With winds of over 300 miles per hour, Tornadoes are a incredibly destructive force of nature. But what causes them, why can’t we predict them and will climate change make them worse? Tornado Researchers Dr. Jana Houser and Dr. Paul Markowski are trying to answer these questions and more. We talk what causes tornadoes, why they only happens in certain areas and the craziest thing they’ve seen a tornado do. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Things Embarrassing Things We Do.
Dr. Jana Houser and Dr. Paul Markowski: 01:12
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Top 5 Embarrassing Things We Do: 47:15
Interview with Tornado Researchers Dr. Jana Houser and Dr. Paul Markowski
Speaker 1 0:11
Nick, welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant Coming up in this episode tornados and embarrassing things,
Dr. Paul Markowski 0:21
you essentially have something that's totally unpredictable.
Dr. Jana Houser 0:24
There are certain river valleys that are known to change the winds in a manner that actually creates tornadoes more efficiently.
Dr. Paul Markowski 0:33
I mean, when you're talking about winds that are typically only seen on planets not named Earth, like Venus, for example, you might expect that you're gonna have outcomes that are equally surprising.
Speaker 1 0:48
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it. It really helps us out. So I want to get right to our first guests, because growing up as a kid in Kansas, I was fascinated by tornadoes. This is tornado researchers, Dr Jana Hauser and Dr Paul Markowski. So how is a tornado formed?
Dr. Jana Houser 1:14
That's a really good question, and we don't actually know all of the gory details, but in principle, what happens is we have rotation that gets developed at the ground, and then we have a thunderstorm that's kind of overhead of that ground based rotation. And what happens is the rotation that's below is sucked into the middle and pulled upward, very similar to an ice skater as she pulls her arms in she spins faster. The same principle applies to a tornado. Now, some questions surrounding that is like, where does that ground based rotation come from in the first place? Why is it only there sometimes? And those are things that we're answering right now. We're hoping to answer.
Speaker 2 1:50
Why has it been difficult to figure that out? It's really difficult
Dr. Jana Houser 1:55
to actually get measurements of ground based rotation because we don't have instruments that are capable of observing them in a continuous manner. And the second problem is that we just don't know when and where this rotation is going to develop in the first place, because it's not always present. So trying to set up instruments that are in the right place at the right time, and in a way that we have enough instruments to spatially cover an area has essentially proven to be logistically impossible to this point, when
Speaker 1 2:23
you kind of look at the start of a tornado, is it something that would start at a point like, say, the tip of my finger, and then get bigger? Or is it like, how big is the beginning of the tornado?
Dr. Paul Markowski 2:35
Oh, that is a really good question. It would typically be broader, actually broader than the visible, intense column of rotation that defines the tornado. So it's typically broad, and then the spin increases as the scale contracts to something very narrow. So
Speaker 2 2:59
when like the ground based rotation, if I understand this correct, so like, the tornado doesn't start rotating at the top and then go down to the ground. It starts at the ground and then goes up. Yeah,
Dr. Jana Houser 3:09
that's correct. So it's actually a misnomer, like our eyes queue into the funnel cloud, and obviously the funnel cloud develops in the sky and then works its way down. But in order to actually have a full fledged tornado, you need to have that ground based rotation present in the first place. So oftentimes, what we end up seeing happen is we see that rotation start to organize at the ground and then intensifies in the storm above, and that intensification in the storm above at the same time as that intensification of the ground based rotation essentially works together to kind of complete, almost like a rotational circuit, if you would.
Speaker 2 3:41
Why does it seem to be only in certain places, only at certain times? If you
Dr. Paul Markowski 3:47
look at a world map of I don't know if this can be found on the internet easily, but somewhere, you can probably find a map that shows the distribution of tornadoes worldwide, and what lights up flashing red is the so called Tornado Alley of the United States, roughly from Texas north where up to the Dakotas and eastward to roughly the Mississippi River. There's also an extension that extends east of the Mississippi, you know, the southeastern United States.
Dr. Jana Houser 4:17
And that has to do with a physical, geographic configuration of that part of the country. We have a warm, moist source for air coming up from the Gulf of Mexico. We have elevated terrain towards the West that includes both the Colorado Rockies. So we get low pressure systems developing on the eastern side of those Colorado Rockies, which promote southerly winds, which suck up that warm, moist air from the Gulf of Mexico. And then further to the southwest, we have a geographic feature called the Mexican plateau, which affects or moves air from the southwest towards the northeast, which, trajectory wise, takes it up over the Central Plains area, and that contributes to the formation of a feature known as the dry line. And the dry line is a known source for forming storms in the first place, and then that. Air also actually contributes to a stable layer immediately above the ground, which allows for the surface conditions to become really juicy and moist and wet and warm, and eventually, once it gets warm enough, we can have explosive thunderstorm development. So without that stable layer above, we would see more modest kind of trickling of intermediate type thunderstorms. When we look at specific locations, like a specific town or a specific area near a mountain, for example, we do know that in some cases, depending on the overall larger scale environment, we can locally contribute to environments that are more favorable for tornado formation because of specific geographic features that exist at an exact location. So for example, there are certain river valleys that are known to change the winds in a manner that actually creates tornadoes more efficiently than if those river valleys weren't there. For example, similarly, there's some terrain features, for example, in Alabama, where we tend to see enhanced tornado formation on one side or the other side of a topographic feature. And again, we relate that to local modification, primarily of wind direction and wind speed, that for basically a short time frame as a storm is passing over, it locally enhances the environmental conditions, and essentially tips the scale toward a scenario that's more favorable for tornadoes than if that terrain feature weren't there in the first place. When
Speaker 2 6:29
you talk about like, terrain features, right? Like, the first thing, are we talking about, like, Okay, we built this row of houses in a way that funnels the wind? Are we talking about like golf courses, or like, we've tunneled into the side of a mountain, or something like, What do you mean by like topographical features? So
Dr. Jana Houser 6:45
I basically mean kind of the natural features in the land, so hills and valleys and to a degree, some smaller mountains. And now, if you have a really large mountain, typically, that's not going to be favorable for a tornado to survive. It's not going to be able to go up and over. But certain smaller scale hills and escarpments or valleys are known to locally modify the direction and speed of winds in that sense. So
Speaker 2 7:09
it's now like Steve built a house at the end of a cul de sac, and now we've got tornadoes here. Didn't build it the way everybody else did. That's
Dr. Jana Houser 7:17
right, although, with that in mind, I am participating in some work with a civil engineer where we're looking at how individual houses and buildings modify tornadoes as tornadoes are approaching them, and then similarly, like if you were to destroy those buildings by the tornado, how does that then impact the tornado as it moves on further in its life? So there are actual physical effects that are associated with individual buildings too, but it's not gonna probably make the difference of whether or not a tornado forms in the first place. But when you get a bunch of buildings together in certain block, like construction configurations, it may end up actually affecting the tornado, either for good or for bad.
Speaker 2 7:55
We could have, like, tornado proof buildings or like, hey, build this thing here and it's going to stop the tornado, or deflected or
Dr. Jana Houser 8:03
something like that, possibly in the future. You know, just
Speaker 2 8:06
to kind of reiterate, it's not the weather, it's the weather and that specific geographical feature of the land,
Unknown Speaker 8:14
that's generally correct, yes. So, like,
Speaker 2 8:17
when you think about a tornado, like, okay, it's spinning, but like, what's happening inside of the tornado?
Dr. Paul Markowski 8:24
Inside the tornado there's, there's typically sinking air, actually down to a point it's, you know, technically, you could find a singular point and there where the wind is calm. I mean, we we talk about the eye of the hurricane, how it's this relative calm surrounded by hell on earth, a violent wind surrounding the eye, which, that's the eye wall of the hurricane. Technically, technically, a tornado has an eye as well. It's just that it's so tiny that you there's very small chance you'd actually ever find it, and even if you did happen to pass through it. You're talking about a second or less when it would be relative calm in there, you wouldn't remember it as being a calm event. So along the outskirts of the tornado, violent winds you've got, it's not even so much the wind that is as dangerous as the stuff that's embedded in the wind, two by fours, large pieces of debris, automobiles can be embedded in the tornado flow. You're talking about massive impact, obviously. So one other thing I would say that's often lost. This is not just the rotational part of the wind in a tornado that's violent. There's a violent updraft as well. So you can have 100 mile per hour winds going around the tornado, but the up component can also be 100 miles an hour at, say, not that far off of rooftop height. But when you when you hear stories about really heavy debris, like cars or automobiles, railroad cars, though being jettisoned that stuff, I think can really only happen if the heavy stuff is also embedded in air that has a very strong upward component.
Speaker 1 10:20
In the upward component, that's part of what I would consider to be the tornado, or is that in front of the tornado? Or, like, where's the upwards
Dr. Paul Markowski 10:28
that's right on the edge of the tornado. Sometimes, in tornado video, you can see that stuff on the edges going up pretty violently. It would be right on the edge of the visible funnel. Typically. Can
Nick VinZant 10:38
we predict them?
Dr. Jana Houser 10:40
We cannot predict tornadoes with very good accuracy. We can predict the I guess I should say, we can predict and acknowledge environments that are favorable for tornado formation,
Dr. Paul Markowski 10:56
even two, three days in advance. We sometimes can say, hey, central Kansas three days from now. If there's going to be action, that's where it's going to be. But when we get down to say t minus 30 minutes and storms start popping up on radar, we have essentially no ability to say, okay, Storm number one is going to make a tornado 17 minutes from now, and that tornado will last five minutes. Storm number two won't make a tornado, but storm number three is going to make an even more intense tornado, but starting in 32 minutes, we're never going to be able to have that level of specificity. And it's precisely because when you try to start determining things on a point by point basis, you really lose predictability horizon. And that's ultimately because of what's known broadly as the fancy term is non linearity of the math, non linearity of of the physics. But the physics are governed by by mathematics. Ultimately, or at least math is kind of language we use to try to explain the physics. I think for me, a great analogy is the Plinko game on prices, right? Ever watch Plinko?
Speaker 2 12:05
Yeah, yeah. No. You drop the thing. It bounces back and forth.
Dr. Paul Markowski 12:09
You drop the thing, it bounces around. If you move where you drop the Plinko chip by a millimeter up at the top. Where do you how do you think the outcome is going to be affected? It's not going to be affected by a millimeter at the bottom, or it might be, but that would be just luck. You could move it a millimeter at the top and it could end up a foot. You essentially have something that's totally unpredictable. It's the same thing happening naturally when it comes to the atmosphere. We're really big at describe, really good at describing the big picture. But then as you go to smaller and smaller scales, it's like you're hitting different little pegs along the way. And if you're trying to predict exactly where that disc is going to end up, that's kind of analogous to predicting exactly which storm at which particular time the event is going to happen, where's that tornado going to hit, and exactly how intense is it going to be? No chance. That's like predicting where that planko Chip is going to end up based on something that happened 10 seconds earlier in terms of where you dropped it on top. No chance. Good luck.
Speaker 2 13:12
Do you think, though, could there be something that we find one day that would allow us to predict them like, Oh, if we find this, then we can do it.
Dr. Paul Markowski 13:21
I don't think so. They're always going to be these intrinsic limits to this, to how specific you can make the prediction.
Speaker 2 13:32
Are you ready for some harder slash risk listener submitted questions.
Unknown Speaker 13:38
Always bring it. What is
Nick VinZant 13:39
the biggest tornado myth.
Dr. Jana Houser 13:41
There's a couple myths that I could talk about, but I would say the biggest one that comes to my mind is that tornadoes form from the top down.
Nick VinZant 13:47
What are some of the other ones? So
Dr. Jana Houser 13:49
some of the others are that tornadoes don't hit big cities. That is not true, so tornadoes absolutely can hit big cities. The difference, or the tricky part there is that big cities tend to not actually be that big in the context of their footprint. So given the whole amount of vast space that we have in the US, cities comprise a very small portion of that footprint. So the statistical likelihood that a tornado is going to hit a city is very small in the first place, but they can, and sometimes do hit larger cities or skirt the outsides or the suburbs. There's
Dr. Paul Markowski 14:25
this idea, I think maybe it comes from too many TV shows involving storm chasers on TV, that the value of tornado observations increases with the decreasing distance you have that you collect the data from the tornado, meaning that, hey, let's just have an armored vehicle and drive it right into the tornado. Makes for great television. Don't know that those data are how scientifically valuable they are. I mean, we are. Know that it's windy in there. We know that the pressure is low. If you actually want to predict tornado formation or understand how tornadoes form or how tornadoes are maintained, or how they dissipate, really what you need is observations in a much larger volume surrounding that storm. I mean, it's a thunderstorm that produces a tornado. It's it's just keeping the numbers really round. Let's say it's 10 miles in one dimension, 10 miles in the other horizontal dimension, and 10 miles high, 50,000 feet high, that's 1000 cubic miles, 10 by 10 by 10, that's 1000 so you need, if you really want to understand what all is going on in there. You need to collect data in that whole volume. So once
Speaker 1 15:44
the tornado kind of starts, is it fueling the rest of the storm, taking away for the rest of the storm, like, where? Yeah, what's happening with all that kind of energy?
Dr. Paul Markowski 15:55
No, that's a good question. A tornado is actually going to be self destructive to a storm, typically, because that wind is so strong, rotationally at the ground, what happens? What happens to the pressure? When you have really strong spinning motion, the pressure drops. You can demonstrate this yourself. If you take your coffee, spin it around, the fluid level in the middle drops. And if you spin it too fast, the fluid level drops so much that the floor level on the sides rises, and the crow field go flying out right. So the faster you spin it, the lower the pressure gets. Well, if you've got really intense low pressure at the bottom of the storm that's sucking air down from above, and I already mentioned that typically a tornado is sinking air down the axis, but even the overlying thunderstorm updraft, which can go up to 50,000 feet, you start drawing air downward, and that actually weakens the overlying updraft. So some tornadoes will actually cause the overlying updraft of the storm to weaken dramatically. I've seen even the updraft basically killed by the tornado, and the storm is almost dead, and the only thing alive is is the tornado as it as it ropes out and dissipates and there's just blue sky above it. Sometimes the storm, though, will then reconstitute itself somewhere a bit farther downstream as the tornado dies, and then you'll restart the cycle again. But yeah, tornadoes, in terms of what their direct impact is on the storm, I'd say not generally, not well studied, but they would tend to have a weakening effect, actually self destructive,
Speaker 2 17:33
what seems to be guiding them, like once they form, what's dictating where it's going to go.
Dr. Paul Markowski 17:41
Tornados will tend to move with the motion of the parent's door. They'll tend to drift with that average wind. They tend to maybe move a little bit to the right of the average wind. But that's a good thing, because if they could just move in a completely unpredictable, random way, we'd all be in a lot of trouble, right? So some of the motion of the vortex, because it's so small scale, can briefly deviate a bit from the average motion of the overlying storm. It can't deviate for too long where it's not going to be with the storm anymore, in which case it'll just peter out.
Speaker 2 18:19
Most impressive thing you've ever seen or heard of a tornado doing?
Dr. Jana Houser 18:23
I saw a fire hydrant that was literally, like, sucked up out of the ground with, I don't know, maybe six feet or so of pipe. And it was perfectly straight, so it wasn't bent. It was basically, like the fire hydrant was sucked right up out of the ground. It was pretty crazy. There's actually a picture that I did not take, but there's a picture of that floating around online somewhere as well, so it's pretty crazy. And then I also was collecting data in a radar truck, and during the El Reno 2013 tornado, and our radar measured the winds that verified that that tornado was the largest on record with a width of 2.6 miles.
Dr. Paul Markowski 19:02
I mean, when you're talking about winds that are typically only seen on planets not named Earth, like Venus, for example, you might expect that you're going to have outcomes that are equally surprising.
Speaker 2 19:18
Climate change has that affected them in the sense of their strength. There's more of them. They're in different places,
Dr. Jana Houser 19:25
yeah. So putting the climate change piece to tornadoes is challenging, because, as we've discussed already, tornadoes are very sensitive to very localized conditions, so you can't attribute ever any individual tornado event to climate change, what we can do is try to assess the impact that climate change has on the larger scale environment, and whether or not that is supportive or not supportive, moving forward with time. So based upon the data that we have from 1992 present, there has not been. Any kind of significant increase in the number of tornadoes on any given year. When you look at the full course of that time frame, neither has there been an increase in intensity of tornadoes. What we do see is a little bit of a an increase in low end tornadoes, so EF zeros and EF ones and that, again, is primarily a function of our ability to see those areas of rotation using the radar data and saying, like, oh, we see rotation there. The National Weather Service warned for that tornado Did something happen. And there's incentive from the NWS, they want to verify their warnings, right? So they are going to make phone calls. They're going to send somebody out to see if that area of rotation that they warned for actually, indeed did produce a tornado. So we do see a little bit of an increase in numbers there, but that, again, is probably non physical in the sense that, like those numbers were probably always the same, moving back into history, we just are better equipped to observe those tornadoes now, what we have seen is a difference in the distribution of locations of where tornados are forming and the time of year that tornadoes are occurring. So in a very traditional sense, tornado alley, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska has always been the mecca for tornadoes in the US and in the world, and it still is. I don't want to slight them from that, but we are seeing a significant decline in the number of tornadoes in that part of the country, and we think that's primarily driven by drought and the fact that in a climate change scenario, we're increasing the robustness of the hydrological cycle, and we tend to be seeing more drought in areas like Texas and Oklahoma and Kansas. And where you have drought, you have dry conditions, you have dry soils, and that's going to be negatively impacting the ability of the atmosphere to actually produce a tornado. So we do see a little bit of a decline in the number of tornadoes in those traditional states, particularly in the climatologically most active months of the year, primarily like late April or early Well, all of May, basically, and into early June. Now to compensate for that, what we are seeing is an increase in the number of tornadoes in southeastern states of the United States, and this is kind of the traditional Dixie alley that people refer to. So we're looking at Mississippi and Alabama into Georgia and Tennessee. And I don't like to call it a shift, because it's not like a continuous thing. It's not like the tornadoes are kind of like starting here. They're edging this way. But instead it's kind of like a reallocation, like we're kind of reducing the numbers here, but we're adding to the numbers here in a sort of different in a different spatial sense. And those tornadoes are occurring during the cold season, so January, February, March, times of year when we as people tend to not think about tornadoes as being overly important, because it's winter time, right? But the link there is retaining heat in the Gulf of Mexico, and then the conflict with the cold air that still is generated in polar latitudes. When you have these these really strong cold fronts come through, you have really cold air aloft, and then you generate these very strong and dynamically driven low pressure systems. So these are basically your everyday lows, like where you have a cold front and a warm front and drive our everyday weather. In this climate change scenario, those become almost a little bit more robust because we have more heat and more energy stored up in the Gulf of Mexico to contribute to moving on land as that large scale low pressure system is is intensifying, and then that can cause destabilization, and can cause these really deep low pressures that ultimately drive large scale environmental conditions that are favorable for tornadoes.
Speaker 2 23:40
Why does some tornado seem to jump?
Dr. Paul Markowski 23:43
I'm not sure. I've really seen that behavior, to be honest, some will kind of dissipate and then maybe appear to jump if they reform downstream. I would think in some of those cases, terrain is probably playing a role. Some hills or small mountains or valleys or canyons can lead to some locally erratic behavior. In some cases, though, there can be erratic behavior even if you just have flat land without a whole lot of complexity, just because the underlying physics of the parent storm or themselves plenty complicated enough to lead to complicated outcomes.
Speaker 2 24:24
Since it's just wind, are there invisible tornadoes?
Dr. Jana Houser 24:28
There can be tornadoes that occur without funnel clouds. So again, funnels are not necessarily a function of whether or not there is a tornado. It is a function of the moisture characteristics and the temperature characteristics of the atmosphere as you as you move up. So you can have, I don't know that you would call them invisible, because if the rotation is strong enough to be a tornado, it's most likely that they're going to be lofting dust and debris from the surface. So you can see the tornado manifest through through those visual. Wool cues, but you can have tornadoes without funnel clouds.
Speaker 1 25:04
Best Movie about tornadoes, worst movie about tornadoes.
Dr. Paul Markowski 25:08
I maybe don't see enough tornado movies, so I've only seen one of I don't know how many Sharknado movies there are. There's more than five, right? I've seen parts of one. I saw Twister and twisters, Hollywood film. I mean, to be honest, in twisters, the most recent one, the technology they were using wasn't really all that advanced. The stuff we use in the field now we've been, we're doing stuff way more advanced than what they were doing in twisters, and they had this thing. They called it a phased array radar. We've been using those for 15 years in the field. So, and the ones we have are better than when they had in twisters. So, you know, that's okay. I mean, this idea about shooting rockets into the storm to affect tornado formation, honestly, the way they they wanted to disrupt tornadoes is actually the way you'd probably want to go about doing it. You might not remember the details, or you might remember them, but they were trying to create more cold air in the storm. So rain falls out of a storm, rain evaporates, that produces cold air, and that cold air for a long time, we believe it's important, one of the important pieces of tornado formation, in fact. But if you produce too much cold air, there's a lot of evidence that that can be disruptive to tornado formation. So they were trying to get the storm to coax it into making more rain, I guess, and then therefore more evaporatively cooled air to short circuit tornado formation. So they were absolutely barking up the right tree. But this idea that you can shoot a few rockets into the storm to pull that up is kind of funny, because, as we said, you know, Storm, very roughly, is 10 by 10 by 10 miles, 1000 cubic miles. You need a lot of stuff, you know, a few rockets of stuff. You know, it's like, you know, standing in front of a bus and throwing a wiffle ball against it and expecting that the bus is forward speed to be significantly altered. I mean, it'll have some effect, but not one that's measurable. So anyway, yeah, I enjoy these films. I don't really have one that I would say that I have a particular disdain for. Oh,
Speaker 2 27:23
what do you personally find to be the most interesting thing about tornadoes, like, the most interesting fact, like, that's to me is I'm fascinated by that. I've
Dr. Jana Houser 27:32
always been fascinated, maybe not so much by a fact, but by this, like, interesting paradox where you look at a tornado, and to me, they're beautiful, like, I think tornadoes are just spectacularly beautiful, and that's one of the reasons that I was drawn to them as a child in the first place, because they're just like amazing creations. And then simultaneously, the violence and the destruction that they can cause is just such a paradox that it's, it's sad but amazing at the same time, you know? And of course, I would, my heart goes out to anybody who's been impacted personally and has lost loved ones or lie or property or anything like that, of course. But just this, this awkward paradox of beauty coupled with this destruction,
Speaker 1 28:20
I want to thank Dr Hauser and Dr Markowski so much for joining us. If you want to connect with them, we have linked to them on our social media sites. We're Profoundly Pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included their information in the episode description. And if you want to see more of this interview. See what these tornadoes are really like. The YouTube version of this episode will be live on May 1, at 12:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Scholl and get to the pointless part of the show. What's the longest you could talk about a single topic.
Speaker 3 29:01
Oh, I mean six hours, 612 hours, probably
Speaker 2 29:06
six to 12. Like, what would you be? What would you talk about? Like, I could talk
Speaker 3 29:09
about baseball, and then you could break it down into seasons, teams, players, achievements.
Speaker 1 29:16
I could probably talk about the most powerful superheroes in comic books, and go through a definitive ranking of them, and probably talk at least an hour about that Thanos. No, Thanos is not one of the most powerful characters in Marvel Comics. Ultimately, you have the one above all. You have the one below all. You have the living tribunal. You have cosmic entities like eternity. You have some really powerful characters that are above Thanos. Then it depends on different characters, characterizations above him. Now, if we're talking about Thanos with the heart of the universe, that's one of the most powerful characters than us with the infinity gems, is not quite as powerful as Thanos with the heart of the universe. Like I could probably talk about the most powerful characters in Marvel Comics for at least an hour. Yeah.
Speaker 3 29:59
Well, that's about an hour. All right, everyone have a great day. You could
Speaker 1 30:03
just talk about sports. I pulled the audience about this. Sure absolutely could. Okay, so I pulled the audience. What's the longest you could talk about a single topic? The choice is worth less than 15 minutes, 15 to 30 minutes, 30 minutes to an hour, and more than an hour, everyone has voted for more than an hour. So 100% of people say they could talk about a single topic for more than an hour. Who
Speaker 3 30:26
are, no matter who you are, you love something, right? You love something to the point to where you could just not stop talking about
Speaker 1 30:31
it. Oh, yeah, I would say there's actually probably half a dozen things that I could talk about for an hour straight.
Speaker 3 30:37
I think a better, better question is, what topic could you talk about for an hour that no one else would would could? I
Speaker 1 30:46
could talk about the various differences between mountain bike parks and trails in the Seattle Washington area
Unknown Speaker 30:54
for an hour Exactly. And
Speaker 1 30:56
I don't think a lot of people could talk about that. There's certainly some people who could talk about that, still probably 1000s. I could talk about the ins and outs of the Peloponnesian War. Yeah, see, no, we're done. I know a lot about the Peloponnesian War.
Speaker 3 31:11
I say that though to and I could talk to you about submarines from World War Two. So
Speaker 1 31:17
Right. It's amazing all the things that you can like, get really into
Speaker 3 31:21
Yeah, alright, let's get some shout outs here. Shall we shout outs? Outs, all right, Isabella, Boyd, Albert pupa, pretty sure, pretty sure it's Papua, but I've screwed that. I'm
Unknown Speaker 31:36
sorry. How do you spell it? But how do you spell Albert pupa,
John Shull 31:40
P, u, p, U, a devil is
Speaker 1 31:43
like Papua, Papa. I don't think it's pupa. That's a terrible last name.
Speaker 3 31:49
It's a terrible last name. But sorry, Albert, Papua, Christy, Christina, do on Brendan o'shanahan, Jack Almighty, Evans, Jeremy Adams, Brian Gorman, Jeff Bogar, rich Carmen do and we're going to end here with Zachariah. Zachariah, it's not gonna, not gonna even
Speaker 1 32:23
try that one. It's amazing to me, for the length of time that we have been doing the shout outs, and you have not really gotten better at it at all, not
Speaker 3 32:30
even a little bit some of those, like, I have the different apps open, I'm just picking names, right? And then YouTube does a really shitty job of showing people, oh,
Speaker 1 32:40
always somebody else's fault. This is why you're not getting better about it. Because you're trying to pass the buck to somebody else. You're not taking accountability, you know what, though. But if we're talking about, if we're talking about things that we have not gotten better at, I have been working out and lifting weights since I was 16, so we're talking 20 plus years, and I haven't improved at it in probably 15 years. I don't think I've gotten any physically stronger in 15 years.
John Shull 33:08
That sounds like a you problem. Can you
Speaker 1 33:10
think of anything that you have been doing for a long time and have not improved at it at all,
Speaker 3 33:16
just work in general? Yeah, I feel like my job is pretty streamlined. And like, yeah, you learn new things and you do new things, but like, Have I really gotten better at it? I don't know. I don't think so.
Speaker 1 33:29
I can actually say that I probably haven't made significant improvements to anything that I do in the last 10 to 15 years, whether that's work, personal relationships, working out, things that I do, I don't really think that I've made significant improvements in any of them, in any way. In the last 10 to 15 years, I've made small improvements, but I like you hit an age and that era of big improvements in doing something is like over with like, now it's just baby steps.
Speaker 3 34:03
I actually think I probably have gone backwards on things than frontwards. Oh,
Speaker 1 34:08
yeah, I would agree with that. I've gotten worse at most things that I do.
Speaker 3 34:12
Like, yeah, I don't think I've gone forward on anything really personalized, professionally. I can't think of anything really
Speaker 1 34:21
I'm more efficient. I can do the same job and less time, but I'm not doing a better job. Yeah,
Speaker 3 34:29
that's like, I'm smarter and I think and more effective than the way I do certain things. But it doesn't mean that I've gotten better at it, like, you know, I've decreased everything. It just sucks getting old. That's that's the sentence. It just sucks getting old. Period, my
Speaker 1 34:46
oldest beat me at something for the first time, and my youngest, we play Wii Sports, we play Wii volleyball, and I can't beat him. Oh, I legitimately cannot beat him. And he's. Five years old, and we're playing Wii Sports, volleyball, and I'm trying, and I can't beat him. I can't beat him. He's better than me.
Speaker 3 35:07
Do you work up a little sweat playing Wii volleyball? Oh,
Speaker 1 35:10
I try to cheat, I try to, like, distract him, I try to get in his head, and he beats me. I've got nothing for him, and not that you played a five and he's beaten you, like 5253,
Unknown Speaker 35:23
not even close, just not even one thing,
Speaker 1 35:25
just stomping me. I try to cheat it. So I get to go first. I try to cheat the system so that my partner is better, because you play with a CPU partner and Nope, you can't get him good
Speaker 3 35:36
on him. Man, maybe you got a future sand volleyball player in your in your household,
Nick VinZant 35:41
it's Wii Sports, man.
Speaker 3 35:44
You know, all right, well, in this week's rip edition, I feel like we have to get some kind of shout out to the Pope.
Speaker 1 35:51
Oh, yeah, man, you don't realize, like, I feel like that's a person that you don't realize how worldwide, famous that they are, that everybody kind of knows who the Pope is,
Speaker 3 36:01
yeah. I mean, probably one of the, I mean, if I had to list it, probably top five most known person in the world.
Speaker 1 36:08
Yeah. Seemed like a decent dude. I'm not a religious person, but seemed like a nice guy.
Speaker 3 36:14
I do think the way they elect a pope is a little it's a little little archaic. I don't think they have to take Cardinals and put them into a hotel where nobody can talk to them for two or three days, where I I've always envisioned like that just being a wild, like bachelor party experience, which it probably is, nothing,
Speaker 1 36:35
no, dude, it's a bunch of religious people. They're not like having strippers and cocaine over there. It's like a bunch of cardinals. I mean, how directed you want to but I think that, like, it's not like they're doing like, blow and banging chicks all day, like sequestered, like bashing party, like pop gone wild. I
Speaker 3 36:56
just did the vision. Like, you know, they do whatever they need to do for like, two hours, and then it's like, all right, Jerry, bring the girls in the Coke,
Nick VinZant 37:06
bring in the Marie, like, just doing rails. Hope innocent, no more. Yeah, right. Like,
Speaker 3 37:15
yeah, it's tradition. It's tradition. Well, it got me thinking, like, that's one of the most traditional things that we still do as the human society. I think there's not, not a lot of things have stood the test of time like the Pope, hell, Conclave, papal, I know it's kind of being half funny, but yeah, papal conclave. Did you really think
Speaker 1 37:36
it was Pope? Hell, nope, yeah. You didn't know what it was like. Papal. I only know this because I've been watching conclave.
Speaker 3 37:43
How is okay? I get well, no one cares. But yes, or no, good movie. It's worth it. It's worth it, all right?
Speaker 1 37:50
I like that kind of movie. Occasionally I can't watch like those, dialog heavy, not really any like subtlety. It's just people talking to each other. Intrigue, kind of movies very often, but when I do watch them, I generally like them. I can handle those about once every three months.
Speaker 3 38:06
I just I'm trying to get through Oppenheimer, but it's a three hour movie, and I forgot what sitting through a three hour movie is like. So
Speaker 1 38:14
it took me three days to watch a movie. I don't think that I have sat down and watched a movie from start to finish. I know I haven't done it since the movie Logan came out in like, 2017 or 16. That's probably the last time that I sat down and watched a movie from beginning to end.
Speaker 3 38:33
I mean, it's not that surprising, but it's kind of like you haven't watched any movies since then, like in their entirety.
Speaker 1 38:39
Nope, not just sitting there watching the whole movie. That's, what, almost eight years. Yeah, that's a while. It takes me, generally, three or four days to watch a movie.
John Shull 38:50
Our podcast is almost as old as the last time you watched a movie.
Unknown Speaker 38:54
Oh, God,
Nick VinZant 38:56
let's move on.
Speaker 3 38:59
Let's see here. Would you rather be trapped under water, knowing, not knowing you're going to survive, but you do, or fall out of an airplane and have your parachute not open until you're just within like distance of, hey, I'm going to hit the ground and die, but then your parachute opens and you survive. So
Speaker 1 39:17
would I rather almost die drowning or almost die falling from the sky. Yes, almost die falling from the sky. I don't want to drown. Being underwater really creeps me out. I don't really want to be underwater. I don't like to not have my feet on the ground, and I don't like to have my head underground underwater. I'd rather fall How about you?
Speaker 3 39:38
I feel like, at least when you're in the water, you feel like you might have a little control, like, just a tad when you're just free I can see that you're just free falling. It's like, well, my parachutes not opening. I guess I'm gonna be literally staring at the ground as it gets closer, and then I'm just gonna pull over get pulverized,
Speaker 1 39:56
okay, if you were falling to your death, we. You stare at the ground, or would you turn around so you didn't see it? Would you stare at the ground or look at the sky if you were falling to your death?
Speaker 3 40:09
Man, that's a toughy. I mean, I feel like human instinct would be to try to look down and see if there's any way to survive. But I mean, in a perfect world, if I know that I'm going to die, like if I knew it, I probably would just, I would want to go on my back so I just felt the impact, and
Speaker 1 40:24
then you're dead. I think I would like, I think I would look at the ground until I got within, like, 100 feet, to try to see if there was some way that I could survive. And then once I knew it was hopeless, I would turn around and look at the sky.
Speaker 3 40:38
Yeah. I just, Well, anyways, these have been uplifting.
Speaker 1 40:42
Top saying, You got to be prepared in life. You got to know what you're going to do in that situation. Yeah, I would look at the sky. Would you land head first or feet first? If you were falling head first? Yeah, I think I would go head first too. Just like, let's just make sure this is done,
Speaker 3 40:57
because Knowing my luck, like, I would break every bone up to, like, my ribs and survive or something.
Speaker 1 41:04
You probably, if you fall that far, you probably kind of all hit at the same time. Anyway, it's not like, Oh, you're gonna cushion the blow with your legs. God, that would just be so instantaneous. You just be smashed flat. Okay, all right, all right. Happy thoughts. Good thing,
Speaker 3 41:19
yeah, let's see the last of us getting off to a good start, much scarier than the first season. I'd say, though,
Speaker 1 41:25
can't watch those kind of shows, but you're watching scary man, which is too scary. It's too scary if there's any kind of monsters, if there's any kind of, like body horror, anything kind of like gross, I don't want, I don't want to deal with anything that could really happen in life. And I feel I like, I don't know if I firmly believe this, but any of those kind of, like post apocalyptic movies, I can't watch those anymore because I start to think, like, oh, that might actually happen. Now. Like,
Speaker 3 41:53
oh, that could happen. I do think, out of anything we've talked about, or anything that people think could destroy the race, the human race. Zombies are probably the most realistic thing that could happen. Oh,
Speaker 1 42:07
I think running out of water. I think drought would be the thing that would get us. I think that's the one that I'm like, ooh,
Speaker 3 42:14
so we live in the Great Lakes, baby. Oh, nobody wants to live there. John, are you sure? Are Are you sure about that? Yeah, I am. You say that so, so, like, you know, I don't know what the word is, but, like, substantial, like, yeah,
Speaker 1 42:33
unequivocally, like, unequivocally, like, I'm not asking, I'm not suggesting I'm talent
Speaker 3 42:38
for all of our sports fans out there. I feel like I have to say this, because this was hilarious to me. Well, kind of sad, but also hilarious because I don't really care about this person. But NFL draft was this past weekend, and shadoor Sanders, Dion's son was supposed to go, you know, probably first round, ish, late ish into the second round. He didn't end up going into the fourth round to the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 43:01
I thought it was the fifth round. Was it could have been, I think it might have been a fifth round, but that's like one of those things. Imagine you're going to be like, for people who are not familiar with the NFL Draft, this would be like asking somebody how many points they're going to score in a baseball game, or how much money a movie is going to make, how much money their director will debut as a movie is going to make, and they're like, probably going to make a billion, at least 500 million, and it makes like $10,000 like this is probably the biggest Miss ever in the NFL Draft, in terms of where someone thought they were going to go, and where someone actually went
Speaker 3 43:44
well. And now, if you're, you were correct by the it was fifth round. But now he's, he's, you know, they the Browns just signed a pretty good veteran backup, and Joe Flacco, they still have Deshaun Watson on the books for $100 million and they have another guy named Kenny Pickett, who's not terrible, but he's been around a couple of years, so it's like, what Sanders could very easily be cut before, you know, before the season even starts.
Speaker 1 44:11
I have a big problem with all the sports talking heads who talk endlessly about things but really have no idea what they're talking about. Like he's one of the best players in the draft. Like, well, though they took him in the fifth round. So I don't think that he really is. Anyway,
Speaker 3 44:24
let's see. RFK officially said this week that it we're going to be banning food additives, which is probably the only thing he said that I actually agree with.
Unknown Speaker 44:32
I don't
Speaker 1 44:34
know anything about that stuff. I don't think anybody knows anything about that stuff, to be honest with you. I
Speaker 3 44:39
mean, the best way I can describe it is that it's companies created artificial, chemically made, you know, food dyes to give things colors taste blah, blah, blah, instead of paying money to have the real, you know, the real ingredients to make whatever they needed to do it. Is a cheaper way to mass produce and mass quantify product. And my thing is not good for you.
Unknown Speaker 45:05
I just
Speaker 1 45:06
feel like with any of that kind of stuff, when we're talking about, like, scientific concepts that most of the people talking about it don't seem to generally know what they're talking about, like those kind of things, is, like, red 40 is toxic. And then, like, it's banned in other countries. And like, oh, actually, no, it's not banned in other countries. They just call it something different than us, and they allow it to and then you talk to, like, a food scientist, which we've had on this show before, and he's like, it's really not bad for you. It's just, it's fine.
Speaker 3 45:35
I mean, it's, it's like anything, it's in moderation. But when, from what I've read, at least, I'm a scientist, naturally. But you know, there's just such a disconnect
Speaker 1 45:46
I feel like, with any of that health information, between what's actually true and what's not true. And the problem is, is that we seem to only hear from the loudest voices that don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 4 45:58
No, which is awful. No, come on now. No, alright, no, let's see in
Speaker 3 46:07
the last thing was really just a just kind of a dumb, dumb question for you. But Are you for or against daylight savings? Time Being being gone forever. What
Speaker 1 46:17
I what I am for, is to stop talking about this. I am for not talking about daylight savings time, so whatever decision that we need to make so that it's not a thing and that we don't have to talk about it, I'm for that decision. I'm just sick of it. Can we just get rid of this thing? I don't feel like setting my clocks. I don't feel like changing my habits. I don't care. I just want it to be done.
John Shull 46:45
Well, good, great. I agree with you, that's
Speaker 1 46:48
what I'm saying. I'm sick of it. I don't want to talk about daylight savings
Speaker 3 46:52
time. Well, hopefully you want to talk about our top five. I'm
Speaker 1 46:55
just saying I just want to make a decision and stick with it, whatever decision it is. I just want the decision to be made. We're either doing it or we're not doing it. That's
Speaker 3 47:03
not going to happen because this administration says something, and then five minutes later, they go back on it. So it doesn't
Speaker 1 47:09
matter. It's just the way that the world is okay. Are you ready for our top five? I guess so. Our top five is top five things that we really like, but don't want to admit what's
Speaker 4 47:20
your number five processed foods, I do love I love
Speaker 3 47:28
a good hot dog, or like McDonald's hamburger, or, you know, any kind of fast food, like, I love it. And if I could eat it and not have to worry about dying at the age of 45 I would have that forever, those things for breakfast, lunch, I'd have saw I'd be eating sausage right now, if I could,
Speaker 1 47:47
oh, I'm sure you would be. I love chemicals. Give me all the chemicals. Give me all the chemicals, all the genetically modified things. I want all of it. I want all the donuts, all the processed stuff, all the crap, give me all the crap. And if it takes five years off my life and I die at 82 instead of 86 or 87 Good, good. I mean,
Speaker 3 48:12
if someone could tell me when I was supposed to die, and if I could take five years off, do it, yes, I would give me 10 years off, maybe, let's see how long I get. Um,
Speaker 1 48:23
okay, how many years? Okay, if someone said you can do what you want, but it's going to take this many years off your life. How many years would be acceptable to you? Five?
Unknown Speaker 48:42
Like five. I say five is a fair number,
Speaker 1 48:45
yeah? So, like, if somebody said you can eat all the fast food that you want, but it's going to take this many years off of your life, you would go with five years.
Speaker 3 48:57
Yeah, three to five. I'd really have to think about it, but I'd be three to five for sure. I
Speaker 1 49:02
would probably be in the three to five range. I'd be closer to three, but I would do some things like that too. Like, there's not much of a difference in my mind of living between there's a huge difference if it's 87 to 84 like, that's not a, wait, no, there's a, not a big difference if it's like 87 to 84 but there is a big difference. If it's like 30 to 27 so if it was later in my life, I'd be okay with it. Be like, Okay,
Speaker 3 49:30
I could very well hit 40 and just say, Fuck it anyways. So
Speaker 1 49:36
getting there on a fast track, um, okay, my number five is I watch bluey at the gym. I watch bluey when I'm at the gym, like, I'll be on the elliptical. Everybody else is watching Sports Center, the stock markets, and I'm watching bluey.
Unknown Speaker 49:51
That's it. I'm done. I quit.
Speaker 1 49:56
I like bluey. I'd rather watch bluey. Me, everybody else, watching SportsCenter, watching the news. I'm over there just pumping away on the treadmill to blue I mean, watching go.
Speaker 3 50:08
I was going to make fun of you with two things. What I love bluey as well. And I watch, like, World War two documentaries. So I can't say anything.
Speaker 1 50:18
You're at the gym watching world war two doc. That's, that's, that's hardcore.
Speaker 3 50:23
I mean, I just always, yeah, there are some things that pop up on the screen, like a certain kind of flag or something, or symbol, and I always, like, tend to look around because I'm like, Man, I hope someone's not looking at this and saying that, because I can only imagine what they would think,
Speaker 1 50:37
Oh, I live in Seattle, and there's definitely certain stations that you can't watch. You can't have that on the TV for a second. Yeah, no, for sure, we have that.
Speaker 3 50:46
Yeah. And you know, probably shouldn't, um, number four, uh, collecting wrestling figures. Not, not that I'm embarrassed by it. But for instance, we had a couple over, I don't know, a couple weeks ago now, and we took them into the basement, and I have a display case my wrestling figures, and I could just tell they were both like, you know, what the fuck is this guy? Is he a fucking creeper? Like, What's
Speaker 1 51:17
this guy doing? Oh, yeah, you can't show that on the first date. I can't, like, first couple date, you can't do that. It's a rookie
Speaker 3 51:24
stoke. But whatever, I don't think it doesn't make you weird. It's just I don't like to admit it out
Speaker 1 51:30
loud. I like to eat alone. I don't want to eat with anyone around me. I want to eat by myself, with noone around
Speaker 3 51:37
me. I am this. I am the same way I yeah, I didn't put it on the list, but like I'm, yeah, I don't eat in front of people, which is often why I don't eat some days, during during the day.
Speaker 1 51:48
Oh, I'll wait until basically my entire family goes to bed, and then I'll eat my dinner because I just want to eat in peace with nobody around me. Yeah,
Speaker 3 51:57
I don't, that's it. I don't eat. Don't make any jokes to this. I don't like when I eat. Like, I only have one or two meals a day, and I just like to enjoy them in peace and solitude like I don't. I don't want anyone
Speaker 1 52:12
like, do you want to go out to dinner? No, I don't. I don't want to go out to dinner. I want to get the dinner and then bring it home and then eat it when you leave me alone. That's what I want to do. Yeah,
Speaker 3 52:22
you're up. You're right on there. My number three is actually kind of a weird one, but I like, I like chewing my fingernails. I do. I'm, I'm a biter, man, I don't think I've used a nail clipper. I don't, I don't know, it's at least been 20 years.
Speaker 1 52:45
I think that's a bad habit, though, right? Like, aren't you not supposed to be doing that?
Speaker 3 52:49
Yeah, but not one says the dentist ever told me, you know, hey, like, your teeth are getting this way because you bite your nails.
Nick VinZant 52:58
Oh, yeah. I think, I mean, don't you bite your toenails.
John Shull 53:01
No, no, I just peel them off. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1 53:04
that's weird, yeah, that seems like you shouldn't be doing that. Like, there, you've gone too far. I feel like that does seem kind of weird. Yeah, that like, that doesn't seem weird.
Speaker 3 53:14
It's not that weird. It's where, I swear. Okay, sure. Keep telling
Speaker 1 53:18
yourself that. Keep telling yeah, there's a difference between something that like, Oh, you shouldn't be doing that because it's socially unacceptable, versus something that's like, like, farting in public really doesn't hurt anybody. Nothing's gonna really happen to someone. It's not like somebody. You're gonna rip one and somebody's gonna die. I mean, maybe it's probably happened. I wonder if there's ever been anybody who, like, died from smelling a fart like they just had, they ran into a fart that was so bad they died.
Speaker 3 53:44
Yeah, probably there has to be. But then, like, how do you prove it? Of course. Like, let's look this up. Like, toxicity, poisoning. Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 53:59
No, according to AI, it's not possible to kill someone with a fart, like, no matter how bad the smell is or the gas is from it, it's not considered possible. I mean, it maybe the rare combinations, but, like, it's not in and of itself, like, if you just did it in a room, it shouldn't be possible to kill someone.
Speaker 3 54:25
This is just methane gas anyways. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1 54:29
um, my number three is, I love to drink soda early in the morning. I will have a diet soda at 7am and it's my favorite thing. People always judge me for it. Yeah, it's the same as coffee. They're like, you having a soda at seven o'clock? Yes, I am. Yeah. The only reason I live, the only reason I get up in the morning is to have a soda in the morning.
Speaker 3 54:54
But you don't drink coffee, right? No, I don't drink coffee. Yeah? So it kind of just replaces that with. Just maybe I'll join you. Maybe I'll start doing that instead of drinking. I'm telling
Speaker 1 55:03
you, man, I love carbonation. Carbonation is my favorite nation.
Unknown Speaker 55:09
Oh, okay,
Speaker 1 55:10
yeah, it took a minute, but it's good, right? Like, what's your favorite nation? Carbonation is my favorite nation? Carbonation?
Speaker 3 55:19
Alright? My number two is, you know, I didn't just like to play board games by myself.
Speaker 1 55:28
I don't understand how you play it by yourself. Like, that's confusing to me. How do you play a board game against yourself, knowing what you're gonna do?
Speaker 3 55:36
Well, I mean, like, you know, we've talked about it time to time, I like to play, like tabletop sports games where, yeah, you control both teams. You know, there's some other games that I have that are, you know, like war games, where you make decisions for, you know, both sides, things like that. I just, I don't think, honestly, there's anything better to me, if I get it a free hour, than to be able to do that. That is what I like to do.
Nick VinZant 56:02
My number two is, I like to color
Speaker 3 56:06
you. And you think your drawings are out of you think they should be hung up in the the louver. And that's the one that I
Speaker 1 56:13
was gonna go with. That's the only museum that I can name, too. That's like fancy was the louver, maybe the Guggenheim. I couldn't get any other, I couldn't name any other famous art museums. Just
Speaker 3 56:25
make up anything. And I feel like, like, like, the Schwartz
Speaker 1 56:29
crop, the schnitzel blocker, yeah. Like, nobody's good. No, no one well, I mean, someone will know. No, I love to color. I have a set of 120 paint markers that I use and I like to color and I make. I love it. It's my, probably my favorite thing. It's relaxing. It's enjoyable. Stimulates the mind and body. Good family time. I love to color. Love it. Love it. Send me coloring books if you want to general one, loving us.
John Shull 56:58
Certain kind of music that I do go on, specifically the boy band era.
Nick VinZant 57:09
You love boy band music. I do love
Speaker 3 57:11
boy band i i love all the music from that, from that era. You know, Britney Spears, Christina, Aguilera, Backstreet, boys and Saint Ja Rule, DMX, like, from, like,
Speaker 1 57:22
90 MX doesn't count. You love the 90s music,
Speaker 3 57:26
yeah. But I don't even know if I would classify that as 90s. That's like, you know, what was it, the Millennium music? I think they call it, oh,
Speaker 1 57:33
yeah, millennial. Me, like, late 90s, early, 2000s Yeah?
Speaker 3 57:37
Like, I just, it's just, it's shit music. Like, it's not good, but it's terrible. It's just, I don't know it's, there's from the beats to just, you know, just, I just love it. I
Unknown Speaker 57:49
did it again. Get
Speaker 1 57:52
it so you just be, like, in your house by yourself, rocking out to Britney Spears.
Speaker 3 57:56
Sometimes, I mean, whatever, whatever comes on. I mean, yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1 58:02
um, I love talking to myself. I talk to myself far more than I talk to any other person, probably more than I talk to any other groups of people combined. I ask myself questions, I answer them. I talk to myself constantly, and I love
Speaker 3 58:21
it. Yeah, you That sounds completely sane, so Well, it's the only
Speaker 1 58:26
way I can have intelligent conversation. Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps us out and let us know what you think are some of the most not embarrassing, but things that you like to do that you don't really want to tell somebody else. Thanks for listening. You.