VinZant 24:59
I. Think, I guess my mother did love me.
John Shull 25:03
Probably not, probably not. It's hard to love you. I think
Nick VinZant 25:07
I could see that. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 25:09
Was that it's
Nick VinZant 25:10
your shout out. So whatever, whatever you next, wow me.
John Shull 25:14
I'm feeling I'm feeling refreshed, I'm feeling good. You ever just wake up and you okay? You just feel good?
Nick VinZant 25:21
Not Not anymore. I mean, not at my age. No, that's why I don't really want to think about my birthday very much, because it's only going to get worse. I mean, your life, I would say, physically, you are starting to go downhill, probably after you're 27
John Shull 25:37
Oh, I did want to tell you, remember a couple weeks ago, you asked me when was the last time I had fully sprinted? Yeah, okay, okay, well, I can confirm for you that I have fully sprinted within the last three days.
Nick VinZant 25:56
What any particular reason that I'm going to be interested about, or did you just decide I'm gonna go run?
John Shull 26:02
No, by i My daughter has been riding her bike, and I've been running behind her, and she told me she could beat me to a spot, and I sprinted as fast and hard as I could for about three seconds. I beat her, but I sprinted. So there you go. I told you you wouldn't care.
Nick VinZant 26:19
Was it close, or did you beat her by a good amount?
John Shull 26:21
I wasn't really fair. It's kind of like how I would beat a buffalo from a standing stop, standing start. You know, by the by the time she got pedaling fast enough, I was already there.
Nick VinZant 26:34
Well, how far was the distance like? Do you feel like you gave her an appropriate amount of time to see if she's actually faster on a bike than you are sprinting, or did you specifically set the parameters so that she could not win?
John Shull 26:46
Yeah, it was like, I was running by her, and as I was running by her, I'm like, I'm gonna beat her to that that truck up there. So, but I just like, I had a sprinter, she would have beat me.
Nick VinZant 26:56
So, oh yeah, I've reached. My sons have reached the age where I have to try like, Oh, I got to put some effort into this, and I'm not going down this road with you turning and this is a dad podcast that you want to talk about how you play dolls or whatever it is that you do with your daughters.
John Shull 27:11
It's a never mind. We're the it doesn't matter. All right. Shout outs. Let's see hope. Herbert, I found that one in the weeds. I don't even know about her.
Nick VinZant 27:22
I like the name. You don't hear a lot of hopes. I've known a hope and a faith.
Speaker 1 27:26
Okay? What about a heaven? No.
Nick VinZant 27:30
Do you think that there are any twins out there named Deja and Vu? Yes, there has to be, right? There has? There has to be. If they're not, it's a huge missed opportunity. Let's see
John Shull 27:42
Simon Chaney Lloyd, Howard Pauline, Schaefer, Aaron Howell. Barry Sutton, I like a good Berry. I feel like there's not enough berries in the world.
Nick VinZant 27:53
Did you say? Aaron Howell, yes, okay, I was good friends growing up with a kid named Aaron Howell. And every once in a while, I'll still hear from Aaron Howell.
John Shull 28:08
Does Aaron Howell follow our social media channels?
Nick VinZant 28:12
I don't know. I don't know what Aaron Howell is doing. Like are you? Are you in touch with most of your early, early childhood friends, like the first friends that you ever had. Are you still in touch with them? Still friends with them?
John Shull 28:25
No, I have one friend from my childhood at all, actually, that I still that means one of my best friends. You met him, and we still talk about the time that you convinced him to do a shot of grand Marine, yeah, that was the guy.
Nick VinZant 28:44
Yes, good. I'm glad that I can participate in ruining his day, as well as yours, anytime that other people can have their times ruined.
John Shull 28:52
Not only did you ruin his day, but he he will not do random shots anymore because of you so
Nick VinZant 28:59
well, that's his fault. Now he can buck up a little bit, tell him to wipe his eyes and get back in the fight.
Speaker 1 29:07
Do you keep in contact with any of your childhood friends?
Nick VinZant 29:12
I only one person that I went to elementary and middle school with. Would I say that I am still in contact friends with the rest are from high school. I don't go back any farther than high school, really.
John Shull 29:26
Let's see, do you care at all about the Oscars? I realized I do not. But if you did, I we could.
Nick VinZant 29:31
No, I do not care. I don't know anything that happened. I'm just glad that that one guy who seemed like he was a jerk didn't win, the guy who was in dune seems to think that he's better than everybody else in the whole world, and he was going to win, and then he found out he didn't win, because people don't like it when you act like a jackass. That's the only thing that I cared about, as long as that guy didn't win, Timothy, something other than that I could care less at all did not even cross my mind. Mind watching it? Did you watch it?
John Shull 30:02
No, but I did look to see who won. I was happy that I thought sinners was the best movie that I, that I saw last year, and Michael B Jordan won Best Actor. So I'm like, All right, good for him. He deserves it.
Nick VinZant 30:16
I don't think that I not only did I not see or even thought of it, watching any of those movies. I did watch K Pop, demon hunters, though, that was cool. It.
John Shull 30:26
I mean, as it should have, it won, like Best Animated Feature. So, oh yeah, had to. There's a good movie. Great soundtrack, okay, all right. Well, did you know, I know you don't care, so just play along that. There is a new Ozzy Osbourne, Isn't he dead? He is, however, his son, Jack, and his and Jack's wife had a daughter over, uh, over the weekend, or, actually, 10 days ago.
Nick VinZant 30:54
Oh, I thought you meant like there was going to be a new thing coming out. They just named their son off. They named their son Ozzy. No, they
John Shull 31:01
named their daughter Ozzy. Ozzy Matilda, which is a little strange to me that you would name a girl Ozzie. But once again, a lot of weird things out there.
Nick VinZant 31:15
I mean, that's all right, it's there's a lot that's worse. I'm not going to make fun of somebody who's going to be maybe grieving their loss of their parent and decided to name their child after it like you are not going to be so crass as to do something like that, but if you want that's the road that you want to go down. Go for it,
John Shull 31:30
man, stand on that hill. Would you rather go? I don't know why I decided to input me into this question, but I figured it'd be okay. Okay, would you rather so? Would you rather go to space by an aircraft that I built, or go to the bottom of an of the ocean and a submersible that I built?
Nick VinZant 31:54
Oh, probably space, because definitely the thing that you built could sink and kill me. But I think if we're trying to go to space and the thing that you built, it might not ever get off the ground. So that's the safer of the two options.
John Shull 32:08
You're right. That's a great way to look at it, because you're gonna sink regardless of whatever I build. The aircraft doesn't necessarily have to ever launch, right?
Nick VinZant 32:18
So exactly, that's why I would think about it. So I think that's actually a pretty easy choice to make.
John Shull 32:24
Um, I want to talk about the weather, just because I think everyone's talking about the weather. Everybody about how I don't think anybody is about how uncharacteristic the weather is in the Midwest right now. We had tornadoes in Michigan, like, three days into March. That's unheard of, like an f3 tornado.
Nick VinZant 32:51
Yeah, it's climate change. We're all fucked like, this is how it's gonna work now, right? And remember when people get skeptical about it, right? Like, okay, but this is just the beginning. Just remember, this is just the beginning. And that's just a huge difficulty that we as human species have, is that we're not worried about a problem until it's really too late to
John Shull 33:11
fix it. We don't talk politics here, but I feel like I have to say this, because I was watching Robert F Kennedy Jr talk the other day, and I was like, oh, once again, for all of you out there, whether you lean right or left, like, Can we all agree? Like, what the hell are we doing? Like, this guy is the head, like, he's a he's not our top doctor, but like, he's leading, like, the health department America, like, right?
Nick VinZant 33:40
Well, I think that what is happening, in some cases, is kind of like your love for Detroit, and that some people are supporting things simply because they're so crappy that they feel like they have to, right, like you love Detroit, even though it's one of the worst cities in America, and you won't listen to any Detroit slander because you just want to love Detroit. That's your thing. You got to push it forward. And so other people are going to like people like Robert F Kennedy Jr, because he's so terrible and unqualified that they're just gonna be like, No, he's not. I love him even more. Now you don't like him, therefore I love him. You don't think he's completely qualified in any way, therefore I think he's the perfect person, right? It's like you in Detroit, I will say, is it, statistically by any category, a good city, no, let me, but you love it more for that.
John Shull 34:24
So they released the pot, like the population updates or whatever. And I was shocked that Detroit, I think, fell to 26 that's not even a major city. Like it isn't.
Nick VinZant 34:36
Oh yeah. Everybody already knew this. Everybody else already knew it.
John Shull 34:39
Hold on before you, like, make fun of me. I was gonna give you a little credit, because I think Seattle is like, eighth or ninth, like, Well done. Well done.
Nick VinZant 34:50
Oh yes, you can make an argument. And some people have, you can make an argument that Seattle is the fourth major city in
John Shull 34:57
the United that's not that's absurd, that. Nowhere near accurate. I would say, See, now you're getting me hot. There's I would I would say, go
Nick VinZant 35:05
ahead and get hot, because I'm not bringing opinions. I'm not bringing opinions. I just bring facts. No. So go ahead and say what you think, and I'll tell you what I know.
John Shull 35:14
You just gave an opinion. Why? Why would you think you Okay? Let me ask, before we even go down this path, you don't actually think Seattle is like the fourth largest city in America, right?
Nick VinZant 35:26
Not the fourth largest the fourth major. There's a
John Shull 35:29
difference, sure, but yeah, fine, fourth major. You can't possibly believe that.
Nick VinZant 35:35
I think that you can make an argument for it, because you can look at these, okay, economic output, Amazon, Microsoft, major companies. You have a major port, and it's on the coast. So what other city are you going to say? No, that's the fourth major city in the United States.
John Shull 35:56
Okay, so let's get this out of the way here. So, Chicago, New York, LA, right? Three biggest,
Nick VinZant 36:03
yeah, that's the easy that's the easy three. Now, I think, though, where you get debate about it is what's the fourth? And you could put a number of different cities in there as what's the fourth major city in the United States.
John Shull 36:15
I mean, I would say, you know, Miami, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston,
Nick VinZant 36:21
but they don't have the economic drive that Seattle does. I don't know. I don't know about they're not culturally well, okay, so what has been, from an economic and a cultural standpoint, more influential than Amazon or computers?
John Shull 36:35
First off, you're forgetting the reason why people even care about Seattle. What's that?
Nick VinZant 36:41
Starbucks again? There you go. So think about the cultural impact of cities on the United States over the last, let's say, 30 to 40 years. What's going to be bigger than coffee Amazon and computers? If you really, like, think about this and start to break it down, I would actually make it the true if I was arguing this with somebody in a legitimate fashion, I would say San Francisco is probably the fourth major city.
Speaker 1 37:12
I mean, I would probably say Miami,
Nick VinZant 37:15
but you can't say Miami because it doesn't have like, the cultural or the economic input that a place like Seattle or San Francisco does. There's no major big companies coming out of Miami in the same way that you have coming out of the San Francisco and the Seattle area. Hold on, but not recently.
Speaker 1 37:32
Let's see. Go ahead and
Nick VinZant 37:34
Google it. I'm sorry. I come prepared with facts. You come prepared with opinions based on cookies or whatever it
John Shull 37:42
is, just so, you know, cookies are, cookies are fantastic. I do love Burger King is in Miami. You're welcome. Okay?
Nick VinZant 37:51
So that is not another new company in the last 30 or 40 years that is not changing the cultural conversation of the United States. I don't i You can't argue. You have like, can you just admit that you have absolutely no facts?
John Shull 38:07
I haven't done the research on this. I can tell you there's three companies, and yes, they are major companies, but I would not say Seattle is the fourth largest or most influential area in the country. I just wouldn't then name me the one that's bigger. I mean, you said it yourself. I'd have to look at San Francisco and see what they're you know, San Diego, like, calm get,
Nick VinZant 38:37
can we get somebody who in here, who knows what they're talking about? I you probably don't even know. You probably don't even know where San Diego is. San Diego are you saying that was Grand Rapids? Big is Grand Rapids?
Speaker 1 38:50
A big deal? Oh boy, yeah, here we go. Anyways. Well, see, this is what I mean, though.
Nick VinZant 38:55
But you have such a love of Detroit that you're going to defend Detroit without actually taking an objective look at the fact that Seattle is in the conversation this or the fourth for the being a fourth major
John Shull 39:05
city in the United States. No, you're, you know, I said it. I think it's, you can look at it. I also said this whole conversation started because I said I was shocked that Detroit had fallen so far in population.
Nick VinZant 39:20
Oh, yeah, everybody, but everybody knows right? Like everybody knows this. No, maybe it'll come back someday. You know what? We can all agree on. What's that you're not a champion, right? There's another reason that Seattle is a culturally relevant city, winning sports championships, which is something that Seattle does makes it relevant.
John Shull 39:41
Technically, we're all champions, okay, we beat Canadian, okay?
Nick VinZant 39:47
Canada, yeah, Canadian, I don't pay any attention to that. Like, you know, my theory about, like, beating other countries in sports, like, we should, okay, yeah, we should. Yeah.
John Shull 40:00
I mean, we should, we don't often. No, I Okay. I'm gonna go on a limb. I'm gonna say Houston is my number four, just but we'll end it there.
Nick VinZant 40:11
So I would, I think that there's cities that you can have in that conversation, Seattle, San Francisco, Houston, Dallas, Boston, Philadelphia. I think you could have some sort of conversation around those cities being the fourth major city in the United States.
John Shull 40:35
Let's put Baltimore on there. DC.
Nick VinZant 40:38
Baltimore is not DC is not well, I mean, DC, really, if you take DC out, that's kind of really cheating.
John Shull 40:45
I'm kidding. Those are all old school cities for the most part.
Nick VinZant 40:49
Like, oh yeah, man, the news on, everybody's on the new on the come up, right?
John Shull 40:54
All right. That took up way too much time. Um, so I'm just trying a couple of questions, but I'm trying to figure out which one you may actually care about. Actually care about. What do you think of electric bicycles?
Nick VinZant 41:10
I'm against electric bicycles, but I love electric scooters. I think my electric scooter, which I love so much that I bought another one, and I'm possibly going to buy two more electric scooters for a total of four electric scooters in one household. I think it's the greatest mode of transportation that I've ever, ever been a part of. I cannot speak highly of the electric scooters. It is all the convenience of a car with all the convenience of walking, because I can hop on my electric scooter and I can ride it right up on the sidewalk. I can ride it in the street. I can ride it right into the Grand grocery store. I live a 10 minute walk round trip from a grocery store, and I can be to the grocery store and back on my electric scooter in three minutes and 47 seconds with a purchase three minutes and 47 seconds. Ask me other things about my electric scooter and how amazing it is now quickly that I can move around. It's the greatest form of transportation we've ever admitted now, an electric scooter, I would argue, is better than an electric bike, because it makes you feel a little bit cooler, right, like you're doing something a little bit more adventurous. You're not just sitting down on this bicycle, but an electric bike would probably be your number two. I think they're fantastic. I think that's the way we should all should be traveling.
John Shull 42:19
Okay? The only thing I got out of that was you no longer reserve the right to ever make fun of me about anything. Old Man wise.
Nick VinZant 42:31
What's old man about an electric scooter? Everything you know what an electric scooter is. You're not thinking you're thinking of a hover round. That's not an electric scooter. No, I was talking about a scooter where I'm standing up on that bad boy.
John Shull 42:44
I'm not. I'm just, I'm not hating on electric scooters, Vespas, anything like that. But for you to say that when all you do is make fun of me for my old man tendencies, I feel like that's
Nick VinZant 42:57
but that's not an old man tendency. Like you're so far out of the you're so far, you're so old that you don't even know what's cool and hip now. Yeah, you don't even know that. Things have come back around. Everybody's got an electric scooter. It's the greatest mode of transportation ever.
John Shull 43:12
Well, I'm gonna be merch it. I'm gonna be in the market, so I'm maybe I'll look at what were
Nick VinZant 43:17
you gonna buy one well, let me know, because I'll tell you all the positives and negatives. Well, you think you know about candles? Well, wait till you see how much I know about electric scooters.
John Shull 43:26
But we'll see. I definitely am. Yeah, yeah, we'll see.
Nick VinZant 43:31
All right, you should get one sell the car and get one sell both cars. Just take the whole family around an electric scooter in a wagon. You can just tie a wagon to the back. You got all your stuff.
John Shull 43:40
Man, I just bought a van, so I don't think I'm gonna be selling that, but my lease is up in a month, so I'm thinking about, maybe I'm considering it. Maybe we'll see. I'll let you know.
Nick VinZant 43:50
You should do it. You should do it. You probably now, listen, yeah, I don't know if you're man enough for an electric scooter. You're probably gonna have to get a bike. I don't know, standing up and doing this. It's not safe for me. I went to REI wear a helmet
John Shull 44:03
to look at bikes. And I was like, Yeah, Rei is not the place I should have went to for bikes fucking
Nick VinZant 44:09
Oh, but that's okay. So listen, you're just you're Yeah, but sometimes you buy something that's worth it. I will say this, I bought an expensive mountain bike after having cheap, $100 huffies. My entire life, an expensive mountain bike is not a bike, it's a machine. There's a difference. There's a massive difference between an expensive mountain bike and $100
John Shull 44:31
mountain I don't need a mountain bike. I just want a bike to get around town, right? I need a city bike. I don't need a mountain bike scooter. Man, mine was $499
Nick VinZant 44:40
I love that thing. I put 400 miles on it. Okay? I love it. You ride it around. You can it's transportation. It's fun, it's everything.
John Shull 44:52
God, you need to take a selfie on that thing and send it to me, please.
Nick VinZant 44:56
I can't, because there's no camera that can capture how fast that I'm going. Okay, that's fantastic. I floor that sucker going down a hill, take a turn full speed, not even a blink in an eye.
John Shull 45:10
I bet you do all at eight miles an hour.
Nick VinZant 45:13
First of all, I've gotten it up to 37 what don't like? I love my electric scooter. Man, it's amazing. Say the greatest thing, honestly, the best purchase I've ever had.
John Shull 45:24
Say that thing's fully charged up and you're, you're cruising, what, what's, what's top speed 40
Nick VinZant 45:32
top speed is, well, so top speed is 25 okay, but if you're going down a hill, you can get that sucker up to 37 I've clocked it on 37 on my seven on my app, you have an app, oh, yeah, why wouldn't I have an app? Yeah, cuz you can change. And you have to, actually, you can use the map app because you can adjust and put on cruise control. And I went on a long ride family and I, we went all the way downtown, seven miles long ride. Put that sucker. Put that sucker because Seattle, again, probably in the, really in the top argument for the fourth major city in the United States has a very well built infrastructure for Seattle, for bicycles and scooters, and I can take it pretty much anywhere. I can get faster. I can get around faster on my electric scooter, and you can get
Speaker 1 46:26
around in a car. I just picture,
Nick VinZant 46:29
not even a race, not even a race. My wife has dropped off the kids. I've met them there at like, various functions. You want to race me back home? Nope, you don't, because I'm going to dust you by about five minutes.
Speaker 1 46:42
Brian, that's that's just move on.
Nick VinZant 46:47
Do you want to know the names of my electric scooters?
John Shull 46:49
Of course, you name them. I know I can't get my camera to focus on my face because I'm laughing so hard.
Nick VinZant 46:56
So we have one that is named Speedy Gonzalez. It's the accelerated model doesn't have shocks. I would get shocks. If you get an electric scooter, I would make sure they have some sort of suspension on them. It can be a little bit of a bumpy ride at times. That one is named Speedy Gonzales. And then I have one that does have a suspension,
Speaker 1 47:17
named Billy Powell. You probably don't. You know who Billy Powell is? I don't know. Do you want to explain to the class Billy Powell,
Nick VinZant 47:23
he is the pianist for Leonard Skinner, it's
Nick VinZant 47:32
amazing. I love it. I love it. Why can't keep me from my electric scooter? I had a choice between one of my children and Mike the electric scooters, I would obviously choose my children, but I think I'd miss that electric
Speaker 1 47:43
scooter. You're a big Skinner fan over there.
Nick VinZant 47:48
Well, I'm big fan of being indulging in certain things that Washington legally allows. And listen to Linden Skinner, yeah, and so are my two sons. We sit there and watch little Skinner. So we decided to name the scooter. Billy Powell,
Speaker 1 47:59
okay, all right. Billy Powell, perfect man.
Nick VinZant 48:04
We're gonna get a third one. It's gonna be named APA Alpha avatar.
Speaker 1 48:09
I also don't know what that is or who they're
Nick VinZant 48:12
not a man of culture. You're not a man of culture. If you were a man of culture who is a worldly man, you would know that one Seattle is probably a front runner for fourth major city in the United States, and he would know about things like Opa, yeah.
John Shull 48:27
Man, got there. God bless, God bless Billy Powell and oppa. Oprah, whatever her name is, Oppa.
Speaker 1 48:34
Oppa, thank you. I needed that laugh. That was Oh, man. I hope ever, oh,
Nick VinZant 48:41
you laugh, but I'm over there just putting them up. You're picking them up
Speaker 1 48:45
and putting her down, 12 miles an hour, getting it down right.
Nick VinZant 48:49
They won't even let me, you know what? They won't even let me drive on certain cities. They won't even let me go down certain streets. Because if I do, all the women on that street end up pregnant just from seeing me, and they're like, sir, you can't go down this street anymore. Yeah, we see you. We just instantly pregnant.
John Shull 49:08
I definitely could. Could see that happening, no doubt.
Nick VinZant 49:11
Oh, yeah, it's so fun. I love it. Oh, get you an electric scooter, man. Once you, once you, once you, once you do it, you can't go back. All right,
John Shull 49:20
I'll let I'll let you know. Maybe I'll nickname mine. Johnny VinZant, okay, I will, I will, I will. All right, let's move on. Let's talk about sand wedges. Oh, you want to do you ready? Wait, say it again.
Nick VinZant 49:40
Sandwich. Sandwich. Do you want to talk sandwich? Let's talk about sandwiches, not golf clubs. That sounds fair. So top five is top five sandwiches. Sandwich to number five sandwich.
John Shull 49:56
I do hate you. My number five is the room.
Nick VinZant 50:00
Bit. Okay, all right. I mean, I guess I'm not gonna order it, but I won't. It's not a top five worthy sandwich in any way.
John Shull 50:14
It's not, if you were to put the most classic sandwiches on a on a board, it's on there and it's delicious.
Nick VinZant 50:23
Yeah, I mean, it's on there on the other board. That's not classic sandwiches. There's like the classic sandwiches board, and then there's other sandwiches. It's not on the classics, the Reuben No, it's not. Nobody has corned beef just sitting around. I like it. It's good, but it's not like a classic sandwich. What's your number five? My number five is the club sandwich. Okay? Club Sandwich, I think, is the most classic basic sandwich.
John Shull 50:51
It definitely like, if this was pop culture, definitely would be like the basic, you know, the basic B, right? Like, that's definitely what it would Yeah.
Nick VinZant 51:02
Did you club sandwich? Like, Okay, sounds good. Nobody's gonna have a problem with you getting a club sandwich. If you have to go and get sandwiches, everybody's gonna be like, Well, did you get some clubs like, Oh, I'll take the club sandwich. Yeah.
John Shull 51:13
So that that's out of my honor mention, because I actually put this in there as my number four instead of that, because I felt that this is the most basic sandwich, and it's just bologna and cheese.
Nick VinZant 51:28
Oh, I don't know if I've honestly ever had a bologna sandwich.
John Shull 51:32
That's how you know you're not for right there.
Nick VinZant 51:36
Oh, no, I've just had other cheap meats. I've just never had specifically bologna.
John Shull 51:41
I will say I was in college when somebody showed me that fried bologna is so much better than actual Bologna, but
Nick VinZant 51:53
I would just eat plain bread, like, when I was low down in college, I would just eat, like, bread sandwich. I'm not even messing with the balloon, like, I don't really want bologna. It's maybe it takes preference for my mustard sandwich.
Speaker 1 52:07
No mustard. Yeah, what's your number four and mustard?
Nick VinZant 52:10
I actually don't have anything in number four. I left four blank.
John Shull 52:16
Oh, there's, I mean, there's a million, there's all kinds of opportunities.
Nick VinZant 52:20
There wasn't anything that I was really sold on. There wasn't anything that I felt like a number four like this fit a number four. And I'm not just going to pick anything willy nilly. I take I treat these top five lists with the utmost respect. If I don't have a good answer, I'm not going to give you one. I'm not just going to throw something in there like a Reuben.
Speaker 1 52:39
Rubens are delicious. You said so yourself.
Nick VinZant 52:43
Oh, they're good. I'm not gonna go so far as to say they're delicious. I'm gonna say that was good, all right. Well, say that was delicious. I guess I would probably put a BLT in there, honestly.
John Shull 52:53
Okay, that's, that was, that's, I was, my other honorable mention was a BLT. It's good. It's fine, too. Basic. Like not not not enough.
Nick VinZant 53:03
I'm sorry you don't like the simple things. It's such a snob.
John Shull 53:09
My number three is, I mean, I put Philly cheese steak, but really, like any kind of cheese steak sandwich, it's delicious.
Nick VinZant 53:18
Okay, I felt like Philly cheese steak would make a list at some point. I think it's a little bit of a default, like, people just put it in there because, like, Oh, I've heard of a Philly Cheesesteak. Throw that in there. But I don't think that. I think people talk up the Philly cheesesteak more than they like the Philly Cheesesteak.
Speaker 1 53:34
I don't know, man, I tell you what.
Nick VinZant 53:40
My number three is a Cuban,
John Shull 53:42
okay, Cuban Rubin, like they're all the same. To me, they're not. The fact that you're
Nick VinZant 53:48
putting those, the fact that you're putting them the same, it makes me question your sandwich knowledge. Makes me question if you're a true foodie, I don't think you are.
John Shull 53:56
Well, I mean, number one, I think, is unanimous, but my number two is, is what's gonna set me apart from you? Okay, my number two is any kind of cold cut sandwich. Okay.
Nick VinZant 54:13
I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and argue with it necessarily. I think that the club sandwich kind of sums up that position, and that you don't have to go into specifics. Think the club sandwich I would rather have than any kind of cold cut. Like, do you want Turkey? Do you want ham? Do you want roast beef? Why not put it all together in the club sandwich?
John Shull 54:31
Man, Give me. Give me some of those Italian meats, like prosciutto, salami. Oh, tell you what.
Nick VinZant 54:42
My number two is grilled cheese.
John Shull 54:44
Okay, I left off a grilled cheese. I don't actually like grilled cheese sandwiches.
Nick VinZant 54:49
Oh, you don't like America
Speaker 1 54:54
has to do with anything America's what, everything you.
Nick VinZant 55:00
Grilled cheese. Yeah, America,
John Shull 55:03
I don't. I mean, if I'm gonna, like, I've always thought if I'm gonna do that, like, I need to add bacon, or I need to add, like, you know, a chicken breast. Like, I just can't eat, just cheese and bread.
Nick VinZant 55:15
You're always trying to do too much. You don't enjoy the simple things in life enough, right? Yeah, this is the same problem that you're talking about when we had this discussion about the scooter. You want to have this fancy car with all these little doodads? Not me, man, I just wanted something to be free. Never said. I just want to hop on my little thing and go. You want all these things. You want somebody to wipe your little baby bottom, all the bells and whistles. Not me, man, I just need two wheels, a little motor, and I'm good to go. I'm a simple man.
John Shull 55:44
There you go. Nice reference. I'm just a simple man. Skinner would be proud.
Nick VinZant 55:49
Seth, oh, that is it. Leonard Skinner, like, I'm just a simple man. Jesus, you have to ask, like, what I like, skinnered, I just
Speaker 1 55:56
want to make sure you do horse. I know.
Nick VinZant 55:59
All right, probably like, it's not indie pop.
John Shull 56:03
Our number one is unanimous, right?
Nick VinZant 56:07
Maybe I don't know what you're gonna pick. It's prosciutto on rye. Probably something snobby,
John Shull 56:14
peanut butter and jelly. Peanut butter and jelly is the best sandwich, though, I will say I think you could make an argument though there, they weren't on my top five, but if you were going classic, most well known sandwiches, BLT and grilled cheese, I think you could probably put it number one. They're not the best, but for like being known,
Nick VinZant 56:39
I don't think so. I think the peanut butter. I think peanut peanut butter and jelly is the most well known sandwich, then grilled cheese, then BLT. Actually, no, if you're talking about the most well known sandwiches, I would say peanut butter and jelly, grilled cheese, Beat Club and BLT would be pretty close. I think, I don't think you can count like ham and like ham and Turkey and stuff like that, like that. That's too simple. I think it's the sandwich itself.
John Shull 57:08
Think you're not giving BLT enough credit in that regards, but that's my opinion on that.
Nick VinZant 57:14
Yeah, I think it would be close between the BLT and the club.
John Shull 57:19
It would be probably, but I feel like, BLT edges it. I think Club's not as popular as we think. But what do I know? I left it off my list.
Nick VinZant 57:26
You got to be a simple you got to be a simpler. Man. You try to complicate everything too much. Just enjoy the simple things in life. Just enjoy the simple things. Take it easy.
John Shull 57:35
That's what I'm trying to do. Man, just take her easy.
Nick VinZant 57:39
You're fighting in traffic with your brand new minivan that you got, and I'm just cruising along on my scooter, just passing you right by while you sit in traffic just getting angry. Honk, honk, honk, and there you see me just flowing by.
Speaker 1 57:54
Hey, Dad, can you put it in the fifth gear? Word gear. We're going 17 miles an hour.
Nick VinZant 58:03
You know, scooters don't have
John Shull 58:05
gears. Well, yeah, yeah, it's electric. I guess, yes,
Nick VinZant 58:07
you don't have to get there fast when you're just enjoying the ride. That's what you're missing out on.
John Shull 58:12
That's well, that, you know what? That is, a quote I'm gonna live by from now on. You don't have
Nick VinZant 58:17
to, right? Don't go fast. Just enjoy the ride. Just enjoy the ride. Do you have anything in your honorable mention? Probably some snob crap. No.
John Shull 58:26
I mean, I you, I mentioned to them already, and then I just put on, like, a chicken sandwich, really, but like, chicken avocado, bacon, chipotle mayo.
Nick VinZant 58:38
Does everybody up there say sandwich like you say it, or is it just, is it a you thing, or is it the geography thing?
John Shull 58:46
I am sure that I am probably weird, but I also don't know, because I don't, don't talk to people about sandwiches a lot. So it's not about talking,
Nick VinZant 58:58
hey man, it's not. I'm just dropping knowledge on dropping life advice on you, on your trying to make fun of me about my scooter. I love my scooter. No, it's because I'm older and wiser. I'm older and wiser today. Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate. It really helps us out. Let us know what you think is the best sandwich, and really consider getting an electric scooter you.
