For some it’s a harmless sneeze. For people with a Sneeze Fetish, it’s a massive sexual turn-on. Models Nat and Jasmin create custom content for people who are attracted to sneezing. We talk why people are attracted to sneezing, the different types of sneezes and blowing your nose in public. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Musicians Everyone Likes.
Nat and Jasmin: 01:15
Pointless: 22:32
Top 5 Musicians: 39:30
Interview with Sneezing Fetish Models Nat and Jasmin
Nick VinZant 0:00
Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick VinZant Coming up in this episode, sneezing and singing. And
Nat 0:20
the biggest turn on is that it is a similar to, like an orgasm first
Jasmin 0:27
before this is really bizarre, like, but then I was also thinking, I sneeze every day for free, if somebody wants to pay me to sneeze, hell, yeah.
Nat 0:39
Other requests are just straight up. I just want you to sit there and look at the camera and sneeze and blow your nose.
Nick VinZant 0:44
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or a review. We really appreciate. It really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a long time listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guests. This is sneezing, content creators, Nat and Jasmine. You'll hear nats voice first and then Jasmine. So what is it about sneezing? What's it? Why is this a turn on for people?
Nat 1:19
From what I understand the biggest turn on is that it is a similar to like an orgasm. It's like a build up and then that release. Another very good answer is the vulnerability. When you sneeze, you're obviously not in control of what your face looks like. You're not able to convey a sexy look or any you're not controlling what the viewer sees, and the viewer just sees you in your natural, vulnerable state. And for a lot of these guys, that is the turn on.
Nick VinZant 1:59
It's a window into the real you?
Unknown Speaker 2:01
Yeah,
Nat 2:02
basically,
Nick VinZant 2:03
do you feel like you have an unusually good sneeze?
Jasmin 2:07
I've been told it's loud and like, when I say, when I'm just sat in the office at work and I sneeze like it takes people by surprise, basically, because it's just a bit like, whoa. And yeah, it's quite it's quite loud. And then I would say, I've got an aggressive, an aggressive sneeze,
Nick VinZant 2:26
like, how did you get into it? How did you kind of start creating content for this?
Nat 2:31
So I had, most of my content is custom. I have a whole book of ideas that I've wanted to to film and record, but I'm so busy with the custom work that that's basically 90% of my stuff is and I had a fan who had bought some previous work of mine, and he just sent me a message, and he was like, Hey, have you ever heard of this fetish? And at first I thought, like, is he playing with me? Like, this isn't a real thing. And then I looked I looked it up, and I looked into it, and I was like, Oh, wow, this is, this is, like, a real thing. So I made a, I made a custom for him, with me sneezing, and when I wasn't even going to list it for resale, it sold, like, 40 times in one day. And I was like, Okay. And then I guess, because it was out there, I just kept getting more and more requests for it.
Jasmin 3:25
It was really random, but basically I posted a tick tock one day I did two sneezes in this video, and after the sneezes, I just said, Why do I sneeze like a man, and not expecting anything to come from it. And it got loads of like, loads of views, loads of lights, loads of comments, a lot of people saying, oh, Bless you, bless you and stuff. And a lot of people favorite in it as well. And then one day, somebody messaged me on Instagram, and they was like, would you, would you be willing to sell me your sneezes? And I was like, first I thought, this is really bizarre, like, and, but then I was also thinking, I sneeze every day for free, like, anybody can see me sneeze, and if somebody wants to pay me to sneeze, hell yeah, like you can help. So yeah, I started like selling my sneezes to this person, and then they recommended me to a friend of theirs, I think. And then I just kept getting more like messages and things on Instagram and that like requesting sneezes. And in the end, I just decided to set up an only fans, because it's just all in one place, then, isn't it, and people can easily access it, if that's what they want to say, Yeah, I
Nick VinZant 4:54
don't know if I could just like, sneeze all of a sudden. You usually
Nat 4:58
can't, and it's. Funny, because when I do have a sneezing fit, my first thought is, I don't have a camera,
Nick VinZant 5:07
right? Like, if you can't control it, like, Oh, I missed a golden opportunity.
Nat 5:11
So believe it or not, there is something, and I made sure to have it so I could show you. But it's a powder that is like menthol, and it's like all these natural spices and stuff that I'll show you. So when you take it out, it looks like this, and it's just a very finely ground powder. And if you just happen to sniff it a little bit, it will trigger you to sneeze. So
Nick VinZant 5:39
when you get to it right? Like, are you just sneeze one time, and they're kind of doing their thing, and they're trying to time it for right as you sneeze. Or, like, there's
Nat 5:49
been a couple of different requests. So some requests are a little more like your mainstream adults video with the sneezing sprinkled in right. Other requests are just straight up. I just want you to sit there and look at the camera and sneeze and blow your nose. There was, I think, for a 10 minute video at one point, that's all I did, was just sit there, look at the camera, say a few lines that he wanted me to say, and just sneeze. And that was probably one of the hardest videos I've ever made, and took a really long time. 10 minutes took, like, I would say, three hours to film. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 6:30
like, how do you sneak 10 minutes straight? That's got to be really you can't,
Nat 6:33
yeah, you can't. Your eyes start to water and, you know, you're then you start getting, like, you know, mucousy and stuff, and it's hard to talk and stuff. So yeah, you got to take breaks. It's really not an easy an easy video to make. Are
Nick VinZant 6:47
they looking for, like, a specific type of sneeze?
Nat 6:51
So I guess with there is a most there is a popular sneeze. From what I found, no one likes the quiet little, you know, the little demure, girly sneeze, as I call it, they want you to full out sneeze, you know, let it go, loud, messy, yeah, I've had requests to sneeze directly on The camera, like, so there's like, actual, you know, the camera, yeah, it just depends. But mostly, like I said, they don't like the quiet little Dum or sneezes. They want you to go full out. Some
Jasmin 7:35
people like scenarios. So they liked, like, tickling induced sneezes and things. So like, I'd say, use a little feather and tickle my nose, or tickle my feet, or something like that. And they would enjoy watching that, and potentially end the video with either a snot rocket or a nose blow, like just blowing my nose at the end, and that, that would be that really now,
Nick VinZant 8:10
are you, like usually in these are you clothes? Are you not clothed? Some
Nat 8:15
are more mainstream. They want point of view. You know, where it's a more adult, a normal adult themed video, just with the sneezing sprinkled in. I mean, I've had the line, you know, I want you to sneeze directly on my dick. And it was just like, okay, you know, that's, that's what turns you on. Then Sure, that's what I'll that's what I'll do, you know? So it runs the gamut. It could go anywhere from I had one scenario where I was role playing as a teacher, and while the college class is taking their exam, I just am sneezing and interrupting them. That's it. That's the whole video.
Nick VinZant 8:54
Do people kind of are people embarrassed about
Jasmin 8:58
I feel like they are because a lot of people apologize. So when they request something, or when they suggest me to do something, they they'd be like, Oh, I'm sorry. Like, I hope, I hope that's okay, and as if they're asking me for something really abnormal and but it's just sneezing.
Nick VinZant 9:23
To me, that seems like, you know, it's pretty harmless,
Jasmin 9:28
that's what I think it's just, it's just sneeze it like, literally, everybody does it every day.
Unknown Speaker 9:34
Why do you think,
Nick VinZant 9:35
then that there's kind of a stigma behind it?
Jasmin 9:38
Maybe because it is like it is harmless. So maybe that's why people think it's weird to get off on that, because it's just an innocent little thing that everybody does. But maybe they're just scared that people won't get it, but they won't until. Understand why they enjoy watching it and stuff I
Nick VinZant 10:04
don't want to like sound judgmental or make fun of people, right? Because ultimately, like whatever you're into, do you right? Because
Nat 10:10
I have a big saying here and in in my world, we don't yuck on anyone else's yum.
Nick VinZant 10:15
Do you feel like an outlet for people? Because I would imagine that this can't be an easy thing for people to kind of just say, Hey, this is my jam. Oh,
Nat 10:25
yeah. I don't think anyone comes out like in when they're dating someone and, you know, it's like, Oh, hey, by the way, you know, I'm really into when you sneeze. I think it is. It's more of a I feel like it's kind of like how the whole foot fetish used to kind of be something that people didn't talk about, and now you you know, people make jokes, I'm gonna go sell feet picks. You know, that's become more in the mainstream and more acceptable, and I feel like as popular as this kink has is, at least from what I can tell, that this will be something that people will be less and less embarrassed about. But sure i It's definitely an outlet for people who are not comfortable running around telling their significant other, you know what's happening. Could
Nick VinZant 11:16
you do essentially make a whole living just off of sneezing.
Nat 11:22
Oh, god, yeah, absolutely. Well, that
Nick VinZant 11:24
was like a quick yes, huh,
Nat 11:26
absolutely, you could, if it wasn't so hard the setup. The thing, if it came easier to me, I would probably focus on on that, just because I think that someone that is capable of doing it? Yeah, you stand to make quite a bit of money. How
Nick VinZant 11:43
come more people aren't doing it then, right? Like, if it's a gold mine, why isn't everybody rushing
Nat 11:48
the vulnerability? You know, there's a lot of women in general, not just models or performers or entertainers, or whatever you want to call us. Don't like to be seen in any other way, except for our, you know, Prim, beautiful, you know, done up ways. So there's a vulnerability when you're sneezing, right? You're not. I mean, I've laughed at myself at some of the you know, you pause the video, and you get, like, the the outtake, and it's just like, Oh, what is that face I'm making? You know? And to put that out there is, it's hard, you know, it's hard to put yourself to be seen like that, so that. And then, as I said, the third thing, I think, would be just because it is really hard to sneeze for two minutes straight, five minutes straight, 10 minutes straight, it's all it's hard. And I don't, I didn't. I didn't even realize how difficult it was until I made the first video, and it was like, wow, I
Unknown Speaker 12:51
need a
Nat 12:52
break after all of that. You know,
Nick VinZant 12:55
are you ready for some harder slash listeners submitted questions. Sure.
Nat 12:58
Bring them on Are there different
Nick VinZant 13:01
types of sneezes?
Jasmin 13:03
There's pig no sneezing, there's stifles, and there's giant test sneezing. So that's basically like, you just have the camera low down to make you seem like a giant, like from the camera angle. Obviously there's aggressive, aggressive sneezing, spray sneezing. I didn't realize that there was. There's actually quite a few different types of sneezing.
Nick VinZant 13:34
Most popular type of sneeze
Nat 13:36
the loud, obnoxious like no holds barred, sneeze, this
Jasmin 13:42
would probably have to be the pig nose sneeze in. So basically, I just do this. I would just list it like this, just to give a pig nose whilst I sneeze, or a pig nose, a pig nose stifle. So again, it's just, it's the same, so just like this, but instead of like, snips full on sneeze and you just kind of hold it back.
Nick VinZant 14:11
Is that because, like, they want to, they just want to see your nose. They want to see, like, up the nose.
Jasmin 14:16
Yeah, I think that might be, yeah, if they've got, like, a fetish for the nosh doors and stuff. That's probably what I like to see
Nick VinZant 14:24
your most interesting request, like, Oh, that's not to say that it's this or that, just like, oh, that's different in
Nat 14:33
the realm of the ones that I have done. The most interesting one was to combine the sneezing with a tickling and a foot fetish. So that one, that one was, that was a trifecta of fetish.
Jasmin 14:49
Somebody did ask me to sneeze into my armpits, which was okay. So. And but then they said, like, would you, would you maybe grow your hair, like your underarm hair, which I wasn't, I wasn't okay with, like, I was just like, No, I don't want to do that,
Nick VinZant 15:17
but you would have been okay with sneezing into the armpit. It was just like the hair part I
Jasmin 15:21
did, I did sneeze into my armpit, like I after they asked for it, like I did it a few times and but then, obviously, yeah, it got to a point where they did say, like, would you grow your underarm hair? And I was like, no.
Nick VinZant 15:37
How popular would you say? This is I would say it's up there, really,
Nat 15:43
I would say it's up there in popularity, it is still a very taboo. I know it doesn't seem like the thing that would be, but I think because it's something that is so non sexual, yeah, that makes that it's still such a very taboo thing. Whereas you can make the case for, you know, foot fetish or a step mommy fetish, you can, you can see how those things relate with the sneezing, I think it's still so taboo because, like I said, it's just still, I would say 99.9% of the population would never make the leap from sneezing to a turn on right.
Nick VinZant 16:25
Are there other things that kind of go along with this? Like, okay, they like sneezing. They want to see this, this and that. Like, what do people want to see besides the sneeze, so to speak?
Nat 16:37
So there are some, and I have done one or two of these where it's the sneezing and the actual mucus that comes with the sneezing. So there are, there are a sector of of this, fans of this fetish, that are also fans of blowing your nose, or actually watching you blow your nose. I actually did a photo set where it was just photos of me blowing my nose, just with a tissue, holding tissues, blowing my nose in the act of sneezing. So there's also that whole nose and the mucus thing that comes with that too.
Nick VinZant 17:20
So are people trying to, like time their thing right as the sneeze? Because that, to me, seems difficult.
Nat 17:28
So there are certain, yes, there are certain requests to do that. And it is. It takes a lot of camera work, a lot of editing to get it all put together the right way, because it's not as much as I would like to make a video flow and just go, you know, straight through and do the whole 10 minutes most of the time, especially with this fetish that is just, it's not it. That's not realistic. It's not going to happen that way. You know, you're not going to sneeze for 10 minutes straight. And to do the timing right to where you were there finishing while you are sneezing. Yeah, it takes a little, a little movie magic to make
Nick VinZant 18:13
mostly women, mostly men.
Nat 18:14
So my only openly, I actually have two female clients, and one that is openly is particularly the sneeze fetish. Yes, and I just make her sneeze videos, nothing else, just sneezing. That's the only woman I have ever known or ever heard to have this fetish. So do
Nick VinZant 18:40
they ever, are they ever interested in like, oh, we want you to we want you to sneeze, but then stop it. Like, you know, the finger under the nose thing.
Nat 18:46
So it's funny. I actually, you know, when you you are going to sneeze, or you feel like you're going to sneeze, and then it stops, you know, mid sneeze, you don't really stop it on purpose. It just stops. Well, that happens sometimes with me. And it was funny because in one particular video, he had said, Wow, can you do that again? And I was like, I wish I could duplicate that. That was like a natural happening, that was not something that I made happen. But, yeah, they're short. There's people that want you to stop. They want you to go full force. They want you to do the you know, where you you keep like, are going to sneeze, but you don't. There's as many different variations as there are of us human beings. There are as many variations to to this whole fetish i I'm learning.
Nick VinZant 19:35
Do you like? Does anybody? Does anybody? I mean, they're gonna now, but does, does anybody know that you do this?
Jasmin 19:42
Yeah? Like my family, yeah, yeah. And the colleagues that I work with, my friends, my family, yeah, my family were basically the ones who, like, pushed me, like, to do it. Like. After I received that message, off Instagram, off that person, and I went to my brother, well, I told my mama, I went to my brother, and I said, like, someone's asked me for my sneezes, like, I sell sneezes. And he was just, like, do it. Just like, do it sell everything? I was like, Okay, I wouldn't go that far. Um, but yeah. So yeah, people, people are aware my dad, my dad knows about it, and He supports me doing it as well. So yeah, I'm not hiding anything.
Nick VinZant 20:34
Do you ever feel conflicted about it in every way, not to imply that you should or anything like that, but do you ever feel like, should I be doing this? Are you just like, No,
Jasmin 20:46
when, when I was in a relationship, I'm not now, but when I was in a relationship, it was, it was a bit difficult, because, well, in my eyes, I thought it was harmless, like it's just a sneeze at the end of the day, and but the person who I was with didn't appreciate it or want me doing it, because they just saw, like other men, like wanting to buy stuff from me and stuff like that, and they just they didn't agree with that kind of thing. So when I was in that position and situation that was that was quite difficult, and that's why I did end up taking a break from it for a while. But of course, I'm by myself now, so I'll just sneeze away. If people
Nick VinZant 21:33
want to kind of connect with you, they want to get some of your content. They want to learn more. Where can they find it? That kind of stuff. Japanese
Jasmin 21:39
underscore is Tick, tock, and then only fans is Tootsie. It's T, U, T, T, S, I, E, underscore, 29
Nat 21:51
so I am on several platforms, but it's the same name. So if you search trophy wife, Nat all one word, you will find me. I am mainly on many vids, and you will find a lot of my sneezing content on clips for sale.
Nick VinZant 22:07
I want to thank Nat and Jasmine so much for joining us. If you want to connect with them, we have linked to them on our social media sites. We're profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube. And if you want to see some of the things and some of the sneezes that we talk about, the YouTube version of this episode will be live on November 21 at 12:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of the show. Okay, you don't have to say what, but are you attracted, slash, turned on by something that other people might think is weird? Yeah,
John Shull 22:47
I guess I don't know. I it's, it's hard to it's hard to say if, if, if, it's weird. I guess, because I feel like everybody would say yes to this question,
Nick VinZant 22:59
yeah, but I think there's different levels of it. If you have to think about it, the answer is probably no. I think if you were you would know, like, right away, like, hard Yes.
John Shull 23:12
I think as you get older, there's not much that needs to be done. It just needs to happen at all.
Nick VinZant 23:18
Yeah, it's kind of like, what's the saying about it? Like, even when it's bad, it's still good.
John Shull 23:26
When do you think you hit that age to where that saying like is fully you know, in play, 3231
Nick VinZant 23:36
no like, 17.
John Shull 23:41
That's pretty early for that.
Nick VinZant 23:42
Do you think that 17 year old you or whenever you got your first bite of the cookie, so to speak? Do you think that that version of you would be impressed by current you? Would they look at you now and be like man John, whoo, older John lay in the pipe.
John Shull 24:03
Yes, because I look back on 17 year old John, and I don't know how he ever, you know, had a girlfriend. Ever? I don't know how John, prior to probably 26 ever had a girlfriend, but it happened from time to time, believe it or not, the
Nick VinZant 24:19
first girl I ever kissed laughed at me because I didn't know what I was supposed to be doing. And I was just like, why is she sticking her tongue in my mouth? And I tried to, like, push it back out with my tongue, because I didn't know what was going on. And she just started laughing.
John Shull 24:38
First girl I ever kissed told me, if I didn't keep kissing her, she's gonna have her brothers beat me up if I didn't kiss her. So when
Nick VinZant 24:45
was that? How old were you? Sounds like you were like, seven.
John Shull 24:51
I think I was 1111, or 12,
Nick VinZant 24:54
okay? Huh? Probably, yeah, probably
John Shull 24:58
too young, right? I mean, at that age. Like, it's, you know, you obviously have no idea what you're doing. But
Nick VinZant 25:05
I just remember, like, my first girlfriend, I think I was maybe in call it seventh or eighth grade, like, I just remember she called me and she's like, you're my boyfriend now. And I said, Okay. And then I never, like, talk to her again, I don't think. And then she broke up with me, like next week.
John Shull 25:24
I remember so Nick and I come from a time for all you youngsters out there, when we had something called AOL, instant messenger.
Nick VinZant 25:32
Oh, you were instant messaging him.
John Shull 25:35
I remember at one point, I don't know, I don't know what night it was, Thursday, Friday, Wednesday, but I remember going down the list of everybody who was online and asking them if they wanted to be my girlfriend.
Nick VinZant 25:49
Did that? How did that? How far down the list did you have to get?
John Shull 25:52
I mean, I think I remember at least one girl that said yes. So
Nick VinZant 25:57
wait a minute, but did you but she didn't see you, or did could she see you?
John Shull 26:02
Yeah, I mean, we you knew, like you knew each other. You went to school with him. I mean, it's not like there were
Nick VinZant 26:07
randos. Oh, okay, what do you in in terms of pursuing the opposite sex? What do you think hurts you more? Your looks are your personality?
John Shull 26:18
Hmm, my looks, I think I have a good personality. I think my personality draws people in, actually, Oh,
Nick VinZant 26:24
mine's like the reverse. I feel like my personality hurts me more than my looks.
John Shull 26:30
I think people just look at me. I mean, I think I have both going for me in a great big world. I think people like big teddy bears, okay?
Nick VinZant 26:37
I keep telling yourself that, keep telling yourself that, uh, results of the poll, not a lot of votes so far, but 100% of people say yes, they are attracted to something other people might think is weird. All right, let's move on. Let's do shout outs.
John Shull 26:57
You know, you've been given the same introduction of shout outs for six years now. All right. Otherwise, you want to
Nick VinZant 27:03
talk about your basement and the weather or baseball or just like, Oh, my God, I
John Shull 27:10
was happy to see that baseball has more followers on social media. No, it's hockey. So, yeah,
Nick VinZant 27:16
right. Like, that's like being, being proud of the being that's like the D student being looking at the f1 thinking that guy's dumb. You're not in the you're not exactly in a great place yourself. Alright,
John Shull 27:29
some shout outs. Ian Hamrick, Logan Tyler. He know Montoya, Lucinda, sing, Mendoza, Dozer, Sean o' Callahan, Catalina Shirley, Tristan, Baker, Natalie, Eichner, uh Rudra Rana, John Ramos and James road.
Nick VinZant 27:55
So wait, was it? Rudra Rana, John, or Rudra is the name and then John Rudra,
John Shull 28:01
Rana, and then John Ramos. Ron
Nick VinZant 28:06
is a cool name. That'd be a good name,
John Shull 28:09
you know, might as well give a few more here. Uh, will Balcombe, Tyler, Howell, Jonah Frayer, and we'll end with a little alliteration here on this episode, Wilson Whitley,
Nick VinZant 28:23
oh, don't hear a lot of W names. Okay,
John Shull 28:27
alright, let's see here. I mean, I feel like we have to talk about this, just because everybody was talking about it. So I'll ask you two questions. You'll probably tell me, give me some smart ass answer. But did you watch the Jake, Paul, Mike Tyson fight? And if you did, were you one of the millions upon millions that had issues with Netflix? No, so you didn't watch it.
Nick VinZant 28:54
I didn't watch it. The only thing that I saw from the fight is Mike Tyson's butt cheeks. Literally, the only thing that I saw from the fight was Mike Tyson's butt cheeks, which three people sent me a video of Mike Tyson's butt cheeks. And I thought to myself, there's no point in watching this. This is the highlight that was the funniest thing that I've ever seen in my life. I think, like just a random shot of Mike Tyson's butt cheeks for no reason whatsoever.
John Shull 29:19
It was, uh, so for those of you that probably know what that is, or have seen that circulating, so what he was wearing was, like the girder. For whatever reason he wasn't wearing the shorts yet, um, but he definitely, like, hugged his son and gave his son a kiss, because that was the guy who was interviewing him. And then as he's walking away, they panned, you know, to him walking away. There's his ass. It was, it was, it was not well done, just like Netflix didn't do a good job at all. And for that company to be hosting two NFL games on Christmas Day and. Taking over the entire WWE platform. They got to get some stuff rolling there. The fight itself was what everyone thought it was going to be. You know, it was nothing. Jake, Paul might be the most annoying person I've ever I don't even know him. I just can he just go away?
Nick VinZant 30:21
I don't understand how some of those people are popular. Like, I've never heard of this. Maybe it's an age thing, but I've never heard a single good thing about that person or anybody talking in any way that seems like they actually like them. It's like, how are you still? I've never heard, but there's so many people that are like that. Like, I've never heard somebody say, Wow, the Kardashians, I really want to grow up to be like that, or I really want to grow up to be Jake Paul. Like, I've, I don't understand. Like, how does this keep happening?
John Shull 30:56
You know, it's, I guess, the sad part, to go back to the event for a second was there was actually some really good fights on there too, and he has turned it. Jake Paul and his production company have turned it into, you know, this was great for boxing and for women, because one of the events was a woman women's fight, which was fantastic, um, but, but at the end of the day, it's just, it's Jake Paul stamp on it, and it just feels icky. And, yeah, what I love is a couple, like, actual world champion boxers have sent him messages publicly on social media saying, you want a real fight, like, let's get in the ring and we'll fight. But I bet you he won't accept any of them.
Nick VinZant 31:39
I think that that's a big problem with actually to go on a whole rant with our societies. It's now entirely dictated by the algorithm, which focuses everything on the amount of controversy that you can generate. It's much better now, I think, to be slightly good at something than it is to actually be good at it.
John Shull 31:58
Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's a deep rant. To stay on the surface of it. I'm curious to know, whatever, what our listeners think. But just for me to stay on the surface of it, I feel like social media has made it. You know, Jake Paul can send out one thing that's probably not even real and and that that's it like, like, that's, that's the spoken word. I mean, he made 50, $60 million because he beat Mike Tyson. I mean, 60 year old Mike Tyson for sake, well, and
Nick VinZant 32:29
I was seeing something which, to be fair, I don't know if it's true or not, but somebody got a hold of the contract and was like, he, Mike Tyson is not allowed to throw an uppercut. The fight has to go the distance, like all these kind of things, that it was never a real thing to begin with. And I don't understand that from a personal perspective, in the sense that, like, you've already got a lot of money, why do you want to kind of sacrifice your dignity and embarrassment just to get it more like, what can you buy for $40 million that you can't buy for the 35 I would just look at myself and be like, God, I'm just a joke. Like, that's how I would see it. I guess other people don't think that way. To be
John Shull 33:09
fair, it definitely see, I mean, Mike Tyson had him on the ropes a couple of times, and if anyone even knows Mike Tyson, he would have landed a body shot or gone with an uppercut or something, and didn't. So regardless, they made a lot of money. Netflix effed it up. You know, the fight of the night should have been the fight of the night, and it was. But I just, I'm just over gimmick stuff, you know, like, I guess during the pandemic, it was okay, maybe because, like, it was fun and it was entertaining, and, like, you know, kind of brought people together. But like, let's get back to real boxing. And maybe Jake Paul can go away. He doesn't have to, like, nothing bad has to happen to him. Just maybe he can just go away. That
Nick VinZant 33:50
would be something that I would really like to see in 2025 is for all the people who are kind of fake, quote, unquote, to just go away, to go back to when the people that you heard from actually knew what they were doing or were good at what they were doing, all of the kind of that influencer culture, I could do away with all of it. I could do away with all of it, and we'd probably all be better for it, to be honest with you. But I don't think that that's the thing that I think everybody probably agrees with that at the same time too.
John Shull 34:24
Yeah. But then again, people who agree are the ones who are watching his twitch and, you know, giving money to his boxing campaign. Anyways, I just had to talk about that, because that was the biggest event. That's probably, that'll probably be the biggest event of the year, I would think, Yeah, and
Nick VinZant 34:43
what's sad to me is, like I was a boxing fan, like I would watch boxing, I would watch boxing shows, and now that the sports been destroyed by this. So,
John Shull 34:55
I mean, that's, I mean, that's tough to say. I will say this, that I think it's but. Shit for Mike Tyson, that his records gonna say 50 and seven and his last loss ever is gonna be to Jake Paul. I mean, I but then again, he doesn't care, because he made more money than he's probably made in the last 20 years in one night. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 35:14
that's true. I think that he always runs into money problems too well. And you ever look at it, he's okay with it, his decision. Have
John Shull 35:23
you ever look at his rap sheet? It is. The guy's been through some shit, so do some stuff, right? Alright. So it hurts me to say this, but I wanted to give you a softball so you could just hit it back in my face. Okay, so there was a movie that was just released with starring the rock called red one. It's a holiday movie. Had it had a budget, an operating budget of two $50 million Oh, and it's opening weekend, which, as everybody knows, that's the weekend where you're going to make the most money. Usually, it made $34 million
Nick VinZant 36:01
Oh, his career, he's on a big down slide. It's, oh, my God. It's crazy to me how fast people can turn.
John Shull 36:08
So my question was, or is, to you, does not show necessarily have to be him, but like, that's it, right? Like, there's he's gonna go back to the WWE now, or he's going to do something a familiarity, because, like, yes, he doesn't need the money, obviously. But that has to hurt. Like, that has to sting, no matter who you are, yeah.
Nick VinZant 36:32
And I think the difficulty is, is that when that happens to you, it's so hard to come back, because that's a couple of movies in a row. I think that he's had that didn't go very well. And once that happens, it's hard to bounce back from it. But that happens with everybody, like any big celebrity, once they hit a certain reason, once they hit a certain level, then they're just going to drop. I mean, you can kind of go through, I can't think of any off the top of my head, but I think it happens to all of them.
John Shull 37:01
Well, he does have one movie coming out at Thanksgiving that's gonna, you know, erase all of his debt or whatever, but Moana two comes out and that's gonna just blow everything off the, you know, water for him.
Nick VinZant 37:14
I don't feel like it's anime. It's quite as much. But anyway, that's me,
John Shull 37:19
um, alright, a little, a little interesting. I don't know what to call it. Apparently, there's going to be a run on butter this, this fall. I didn't think, out of everything that we've been struggling for butter is going to be a thing, and
Nick VinZant 37:38
probably better for all of us, to be honest, right? Like, is that the worst thing for society, for there to be a butter shortage? So what you don't think so?
John Shull 37:48
Just for everyone to know, Nick proudly supports Robert F Kennedy Jr, and he wants him to take care of the schools and get rid of processed foods. No, I just don't think that. Alright? Borrow Alaska yesterday. The sun set there. The sun will not that city will not see sun until January 22 Why would anyone Barrow? It's pretty want to live there, because that's their home. That sounds terrible, and I I gotta get the sun once a week just to make me feel a little better about anything
Nick VinZant 38:26
I I mean, I'm sure it's a combination of people, a, that's where they like to live. B, it's probably a really hard place to live or a hard place to leave. Like, I don't think that a lot of the people who are there probably really want to be there. I live in Seattle, in Seattle during the height of the winter, or, I guess technically, like December, right? Like during the shortest days of the year, the you're not going to see, the you're going to you won't see, they won't get light out till about eight, and it'll be dark by 445 and that that gets to me. I don't know how you could do with it. I don't know how you could deal with that, like not being light or dark at all, that it's weird
John Shull 39:13
kind of, yeah, it's for me. I leave the house, you know, 737 45 it's still kind of dark. And then when I get out of work at 536, o'clock, it's dark. So that's why I look like this, and then pale and translucent and look like a vampire. So,
Nick VinZant 39:29
so our top five is top five musicians. Everybody likes like everybody pretty much likes them. They're not necessarily the most popular, but pretty much everybody likes them. What's your number five? I'm
John Shull 39:45
going to get hammered for this list, and I know it. I know I'm going to because people are going to say that I'm nearsighted and I'm not thinking enough about things. But you know what? I gave it, I gave it, gave it a gave it a shot here. So. So my number, let me, let me go back here, my number five, John Denver.
Nick VinZant 40:08
Oh, yeah, I think everybody likes John Denver. I don't. I've never heard anybody be like John Denver. Hate that guy's music. Everybody likes a John Denver song. I'll agree with that.
John Shull 40:20
Okay, are good, so that I think we may get somewhere then, yeah, I've never heard anybody, you know, yeah, John Denver. Fuck that guy. Never heard that, right? Nobody's
Nick VinZant 40:28
really mad about John Denver. Ludicrous is my number five. Everybody likes ludicrous.
John Shull 40:34
That's actually not, that's
Nick VinZant 40:36
actually pretty good. Yeah? Ludicrous is like the one rapper you can say, oh yeah. Everybody likes ludicrous.
John Shull 40:43
Yeah. Don't say P Diddy or any of them. No, huh, yeah. Okay. I think ludicrous. I think maybe some of like our generation, maybe think he's a little too Poppy. But I dare you to find one person that's going to be like, Yeah, I don't like one song of his that,
Nick VinZant 40:59
yeah, that's everybody likes ludicrous. Okay, all right, we're off to a better start than I thought. Let's see this go downhill.
John Shull 41:04
Oh yeah, it's, I'm about to, I'm about to throw it right now. My number, my number four is Bob Marley.
Nick VinZant 41:13
Oh, I don't like Bob Marley,
John Shull 41:14
but do you not like, but like his music, right? Like a song comes on and it's just chill, right? Does anything for
Nick VinZant 41:23
me, does nothing for me. But I will say that once something becomes something that everybody likes, I automatically don't like it. I like a Bob Marley type music. I can't say that I like Bob Marley specifically.
John Shull 41:36
Okay? I mean, I feel like anytime a Bob Marley reggae song comes on. You at least know the beats. If you don't know the song and it's just a fun song, usually,
Nick VinZant 41:46
okay, my number four is Michael Jackson. I would have put Michael Jackson all the way at number one, but I do think that his personal issues cloud that a lot, and it's hard to look past that, but I think that everybody likes Michael Jackson's music.
John Shull 42:10
Yeah. I mean, that's, that's kind of what I'm basing my list off, is if people like the music, yeah. I mean, obviously a lot of people don't like him, or didn't like him. But, I mean, it's hard to find somebody that, you know, when one of his main songs come on, at least, even if they don't like it, the person's still going to be like, you know, humming along or tapping along. So,
Nick VinZant 42:31
yeah, you like his music? Okay? To number three, that's fair. I
John Shull 42:35
actually don't have him. I put him on my honorable mention, um, which now I'm wondering, wondering my number three, I went with Taylor Swift.
Nick VinZant 42:46
Oh, I would have agreed with you a little while ago. I don't think that's true. Now. I don't like a I there's not a single Taylor Swift song that I like.
John Shull 42:55
I think I'm confident putting her at three. I think, you know, even, even the Die Hard, you know, red blooded Americans, once again, if one of her more most famous songs, come on. I you know, you may turn it, but you're not going to be like, Oh, this song is a pile of shit. Like, I just, I don't know,
Nick VinZant 43:13
I could see it. My number three is Adele. Everybody likes Adele.
John Shull 43:20
See, I don't disagree with you. Um, well, I might say my number two now, which is Whitney Houston.
Nick VinZant 43:29
Oh, okay, yeah, so, because I feel like bad to say about Whitney Houston,
John Shull 43:34
I feel like there are just some singers. No matter how curmudgeon you are or asshole, you just have to respect them. And like Adele Whitney, Houston, Celine Dion, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, they all kind of go into that bubble. And, yeah, they're just, they're just legendary.
Nick VinZant 43:54
Celine Dion is one. I thought about a lot, like I thought about putting Celine Dion there. Celine Dion on there. A lot. That's harder to say than you would think. Celine Dion on there. My number two is the Beatles,
John Shull 44:09
see, and I left them off the list, and they, they were kind of like Michael Jackson to me, like, maybe should have put them on but, yeah, the Beatles are, you know, they're kind of like the monkeys, or one of those, you know, one of those early 60s, 70s bands. You just music just makes you feel good.
Nick VinZant 44:28
Yeah, I like the Beatles. Okay, who's your number one?
John Shull 44:34
The king, Elvis Presley.
Nick VinZant 44:39
Okay, I don't think that a lot of people know his music. Now. Do you think the kids today know Elvis Presley?
John Shull 44:49
I think if they don't, you hear it once, and you're told it's him, and then every time from then out that you hear it, you know it's him.
Nick VinZant 44:57
I don't know what his big song is, though, the only. Only one that I know of is like Jailhouse Rock. I think, I mean, that's the only Beatles song that I know.
John Shull 45:07
You mean Elvis Presley? Oh, Elvis Presley. Yeah, I mean Elvis. I mean so he had that. I mean a little less conversation burning love, even though that one's kind of bad, because he kind of died on the toilet. So it doesn't really,
Nick VinZant 45:22
he had a song called burning love, and he died on the toilet.
John Shull 45:25
Yeah, jealous rock, suspicious minds. I mean, the thing about Elvis is, is like he he's transcended his death, his family, you know, the drama, it's and his music was just always, it was always upbeat. Usually it was just good music. And you know it, it's kind of like Frank Sinatra and Christmas music, like anytime a Frank Sinatra Christmas song comes on, it just makes you smile.
Nick VinZant 45:51
My number one is Tom Petty.
John Shull 45:55
I can't go against Tom I love Tom Petty. Love somebody.
Nick VinZant 45:57
I would make an argument that Tom Petty is the most liked musician of all time. Everybody likes Tom Petty.
John Shull 46:06
I just wonder, yes, I don't, well, I don't disagree with you. I just you know, like you said to me, Do Do people know him? Like does the generation of today know? Does the generation of today know anyone we mentioned, other than Taylor Swift, probably not.
Nick VinZant 46:21
I bet they know Tom Petty more than they know the Beatles or Elvis Presley.
John Shull 46:28
I mean, I don't want to disagree with you. I love Tom Petty. I love man. There's some songs of his that you just sit back and they just take you on a ride, man. Oh,
Nick VinZant 46:36
I love a storytelling song. Like a storytelling songs are the best. Okay, what's your honorable mention? So, like,
John Shull 46:43
like, we kind of talked about, you know, I put Michael Jackson on there, uh, Aretha Franklin, I put Beyonce on there, um, Johnny Cash,
Nick VinZant 46:56
okay, Beyonce, yeah, I would agree with those. Like, pretty much everybody likes them.
John Shull 47:02
And then I went, kind of off here, off key, and I put Elton John. I thought about Elton John, because, once again, music, you know, most of his songs, his mainstream songs, and then this one was out of left field, but Guns N Roses, I just feel like, once again, they have a couple of anthems that come on and you just know the songs like Foo Fighters, Beastie Boys.
Nick VinZant 47:27
You could make a strong argument that everybody likes Foo Fighters, Beastie Boys, I would agree with Queen Bohemian Rhapsody. Like everybody likes those kind of songs, for sure. The other one, I thought of more recent, Lady Gaga wide. I claimed I would say
John Shull 47:48
I would put her at number 1111, if I could. I love Lady Gaga, but I love Lady
Nick VinZant 47:53
Gaga too. What's your favorite song? It's your favorite Lady Gaga song? Let's end on that. Oh,
John Shull 48:01
man, see, it's, it's tough because, like, the club days, like bad romance was a, was a great
Nick VinZant 48:07
one as a banger, that's mine. I would go bad romance,
John Shull 48:11
yeah, well, and I'll say bad romance that that's a good one. Man.
Nick VinZant 48:15
Oh, okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it. Really helps out the show and let us know what you think or who you think. Rather, is the most well liked musician of all time. I really think it could be Tom Petty. Like, yeah, really, you don't like Tom Petty. Everybody likes Tom Petty. You.