It’s intimate. It’s erotic. It’s sexual. But that’s not really what Boudoir Photography is all about. Boudoir Photographer Joanna Tiger says it’s really about empowerment - being confidant with who you are and how you look. We talk Boudoir Photography, building a nationwide business and why more and more women and men are turning to intimate photography. Then, we unveil a new Candle of the Month and countdown the Top 5 Johns of All Time.
Joanna Tiger: 01:24
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Interview with Boudoir Photographer Joanna Tiger
Nick VinZant 0:11
Welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant. Coming up in this episode, intimate photography, and John's,
Joanna Tiger 0:20
I have a master's degree in chemistry, I was working in a marketing background and I had a top secret Playboy career no one knew about more and more, we're seeing women who are not necessarily doing it as a gift for someone else. They're doing it for themselves, they want to feel confident and comfortable. Or we had a woman who was an avid scuba divers she brought like scuba, like the fins and the slippers and the mask and the snorkel.
Nick VinZant 0:46
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review, we really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener. Welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So our first guest has built a nationwide business based on intimate photography. But this isn't erotica. And it's not always sexual. It's really about empowerment. This is boudoir photographer, Joanna Tiger. How'd you get into this?
Joanna Tiger 1:25
Well, the business sort of happened kind of on accident. I was a top secret Playboy model for many years of my life and top secret because nobody knew. And I had met a co worker, we were working at a marketing company together and she was sharing that her husband was overseas. And she wanted to kind of send them some tasteful Fun, flirty photos. And I decided to confide in her that I had modeling experience in this world. And maybe we should try to get photos for her. So she had a photography background. So she talked me sort of through the photography piece, we have another photographer friend join us. And I was doing the posing and helping her get into these, you know, fixing hair and outfits. And we did her photos. And we started showing them to friends and family and everyone wanted photos. So we were working our full time job in this marketing agency during the weekend doing photo shoots on the weekend. And that's it just sort of happened organically and naturally. From there. I have a master's degree in chemistry, I was working in a marketing background and I had a top secret Playboy career no one knew about
Nick VinZant 2:40
so Is it is it erotic? Is it semi erotic? Like where's the line? Exactly? Yeah,
Joanna Tiger 2:45
I think it's, it's what you want it to be out of the chute. So I mean, erotic, you know, there's so many definitions for what that means to you or what that means to another person. So we follow our clients lead. So wherever they're comfortable going, if they want to do birthday suit, fully nude photos, great. If they're not into that we don't you know, we don't push it, we don't ask for it. It's what you make the most of your shoot, you do what you want. So if it's lingerie or we have some women who come and wear off the shoulder sweaters, or we recently had someone who does roller derby and she brought her skates and all these, you know, things that are specific and important to her. So it's I say it's tasteful. There's nothing overtly lewd or, you know, crude about it. And it's what our clients want out of their shoot.
Nick VinZant 3:35
But they're trying to elicit a certain response from the person who is getting the picture, I assume, correct?
Joanna Tiger 3:40
Well, the assumption there is that the photos are for someone else, when they are not always for someone else. A lot of women are doing this to celebrate milestones in their own life or to you know, kick off some big change, they want it, they want it, you know, they come in, they're so nervous, they come out, they feel amazing, and they start making other changes in their life, or we have a lot of therapists who recommend women who have suffered some sort of sexual assault or sexual trauma who are looking to reclaim their sexual agency, they will come in for a photo shoot, because it's a safe, structured environment where you can be vulnerable with other people and be supported through it. So yes, a lot of times it is for other people. It is a gift for someone else but not always
Nick VinZant 4:32
backing up just a little bit like when we talk about like boudoir photography. What exactly like what how would you kind of define what that is?
Joanna Tiger 4:42
Well, I think what people think it is is sexy photos, lingerie photography, but I think what it actually ends up being is confident building empowering photo shoots, in a supportive judgment free space, so it doesn't always Have to be lingerie we have women who will bring in summer dresses or boy shorts and tank tops or so it doesn't have to be sexy by what society thinks sexy as it can be whatever that means to you.
Nick VinZant 5:13
Is it different than intimate photography? Or is that the same thing? It's just called?
Joanna Tiger 5:17
I think it's the same thing. It is an intimate photography experience. Yeah.
Nick VinZant 5:22
How popular is this, like, if we surveyed, let's say, one in 10 women, how many of them are getting this done?
Joanna Tiger 5:29
I think it's more popular than people now than people would expect. I think for a long time, it was sort of something that wedding photographers offered to brides as part of their bridal package. So it was sort of this within the the bridal party, maybe they knew about it. But now it has really expanded and it's everywhere. Like we operate in 26 different cities, and we have competitors in all of those cities. So it's, it's pretty popular, I think, if you said you know, how many out of 10? Six, seven,
Nick VinZant 6:00
that many? We kind of talked about this a little bit, but to kind of put a finger directly on it, right? Like why do people usually come in what's the reason that people are going to come in and get these done?
Joanna Tiger 6:11
I think it's different by area. Like when we first when we opened our first studio, we were right outside of a military base. So we saw a lot of military wives who were doing it as a gift for husbands who are potentially overseas or serving somewhere. So that's one reason it's a big part of right now, our summer brides are doing it for wedding gifts for their partners. But it's also women celebrating a divorce. They're so happy, they're divorced, they want to come in and get these photos done. I mean, we tell women all the time, like you can do boudoir photography, because all the socks matched up coming out of the dryer like there's no right or wrong reason you can come in for anything. And more and more, we're seeing women who are not necessarily doing it as a gift for someone else. They're doing it for themselves. They want to feel confident and comfortable in their body and have gorgeous images in the end to look out for themselves or and potentially share with other people but it's mostly for themselves.
Nick VinZant 7:11
I kind of get that I kind of don't get that maybe it's just my personality, but like I got a promotion at work. All right, let's get into the underwear and go take some pictures. Right like I don't I get it. But I don't like I don't get in at the same time think
Joanna Tiger 7:26
you have to go through the experience or know someone who's had the experience. Imagine like being it's a very nerve wracking sort of can be very scary and overwhelming to think about. Like if someone showed up in my living room right now and was like getting your underwear. I'm taking your photo, I'd be like, No, I am not ready. I haven't shaved my my hair isn't what I would want to wear. I'm not wearing the right under like no. So the prep work and the preparation that you have to do to get ready for it both mentally and in outfits and hair and makeup. It can be overwhelming and and scary. And am I good enough? And can I do these photos? And will I look good? And maybe I'll have one photo I like then you go through this super supportive, empowering, fun, celebratory experience and you come out and you're like, I'm flippin rock star. Can you can't believe I did that. Anytime you overcome nerves. You know, when you come out on the other side of it. You're like, whoa, like, I did it. I feel so good. I feel amazing. What else can I do? So I think that's where it comes from. Women are just looking to keep like celebration going looking to celebrate themselves and feel amazing afterwards.
Nick VinZant 8:38
I kind of get the ideas like I still got it. I got it, right. Is there is there like if you were to say like, okay, my typical client, like is there an age range? Is
Joanna Tiger 8:47
there a they really like me work with women from like in their 20s all the way we've had 80 year olds come and shoot with us, like all ages and my favorite actually. I mean, I can't say favorite because I love all of our clients. But the older women more mature women who come in to shoot with us are the usually the most fun because they're at a point in their life where they are just they want to do it. They wish they had done it years ago. They're like they walk in the door and they are ready. You know, there's not a lot of hesitation. They're just like, where do I go? Where do I take my clothes off? Where are we going? What are we doing? I'm like they're basically stripping as they come in the door you know? So
Nick VinZant 9:26
are they well notice it takes a special kind of photographer to do this
Joanna Tiger 9:30
Absolutely. This is like one of the most vulnerable scary things to walk into. So you not only do you need to have a specific set of sort of photography skills to know you know what, what to capture within the image but you have to be the most supportive, most loving, most warm, most like instantly become best friends with these women that come in like it's such a vulnerable experience. So you have to create a safe space. So it does take special skills to do this sort of photography.
Nick VinZant 10:06
Do you get people who come in and are just extremely nervous? Like, oh, yeah,
Joanna Tiger 10:10
absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I would say that's like 80% of our ladies, they something inside of them really wants to do this photo shoot, but they are terrified, rightfully so you're about to be in your underwear in front of a photographer and shoot stylists to women you've maybe never met before, with a camera. It's like even just saying that makes me it's, it's scary.
Nick VinZant 10:38
But do men do it? Like I could just meet personally, I could never see myself like, Alright, here we
Joanna Tiger 10:48
partner wanted the photos, though. What is your partner was like, I would really love you to do these photos for me.
Nick VinZant 10:53
I could never really see that side of myself. I would. But to kind of get to the question like, Do men do it? Because I would think that that's something that like probably would not be a lot of
Joanna Tiger 11:05
men. No, no men do it. And in fact, it has its own realm called dude war. So instead of boudoir, they call it dude war. And a lot of photographers offer it for men. Men are doing it for their partners, the same reasons women do it for themselves, to have better body image body positivity, body neutrality that, yeah, men are doing it.
Nick VinZant 11:25
All I would see is like, oh, that's looking a little different than he used. It's used to.
Joanna Tiger 11:30
Yeah, but that's the thing you think you're gonna pick yourself apart in the photos, you think you're gonna see them and all you're gonna focus on are the things that you focus on in the mirror that you're like, Oh, I wish this was different or this? Isn't this? What you sort of like when I was 18? And but you don't you see these photos? And you're like, holy moly. That's me. Like, that's what I look like? Yes.
Nick VinZant 11:52
But is it like ultimately at the end of it? Right? Like, there's good lighting. There's a good photographer, maybe some editing, right? Like is it really what the person looks like?
Joanna Tiger 12:01
It is really what the people look like, you are correct. The benefit of having a professional photographer, we're natural light photographers. So it's just the sun, we're not using any different lighting. And having someone pose you absolutely makes a difference. But it's still you in the photo. Like before any editing even happens, our clients see their photos. At the end of their shoot, they see all their photos and 99% of the time the reaction is, that's that's me with no editing, that's just me right out of the camera. It's like, yes, and this is how the world sees you. You know, this is how how you see yourself in the mirror. And the way you kind of can pick things apart, the rest of the world is not doing that. They're not talking that
Nick VinZant 12:44
there is one thing that I always kind of wonder maybe this is on topic, maybe this is off topic, but if the idea of like, right, like you can look at the lighting that we have doing this, you can look at the pictures that you take, like, Well, which one is really me, right? Like, I wonder is like, do I look like that? Or do I look like what I look in the mirror, right? And I always wonder about that, like, who's what is other people to other people actually see what version of
Joanna Tiger 13:06
you know, we actually did this, this is going back to my college days chemistry and physics and all of this. And when you're looking at yourself in the mirror, it's not an accurate representation of what you actually look like, even right now on this because it's flat. When people look at you, they're not saying flat. So we did experiments in school where we looked at mirrors that had angles all the way around, you see yourself and you go, Oh, that's I look completely different to other people than I do to myself in a flat mirror.
Nick VinZant 13:31
So when you started, like when you look at kind of the business aspect, I think you said 27 cities, when did it become kind of like, okay, this isn't just a side project, so to speak, like, Oh, this is like, oh, I can
Joanna Tiger 13:42
Yeah, it's a whole thing. Yeah. Well, we started in the in Maryland, that was our first state that we opened a studio. And it was my business partner and I for about two and a half, three years. And in that time, we opened a second location. And then after three years, we were really very busy. And it was like, Okay, this is it's either like, it's decision making time. And I left my full time job first to focus fully on the business. And it just has grown since then. So we went into the pandemic with 16 cities and during the pandemic grew to 26 cities. So why other places were like, you know, really being maybe not expanding, we were able to, because we were kind of slower, we were able to focus more in on the business, we were able to really expand during that time.
Nick VinZant 14:38
So like if you had to put a number on it on average, you're doing like how many shoots a week a month or whatever
Joanna Tiger 14:45
I think we do between like 350 and 400 shoots a month.
Nick VinZant 14:49
Holy crap. I really thought you were gonna say like three to four a week. No, no, no, no like, oh, that's
Joanna Tiger 14:57
Yeah, but also across 26 cities. So some cities Yeah, some cities are busier than others, like our, some of our newer cities are growing and we're shooting, they're less because we're building. And some of our more established cities like Maryland, New York, Philadelphia, DC, those cities are just there, there are a lot of shoots happening.
Nick VinZant 15:18
So now when is somebody going to a suit studio go into people's houses? Like how does this work,
Joanna Tiger 15:23
we have a studio space in each location where we shoot so you come to us that way, we have control over the environment, and the lighting and all of those things. So each of our locations has a has a studio where you go and visit. And then within each studio, you will have a photographer who's either trained to be both a photographer and a stylist, or she knows both roles, or you have two individual people photographer, and then a separate stylist,
Nick VinZant 15:49
the thing that I would imagine is like the thing next to the big post bed, right, like, you know what I'm talking? Yes. Like, do other certain poses, people do? There are especially Yeah, I
Joanna Tiger 16:02
think like there are some core poses that are sort of staple that most people want to do. So yes, there are sort of, I would say core poses, but really, it's each shoot is tailored to the person coming in. So for us before they come in, they do a survey, they let us know their pronouns, they let us know what they're looking for out of the shoot, what they what they want, in the end, why are they coming in? Is it for a gift for someone else is it to celebrate something personal, you know, and then we're really working to sort of tailor the shoot to that. So women will say on there, I am. So nervous, I don't have any idea for poses, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm really leaning on you. And then other women will go, I have created a Pinterest board 50 poses that I have to have. And this is what I want to do on my shoot from from start to finish. And so we just we go, we were prepared for the ones that say I have no idea. And we're prepared for the ones who say, This is what I want exactly what I want. So
Nick VinZant 17:02
in the time that you've been doing it, would you say is it getting more popular than it was before about the same going down? Like what would you kind of see,
Joanna Tiger 17:10
it's more popular, especially with things like only fans and we have a whole new market of a women and content creators who are looking for a large pool of photographs to pull from for for their for their jobs for being content creators, and for their only fans and these sort of things. I think it's only growing.
Nick VinZant 17:34
But nobody's like using this for like their LinkedIn,
Joanna Tiger 17:36
you might be surprised, we can tell because it'll be a photograph cropped down to just like here. And the other thing we see them for is for dating profiles. So like I said, it doesn't have to be lingerie you can where it's not quite lifestyle photography, where you you know where it's very it's not lifestyle photography. It's not professional headshot photography, but you can use a portion of your shoot and like an off the shoulder sweater or a tank top or something that you can use as a profile picture on dating sites.
Nick VinZant 18:09
Are you ready for some harder slash listener submitted question? I am. How sexual would you say that this is?
Joanna Tiger 18:17
It's not actually sexual. I would say like on a one to 10. It's like a zero or one. It is it is actually work posing is I mean, I can tell you from my Playboy shoots and from working with so many clients posing for these photos is the photo looks amazing and sexy. But the work that goes into it is work. Like after a shooting. You're a little sore. It's not really sexual. It's not sexually charged. It's more empowering. It's more you got this, you can do this. You are doing this. Look how amazing you are
Nick VinZant 18:52
area of the country that seems to embrace it the most area of the country that seems to embrace it the least like do you notice patterns across your different locations? Yes.
Joanna Tiger 19:00
I think our bigger cities like New York City right now is embracing boudoir. It is. That's it's one of our most popular cities. And that has been not a recent change. It's always been a busier city, but in recent months it is really picked up. And then we have tried to work in some smaller suburb cities, and those are a little more difficult. Yeah. So I think like are New York City or Philadelphia, Chicago, San Diego, these these locations, these bigger cities are really embracing it. I think the suburbs are a little bit harder.
Nick VinZant 19:39
Do you see any differences between like the one that I would think of right? It's like the Midwest or the south like the Bible Belt? Yeah. Do they? Are they like secretly against it or secretly all about it?
Joanna Tiger 19:49
I think. I wouldn't say there's there's there's much difference. It might be that they're secretly really into it. People don't know they're doing it. I don't know necessarily where the photos are going after who They're sharing them with their who's seeing them. But I think everyone wants. women everywhere want to feel confident, comfortable in their body in their skin. They want to have photos that they can look at and go, I mean, think about how many selfies you take on your phone, and you look through them. You know, people want to have nice photos of themselves that they enjoy looking at. I think that's universal,
Nick VinZant 20:21
most frequent request.
Joanna Tiger 20:23
There are specific poses I think every woman wants to do, and we name all of our poses. So we have a post called Baby. Just like I can't even do it for you. But it's a it's a pose everybody wants that's everyone asked for that. You'll see it on our Instagram. And I think most women the biggest request in their photos is just like I want to look good. I want to feel good. I want these photos to look amazing. That's we hear that all the time and also how nervous they are
Nick VinZant 20:58
most unusual request, like one that came in like I don't know about.
Joanna Tiger 21:06
Um, well, you know, unusual, I don't know, we've had some really fun props come into shoots. We had a woman once who brought a stack of post it notes and she kind of ghosted them all over the room. And the story there was that she had met her partner at work and they used to leave really flirty post it notes on each other's desk at work. So she incorporated posted notes into her shoot. Or we had a woman who was an avid scuba divers, she brought like scuba, like the fins and the flippers and the mask and the snorkel and wore that as part of her shoot. It was so fun, but very unusual. You don't know let me think of like boudoir photography and snorkels.
Nick VinZant 21:46
People are people that I could never imagine that like, oh, yeah, baby, here's my school.
Joanna Tiger 21:53
I know. But you know what, she loved it. And it was a big part of who she was. And she wanted to bring it into the photo. So, you know, it's still fun to be on that side of it, too. And hear all the stories behind what people are bringing and why they're bringing them they're really amazing.
Nick VinZant 22:08
Any Have you ever done shoots at specialty locations?
Joanna Tiger 22:12
Um, we have. We definitely have we had a woman once who she wanted to throw a party for her friends and do photos, each one having their own individual shoot, but she had a gorgeous farm with a big, beautiful barn, and all these fun settings. So we have done things outside of the studio. Not really, in recent days. It's mostly in the studio these days. Yeah. But we would love like, I love the idea of like, oh, let's go do a weekend shoot in the Bahamas. You know, let's have some a bunch of ladies calm and we'll do photos all weekend and hang out on the beach. That sounds amazing. I can just
Nick VinZant 22:51
still never imagine like a big group of guys do. Come on, Steve. Yeah.
Joanna Tiger 22:57
I don't know so much about the men's side of it. We're we're all female company and we work with female identifying or non binary individuals only are trans women. We don't work with male identifying individuals. So I can't really speak to that. But I know in our world there are photographers who are doing doodler photography or boudoir photography for men all the time.
Nick VinZant 23:20
Here's one of the more ironic ones. How often do you misspell boudoir
Joanna Tiger 23:24
all the freakin time? All the time. We started the business in 2009. And I just I don't know why we did that to ourselves. boudoir is it's hard to spell and it's so hard for other people to say we've heard every version of the word boudoir. I mean, every version of it.
Nick VinZant 23:43
It's tough. It's boud Oli all Hi yah. booter.
Joanna Tiger 23:49
I know we've heard it. Boo, boo boo. I mean, I can't even say some of the things we've we've heard. But you know, it's part of the charm, I guess.
Nick VinZant 23:58
Um, how much editing would you say you generally do to the pictures? Editing
Joanna Tiger 24:03
is by client. So we follow our clients late we have some clients who? Well first, all of our photos will get edited to remove distracting items like wall switches or outlets or to adjust color to white balance. That's standard on all images. But as far as image editing bodies are editing the client in the image, it's up to our client, they tell us how little or how much they want.
Nick VinZant 24:28
Do you see like, maybe you've seen some of this stuff? Maybe you haven't. I've only seen like various? Like, do you think that AI is going to play a role in this coming forward?
Joanna Tiger 24:36
I think so. I've seen some AI generated editing programs. My only hesitation with that is where are those, especially in this space? Where are those photos going? Once they're uploaded to be edited or worked on? Where are they after that? That I think for me that would be a big security issue, it's not something we would we're doing because who knows where the images are gonna go once they're in that space? But it is definitely we know photographers and regular photography who are using AI pet it.
Nick VinZant 25:12
What would you say to someone who wants to do this, but it's very nervous about it,
Joanna Tiger 25:16
I would say it is so normal to be nervous. I never tell someone, don't be nervous. There's no reason to be nervous. I'm, I'm a comedian, I get on stage, often and perform. i There's never a time that I don't walk out on stage where I'm not nervous. And I do it often, where I was a Playboy model, there was never a time that I went into a shoot where I wasn't like, here's the time they're gonna, they're gonna know I'm a fraud, they're gonna find out, I'm just a chemistry nerd. I don't know what I'm doing, and they're never going to want to shoot with me again. There was never a time I didn't feel like that. So it's okay. Just know that it's normal to be nervous. We're going to be right there by your side to like, help you breathe through those nerves. And you'll notice if five minutes into the shoot, they're gone. They're just gone. You're just you and you're taking photos with your two new best friends who are hyping you up and supporting you. So normal to be nervous, be nervous, it's okay.
Nick VinZant 26:14
How much do you charge? How much should I pay for this? And I think that they mean in that sense of like, right, like, what's, what's a price point that you would say like, oh, that's gonna be somebody who's capable, right? Like not getting this done by Jan, who's tried 20 bucks. Yeah,
Joanna Tiger 26:29
we talked about this often in our, in the business about, you know, showing up to Steve's house, and he has a disposable camera, but he only charged you 20 bucks, right. So, you know, it's a wide wide range for us, because we're so focused on giving this experience to as many individuals as we can. And our photo shoot is $55, which is crazy low in the in the scope of things. But you can expect to spend anywhere from like, where we are at 55 Up to three, four or 5000 depending on how long you shoot, how many images you have, what products you order. You know, some photographers charge by sets, how many different sets they use in your shoot, it's a huge range.
Nick VinZant 27:16
So where does the kind of in the business aspect of it like where's the money so to speak made is it made off the amount of time that the photographer is shooting in buying the pictures or the editing? Like where's Yeah,
Joanna Tiger 27:29
I think it's a it's a broad stroke. So some photographers will sell packages that are like three or 4000 and that includes your photo shoot your outfits, hair makeup, an album digital images, you know, might include a whole host of things. And then other photographers like us were on the lower side for the photo shoot experience. And then if you want to own images from that, I mean our package includes to edit in images so we want you to come in have the experience and we want you to have photos from it, no matter what. And then if you choose to add more that might be more more of the cost comes in you know, just it's a wide range.
Nick VinZant 28:05
That's honestly pretty much all the questions that I have is there anything that you think that we missed or?
Joanna Tiger 28:10
So no, I don't think so.
Nick VinZant 28:13
Where can people get a hold of you? Where can they find out more about the about the business, okay,
Joanna Tiger 28:17
our website is three boudoir. I'm gonna spell it BOUDO ir so you can find us at three boudoir.com Three boudoir on Instagram three boudoir on Facebook, people who are on Tik Tok, you can find us all those
Nick VinZant 28:34
places. Congratulations. It sounds like it's going well, right?
Joanna Tiger 28:37
It is. And I love my flippin job. Like if you had told me when I was in the lab, doing all this chemistry stuff, and then secretly being a Playboy model that my Playboy career was going to ensue. Like come into play much later in life and into everything that I do. I would have never believed you. And here it is. And I freaking love it.
Nick VinZant 28:58
Oh, I missed this one. Most most common outfit that people wear.
Joanna Tiger 29:04
Um, most common outfit. This Wow. I would say probably like matching bra and panty sets are most common. But I don't really even know if that's fair to say because man the outfits run the gamut. It's everything from we had a woman recently in full latex head to toe I mean, not that that's the most common but we do see latex and we see summer dresses and we see we see we see so much we see every everything you can imagine.
Nick VinZant 29:40
Do you see any differences in people if they're coming in for for their partner versus themselves?
Joanna Tiger 29:46
Um I think the people who are coming in at their partner's request may be the ones who are a little more nervous a little more like I'm only doing this for him or her? I don't know, oh, no what I'm doing, you know, maybe so but the fact that they're there, maybe there's, you know, a piece of him that wants to do the shoot to that just need a little extra love and support and encouragement. Yeah, but I think they're probably maybe a little more nervous.
Nick VinZant 30:17
I want to thank Joanna's so much for joining us if you want to connect with her. We have linked to her on our social media accounts. We're Profoundly Pointless on threads, Instagram, Tik Tok, and YouTube. And we've also included her information in the episode description. The YouTube version of this interview will come out on August 3, at 4:30pm. Specific, I always say specific, it's so easy to say specific, instead of Pacific, but it's 4:30pm Pacific. Okay, now, let's bring in John Shaw, and get to the pointless part of the show. Could you ever see yourself getting intimate photos of yourself taken?
John Shull 30:59
No, actually, I don't. I don't know how I've made love before. I feel bad for the person on the opposite end.
Nick VinZant 31:08
I've never even I think a lot of people probably do.
John Shull 31:14
I mean, when I think about it, I'm like, man, you know, and I'm not really trying to be funny. I'm just like, you think about some relationships? I mean, there are some people who are champions because I you know, yeah, I'll just say that.
Nick VinZant 31:28
But have you ever had a relationship? Or do you think like me, you know what, I maybe didn't satisfy them?
John Shull 31:33
Ah, like, so when we say satisfied? You mean strictly one way, right?
Nick VinZant 31:40
Yeah, you didn't get the job done in the physical realm.
John Shull 31:43
I mean, there's been most I mean, there's been moments, I wouldn't say relationships, but there's been instances where you're like, Yeah, I didn't know I didn't do good. No job.
Nick VinZant 31:53
Yeah, I'm gonna say that there's definitely been moments. But I can probably bet maybe seven or eight out of 10. Especially once you've been like, I mean, I've been with the same woman for 10 years, right? Like, eventually you'd learn the combination to say,
John Shull 32:09
Listen, I need your opinion on something. Relationship related. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So my, my wedding anniversary is, so we record this on Mondays. My wedding anniversary is August the fifth. It's the upcoming Saturday. Okay. It also happens to be SummerSlam WWE SummerSlam. In Detroit. I bought tickets, I will be going to SummerSlam. However, a couple of weekends ago. My wife goes, you know, I know you were thinking about staying downtown Saturday. How about you stay downtown Friday and Saturday. And she booked me tonight and it was not cheap. But she booked me two nights on our wedding anniversary weekend. So I can go nerd out to SummerSlam. So is it a trap? Am I getting divorced? I don't know what to think right now.
Nick VinZant 33:03
Well, she's probably got another dude. She wants both nights, right? Because you're not getting the job done. So she wants she wants him to come over both nights.
John Shull 33:12
You know, at this at this point in my life, I don't even know if I would be that angry, man. Just
Nick VinZant 33:18
yeah, like how far into a relationship would you be okay, if like somebody else was coming over and getting the job done, but you got a free weekend. That's tough, man. That's, uh, you could do whatever you want. Right? Okay, you can do whatever you want with absolutely whatever you want for a week. But some other dude, or significant other or whatever you're interested in, is going to come over and take care of business. But you get your own week, how many years into the relationship before you're gonna be like, You know what, I'll take that deal.
John Shull 33:52
I mean, I joke, I'm not entirely sure I could ever do that. I'm kind of I don't know, I just can't picture that happening. I don't think my wife would ever do that. First off. And secondly, I feel like I'd be like, Yeah, do it, do it, honey. And then as soon as like someone showed up in the, in the driveway, start firebombing their car or something.
Nick VinZant 34:09
But you're not going to see this person hear about it whatsoever. I'm going to say 25 years, 25 years, I would start to consider it. I'd be like, You know what,
John Shull 34:21
man, that's tough. That is a good one.
Nick VinZant 34:25
And it's a special event. You get to go like the World Cup. Oh, God, you get to go to the Olympics. Something that only happens every once in a while.
John Shull 34:33
You're going to go do it. year seven.
Nick VinZant 34:35
You don't get any questions asked about what you were doing. While you were gone, though.
John Shull 34:40
Oh, I mean. Oh, you know, I'll say 2020 25 is about right. I mean, I feel like by then your kids are if you choose that children, kids are grown. And it's just you and your spouse or significant other.
Nick VinZant 34:53
Yeah, but the problem is by the time the kids are out of the house, you can probably go ahead and do that stuff. Anyway. You'd I don't think that I would ever accept that deal. But I would start to think about it around 25 years. Other people like me and they have completely open relationships. I don't know how somebody could do that. That to me, I could like, oh,
John Shull 35:15
yeah, yeah, like I said, I talk a big game, but I think if my wife was actually present me with that, like, Hey, I would like to get it on with somebody else. You know, while you're gone or whatever. I can't do it. I can do it.
Nick VinZant 35:30
What if he was a quarter of the man you are?
John Shull 35:34
No, I think I'd want him to be triple the man that I am. You'd rather have him be a bigger man than you. I mean, yeah, we listen if she's gonna do it, I mean, Maza would be worth her while
Nick VinZant 35:45
Oh, I'd go the completely opposite way I'd rather have I'd rather have my wife go behind my back with a man who was much smaller.
John Shull 35:53
No, I mean, fuck, I mean, have it be any any big time celebrity you can imagine the rock for all I care? Have it be him?
Nick VinZant 36:01
Would you rather have be a celebrity? Somebody you know, or just a random person?
John Shull 36:05
I feel like a celebrity would be more justifiable than just a Rando.
Nick VinZant 36:10
No, I wouldn't be pissed off about a celebrity. Because that would be like you threw this away for just this, like a thing that was never going to turn into anything?
John Shull 36:22
I do. There'll be a part of me though. That was a celebrity where I was like, okay, all right. I'm not good at Leonardo DiCaprio. wanted to have a fun night. Okay, sure. Whatever, I guess. But if,
Nick VinZant 36:33
okay, if you're like, maybe this is just my personality, but I would feel like at some point enough is enough, right? Like, man, I've had 72 Different burger restaurants, right? Like, I don't need a different burger every single night. You know what I mean? Like, wouldn't you by the age of like 40 or 50? Just be kind of? Oh, you know, I'm a little tired.
John Shull 36:58
I've always thought those numbers are complete lies. When you hear about Oh, yeah.
Nick VinZant 37:02
Like there's Wilt Chamberlain that would like he said 20,000. But they would average out to three people a day for 20 years. Like, that's not even possible.
John Shull 37:11
Or like Jack Nicholson, like, I mean, drugs and alcohol can only get you so many, you know, partners, for God's sakes. I mean, I guess for Leonardo list is good looking. But, but you
Nick VinZant 37:25
would have to just be like, I don't know how that situation. If I was completely alone in my house all the time, nonstop, every day. I couldn't, you know, browse the internet three or four times a day. So I don't know how that's even possible that that could that that would work out with people. Those numbers have to be like, I mean, I might give a fourth of it is probably the real truth.
John Shull 37:50
I mean, listen, you're so if you're a fourth of 20,000 you're still having still having a lot of fun in your life.
Nick VinZant 37:56
Yeah, but I don't know how your private parts haven't just fallen off at that point. Right? Like if you look at this statistics behind STDs, like it's pretty high up there. So if you're being in that many like you probably got a little bit of everything,
John Shull 38:09
especially back when he was doing it. I mean, back when things kind of ran around you didn't know a lot back then or weren't educated enough as a world All
Nick VinZant 38:17
right, but if he's got five inches 4.9 of that is straight disease.
John Shull 38:23
Just crab infested.
Nick VinZant 38:25
just nasty. Let's let's move on. Yeah.
John Shull 38:30
So last week, we had a great segue to shout outs are we gonna use this to go into shock shadows? Is that your question? Was that it?
Nick VinZant 38:37
I have known I don't know what your I really honestly don't even know what you talked about already. Forgot.
John Shull 38:41
All right, good, sir. some shout outs.
Nick VinZant 38:43
Is that your record player?
John Shull 38:46
It is Yes.
Nick VinZant 38:47
God you're a snob. Anyways, you are a suit that is the most old timey looking wooden record player that you could have possibly got. John, for people who maybe are not familiar, John is a snob John has a beer stomp. John has a music snob. John is a snob and if you can see his record player it looks like it was made in the 1820s I'm just not.
John Shull 39:13
First off two explanations one that is actually a pretty contemporary looking new record player. I wish I sure
Nick VinZant 39:21
it was I'm sure it was made new but you bought it purposely so it looked old.
John Shull 39:25
I mean, I bought it for the wood finish. Yes. Secondly, I don't have to drink 10 Busch lights anymore or you know do whatever I am five earned my place to be a beer snob. I can have one or two very nice craft beers and enjoy my evening. I do not have to prove myself anymore.
Nick VinZant 39:46
That I just want you to admit that you're not.
John Shull 39:50
I think I've said several times on here that I'm a beer snob. Yes.
Nick VinZant 39:54
Yeah, but you didn't know I'm not talking about just beer I'm talking about oh your taste you have snobby tastes as you're picking your nose
John Shull 40:03
hair up, they're trying to like do it like nada and they know discreetly, but he didn't call me out on it.
Nick VinZant 40:10
Dude, it's pretty easy to tell if somebody's picking your nose. There's no way to hide if you're picking your nose
John Shull 40:14
speaking of I told a group of people the other day that I would get my nose waxed
Nick VinZant 40:22
Okay, do it film it.
John Shull 40:24
I think I mean I would I we've talked once again on this podcast about how I don't grow hair. But I grow sometimes my nose hairs like curl around that middle part of your nose and like they can
Nick VinZant 40:35
Oh, little crabs gusting well just tidy it up. I don't know why you would get that wax. That's one of the easiest things to tidy up. It's got a nose trimmer.
John Shull 40:45
I'm gonna get a nose job and a wax.
Nick VinZant 40:47
Surprise You don't have like a special nose barbershop that you go to in this case. I just say you have snobby taste. It's all I want to hear. I don't have snobby tastes, you have a wooden record player behind you.
John Shull 41:01
It's actually one of the cheapest ones you can buy and it's pretty contemporary
Nick VinZant 41:05
snobs. No, no person who isn't a snob would use the word contemporary.
John Shull 41:09
Anyways, I'm sorry that I use words that you don't recognize. All right, can we get back to shout outs that are not STD affiliated? Julio Smith, Hannah Salamanca, Rachel Baker, Victoria, Antoinette. Caitlin Mollard. Lance Gomez. Chelsea rose. A lot of a lot of the female interest this week that's sure did a lot but this podcast I'm sure, as we talked about STD
Nick VinZant 41:41
actually have about most that half of our audience is women.
John Shull 41:44
It's probably because we're so good looking. Kenny Alvarez Nolan Robinson
Nick VinZant 41:50
horn because we're of non threatening androgynous looking males, right like these guys ain't gotta worry about them for shit. And Tyrone
John Shull 41:57
Anderson finally got through my shout outs but there they are. Alright, so let's let's get to a little bit of Profoundly Pointless factor fiction. No, okay. Boo Boo Boo papa, papa, papa. All right. So let's see. So, if you haven't tuned in yet, I basically asked Nick for things and he's done. You done pretty well, actually. Differentiating what's fact and what isn't? One time you even were wrong, and you still took it to the masses. And you, you and your cult followers still thought you were right, which you weren't. But regardless, we'll start off with this one here. Let's see. cracking your knuckles will give you arthritis. No. That is actually
Nick VinZant 42:49
true. No, it's not.
John Shull 42:51
No it's not. You're right. Absolutely. Right. So really cracking your your Oh boy. Let me get back and focus here. Actually, hold on.
Nick VinZant 42:59
Can be a while.
John Shull 43:01
What is wrong with this thing? Is your heads
Nick VinZant 43:03
bright red and the camera doesn't know where to focus
John Shull 43:06
anyways. Yes, cracking your knuckles does not give you arthritis actually really has nothing to do with your joints in general. All right, let's let's go to another one here. Ah, dueling is legal in Paraguay.
Nick VinZant 43:26
I know it's legal. Some places I have no idea about the interim. How would I know if it's legal in Paraguay?
John Shull 43:33
You just have to answer the question, Nicholas.
Nick VinZant 43:36
Yes.
John Shull 43:37
Wow, fantastic. According to this article that was put on CNN, but 10 years ago, it's only legal However, both parties are registered blood and organ donors.
Nick VinZant 43:51
Oh, that's a good idea for them. As you imagine, like going through all that, it's like, all right, it's time to duel. Well wasn't, I know you gotta be. I've got no problem with that. If two people wanted to fight it out to the death and have a duel, I got no problem with that. I got no problem with that. I don't generally have a problem with people getting in a fight with each other. Like I would never be like, if two guys were having an argument and then got into a fight. And it was just over like something benign, right? Like not something illegal had transpired before that but if two guys just got in a fight I'm not calling the cops. Like I'm just gonna watch it. I just wonder like, what are their fighting? So like,
John Shull 44:37
when I see this I wonder like, what are they doing with like, are they use a nine millimeters are they using revolvers? Samurai swords?
Nick VinZant 44:45
If you are going to have a duel? How would you do it?
John Shull 44:49
I would go with love with a like a bullet like a gun I would not want to get I don't. I will show up to a gunfight. I do not want to walk into a sword fight.
Nick VinZant 45:01
I would do it where they gotta be like old timey pistols.
John Shull 45:05
I mean, you're gonna need a pretty big bullet to get through my carcass. Yes.
Nick VinZant 45:09
Yeah. Well, I mean, it's mostly soft.
John Shull 45:12
You kid me. Alright, next one here.
Nick VinZant 45:16
I got no problem. What do I got no problem with dueling. I think there's like if it was legal in Washington where I live and I was watching, I would actually go and watch it. Like if they had the dueling grounds because the dueling was legal. Like the biggest spectator sport in the world.
John Shull 45:33
So for some reason, this one was actually provided to me. While I was talking to the podcast, a couple of friends. And I didn't know this was true or not. So I'm curious to see what you say. But your stomach can dissolve. razorblades true or false? Oh, you got
Nick VinZant 45:49
like acid some of the strongest acid in the world is in your stomach, man, I would say yes.
John Shull 45:54
Three for three. Ding ding dang.
Nick VinZant 45:56
Yeah, your stomach acid. I don't remember what the scale is. But there's like the pH scale. And your stomach is like a two. It's like one of the highest acids around.
John Shull 46:05
It's yeah, it's quite incredible. Which makes you think No wonder the acid is so strong because all the chicken wings I
Nick VinZant 46:14
guess you got to be able to burn through man.
John Shull 46:18
All right, last one here. Walt Disney's body is cryogenically frozen.
Nick VinZant 46:23
I don't think that that's true.
John Shull 46:25
That is not true. It is a myth. That has been proven to not be true. Multiple times. But apparently, if anyone was wondering, he's been cremated and his physical body is long gone.
Nick VinZant 46:41
What do you want to be cremated? Yes. Just straight up cremated? Or do you want to be like planted as a tree?
John Shull 46:48
I mean, as of this point in my life, I'm fine with just being cremated. I think it's Wales way cheaper. It's less of a hassle on your family. You know, I just, I don't know. I don't really why would I my thought on it is why would I want to be put into a box, but into the earth? We're all going to decompose anyways. Or get eaten by things that eat through the box.
Nick VinZant 47:12
I mean, otherwise, you're just going to be turned into an urn and put on somebody's counter.
John Shull 47:16
I mean, maybe Big Lebowski me, just throw me into Danny's face on a cliff somewhere.
Nick VinZant 47:23
I would I for some reason, like I could be turned into like a bush. Like, like a blueberry bush. Like something that produces fruit, like I'm mixing me in with a bush or something.
John Shull 47:34
I mean, that would be kind of cool, I suppose. But knowing me like I will get taken out by a hurricane or something. Well, there it goes. Jones.
Nick VinZant 47:43
Thank you. But do you have any relatives that you go and visit their grave site?
John Shull 47:51
No,
Nick VinZant 47:53
I don't either. I would maybe I would if I lived in my hometown. But otherwise, no, I don't have anybody that I would go and visit.
John Shull 48:03
Yeah, I don't I don't know. I mean, a lot of my family is buried in Kentucky. So I wanted to go to visit them. I have to drive 10 hours but no, I don't even think I would if I lived there to be honest. Sorry, family.
Nick VinZant 48:17
I'm always surprised that you have family in Kentucky. Kentucky.
John Shull 48:20
Does that surprise you look at me. Seemed like more of a northern person. Oh, thank you with my red face. Yeah, like
Nick VinZant 48:27
you're allergic to the
John Shull 48:28
sun. Well, that is true.
Nick VinZant 48:29
Because you're too busy. Staying inside in your basement listening to your fancy records. That is
John Shull 48:34
not true, actually. All right. Are we ready for the? Oh, okay.
Nick VinZant 48:38
Okay. Okay. He's on it. It's, it's time off. The Outlaw candle connoisseur Rides Again, candle of the month. I still can't do a horse every once in a while. I'd like
John Shull 48:56
your system shakes when you do it.
Nick VinZant 49:00
That sounds like a horse. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah, it's not bad.
John Shull 49:05
All right. Well, I was waiting for you to finish. So this was supposed to be a joke. First off, that I that I got about a year ago from a friend a co worker actually, who knew that I liked candles. So we'll start off with a with a with a company. It's called the magic Candle Company. I believe they are online only. But they specialize in kind of different scents since you don't you wouldn't expect so though I have three other scents I picked out and I let them all in the month of July on purpose. I'm going to go with Tiki Terez as my candle of the month by magic Candle Company it magically transport you to
Nick VinZant 49:52
ensure it's not Tiki terrorists
John Shull 49:54
could be terrorists could be terrorists. I was you know that's one of those words. You don't know if it's tariffs today. As
Nick VinZant 50:00
war is spelled, you could look it up.
John Shull 50:03
It's terrorist, our AC II to race to race that it would give a little little substance to the to the candle, but
Nick VinZant 50:15
Tiki, hey, tell us about the can or what's the smell? How's the burn time?
John Shull 50:20
I want everyone else want everyone to just take a second here. Close your eyes we're going to transport a magical place. With hot Polynesian men holding Tiki things. And it smells like burnt ashes in ocean in suntan lotion. And it's fantastic. I know it's an all in all serious. It's one of those candles that I've been waiting, like I had to go deep into the back shelf. And I was like, You know what? These look fun. I'll try them. And this one was, it was good. I don't know how else to explain it. It's pretty quick. Like they're not very big candles. It was like a 10 hour burn. But I did let it burn all the way through. It's only one wick a woodwick. Which creates a natural cracking sound. But yeah, they're good. I mean, it's it was refreshing. Put it on and a couple of beers, watch TV show. Good. Good,
Nick VinZant 51:18
then I don't think of I can't imagine a lot of woodwick candles, would we
John Shull 51:23
would wick? Well, you know, they're starting to come around a lot of the small independents, candle makers use them. They provide a little more natural feel sound. But yeah, check about magic Candle Company. They have plenty of different scents, but to Tiki terrace is the one that I recommend. You know I got the large or my burns. I think the large candle which is probably 20 bucks or so. went pretty fast. So might want to grab a few if you're going over there.
Nick VinZant 51:55
Can you I'm not familiar with the sounds of different wicks. Could you give us an example of what the woodwick sounds like?
John Shull 52:03
Oh, I mean, I don't know if I could do it justice. But it's like
Nick VinZant 52:09
oh, don't stop. I mean, you asked for it. I didn't realize it was one of the worst sounds imaginable.
John Shull 52:16
I mean, I don't know it's it's hard to recreate but think of think of being by a fire and you hear the crackles of the wood with the there's like a hidden there's a lot of cracking like
Nick VinZant 52:31
oh yeah, that's not like because the sound that you were making sounds like what it sounds like when somebody dips something in ranch and eats it. Like oh, that's just disgusting sounding like That's great. Oh, I hate that sound.
John Shull 52:44
Anyways, Tiki terrace magic Candle Company. Check them out. I actually don't know a lot about them other than I got a couple candles, maybe as a gag gift. But they ended up turning out to be fantastic. Fantastic. So
Nick VinZant 52:58
how jealous were you of the fact that I walked past a candle making studio the other day?
John Shull 53:06
I would love it. Actually, if we could ever take this podcast to where I could just do candles. That would be a dream. Come on, but you know what? We should get candles with you in mind
Nick VinZant 53:18
with you and me on them. This in our faces face scandal?
John Shull 53:22
Yeah, Profoundly Pointless. Like you know, we're gonna have the autographs on it. Maybe you me your mind even my
Nick VinZant 53:28
face and our pictures on the candle? Yeah. Do they make candles like gigs where you could get your face as a candle?
John Shull 53:33
Oh, yeah. Go on Pinterest at sea. I mean, there's all kinds of companies I actually was just gifted. And I thought about making this the candle the month but it wouldn't make any sense. Really, but a Pinterest and my wife had like a custom candle made. And it's the rock for SummerSlam because my wife is the best.
Nick VinZant 53:53
God Yeah, well. Man's Yeah, she definitely wants you to leave for the weekend. Oh, yeah. Have a real man come in. I mean, she's gonna have a go Friday and Saturday, actually, maybe even Thursday. You know what, Thursday through Monday? Just go ahead. And I mean, your time?
John Shull 54:12
Aren't you flying in? Aren't you coming in?
Nick VinZant 54:15
I would like that's one of those events. Now. If it was Wrestlemania. I would like that's one of those events that like, oh, I would like to attend that I don't even care about going in. But I would like to attend for the atmosphere. Like the Super Bowl, or the five finals or the World Cup or the WrestleMania. Like something that you'd like, Oh, I bet that's a pretty cool atmosphere. I can care less about the event, but the atmosphere.
John Shull 54:35
I mean, that's it right? I mean, that's Yeah. Being there around all of our people. And I you know, and by our people, I mean, nerds wrestling nerds. I'm in it. I'm in it to win it completely.
Nick VinZant 54:50
Well represent us right now. Just proud. Are you ready? Are you ready for us? Are you ready?
Unknown Speaker 54:55
Yes, I am.
Nick VinZant 54:56
Yeah. All right. So our top five is top five John's What's your number five.
John Shull 55:03
So I am one through five, just John Shaw. Just one through five. Now I'm kidding. So this was actually a lot harder than I thought it was.
Nick VinZant 55:11
There's a big difference between modern John's and the historical John's I think that John is one of the names that has been declining over time. Most but I only put in John's that were influential in my lifetime.
John Shull 55:26
Okay, I'm similar, I suppose. My number five is Jon Stewart. Okay. Yeah, I mean,
Nick VinZant 55:37
I don't have an issue with that
John Shull 55:39
talk show host for years and now he's becoming an advocate for many, you know, actually important things so you know, he Yeah, I might seem a week number five. But when you think about it, he deserves at least at least a place somewhere near the top five John's.
Nick VinZant 55:57
My number five is John Cena. I think that he is somebody who not as influential as a lot of other John's, but he did some things that were kind of cultural iconic moments, right? Like, you can't see me. So many people still like that was a big deal. He was he's a pretty famous person. He's a pretty famous John.
John Shull 56:20
He is. I don't think he deserves to be on the list. But, um, my number four is a tie because I couldn't decide which musician to put on. So I'm gonna put them both at at number four. And that's going to be John Lennon. Can you guess the
Nick VinZant 56:38
the other John? Probably my number four of John Denver? No,
John Shull 56:42
Johnny Cash is my number.
Nick VinZant 56:45
Oh, my number four is John Denver. I think that John Denver is probably a more influential person than Johnny Cash. Maybe not as good of a musician. I don't know enough about music. But I think that more people know John Denver is and Johnny Cash.
John Shull 57:00
I would say for all three of those individuals. Maybe Maybe Maybe John Lennon nine not included, but it's really like a genre thing. Right? Like any one country bluesy. Maybe rocky knows Johnny Cash. John Denver, top folk rock, but it's contrary. Yeah, but I mean, he was more of a folk. You know, I mean, I don't know. It's hard to say they're both icons. They both deserve to be on the list. John Lennon is just I mean, he's just, he'll be remembered forever as maybe the best John musician ever.
Nick VinZant 57:34
See, but he's one of the ones that like, I know that he's famous. But I don't know what he actually supposedly did besides being a member of The Beatles. I mean, I don't know if he wrote a lot of the songs. Or I know that he was kind of famous social, like socially famous as well. But the thing with Johnny Cash is like, I know Johnny Cash, his name and his look far more than I actually I don't actually couldn't name them. I couldn't actually, if you were to give me a quiz between Is this a Willie Nelson song or a Johnny Cash song? I don't think I would know. I'm not sure if I know any Johnny Cash songs.
John Shull 58:11
Well, that's absurd. And to save you from getting ridicule. Yes, John Lennon probably more more famous as a songwriter than an actual musician. But I only say that just because he was an amazing songwriter. Obviously, the Beatles broke out, you know, imagine is one of the greatest songs ever. That's why it's withstood the test of time. And then obviously, he wasn't social
Nick VinZant 58:34
way that he did that. I didn't realize I was him. And the the way that he
John Shull 58:37
was killed was you know, obviously, just another segment of his legacy.
Nick VinZant 58:44
Okay, which number three?
John Shull 58:45
This one is a complete Homer pick. But I'm putting it out there anyways. and my Number three is John Candy.
Nick VinZant 58:52
Oh, okay. Not not
John Shull 58:55
that well known? Probably internationally. Definitely. Not today, I'm sure. But man, when he was at the top of his game, you know, back in the late 80s, early 90s. He was definitely an actor that, you know, you could probably go to 2030 countries around the world and they would know who he was.
Nick VinZant 59:11
He was that I actually have John Candy is my number two. I think he he's one of those actors along the lines of Tom Hanks, Robin Williams. That's just universally beloved. I mean, nobody's got to complain about John Candy.
John Shull 59:27
You can't say that he was the most healthiest of humans. But he was apparently a great a great person.
Nick VinZant 59:34
Yeah, yeah. I don't think that there's a lot of actors that you can kind of point to the downside of them that they were jerks, or that they were this or that they were that but John Candy seemed to be universally beloved. Um,
John Shull 59:47
so what's your number three?
Nick VinZant 59:48
My number three is going to have to be I think Johnny Depp. I don't really I'm not a huge fan, but I think that you have to acknowledge that he's pretty famous.
John Shull 59:58
Yeah, I mean, he's, I mean, how many major franchises has he been been a part of other than, you know, obviously pirates. My thing with him is, he's like Nicolas Cage to me. Like, he's, I mean, he's gonna go down as good. He's gonna go down as one of the greatest ever, but it's at the same point. It's like he had such an up and down career if he didn't get that Disney partnership like Nicolas Cage did with the last treasure movies or whatever they're called last treasure. Treasure and I know a lot of people out there especially some my friends are gonna be rolling their eyes right now and saying that depth and Nicolas Cage his best stuff was in the 90s before he went mainstream. That's not my point. My point is would he be remembered? If he didn't get that Disney contract to do the series of pirates movies?
Nick VinZant 1:00:47
I see what you're saying. That's kind of a hard question. Right? Like would that definitely launched him to another level higher than Nicolas Cage? Like people knew who he was? Nicolas Cage is not when the greatest actress of generation right like come on now. That's ridiculous. No, definitely no Johnny Depp's a little bit more famous. Lose. So later we then at you're reaching number one.
John Shull 1:01:09
Now, where am I number two? Oh, okay. Okay, which is Johnny Carson.
Nick VinZant 1:01:14
Well, you can make an argument, he kind of started that whole late night thing, but it was before my time. Well, that's
John Shull 1:01:19
but and yes, once again, we sound like old comergence I know. Probably a lot of the younger generation that listens is gonna go. Who was that? But he was like the founding father of late night television. I mean, you anybody from 1980 on? Yeah, he was. Yeah, I mean, Gi. So I had to put him somewhere. And I you know, I feel number two was was a good spot for him.
Nick VinZant 1:01:45
Yeah. John and I are both childs of the 80s. Right. So Johnny Carson was still probably doing it when we were I remember if I was to think of that show, I kind of remember Jay Leno's run more than Johnny Carson. It was like Jay Leno's when?
John Shull 1:02:01
Yeah, so I'm growing up. I'm looking it up right now. So he was. So he did.
Nick VinZant 1:02:07
I bet he did it till 92.
John Shull 1:02:10
Ah, hold on one second here.
Nick VinZant 1:02:13
I'm actually interested. Like what his run was?
John Shull 1:02:18
I know if I was good at this, I'd be able to find it.
Nick VinZant 1:02:22
Do you know how to search on the internet? Yeah, I
John Shull 1:02:24
tried to search the internet. So it was October 1 of 1962. To may 22. of 1992. So
Nick VinZant 1:02:33
Oh, are yours? I was right. I said 92.
John Shull 1:02:38
Yeah. And then and then. And then I think Leno took over probably shortly thereafter, if not immediately, and the Leno did it until what? Their mid 2000s 2000 10s.
Nick VinZant 1:02:50
Yeah, I never liked the guy who's doing it. Now. I'm not even mentioned his name, but it's pandering and it's like he doesn't even get a mention doesn't get mentioned. Here's your number one. Oh, ah, you can't say John Cena.
John Shull 1:03:04
No, it is not John Cena stupid. I am just gonna say John Madden.
Nick VinZant 1:03:12
He's not number one man. But I mean, he's pretty influential in that field,
John Shull 1:03:17
but multiple fields from a football coach and football, to being a spokesperson for some of the most catchiest products telefax internet boom to a video game franchise. But not just boys. But I mean, girls, too. I mean, Madden, from what 1997 Until today, it's still I mean, I don't know the numbers, but has to be one of the highest selling sports franchises ever. And he hasn't been involved with it probably since the late 1990s. I
Nick VinZant 1:03:50
mean, he is dead.
John Shull 1:03:54
Yes, he is dead now. But yeah, I don't know. I just, it just made sense made sense to me.
Nick VinZant 1:04:02
I, I can buy this argument that for our generation and younger, he might be the most influential John. In some ways. Everybody doesn't know who he is. My number one is kind of along those lines. And I think that not only is he the number one John, but he is the singular talent on this list is John Williams, the composer who did Star Wars, Harry Potter, et all those things. I think John Williams is the number one John of our lifetime.
John Shull 1:04:39
I mean, John Williams is he's yes, if you're gonna go deep. That's a deep dive.
Nick VinZant 1:04:43
That's a deep dive pick, but I think he's a number one John.
John Shull 1:04:49
He's definitely an honorable mention if and maybe educated folks, folks who like research John's would say him, but just as Like regular commonplace John's now he wouldn't be you know, he's a behind the scenes guy No one knows not
Nick VinZant 1:05:05
have assigned to that he's that behind the scenes guy that was so singularly talented that he was elevated to common knowledge like people know who John Williams is they know that music. Do you want me to do the list Star Wars Harry Potter Jurassic Park, ET, like he has scored some of the biggest films ever. And made those films in some ways.
John Shull 1:05:28
I am not saying that he should not be on the list. I'm just saying, if we're going in terms of you know, if you're basing your list a little bit about popularity and knowing the person, then he wouldn't be on the list if you're going cultural. You know, cultural importance. Yes, by far.
Nick VinZant 1:05:47
I think a lot of more people know who John Williams is and you get credit for
John Shull 1:05:51
i I'm probably wrong, usually
Nick VinZant 1:05:54
who's your who's in your honorable mention.
John Shull 1:05:58
So I got John Travolta didn't really want to put them on there. But I feel like he felt the
Nick VinZant 1:06:03
same way about John Travolta but not really. in our lifetimes. He hasn't really been in that many percents Pulp Fiction. He hasn't really been in that many big movies in our lifetime.
John Shull 1:06:13
Do you have John Wayne John Denver? I put Jon Bon Jovi Amana music kick. John Fabbro or Fabbro Bevo. Yeah, and then I have John Goodman, but
Nick VinZant 1:06:28
I could see John Goodman, but I don't think that John Barrow that maybe? The problem is, is that he shifted a little bit more behind the scenes.
John Shull 1:06:40
I mean, your number one was a guy who's done nothing but be behind the scenes. Yeah, but
Nick VinZant 1:06:44
he was so good at it that he broke out. I don't think John fabro has done that yet. Um, I wanted to put Elton John on there. I don't know if that count quite counts though. He is it John in a way?
John Shull 1:06:57
No, it doesn't count. Um,
Nick VinZant 1:07:02
pretty much nobody else I mean, I think the historical John's if he went with it, the people that like had influences before our lifetimes. John F. Kennedy.
John Shull 1:07:12
You Herbie Hancock, who, John Hancock, you know, you know the joke out of Tommy Boy, Herbie Hancock, no. Okay.
Nick VinZant 1:07:22
That's the worst Intel joke that nobody gets.
John Shull 1:07:26
is the worst,
Nick VinZant 1:07:27
John Hancock though, but I would say John F. Kennedy is probably, if you polled people, maybe who are in their 50s and older he would be number one.
John Shull 1:07:37
He'd be up there for sure. Definitely.
Nick VinZant 1:07:39
John Wayne would too. I haven't rant about John Wayne, do you hear my John Wayne ran? Sure. I have always been fascinated that he became like the epitope of American manliness, patriotism. And all those kinds of things like he became the epitone of manliness serving your country. But he didn't actually fight in the war. He became famous for making movies about a war that he didn't fight it.
John Shull 1:08:06
I mean, because he was that good of an actor. I guess. There were plenty of World War Two actors that actually went into the war and came out and were superstars. I see. I wouldn't say John Wayne was wasn't like a, you know, I don't know, whatever is defined manliness.
Nick VinZant 1:08:23
He was famous though, for being like the American man. And he didn't fight in the war where so many other people I just find that fascinating that he's held up as this virtue of like, man, but yet he didn't go fight in the war when everybody else did.
John Shull 1:08:38
Who is the the epitope as you said, multiple times already, of American manliness to you now.
Nick VinZant 1:08:50
Like a man's man, a man's man. I don't think anybody I don't think that there's anybody that you would point to now and say like that's, that's the epitone of American manliness, a man's man across all thing.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:04
I would agree with you.
Nick VinZant 1:09:06
Oh, okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps us out and let us know who you think are some of the best John's. I really think that if you did this list over the last 100 or 200 years, the list is completely different. But John's have kind of fallen off in the last couple of decades. I don't think that we have as strong of John's right now, as we did in the past. Except for John Candy. I mean, John Candy is fantastic.
