Roshan Melwani is probably the most famous Bespoke Tailor in the the world. His clothes have been worn by everyone from athletes and actors to Presidents. We talk creating custom clothing, style and why tailored clothes are skyrocketing in popularity. Then, we countdown a special clothes related Top 5.
Roshan Melwani: 01:26
Pointless: 30:36
Top 5: 56:01
Interview with Tailor Roshan Melwhani
Nick VinZant 0:11
Welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant. Coming up in this episode, high end tailoring, and the best
Roshan Melwani 0:20
clothes, dollar for dollar pound for pound, I'm the best on the planet bespoke clothing is, it is so sought after right now, because it's cut absolutely perfectly for you. It's your second skin. It's your Spider Man costume. It is a big process. It is a big investment of time, and effort, and sometimes heartache. But we manage that Howdy,
Nick VinZant 0:45
I want to thank you so much for joining us, if you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review, we really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So our first guest might be the most famous tailor in the world. And what I think is so interesting is how these clothes are made, the style, and why custom clothing has suddenly become incredibly popular. This is bespoke tailor Rocha on Manwani, when we talk about creating clothing, is it hard to create a suit? Or is it hard to do it? Well?
Roshan Melwani 1:32
So what is hard is crossing the road, you could get run over by a car. Okay? Nothing else in life is hard. If you look at anything as hard, you might as well just, you know, go into your room and lock yourself up.
Nick VinZant 1:46
But is it? Is it difficult to make it by hand or to do it in a custom way?
Roshan Melwani 1:52
So you know, I mean, it's my team, it's more difficult for them to communicate in English than it is to make a suit. Okay, so no, they're experts. They have decades and decades and decades worth of experience. So I have a whole bunch of guys, a whole bunch of guys. So we're talking about dozens who worked with my family for over 50 years, they have been a tailor longer than both you and I have been alive.
Nick VinZant 2:20
Is that common in the industry where you find people that have just done this forever?
Roshan Melwani 2:26
It is extremely common when you talk about just the industry itself. But you have to remember that the industry is very small. So there's not millions of that. Okay, this scores of them. There's not even hundreds of them any anymore. Okay, it turned into scores this decade
Nick VinZant 2:43
is that just because people aren't paying for this anymore? Or because kind of mass produced, for lack of a better phrase, clothing is just more bodily fitting than it used to be?
Roshan Melwani 2:55
Completely neither. Nobody wants to grow up to be a tailor. Okay, that's all it is. And even if they look at all the people that follow me on Instagram, and Tiktok, all these young kids, they're dying to be me. Just dying. Okay, the adulation I get is just, wow, it's so flattering. It's so humbling. But they're not willing to get to that stage. I've been on the job. 24 years straight. Okay. But moreover, I grew up in this business. I've been coming to my shop since I was under 10. All right, like I said, the guys who have worked for me, there's so many of them who have done it for over 50 years, then 40 years, then 30 years, then 20 years. Not everyone is willing to work up to that stage. That's it.
Nick VinZant 3:41
But how long does it take to get really good at it? decades? Why, why is that? Why does it take so long?
Roshan Melwani 3:47
Because it's a hard job. It's done by hand. And people don't grow up anymore to do things by hand. So then they get to an age where they 1615 1718 is like, wow, this is sexy. We want to do this, but they don't have labor and, and handwork. In their physicality, or their mindset. You give them a needle in a thread. They don't know what the hell to do with it. And then it's hard. It's hard. Now, it doesn't matter if you're an 18 year old growing up in medieval times, and you're asked to become a tailor. Because since birth, all you've been doing is stuff with your hands. But if you're 18 years old now, and you want to become a bespoke tailor, and suddenly you have to do stuff with your hands. But since birth, all you've done is play with your iPad. It's very difficult. So it's not hard for me to do what I do, but it's very hard for people to break into this industry. And it's got nothing to do with off the rack clothing fitting better. Far from it. It's garbage. Off the rack clothing costing less no chance. My price competitive advantage is second to none. Based on what I have to offer dollar for dollar pound for pound. I'm the best on the planet. And it's nothing to do with Enzo All right bespoke or that there's no demand for bespoke clothing, bespoke clothing is it is so sought after right now than it has ever been at any stage.
Nick VinZant 5:13
What's What do you think then is fueling that demand? Why is it suddenly all? Why is it suddenly so high?
Roshan Melwani 5:19
You understand how hot guys look in the school clothes? I think it will do look good on you put a suit on you walk through the door. Everyone was like, oh my god, I love a man suit. I love a man in a suit has has been the line one of the lines for half a century or more. Me Mad Men. Mad Men gets on TV. Everybody loves madmen. Everybody loves the suits, suits, suits comes on TV. I can't watch trash like that. Everybody loves suits. Everybody wants to wear a suit to see a guy in a suit. Barney Stinson suit up the smoke this group of eight holes who don't want to wear suits, we can be the suit wears. Got 16 or 17 or 18 or tiny wear suit. Oh my god, you really love getting dressed up. And they love me. Right? Because I bring so much fun to this. And it's not boring.
Nick VinZant 6:08
For Okay, so I kind of get the idea of why a custom made or a tailored or a bespoke suit or bespoke clothing would look better. But what is it about it kind of specifically like okay, why does it look better on somebody than off the rack clothing? What about it?
Roshan Melwani 6:25
First of all, it looks better on anybody than off the rack clothing because it's cut absolutely perfectly for you. It's your second skin. It's your Spider Man costume. Nothing is cut homogenously. Okay, both shoulders are cut different both arm lengths are cut different both arm holes are cut different. Both pecs are cut different. Both love handles are cut different. Both quads, both hammies both buttocks, both cards are cut different. It's cut perfect for you. How hot is Aquaman? Superman, Batman Spider Man look in their costume. That's what a bespoke suit suit. Is it your costume? You I mean, you look so good. You look like the Gladiator. And I perfected that. I've taken that to another extreme. I started off doing skin fit because I love skin fit Spider Man stuff. But not every guy could rock a skin fit. Okay, not every guy was comfortable rocking a skin fit. So it was a short face and everyone wanted the Roshanda one skin fit suit. So we then developed the for defect were everywhere. Just followed the contours of your body and nearly stuck to you. So you were just basically gift wrapped in my full defect. And, and guys are loving it.
Nick VinZant 7:36
But does that work if somebody maybe doesn't have, let's say, the best the best body in the world,
Roshan Melwani 7:42
this is about everyone's body. This is not about the best body. No chance off the rack is potentially about the best one. My suits are about a client's mind about the client's vision. I am the suit whisperer. I don't talk to the suit. I talk to the client, I get inside the client's head, like bring their vision to life. They may not all want slim fit. They may want a full of fit, a classic fit, a throwback fit, whatever fit. But they will be different. And nobody does it like me. And it is just pristine what we create. And you don't have to take my word for it. There's 9000 videos of guys on my Instagram. All right, just beaming goes as well, excuse me, beaming and the suits that I've made it and they fits in perfectly. They get to pick the fabric designed to suit we have a buffet of style attributes for them to pick from. You get to pick the interior, the buttons, the works, and the bonuses. It fits in perfectly better than anything they can buy off the rack. And cheaper than anything they can borrow throughout. I mean, I'm in a renaissance right now of my own creation.
Nick VinZant 8:49
I love that line, man.
I'm so finally for the process, right? Like obviously, this is a big process, but kind of walk me through okay, I'm gonna get a suit made. What happens like what do you do? How does it get made? How does this all kind of come together?
Roshan Melwani 9:07
It is a big process. It is a big investment of time and effort. And sometimes heartache will be manage that heartache. Now there's two ways to do it. One you either meet me in Hong Kong, or two we never meet. And I work with people who either come and meet me in Hong Kong or who I've never met. Let's start with the Hong Kong party. You come into my store into my Italian. I mentioned. All right. We pick the fabrics. We pick the styles, the buttons, we pick the we create the essence of the suit, the foundation of it, what is the suit for are you 21 going to interview for KPMG? Or is this for your 25th wedding anniversary and you're having a bowl celebration of the Ritz Carlton, whatever it may be may be graduation, maybe maybe your Bar Mitzvah. It can be anything. You could need a divorce suit. All right, whatever you want. We talk about how you want it to make you feel, how you want to feel inside of it, and then you go away. And then if you come in the morning, I could see you as early in the afternoon, or I'd probably see the following afternoon. What I've done in between is that explain to each and every member of my team, what exactly we're going to create. And they go and do that. And part of their bid is to draw a paper cutting of the clients body based on the measurements that we've just took. All right, but complete paper cutting, and then put cloth on that cutting and carve out that cloth. So literally cut and carve out the body parts, and then sew together a based fitting where it's the shell of the suit. Without the inner canvasser you come in, and then you try on that shell, we pin stitch chalk around you talk to you about you know, the length of fit, etcetera, etcetera, make you walk, make you squat, make you set, you then go away. And then we finish the suit with the inner canvassing, in lining, then the buttonholes and the buttons, you come back the next day and try it on, it's perfect, I'm not perfect, give us a few hours, we'll make it perfect. So that's one facet of the second facet is I never meet you, you send me your measurements through the measurement chart on my website. And then I make you something amazing. We hop on a video call. And I talk, I figure out who you are, what you're thinking I would do, where you're with, whether you're in the store or not, I either send you links to fabrics for you to peruse, okay, or you choose something off mindset, or we do a live call, and you go through the fabrics just like you would be in the store, I'll be showing you fabrics. All right, I have tons and tons of fabric books. Okay, tons and tons and tons of fabric books that you can look at, of all different shapes and sizes, you can send me a photo of us of a style that you like, and we can take the best from it. I can sketch something for you, I can do anything you want for you. Very, very, very simple. I could spend hours talking about what I could do for you. I asked you a couple of questions, I say, we'll get off the phone, you go and find the best fitting suit in your wardrobe. You tell me the size and the brand of it, put it on, get your apartment to shoot a video of you. Let me see how you look in a suit. And what makes you feel good and what you don't like, okay, then send me a couple of photos. I don't need your face. I want you standing shirtless. If you're a woman with a T shirt, I mean, with a tank top. I want to see your neck down to your hips from the front, both sides in the back so I can see your shoulder structure, then I build you the suit. And I wouldn't be in business. If it wasn't nearly perfect all the time. It's not an investment. Because it's cheap. 650 bucks us is nothing. What will you pay in California, in New York, in Florida, in Italy, in London, in Japan, in Paris, oh my goodness, you pay many times more and you still won't get the attributes that I offer. The vestment is the time if you're in Hong Kong, I need to see you a few times. The vestment is the time if you're abroad, you need to do your homework from
Nick VinZant 13:09
for someone who's doing what you're what you're doing your caliber of work. You said I think 650 For a suit American. If this was in New York or Paris, what would what would your kind of services like in New York or Paris cost? So
Roshan Melwani 13:25
specifically what I do 10 times more at least
Nick VinZant 13:27
6500 Whoa.
Roshan Melwani 13:31
Who? Without a doubt, I'm not sure I'm not making this stuff up.
Nick VinZant 13:34
How long would it take? You know, how long does it generally take to make a suit?
Roshan Melwani 13:39
Look, I can make a suit in a day. If you're Cristiano Ronaldo, okay. Because you'll pay the OT. And I'm gonna put you to the front. Because it's a once in a lifetime thing to work with Cristiano Ronaldo, or Tom Brady. Do you understand what I'm saying? You forgot to do that. Okay, I want me to seven suits for Russell Crowe and seven shirts and 25. Okay, but I can't do that for everybody. No. Can anyone pay to take my whole team for one day? Okay. I need at least a few days, ideally. But at least a few weeks, which is better. All right. If I'm rushing, you may get the great skill work, but you won't get my creativity. Jonas, I would say because I'm managing so many projects all the time imagining so many individuals, right. Think about the amount of clients that I have. But, you know, I would say if you're in Hong Kong, we can knock it out in a few days. So probably.
Nick VinZant 14:36
I thought it would be longer than that. I really thought you were going to tell me like a month or two.
Roshan Melwani 14:40
It can it depends on the client. Right? It depends on the client's physicality. All right, it depends on the clients. I don't know fuzziness is not a nice word. Right.
Nick VinZant 14:51
I know what you mean like they're right. Particular?
Roshan Melwani 14:54
Yes. So it all depends on all depends on a workload that day, whether it's a holiday weekend. I mean, is it during Chinese New Year? Is it Christmas weekend? Is it Easter weekend? Is it some big Chinese festival? Is it Indian New Year? It's very relative. Okay, but it's safe to say that if you're in Hong Kong for a week, and you see us on your first day, you'll be leaving with an immaculate suit, the best food you ever had by the end of the week, okay? And if you have a big event coming up, say to graduation, your wedding, you want to give and we're not going to meet right? Then you need to give me a couple of months because we don't allow for the time that you know, it does get you and car tweaks that you want. I gotta pick it up and I gotta send it back to you. Now, most of the delay doesn't come from me. Most of the delay comes if you're in Hong Kong. Can you meet me tomorrow? No, I have a tour. New I have a meeting. Okay. Most of the delay doesn't come from me. Can you get me those photos that I need? Y'all get a few broke? I'm waiting on the photos. I'm waiting on the video. Yeah, I'll get my girlfriend to shoot it this weekend. Do you enjoy everything mostly delayed doesn't come from us.
Nick VinZant 15:52
Now when you make it like are people mainly using sewing machines, are they doing this by hand
Roshan Melwani 15:59
all by hand. The only thing done by machine is the buttonholes. The only thing done by machine is a buttonholes. We can make them by hand. It takes way too much time. Okay, think about how many buttonholes on jacket how many jackets we make. Okay, yeah, so anything done by machines, but it also we can make it by hand the client requests, but they gotta pay the OT for that. Virtually everything comes in one class, the rush on the money couture class. Okay, I don't really wear handmade buttonholes. But if you really want handmade bundles, and you're willing to pay a little bit extra and willing to wait a little bit longer than we'll do it for you. But there's so many attributes that we offer that this a Melanie's buttonholer handmade but no, it's for like a boring suit for a guy who has tons of cash and wears the most boring suits. And the only thing he can show off is his handmade buttonhole. I'm not knocking it I'm putting into perspective for you. Are you
Nick VinZant 16:48
ready for some harder slash listener submitted questions?
Roshan Melwani 16:51
Listen, you can take me apart. So best colors of suits. So if you don't want to suit you want to buy a black suit, you can wear it to everything, then you the next one you do is a blue and the next one you do is a gray, dark gray. Okay, then you add a slightly lighter blue than you had slightly lighter gray, then you add a blue pattern. So check, then you had a great pattern. So check, then you had a great stripe, then you add an extra blue stripe and a gray stripe. Then you do a page suit. Okay, and then you've got your foundation. So then you are a dark green. And then after that doesn't matter what you do.
Nick VinZant 17:24
What would you what are the kind of the most popular colors right now?
Roshan Melwani 17:26
Right now green, dark green, dark green is so hot. Every other guy wants a dark gray suit. And I predicted this troll back at all my live streams. Two years ago, I said the start of 2022. I said green is the hottest color. Now everybody's buying green.
Nick VinZant 17:41
What do you think's going to be after that? Then? We're going to go big on page. What do you think makes like what would How would you define like style?
Roshan Melwani 17:51
Confidence? And that's basically it.
Nick VinZant 17:56
Yeah, that's you only need one word answer right there. Don't you just confidence. But for somebody who's maybe not confident? How do they become?
Roshan Melwani 18:05
Then you come to me, okay? Because I fill you with courage. I teach you how to be brave, or at least pretend to that is my forte. I teach my clients everything. And bravery is one of them. I tell the woman, very few women that are that are very close to my life that I can actually open up to. So the one thing I can teach my kids is bravery, is courage is confidence. I can teach that to my clients and I do every single day. That's why they love working.
Nick VinZant 18:32
hardest piece of clothing of the suit to make
Roshan Melwani 18:36
the shoulders right, everybody shoulders are so different. The shoulders are the foundation of a suit. It starts up here and it hangs from it. So it's all about the shoulders. It's all about the shoulders. Everybody shoulders a messed up. They're not straight. They're bumpy. One hangs low, one hands higher. One hands forward, one hangs back. One is wider. One is narrow. The shoulders, you have to nail the shoulders, Emil the shoulders, everything falls from it. You can kneel everything else. So the shoulders are shitting nothing will fall right?
Nick VinZant 19:07
Hardest part of the body to kind of hide.
Roshan Melwani 19:10
You cannot hide anything. That is That is nonsense. So every woman that comes in here, and that's worried about their weight. Okay. So I want this a bit fuller. I've said this to every woman in my life and every woman. I've said Darling, you cannot hide anything. Okay, nothing can be hidden. So the best thing is to show it off. I tell women, you can't hide anything. But if you let me show it all. Everyone who's looking at you will think you're sexy. And that's what I do.
Nick VinZant 19:40
What did you say would be the best fabric like what's your favorite fabric to work with?
Roshan Melwani 19:45
lightweight wool.
Nick VinZant 19:47
Is that what what are most suits made out of like if I was to buy something off most high end suits was high end suits are made from lightweight, lightweight wool. That's probably the most common thing. What Why? Why that? What's the why it's
Roshan Melwani 19:58
so fine. It's woven. So Well, it doesn't wrinkle. It's like skin. So it's easy to create it into a second skin.
Nick VinZant 20:05
Where do people generally get it wrong? Like when they buy a suit? What is it? What are they? Is it the pattern? The color the fit? Like? If it's the fit, like where do they messed it up in the fit?
Roshan Melwani 20:17
The two things, okay? What is it? They don't know how they're supposed to dress. They have all these weird rules, okay, that people follow to it's not paying for high end attributes. Okay. plastic buttons, unfunctional pockets, shitty padding and say the shoulders. Yeah, I'm saying like, like, you've got to understand something, if you're not going to come to me. You don't have to spend big bucks. But then at least go to Hugo Boss. Go to Suitsupply. Go to Ted Baker. Go to Paul Smith. All right. These are major brands, mass production, a lot of thought and design, great quality control, great value. In their brand. They hold great value in their own brand. About the same price point as me a little bit higher. But author
Nick VinZant 21:10
style that you wish would go away style that you wish would come back.
Roshan Melwani 21:14
Slim Fit is here to stay. baggy clothing is just for lazy people. You heard me say, all right. We as a as humanity in general, should vote against baggy clothing. What is
Nick VinZant 21:27
their style, though? The current kind of trend with clothing that you like, Oh, I wish that would go away?
Roshan Melwani 21:32
It's a very narrow question that has no answer whatsoever. The world is so gigantic. You have men, women, elderly people, children. You have continents, countries, culture, religion, there is so much fashion out there. There is no such thing as a trend. Okay, there's so much fashion out there. There's no such thing as a trend. All right. I don't have any pet peeve. But anything right now, at all. I think the world is so currently educated is it is immense. It is immense how smart people are. And we can thank our phones. And we can thank influencers like myself, for educating people free of charge. I have no pet peeves about fashion at all. I think everyone's working hard to dress. Well. What I'm telling you is that if you want others to value you, then you need to value yourself.
Nick VinZant 22:31
How can I tell a good tailor from a really good tailor?
Roshan Melwani 22:35
It's all about trust. Okay? Your tailor no matter what will make you happy. If he's not making you happy, he's not your table. I may be better than your current tailor. So what if you're not comfortable working? Then what's the point? Every tailor is at different point in the curve. Some are much more patient. Some are like dictators and prima donnas. Some unfortunately just Yes, right? Yes, yes. Yes, yes. Okay. It's all about trust. It's all about feeling. If you like the guy the most, then he's your guy. What,
Nick VinZant 23:15
what generally kind of separates somebody's work, though, would you say it's the style that they do it with? Or is it the actual kind of technical ability so to speak,
Roshan Melwani 23:24
I would focus less on a technical ability, because you've got guys in Italy, New York, Paris, who are just so good, who are so good. And they charge those astronomical prices that I cannot afford, and you cannot afford? All right. So we've got to rule them out of the equation. Because they're not for the masses. I am. Okay, I am. And, and you know, my stuff, just it just hugs and fits so perfectly. It's just the see a symphony of beauty. And if you see a symphony, if you see a suit, you walk into tailor shop. First of all, the guy should have 30 or 40 suits waiting for 30 or 40 clients. If he doesn't, you're in the wrong place. Okay. sacral gravity suits if they if they they feel like the ocean, okay, then he's your God. You're saying? If they look like they from gos banks or Uniqlo or h&m or Zara, then get out of it. Right? It's all visual. It's very, it's very easy to tell if the suit feels like plastic. If it feels like yucky, right? You get out of it. It feels like butter that you want to sleep. Right? He's your guy. Yeah. I mean, it's all human. Right? You use your senses touch and sight. Right? And then you'll know the answer will be that it's multi fold. There's no one thing, right? I can tell you some don'ts. A tailor shouldn't advertise. He doesn't need to. Okay. He doesn't need to put a big billboard up somewhere or something in a magazine. Right. He should be sought after. A deletion depend on stop Photography. All right, get some marketing companies to come in and do some beautiful photo shoots down the road garments should speak to them for themselves. Quick and Dirty photos are the best thing. If he doesn't believe in his quick and dirty photos and video, right, and he needs some guy to come in some team to come in and dress up his plays, then obviously, he's not confident when he hurts. He shouldn't have someone that he shouldn't have someone on the street, trying to bring you into his store. You shouldn't have some guy busking or whatever it's called busking. It's touting, right? These these many full powers. There's many full parts.
Nick VinZant 25:37
Can we do this real quick? Just for kind of examples sake, yeah. This is off the rack, or express. Looking at it if I'll step back, like where would this not really fit me?
Roshan Melwani 25:50
Okay, it doesn't fit you. But I'm not being a dick. Now stay there. Okay, just say that. The shoulders are very decent. Very, very, very, very decent. Okay. I'm happy with the shoulders. Both the way they fall down to the ends. And the way the collar sticks to your neck, very nice. The brush pocket looks like shit. It looks like come from manufactured press the brush the other side. Doesn't even look like it's real. Is it? No, they don't go. Sound like that. Right. So straightaway, that's, if I can see it off a screen from 1000 miles away. Right? You'll already right? And then from below it starts to hang like shit. Look at the waist. It just crinkles like like like a piece of shit. Right? So he's got the top right. Okay, which is the hardest part. Okay, so the understand the challenge, and they met the challenge. And then this is how they cut corners. And this is the problem with off the rat. Because it's so much cutting corners because as you come down, it just doesn't fit. You look at me.
Nick VinZant 26:59
Oh, yours fits way better. My This is
Roshan Melwani 27:01
immaculate. Okay, yeah, everything about it is a skin. You can see the 45th it just stuck to me. It is stuck to me everywhere. You can see the high armhole. You can see the roping on the shoulders, right? It's just clean, clean, clean. It flows it skin mine. Right. You can see the bucket of brass pocket and stuff, right? Like it is very for dead moves with my body. Okay, so I'll tell you the truth all the time. It's a great style to suit what you're wearing. If you're 21 years old. Okay, and you're gonna go interview for Deloitte. Yeah, that's a no, no.
Nick VinZant 27:36
That's what I noticed, like between your suit and kind of this is that as you move, the suit seems to move with you, as his poli sci was with me your space like a rock? Right? It doesn't it's because it doesn't go in those certain areas. Right? Exactly.
Roshan Melwani 27:51
So cut for you. It's cut for homogenous size. Minus he cut for me.
Nick VinZant 27:56
So have you been surprised? Like what? I guess, the social media success that you have, as that was that surprising to you that so many people were interested in this? Or did you kind of like think that no, if I could, if I could just expose this business, so to speak, that people would be interested in it.
Roshan Melwani 28:13
So I've always been successful, and I've inherited success. Okay. But what I've been quick to do is connect with different genres of people, different cultures and different generations. Social media is just an evolution of humanity. Okay. All right. It is not the key to my success in any way. It is just a free window to the world. Social media has just, it's just evolution. Right. And and it's scary for people, because they're not honest. Okay, then photographers and media teams to paint a picture of it. And I don't, I don't believe in that. To me, that's dishonest. So I've had success long before social media. Right. I've worked with every type of a list celebrity. There is. I've worked with three American presidents personally, you know, huge lists. For me to have done that. I work with President Clinton half a dozen times President Bush Senior twice. President Bush once okay. I work with said Desmond Tutu. I look ridiculous. People grow. I worked with Russell Crowe. I work with Terry Bradshaw. He was Brady before there was Tom Brady, do you understand it's a four time Super Bowl winning? Yeah, there's like 10 times Super Bowl MVP. Before there was Brady there was Terry Bradshaw and I've worked with him. Okay. So I've had I inherited success. And I built on that. And I haven't used social media hasn't given me more success. No. Social media has given me the free tools, which serves as a window for the rest of the world to see what I do day in day out. It's my own free reality TV.
Nick VinZant 29:53
I want to thank rose shone so much for joining us if you want to connect with him. We have a link to him on our social for media sites, or Profoundly Pointless on Twitter, tik, Tok, Instagram and YouTube, and we have also included his information in the episode description. If you want to learn more about how custom clothing is created, our YouTube interview with ro Shan will be live on April 6, and he is incredibly open and honest and active on his social media platforms. So if you want to learn more about this, his accounts are a great resource. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw, and get to the pointless part of the show. Have you ever felt like a stylish person?
John Shull 30:44
No, not ever? Easy, easiest question you've ever asked me on this podcast?
Nick VinZant 30:50
Have you ever tried to be stylish though? Like, do you feel like you could improve your style?
John Shull 30:57
I could definitely improve my style. And yes, I tried to be stylish multiple times throughout my life so far.
Nick VinZant 31:05
What's like how long if you're picking out clothes? How long is it going to take you before you make a decision? You're going to shop around? Are you just like, I need a shirt? There's a shirt. Got it?
John Shull 31:15
Um, what are they? There's a name for the shopper like me. I can't think of an hour. Basically, I'm the kind of shopper that I only go with what I what I have already. Like I don't really go outside of the boundaries very often.
Nick VinZant 31:29
So you basically have like, 30 blue shirts. Yeah,
John Shull 31:33
I will say I tried to be stylish and to different points of my life one when I was a teenager. And back in the late 90s, mid 90s There was a brand of jeans called Jenko jeans. Maybe they're still around to this day. I don't really know.
Nick VinZant 31:48
I think they actually made a comeback, but go on. But anyways, I
John Shull 31:51
was I was already a big kid. And then I wore these jeans that made me look even bigger. So that wasn't very smart. I don't know who approve that.
Nick VinZant 32:00
Would you be stylish though? Do you envy people who are stylish? Do you look at that? And like, Oh, I wish I was stopped?
John Shull 32:06
No, I don't I have no desire to be stylish. For one, I don't even know where to start. You could literally stick I somebody that stylish in front of me. And I'm probably not going to have any idea why they're stylish or why they're considered to be wearing something of style.
Nick VinZant 32:26
I would like to be stylish. I look at people who are stylish, and I'd be like, Oh, I would like to be like that. But I don't have a desire to put in any effort.
John Shull 32:36
Like most things in your life.
Nick VinZant 32:38
Yeah, that's the difficulty. Like I've always envied people who are stylish and like, I'd like to be stylish. But then it looks like a lot of work. And putting on gym shorts is not a lot of
John Shull 32:52
hair is probably the only thing where I'm like, Hmm, if I could be like, how have something a fashion it would be to have like good hair.
Nick VinZant 33:00
I've never I can't think of a single thing that I've ever had that I was like InStyle though.
John Shull 33:05
No, never accept though, like early 2000 and 10s. I did go through a skinny jeans phase.
Nick VinZant 33:16
Let's forget about that. Actually, let's just move let's just move right past that because let's just be honest, you're not the kind of man who should be wearing skinny jeans.
John Shull 33:27
Oh god. No, I mean, no. Though. This does bring me up to another another point or another question that I've always wondered people's opinions on. And that is do sizes really even matter? In terms of you know, for instance, I'm I'm an extra large shirt, some some places other places I'm a double XL, I can fit into a large and some brands. Like I feel like it's all garbage advertising
Nick VinZant 33:55
would the mean this size thing I think it's just like handy to kind of give you a basic reference for what kind of size shirt you should be buying.
John Shull 34:02
Let's try I think you've had this then. Since maybe you don't you know you don't get it with clothes with shoes, right? Like some shoes have more support for arches than other shoes like Nikes I have wide feet. So like sometimes it's hard for me to fit comfortably into a regular pair of Nikes
Nick VinZant 34:20
I think the problem here honestly quite frankly, is you I think that you expect for the world to be designed around you and for everything to fit you conveniently but that's not how it works like different manufacturers make shoes differently and some are not fit you and some will fit you everybody can't cater to John shelf.
John Shull 34:38
See? So you always turn it out round Oh see that's it's not even the thing. What I think there's people out there listening to this that are like Oh, I get where John's coming from maybe they're in the same boat. Maybe they felt the same way.
Nick VinZant 34:51
I mean, I've just never really put that much thought into it right like okay, I'm in this size in a Nike. Oh, but I'm not that size in an Adidas Well, I just change into the sighs and move on with my day. Right? Like if I put on the large and it doesn't fit? Well I go to the medium. He's writing letters to the CEO about it,
John Shull 35:09
I think I think a lot of it is is, you know maybe how you grew up always being kind of a skinny person I think it affects, you know, well no, no, I don't want to say that because obviously skinny people have body issues to body image issues too. But I think it affects you know, people my size more or less more often than other other people.
Nick VinZant 35:30
Oh, like you would be more self conscious, right? Like, wait a minute, I thought I was a large now you're telling me I'm an extra large?
John Shull 35:37
Yeah, I mean, like say you'll say I went on a diet, which will never happen. And I lose 10 pounds. And I go to the store McMahon I'm gonna fit back into largest and not one large fits. So I have to get extra large. And I feel like I've done nothing for the last three weeks.
Nick VinZant 35:52
Well, I mean, look, it's only three weeks, right? You gotta be in it for the long haul. I think you just gotta mean you can't take life's ebbs and flows so hard, right. You just gotta stay the course. It's a marathon man, not a sprint. Don't worry about it. If you fall down, you can just get back back up.
John Shull 36:06
You must have watched rocky again. In the past five days.
Nick VinZant 36:11
That's my general life philosophy. Doesn't matter if you fall John matters if you get back up.
John Shull 36:15
Well, I'm getting back up. All right. That's all that matters, man.
Nick VinZant 36:19
It's what I tell my kids every time they fall doesn't matter if you fall just get back up. That's all that matters. Okay, all right. You ready for some you ready to move on? Yes
John Shull 36:26
to give some some shout outs. All right, let's see here. We'll start off with Louise Mendez. Kam McLeod, Simon will can McMahon which also makes me shout out to my boys Shane McMahon came back at WrestleMania after like five years out of the ring and literally was in the ring for six seconds and Taurus quadricep so sucks to be him.
Nick VinZant 36:54
Didn't his dad do that? Didn't he tear both of his quadriceps getting into the ring? Yeah, like
John Shull 37:00
January of oh six or oh seven. Yeah. And then his dad sat there and still directed everybody
Nick VinZant 37:08
that's man I bet that hurt. Yeah, that's one of those injuries like tearing a muscle off the bone like that's like wow, I bet that's pretty bad. Can we revisit Simon will for a second I feel like well who will do it Simon will I feel like that joke gets made with the name Simon more than any other name that they could have right if it was like Max will Well Max will but Simon Simon sets up that joke more than any other name. I feel like I mean Simon Says right it's the Simon Says part of it was Peter. Nobody would be bothering him. Peter will. Who is going to do it Simon will how many times you think he heard that?
John Shull 37:48
Whenever I think of Peter I keep thinking like hey, go to big Peter to come here. What's that? Have you have you talked a little Peter lately? No. Oh, well, I think you have more than what you realize. Anyways, Sanjay said Garner
Nick VinZant 38:05
what what is this? What I don't get it. What are you talking about? It's just a movie quote. Is this a reference to no genitalia
John Shull 38:12
you were just to understand what you're doing was talking about names you know, and I just said Peter is one of those names I can can easily get tossed around a lot. And I said have you ever heard a little Peter and you said no. And I said but you probably know him a lot more than you think you do. Okay, all right. Nick so confused. You're gonna listen this back and realize what I what I said. Let's see. Sanjay cigar will for enough. Let's see here. Jane Lawrence. Andrea Clint worth one Camille do and I'm going to end here on are with drippy Donnie.
Nick VinZant 38:51
I like the word drip when it's like as a compliment. like, Ooh, look at the drip. But drippy is one of the like, oh, I don't like that word. Drip, drip. Drip a. Yeah, I am terrified of sinks dripping. Because it's like a problem you can't fix or do anything about like that thought like, oh, no, there is nothing I think in life for a homeowner that worries you more than plumbing problems. Like oh, fuck plumbing.
John Shull 39:25
Um, yeah, I would I would actually agree with you on that. It really? I mean, have you ever had like a pipe burst in your house or a flooded basement? No. Yeah. Well, well,
Nick VinZant 39:36
my parents house when I was younger, but like that doesn't really like you know, like, it's your big parents problem. Not really yours.
John Shull 39:43
Yeah, well, I've gone through that as an adult at least a half dozen times with different things and it is it's terrifying. I actually completely understand what you're saying. Even if there's a drip like, you know, or the ice machine in my refrigerator going. I just I kind of live look like is that really the ice machine? Or is like my fucking refrigerator leaking out onto the floor?
Nick VinZant 40:05
Oh man, I've got two young boys and whenever I hear like toilets, not flushing, like, oh god, how much it's gonna cost me what am I? Because you know that you're going to be dirty. It's going to be a mess. And it's gonna cost you a bunch of money. So plumbing was up like somebody's like, there's a hole in your roof. Like I'll fix it tomorrow. Put a tarp up there. Plumbing, like get on it right now. Okay, now that we've alienated anyone who's not over the age of 35 about talking about our plumbing, see, God dang it. We talked about the weather and your stupid basement all the time.
John Shull 40:42
We didn't even talk about my basement this time.
Nick VinZant 40:45
Well, we just did.
John Shull 40:47
I mean, we can if you want. I've spent a
Nick VinZant 40:49
lot. I want to talk about your basement. I don't want to talk about your basement. All right, it's,
John Shull 40:53
it's a fantastic basement. Doesn't look like it. Yeah, well, neither does your face. Alright, anyways, if you had to do one of these activities, which one? Are you picking first? Video games, board games? Or card games?
Nick VinZant 41:14
Video games? Why would I want to do the other two? I do enjoy a good board board game, and a good card game. But definitely video games first. I would go video games I enjoy. I would go video games, card games, board games. A lot of times board games. There's just too much you got to set it up. You got to learn the rules. You got to put it away. It's like, oh my gosh, I got to do all this stuff. It's too much work. Board games are too much work. And they generally take too long.
John Shull 41:42
Isn't that the fun though of a good board game? It's going to be hours.
Nick VinZant 41:47
It's going to be hours. That, to me is one of the worst things to hear in the English language. How long is this going to take? Well, it's gonna be hours.
John Shull 41:54
Oh, listen. Oh, shout out to Major League Baseball. Hmm. Then you must be a fan now. I don't think anybody is I? I'm gonna go out right now and go on a limb and say that in 10. Year, no. Five years baseball will be back in the top three of American sports and popularity.
Nick VinZant 42:14
No. All I know is that Randy Johnson wants to hit a bird with a baseball and that was probably the greatest sporting achievement of all time. If you haven't seen that. Haven't seen Randy Johnson hit a bird with a baseball. It's incredible.
John Shull 42:27
I mean, it's one of those one and I mean, one in a billion
Nick VinZant 42:30
No, never happen again.
John Shull 42:33
I mean, that might actually be like one near one in a billion odds. I mean, he hit a flying bird while he was pitching. As the bird was flying through.
Nick VinZant 42:45
I'm gonna look this up. What are the go on your next one? I'm gonna look it up.
John Shull 42:48
All right. Well, it's a pretty simple question.
Nick VinZant 42:52
One in 13 million.
John Shull 42:55
Well, I mean, how do they break down the odds for that is what I want to know. But I won't ask any more questions, I guess.
Nick VinZant 43:01
I don't know. Dude, that's way too much at math.
John Shull 43:03
Yeah, like, I mean, who spends the time on that question, to try to find a realistic probability. You know
Nick VinZant 43:11
what a lot of it is actually for some reason I don't know why I know this. But I do know this is a lot of times it's like college students, PhD dissertations are a project they figure stuff like out that out. Like I think it was like a construction engineer figured out how much steel it would take the build the Deathstar. Like they do it for projects and things like that. It's not like some scientist is actually getting paid to do this. It's usually like a school project or something like that.
John Shull 43:39
Okay, all right. All right. Say you are going over a cliff in your car. And you could only could only save one of these things. What would you do with what what would you save your animal? Your best friend? Or your parents?
Nick VinZant 44:02
Well, how old are my parents? It kind of depends how old my parents are. I mean, I mean, if my parents are like, 80 I'm not. Because then you got to choose one of your parents. Like which one are you going to get? You get Mom? Yeah, you gotta get Mom dad's on his own. He should be able to be on his own. Dad's Dad's got to fight for himself. Yeah, sorry. You gotta get Mom. Not the animal. I mean, I do love my dog. But it is where it's an animal.
John Shull 44:26
Are you going to pick your best friend?
Nick VinZant 44:29
Yeah. Especially if you have kids.
John Shull 44:32
That's very well thank you. I'm touched by that. Thank you
Nick VinZant 44:37
no problem. Oh, grab you had to start I'd have to start I'd have to start working out a little more but more
John Shull 44:42
Oh yeah, you wouldn't you better have superhero powers. You ain't gonna be Oh grab me.
Nick VinZant 44:46
See and do that for anything else. You got to get healthier just in case somebody needs to save your life.
John Shull 44:51
See? See you just went personal there. So that was personal.
Nick VinZant 44:55
It was personal because you need to do something about this because what if you're ever in a situation ration in which you need to be carried out of a burning building and they're not going to be able to get you out they better
John Shull 45:05
they better bring the forklift
Nick VinZant 45:09
but yeah, I would save I would save the best friend I would save your I would save your life John all its
John Shull 45:14
I'd save my dogs over you
Nick VinZant 45:17
I'm just getting here two dogs now have two dogs
John Shull 45:20
I do not not yet anyways, I think the wife is trying but I'm holding a more than fat so far.
Nick VinZant 45:25
You gotta hold fast on that one man. You can't you can't let that slide. Because once you go to US cannot you're gonna go three eventually. You gotta you gotta put a stop to that.
John Shull 45:34
Alright, let's see here. Let's see what people will chose overwhelmingly actually this this week so the options on our social media poll which is up on Twitter every Monday noon ish afternoon ish. Let's Eastern or Pacific eastern Pacific Time. Eastern. I will it would be after noon. Eastern slightly before noon Pacific. Let's see the deepest fish ever caught. No, you know, that's that's been on record. But that didn't get any votes.
Nick VinZant 46:06
How deep was it? How deep was it?
John Shull 46:08
It was you let me bring it up real fast because I don't want to I don't want to go off my mouth.
Nick VinZant 46:13
Okay, well, you just go on. I'll look at I'll look.
John Shull 46:15
Let's see. The other option was just get to candle the month. But obviously, that didn't that didn't win either. This time. What didn't didn't win? No, actually, with 86% of the vote is people want to hear your opinion. In my opinion on the New Super Mario Brothers movie that's coming out this week.
Nick VinZant 46:38
Well, I haven't seen it. Yeah, but
John Shull 46:40
I mean, you can talk like what Chris Pratt is Mario. I don't have no idea who the guys are plays Luigi Jack blacks in it. Seth Rogen. Keegan Michael Key all star cast.
Nick VinZant 46:54
That's one of those movies that unless they really find a very creative way to somehow do that. That's one of those movies that I feel like I wish they would have just left alone like I didn't No one was like man I let's make a movie with supermario nobody really wanted to see that movie.
John Shull 47:14
I mean, let's it's gonna do well right because of of of the characters in the name. Is it gonna be a good movie? Probably not.
Nick VinZant 47:24
I think that's one of those movies that bombs honestly. I think that's a movie that like people are like, Oh, I'm not actually gonna go see that though. Right like that's one of those movies that you see the trailer and that's enough for you. Alright, that's enough. Well, I need
John Shull 47:42
according to I was reading an article actually doing some research before this episode. So the 1993 Super Mario Mario movie was a complete failure complete flop. I guess Nintendo real you know? I don't want to say reluctantly did not want to do another movie. But they're doing it anyway. So if you if this if it flops again, which I don't think it will, because it's different you know, you don't got I don't even remember who was in the in the first one. anymore. I'd have to
Nick VinZant 48:14
John Leguizamo. I know that John Leguizamo was
John Shull 48:17
in Dennis Hopper was in there, Bob Hoskins. So anyways,
Nick VinZant 48:22
if this doesn't have much of a desire to see that
John Shull 48:26
if this doesn't do well with all the characters that are in it, and I believe this one is more like, you know what, what am I looking for? It's more of like, animation than the a live movie. Then you're never going to make a successful Mario Mario movie.
Nick VinZant 48:44
Yeah, but do you care about Mario is a character like I care about what's Mario story? What's Mario's motivation? Like do you care about Mario Are you just enjoy playing Mario? Like Mario has never had a story? Or a background or anything like that. It's not even any like other video games, like you could say like God of War with Kratos, or The Last of Us, which is probably the most successful video game adaption ever. But it's like, what's Mario's story? Well, he's a tweet. Like, who cares? Like, I don't think anybody's interested in Mario's story as a character.
John Shull 49:22
I think you're, that's Luigi. Well, I was reading also, if this does well enough, the old Nintendo was thinking about possibly doing a Luigis Mansion movie. So
Nick VinZant 49:36
I'd be more interested in that, right. Like, there's just doesn't seem to be much of a setup like okay. I want to know what Mario's motivation is.
John Shull 49:45
And also,
Nick VinZant 49:47
I get the coins.
John Shull 49:48
I do have to call you out for one. You know, you said that Last of Us is probably the most successful video game franchise to go into TV or movies. I don't think that's right at all. By the way. Thank you. Okay,
Nick VinZant 50:00
okay, what are you gonna say Mortal Kombat?
John Shull 50:02
No, I mean, just off the just thinking about the timing. Tomb Raider, I think has been more successful pokeymon has been more successful.
Nick VinZant 50:12
I'll give you Pokeyman from a money standpoint, but I think from like a critically acclaimed and like a show that people wanted to see, I think the last of us is it 27,000 feet that's how deep the fish was. Think about that, man. Think about that. Like, I don't think that people really at least I'm only this rant because I started reading a book about the deep ocean, which is fucking crazy. You're reading a book like there's congratulation. I read two books. I read two books this year. Two of them already. Well, first to first the first two books I've read in like 10 years, but there's like it's 27,000 feet below us. Like 27,000 feet down there. And we got no idea what's down there because it's Aquaman
John Shull 50:52
Yes, I'm ready. All right, it's
Nick VinZant 50:54
time the outlaw candle connoisseur Rides Again candle of the month I don't know why the whip I don't know why the whip is in there but some reason it seems like
John Shull 51:09
alright let's see so we're gonna we're gonna go to a classic company here because I I found an April candle that kind of took me off by surprise I wasn't expecting it to be this good year have anything like that in your life where you're like alright, I'm going to try it it's probably not going to be that good then you have it and it's like whoa this is fantastic. This is worth it like this is this is something that I'm going to be talking about and here I am sushi sushi is fantastic love love me for some Fuji sushi Fuji Oh boy. Ah anyway so this is by Yankee Candle I don't know if it'll be on sale if people go check it out but obviously this being an April and where I live specifically in the Midwest it's raining a lot it's very wet it's very muddy don't let your dogs outside because you're gonna be pissed off when you let them in. All in all candle the Month for April is April showers by Yankee Candle
Nick VinZant 52:13
Hmm Can you describe it for us please
not the description on the candle I want to hear what you how do you describe it? Sell me on it because right now April showers. I'm going to be honest with you. I feel like that's a weak picture. I got it. So Okay, have you tried bread? Yeah, I've heard of it. Right. So while we while me so I
John Shull 52:33
actually last week when I went to I had a different candle. And my Yankee Candle shipment came in at the end of the month at the end of March. And you know, I was like alright, let me just try this. So I pull it out. And I let it and at first I'm like okay, this smell smells like April showers. But then it finishes with a crisp vanilla like like a almost like a cup cakey kind of smell. It just it just keeps going around and around and it's very refreshing like lemon lime. It's just it's, it's just good. It's like when you're stuck inside on a rainy day and you're doing laundry and the detergent has that really good smell and you just keep smelling you're like I don't ever want to go outside well picture like this but like you're watching the rainfall and you're like outside in it but you're not in it. So that's it's awesome. Right now as far as I as far as I know and listen we don't make any money off this but I think it's half off right now at Yankee camp
Nick VinZant 53:36
how many weeks how many weeks?
John Shull 53:38
I mean well so for this one I got it came as a two wick I don't know if it is indeed a three wick because it's only comes in a jar it's not like a round canister very common for if you know candles as I know you do. So you know very common Yankee Candle presentation for the two week.
Nick VinZant 53:58
Now, do you have automated shipments? Like are you subscribed to any candle things where they're automatically sending you something? Or do you have to go in and make purchases like
John Shull 54:09
Yeah, so I listen I if people know of services that you know, like what are some of the random services? Like like mystery box or something? If they have like a mystery box for candles, let me know I would love that. But no i i like i like it because auto if you know if it was if it's automated, I feel like I wouldn't go browse the websites right? I wouldn't spend the time looking.
Nick VinZant 54:37
How many hours a week or month would you say you spend shopping for candles?
John Shull 54:43
I mean, I don't know probably eight to 16 You know, a day day and a half two days looking at candles.
Nick VinZant 54:51
So if you did that with fashion, you would probably be a really stylish person. Oh,
John Shull 54:57
absolutely wouldn't even be a question you know Maybe eight to 16 is too much. Oh, I will for sure, say eight, like for sure, say eight hours a week. Just because, you know, I enjoy it. I have a few things I enjoy. That's one of them. And, you know, there's so many candle companies out there.
Nick VinZant 55:15
Okay. Okay, so if you're bored on the internet the first website you always go to one, right? You've always got the go to website. That's probably the first place you're gonna go. How many websites in before you get to a candle website?
John Shull 55:32
It's I mean, it's probably my top 10
Nick VinZant 55:35
Makes sense? Um, are you ready for our top five?
John Shull 55:38
Like Bruce Springsteen said, was born ready?
Nick VinZant 55:45
Did he say that? I'm not it was born to run.
John Shull 55:47
I thought it was born in the USA.
Nick VinZant 55:50
He can only be born in so many places, right? Like he can't be Born to Run Born ready and Born in the USA. He can only have one of those somebody else has to pick up one of those. Okay, so our top five is top five clothing items. So like, shorts, t shirt, sweatshirt, gloves, hats, that kind of stuff. What's your number five.
John Shull 56:14
So number five, it's in. It's all encompassing, but it's hats. Just hats in general.
Nick VinZant 56:20
Okay, I feel like that's a pretty good space. That's a pretty good place to put hats. I don't think that they should be up really any higher. They don't serve enough of a purpose. But I think I've never been a hat person.
John Shull 56:31
So obviously a ball caps right? And you have fedoras and things. The winter hat obviously is worth it. It is I mean it's a piece of clothing that you need. All the other hats like you said are kind of worthless, but are awesome and and are fashionable.
Nick VinZant 56:50
Number five is gloves. I love a good pair of gloves. I think it's important to have a good pair of gloves because they keep you warm. You don't have to really like touch stuff. Okay, gloves are fantastic. I love gloves. Okay,
John Shull 57:06
my number four, I'm gonna go with just the simple t shirt.
Nick VinZant 57:11
You have t shirt and for I do I think that should be a lot higher. I assume that we would be discussing that around number one range. So okay. Okay, my number four is no show socks. No Show socks revolutionized the soccer game. Okay, so my they should have started they should have started with no show socks and then gone up.
John Shull 57:37
My number three is socks, once again, all encompassing, but if I had to choose any yes, they would be. I know them as ankle socks, but you call them no show socks. So
Nick VinZant 57:48
I believe there's actually a difference. ankle socks are not the same thing as no show socks, ankle socks go to your ankles. So you can see them a little bit whereas no show was no show. You can't see them. They're like foot condoms. Foot condoms. My number three is a hoodie. Okay, I love a good hoodie. All. hoodies are fantastic, man. So it's basically like a souped up sweatshirt. Why would you ever get a sweatshirt when you can have a hoodie?
John Shull 58:18
Yeah, I mean hoodies are definitely sweatshirts or turtlenecks. They're all they're all far second in thirds to to a good hoodie.
Nick VinZant 58:28
If you put turtleneck on your list, I'm going to cancel this show.
John Shull 58:32
Okay, my number two is turtleneck.
Nick VinZant 58:33
You gotta turn on. No one should have turtleneck turtleneck would be one of the worst things ever. And no one looks good in turtlenecks. At least not men. No men look good in turtlenecks. Women. They can look fantastic in a turtleneck. Men never have been like, you know what? I would never buy a turtleneck. But then I saw Steve over there. And I thought to myself, maybe I would look good in a turtleneck.
John Shull 59:01
Yeah, you're right. You're right.
Nick VinZant 59:05
What's your number two? Are we? What's your Yeah, are you and your number two?
John Shull 59:08
Yes, so my number two I have gloves as my number two because now maybe if I lived in a warmer area, they wouldn't even be on the list. But because I live obviously in Michigan, where it's only warm, maybe four months out of the year. Gloves are so important. And if you have a good pair of gloves, it can make all the difference.
Nick VinZant 59:31
I don't think I've ever agreed with you more about something about the importance of gloves in life. Yeah, I don't think that you can put them ahead of T shirt. But I completely agree about I love them glued to it stick
John Shull 59:43
me outside and when zero degrees and I know I'm going to be regretting saying this because it's gonna sound stupid, but I would almost rather have like if I could guarantee my hands being warm and a great pair of gloves more than wearing a shirt. I would pick the gloves over a shirt
Nick VinZant 1:00:00
I would put gloves over a shirt as well. I think I've gone run you're gonna have a jab gone. Yeah, but I mean I've gone running in maybe let's call it 20 degree weather. And just gloves and a T shirt. Gloves set the tone for warmth. That's what they do. They set the tone for comfort they do I feel comfortable in gloves. Maybe we should be gloves up to number one.
John Shull 1:00:24
Hand condoms.
Nick VinZant 1:00:26
And condoms. My number two is T shirt.
John Shull 1:00:30
Okay, we may have the same number one.
Nick VinZant 1:00:35
What is it going to be? It's going to be what do you say yours?
John Shull 1:00:37
I have shorts as my number one.
Nick VinZant 1:00:40
What kind of shorts specifically as I have a specific kind of shorts.
John Shull 1:00:44
Oh, I mean, I just I don't know. I didn't really put specific I mean, like lounging shorts, basketball shorts, gym shorts, gym shorts.
Nick VinZant 1:00:54
gym shorts are the greatest thing. I think clothing. I think glim gym shorts are the greatest clothing apparel we've ever invented. All Purpose. All Purpose.
John Shull 1:01:04
Yeah. I mean, you know. I, you made me question myself for a hot second there on T shirt. But now looking back and I'm thinking on it. shorts are they're just fantastic. And you can wear them any season. They're 100% unisex, like, you don't need to buy a women's a women's cut or a man like and they're just, they're just great. Like I'm wearing shorts right now.
Nick VinZant 1:01:30
And for men like you don't really have to necessarily wear a t shirt, which is why I put gym shorts ahead of a T shirt. Like you don't have to have the t shirt but you do have to have the gym shorts. Most definitely. Right. I like how we didn't put underwear on the list that's left off. No, you don't need to worry about that. I actually
John Shull 1:01:48
what I was thinking of this list, underwear I if I never wore underwear again, I'm not sure that it would bother me.
Nick VinZant 1:01:59
Yeah, I don't think that really anybody wants to be wearing underwear. It's just that you have to based on society, right? That's why they call it like going commando. Because you're rebelling against what society tells you to do, which is wear underwear. You're free. What's in your honorable mention by the
John Shull 1:02:17
way our top fives could not have explained our fashion anymore. We didn't have one like fashionable item on that list.
Nick VinZant 1:02:24
Not one right like suit. Not even suits. Right. Like we didn't have that on there. Nothing fashionable dress shirt. Yeah, jeans ties basically just we do have gloves though, which I think that brings up our rep a little bit.
John Shull 1:02:40
And I don't know um, I had a few things dress on my honorable mention I jeans. A good pair of jeans always feel good. Blue jeans. I do have a polo dress shirts, sweatshirts. Hoodies, not sweat jacket, hoodies. And then yeah, that's it. That's all I have.
Nick VinZant 1:03:04
I have some different ones. I have a rain jacket. rain jackets. Fantastic. I live in Seattle. You get a good rain jacket. You can go out there like you've got like you're indestructible like the weather can't do anything to you. Like rain when my worried about this for swimsuit. The only thing is, is that like, swimsuit gifts can't be on the list because I could just wear my gym shorts.
John Shull 1:03:26
Yeah, and there's not once again like where I live. It's just it's just not you know, it can't be on the on the top five can't be in the top five.
Nick VinZant 1:03:34
Have you ever gone swimming in pants?
John Shull 1:03:39
Not on purpose.
Nick VinZant 1:03:41
Have you ever tried it? Yeah, I'm just wearing pants into the pool. Yeah,
John Shull 1:03:45
not on purpose. I have gone in the water in pants.
Nick VinZant 1:03:51
I couldn't imagine swimming in sweatpants.
John Shull 1:03:53
Oh, I know. My heart just dropped. Mine are jeans. So.
Nick VinZant 1:03:58
Oh, yeah. But even like athletic pants like Adidas pants like I'm going swimming in pants. I guess. Yeah. Like the swimming pants. Okay, all right. Would you like to do? Um, puffy jacket? I'm a fan of the puffy jacket.
John Shull 1:04:14
Okay, I once again that's I mean, I don't mind a good puffy jacket, but not anywhere near top five list.
Nick VinZant 1:04:20
Okay, I could agree with that. The other thing that I really thought I really thought about putting this as number four is a beanie, but it has to be cold. I don't appreciate people who wear a beanie with T shirts on.
John Shull 1:04:36
I mean, once I mean once again, it's kind of wine number five hats. You know, you can put a beanie in there. beanies are good.
Nick VinZant 1:04:43
Okay, I'm okay though with beanie t shirt and gloves. You just can't be wearing a beanie when it's like 70 degrees outside like that's not appropriate to me. Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much. for joining us, if you get a chance, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it. It really does help out the show doesn't have to be some big thing. Just a couple of quick words really helps us out and let us know what you think are some of the best clothing choices. John and I, like we talked about don't have a lot of style. But if you've got style, I could definitely see a completely different top five, and episodes come out every Wednesday. And then now we're putting up full episodes on YouTube on the Thursday after it