From the Artic to the Antarctic, Natalie Gillis spends her time at the ends of the Earth. Photographing Narwhals, kayaking through treacherous Sea Ice, and guiding explorers and scientists through some of the most beautifully remote places. We talk listening to Humpback Whales, surviving 60 below and knowing the difference between friendly and unfriendly Polar Bears. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Yellow Things.
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Interview with Artic Wilderness Guide and Pilot Natalie Gillis
Nick VinZant 0:10
Welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant. Coming up in this episode, Arctic exploration, and yellow things
Natalie Gillis 0:20
I've done in about 12 seasons in the Arctic now and five down in Antarctica, just chasing the daylight back and forth. There's a higher concentration of wildlife than almost anywhere else on the planet. There's penguins, there's whales, there's so much color in the ice. It's actually like, just explosion of marine life that's happening in a really concentrated area. Sea ice is kind of particularly just because it can get blown around so much by the winds is currents. There's a unique set of skills that is involved with safely maneuvering through ca.
Nick VinZant 0:52
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it. It really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So our first guest is an Arctic, an aunt Arctic guide, explore, pilot and photographer. We're going to talk about what it's really like at the extremes of our planet, the wildlife you find there, and how these areas are quickly changing. This is Arctic wilderness guide, Natalie Gillis, what's it like working up there?
Natalie Gillis 1:38
So I work in Antarctica and the Arctic kind of bipolar. I'll chase the 24 hours of daylight. So in the Austral summers will be down in Antarctica, and in the northern hemisphere summers, I'll be in the Arctic. I've done about 12 seasons in the Arctic now and five down in Antarctica, just chasing the daylight back and forth. And what's it like up there? I don't know. It's really beautiful, remote places very sparsely populated, just serene, quiet, like to think that it's like as far away on planet Earth as you can get from like, a busy shopping mall or traffic.
Nick VinZant 2:12
I always get confused as to which one's north and which one south? I mean, I know the North Pole is North and the South Pole is south. The Arctic is above us. And the
Natalie Gillis 2:21
Arctic is, is north. So North Pole is the Arctic and so full Antarctica.
Nick VinZant 2:26
So when you work up there, though, is there just it's just you in a tent, or like, what is the surroundings like?
Natalie Gillis 2:34
It depends, I guess what I'm doing up there. So I've done a variety of different things. I worked as an expedition guide. And while I've been guiding that self supported, so living in a tent cooking on a stove, depending on the trip, it could either be hiking, so with the hiking trips, you're dropped off by a charter aircraft, just with a backpack, and kind of everything that you'd need for like two weeks in your backpack, and you just go hiking around and you sleep in a tent, you just go wander around places that look interesting, it's just exploring, and then some trips idea would be canoeing, some would be sea kayaking. Others that aren't self supported would be snowmobile trips out to say the flow edge to check out narwhal or polar bears. And then when I'm working up there, as an aviator, we usually have a base that we stay at. So you go flying all day, and then come back to kind of like a dormitory style research base or tree house, every trip is different.
Nick VinZant 3:25
When I think about it, I'm just imagining kind of a barren, basically like a frozen desert is that essentially what it's like very much depends
Natalie Gillis 3:35
where you are. So I think there's a lot of misconceptions about the Arctic, and the Antarctic being very desolate, barren, kind of void of color wasteland like areas, but in some places they are in some places are very much not that. So if you go down to the Antarctic Peninsula, there's a higher concentration of wildlife than almost anywhere else on the planet. There's penguins, there's whales, there's so much color in the ice. It's it's actually like, just explosion of marine life that's happening in a really concentrated area. So there's a lot going on down there. And if you go up to the Arctic, there's beautiful colors and the rocks and the tundra is alive with wildflowers if you go at the right time of the year, and animals are beautiful, as well. So it depends very much where you're talking about because there's quite a big umbrella when you talk about the Arctic and the Antarctic, but there's so much underneath that umbrella. What drew you to it, I first fell in love with kayaking when I was kind of a teenager, I grew up in the city very much in a family of city people. And I just loved the idea of going north and I always had these stacks of National Geographic magazines, and I love the idea of exploring kind of what laid beyond the city. So I got really into sea kayaking, and if you're really into sea kayaking, going to the Arctic is kind of like going home. It's the place to go if you're really serious about sea kayaking. So I started off in the Arctic and then got some experience and then started leading trips down in Antarctica as well.
Nick VinZant 4:58
The thing that would obviously jump out me Right, it's like, okay, but does the cold steel steer people away? Or is that kind of a draw? For you?
Natalie Gillis 5:07
Yeah, the cold, the cold is definitely a big part of it. Um, I don't know, it's something, I think that you get used to a little bit over time, it makes certain things a little bit easier. For example, like food preservation, it's a lot easier to be keeping food fresh. If it's cold outside, things don't spoil as easily. So you can take fresher food with you and overall have a better experience if you're eating well. So that's a consideration, it's a lot easier to dress for the cold than it is to say, just for the cheap and have to like cool yourself down, it's always easier to layer up. So you have a little bit more control over your own personal climate, I'd say in the in the court, down on the Antarctic Peninsula, where I just was, it was really cold. So it was probably about negative 40 or so when we were up on the Antarctic Plateau, which was really cold, and then you throw the wind chill in there and it gets, you know, even colder. So it's a it's a consideration for sure. But it's something that you just kind of start to live with. And it becomes less and less scary, the more and more you're exposed to it.
Nick VinZant 6:07
Do you ever get used to the point where like, you don't worry about it,
Natalie Gillis 6:11
I think you always worry about it, it's always a consideration. When I'm working as a pilot, you have to think a little bit more about the airplane. So for example, you want the battery to start. So you always have to kind of be thinking about keeping the battery warm so that you know you can start your airplane to get to where you need to go.
Nick VinZant 6:28
Photographer, guide. Pilot, where do you Where are you landing?
Natalie Gillis 6:33
Where are we landing,
Nick VinZant 6:35
you just landing on ice?
Natalie Gillis 6:36
Yeah, um, so it also depends like Arctic and Antarctic can be very different. So in the Arctic, you can think of that as sort of a land that's surrounded by a lot of water. And most of our landings that we're doing up there on big tundra tires, so really, really big tires, low inflation, so you can kind of bounce down onto the tundra. So a lot of what we call off strip work. So landing in places where there isn't kind of conventional runway. And then any mix of stuff down in Antarctica, we're just landing on skis. So we've got these flat skis, and they pretty much let you land anywhere, it's relatively flat. So it's kind of nice, I
Nick VinZant 7:18
want to get into the photography aspect of it. So did you kind of set out initially to do the photography, or was that kind of a side effect of it like you felt you kind of develop that over time,
Natalie Gillis 7:30
the photography is definitely an afterthought. I'm very much drawn to the experiences of being out there. And photography is a way for me to help share and communicate the things that I find really beautiful and important about the places that I'm lucky enough to go to very much just a hobby thing, like when I'm working as a guide, first and foremost on guiding. And you know, the safety and the experience that my clients are having is first and foremost. And then if I can find some time in there to play with my camera, it's a bonus. But I also find that kind of enhances the experience a little bit like you can communicate to other people like hey, this is what I'm seeing, like, check out this composition. Hey, have you seen like, this whale that I saw using my telephoto? Like, let's go check it out kind of thing. So I think it it helps enhance the experience, but it's definitely not one where I'm going into places and doing these scenes, it just happens to be a way that I've developed to share Sure.
Nick VinZant 8:22
The thing that jumped out at me looking at your Instagram was the animal pictures, right like that. Just fascinating to me, what kind of animals are you generally encountering?
Natalie Gillis 8:31
When I'm down in Antarctica, things I love photographing most of the humpback whales. They're so cool. So usually I'm in my kayak, and that's got a telephoto lens. So sigma 150 to 600. And it kind of just leaves like right in between my legs while I'm paddling along. And then if I'm lucky enough to see some whales, it's just a matter of taking it up and, and trying to get some of the some of the whale shots, which are really fun. They're probably my favorite animal photograph. They're just so intelligent and sentient. Sometimes they come up to your like right up to your kayak and you've got a telephoto lens on and it's like, well this is useless because now the whale is too close for me for my lens. But uh, they're really cool to photograph because they're, they're an engaging whale. They're kind of goofy. They don't, they're not really scared of you like the builder more curious than anything. So they're kind of fun. I like shooting penguins while I'm down there as well as tons of them. Whenever the Arctic musk oxen are a really big one, they're just like such unique kind of prehistoric looking animals that isn't really an animal that you would see anywhere else really on the planet. I love photographing them. They've got this big wispy fear that comes off of them. It's just it's so beautiful, and the wind plays with it. And then obviously the polar bears are are pretty big ticket one they're fun to photograph, but they're also a little bit more challenging to photograph as well. So a little bit harder, but I don't know I like it all.
Nick VinZant 9:49
Are they how do they react to people I would imagine are they used to us are they not used?
Natalie Gillis 9:53
Very much depends where you are, what time of year. What else is going on around you? So my favorite On a photograph bears would be on the sea ice and springtime. So you get bears that they've come out of hibernation a long time ago, they're really, really well fed, there's a lot of seals and seal pops on the ice. So these bears are having like, a buffet of their favorite foods around at all times. So they're not really that concerned with humans being around, they're still curious and investigative, but they're not actively hunting you, which makes it kind of a nice time to be out there and engaging with the animals because you know, you're not as concerned you're, there's still always an element of risk. But it's a time of year where it is a very opportune time to be to be photographing them.
Nick VinZant 10:38
While the polar bears hunt, you,
Natalie Gillis 10:39
ah, there's always a chance, if you spend enough time around them, you get to learn their behavior. So you can tell the difference between a bear that's skittish and doesn't want to have anything to do with you versus a bear that's so protective of their cubs, if they have any around or you get like a big male bear that just as concerned with kind of being big and being in his territory. And then you get some of the curious juvenile bears that don't really know what humans are. And they're, they're more so just interested. I think animals are a lot like people, they have a lot of personality. And it's maybe not so accurate to like throw big generalizations out. Like all polar bears are like this. They're they're just kind of like people, sometimes you get people on good days, sometimes you get bad days, sometimes you get, like, really chilled out polar bears. And sometimes you get really angry ones. It's yeah, it just depends so much.
Nick VinZant 11:27
Now you generally like Are you purposely going out and saying like, Okay, today, I'm gonna go get a picture of this bear, I'm gonna go get a picture of this animal? Or do you kind of have to just take opportunities as they come?
Natalie Gillis 11:39
I'd say absolutely. I'm just taking opportunities as they come. I think I've learned pretty quickly that when you're in these places, it's not up to you. It's up to the weather, it's up to the conditions, it's up to the sea ice. And you're just there to experience it. Sometimes you don't get a single polar bear in two weeks. And sometimes you get like three or four a day. And it's just a matter of appreciating what you've got on that particular day with that set of surplus set of conditions that you have in front of you. And you know, sometimes you really want to go like check out a polar bear that's a couple of miles in that direction. But the sea ice is too thin. So you just can't. And yeah, very much the weather, the weather is King up there dictates what you're doing, and where you're going. So
Nick VinZant 12:19
are you ever ever in either of those places in winter? Or what seasons do you generally are you going to go?
Natalie Gillis 12:24
It does happen that I'm up there in the winter, I spent last winter working out of a small in a community called resolute Bay, which is on a Cornwallis island in Nunavut. So I was working as a pilot up there. I was there when the sun set below the horizon for the last time for the winter. So yeah, just dips below the horizon. And then there's 24 hours of darkness until it returns in the springtime. It's beautiful up there, you get some Northern Lights occasionally while you're flying. If there's a full moon out, it creates this like really beautiful silver light that just like blankets, the entire tundra, and it's covered in snow. It's super beautiful, but it is cold. It's different.
Nick VinZant 13:05
Do you have to when it's like that, you know, because of the temperatures and the conditions? Do you have to use any kind of specialized equipment? Or are you like, nope, got this Best Buy? This is gonna work.
Natalie Gillis 13:14
Right. So from a photography aspect, there isn't really anything that unique about my kit, that would be any different from anyone in, say the continental US would be using. So I use a pelican case, which is like a hardshell case to keep my photography equipment in. And that's just a product of being able to throw it around and bang, and I'm pretty hard on my gear. So having that case, I can kind of not think about keeping my lenses protected as much because they're in their case, and I can just throw the case around, it's fine. In terms of the cold and my equipment, I just keep a lot of batteries. And I always have some tucked into pockets that are really close to my body. And once one dies, another one goes in and they just get swapped out. And I'll usually have like six or eight of them on my body at any one time. So if one of them comes out on me, and there's like an amazing polar bear in front of me, it's just a matter of having to pull another one out and put it in. But other than that there's nothing else that's really specialized about my equipment. It's really actually kind of nice being out there because it's so dry, so there isn't a lot of moisture that can get into the lenses.
Nick VinZant 14:16
So when when you say guiding somebody, right, like okay, but are you guiding them? Because to a certain area because they don't know, I guess why are you guiding them in the sense that like, man, you really got to know what you're doing up here or no, this is how you get to this place.
Natalie Gillis 14:35
They're generally pretty specialized areas. So the average recreationalists wouldn't perhaps need a specialized set of skills in order to successfully achieve their goals. So if they want to kayak in the sea ice, sea ice is kind of particularly just because it can get blown around so much by the winds is currents. There's a unique set of skills that is involved with safely maneuvering through CI. So that's one a pretty easy example of why someone would hire a guide for that kind of trip, you get a lot of people signing up for sort of commercial tours, because financially, it makes a little bit more sense to split the overhead costs with a small group of people. So say you have someone that really wants to explore this national park. It's call it a $20,000 charter to take an aircraft up there. So they can split that with six people, and they get a guide, it makes a little bit more sense. And there's also the camaraderie as well. These trips tend to be small, like minded groups of people. So you get to know and have some companions for your adventure, which is always really good. Safety is a really big aspect of it. I'm a certified wilderness first responder, so kind of like medical in the field stuff, have those same skills that are really good to have in these places that are really, really remote that you might not be able to get a helicopter to if you needed to for a medical evacuation, for example. So lots of reasons.
Nick VinZant 15:59
Where are you generally going
Natalie Gillis 16:01
all over? It? Yeah, it's a it's a pretty big map. In the Arctic, I was doing a lot of expeditions on Ellesmere Island, which if you think of Canada has kind of like pointed like this on the map. It's it's the last island last big island before the North Pole. And then you've got Baffin Island and the eastern Arctic, was another really big focus of mine. Down in the Antarctic, I've spent quite a few seasons kayaking on the Antarctic Peninsula, which is that big piece of land that juts out towards South America. And then most recently was down there as taking people back and forth to the South Pole. A lot of climbers in and out of Mount Vincent, which is the highest mountain in Antarctica. So people that would want to climb that. Yeah, defense all over the place.
Nick VinZant 16:47
Are you ready for some harder slash listener submitted questions? Let's go. What would you say is your scariest experience? Oh, boy,
Natalie Gillis 16:54
I'd say being out on the sea ice in the springtime in the Canadian Arctic, overall, is probably the scariest experience. The sea ice is getting less and less predictable. Even in the short time that I've been guiding up in the Arctic, it's it's less and less predictable. And if it's less and less predictable, it's a little It's scarier and scarier, because, in my mind, things are scary if you don't understand them. And it's getting harder and harder to really understand what's going on with the sea ice because the conditions are changing so rapidly. So I'd say being out on the sea ice is probably one of the scariest you know, you've got like a set depth of ice that you're living on, you're sleeping on you're traveling on. Sometimes it gets thinner in certain areas, sometimes it gets thicker in certain areas, you don't really know it's not really a way of knowing exactly how deep the ice is underneath you without being able to actually product. So being out on the sea ice and traveling over it. It's probably one of the scariest things that I've been doing recently.
Nick VinZant 17:59
Okay, I'm going to reveal my ignorance. So I guess when you say sea ice, like I'm imagining, like just ice floating in the water, but this is more like frozen parts of the ocean that you're kind of basically living on?
Natalie Gillis 18:11
Yeah, exactly that so you get a areas of land. And in between those areas of land, the ocean, it's so cold in the in the winter that the ocean freezes over completely. And the goal of these trips is to go to where the frozen ocean ends, because it ends really, really abruptly. So you get frozen ocean to a point called the flow edge, which is where the ice ends and the open water begins. And that's a really interesting area because that's where you get the biggest concentration of wildlife. So you get narwhals. cruising along the flow edge, you get polar bears kind of walking along the edge seals everywhere. Lots of bird life. It's it's called the line of life. And it's where, like the coolest stuff is happening in the Arctic. So when I refer to being out on the ice, I'm kind of referring to going out over the sea is where all the cool animals are hanging out.
Nick VinZant 18:59
We just ended this question. Hardest animal to get a photograph of
Natalie Gillis 19:04
narwhal. That's, that's kind of an easy one. So when you're out on the sea ice, you're walking around on the ice. And whales are really, really sensitive to sound, they can hear what's going on on the surface above them. So unless you're like really, really quiet, they can hear your footsteps. And a lot of these times the narwhal don't like being around humans, so they try to avoid them. So trying to get a photograph of narwhal is very, very challenging. One thing that I've done is, if you stick around a PATA narwhal for a long time, you can kind of check out and start to understand their feeding habits. You notice that they'll go under the ice, they'll feed and then because they're holding their breath while they're under the ice, they'll have to come up for a breath of air. So if you think like a narwhal, you're under the ice you're feeding. You really, really want to have a breath, you're probably going to come up at the edge of the ice at a place where it's like the most convenient, like the first breath that you can take. So you try and find a spot on the CIS that kind of cuts out like a V. And the narwhal will typically come up at the, you know, angle of that V, which is the first place that they can have a breath. So I've done it before where you can get a group of people. And if you're really really still for like, half an hour, you can lay on your belly on the side of the sea ice kind of with your elbows like hanging over the edge and it's happened a couple times that I've had narwhal come straight up and almost blow like straight into your face because they just surface right there. It's really cool experience because you know, you're you're sitting there silent for like 2030 minutes hoping maybe you might get a narwhal. Maybe you won't. And then just like out of absolutely nowhere. They just, like brighten your face. It's really cool.
Nick VinZant 20:45
And then are they gone in an instant? Or do they like linger for a second?
Natalie Gillis 20:50
Gone? Gone? They might take like a breath or two and then they're really hard to photograph.
Nick VinZant 21:00
Have you ever like left the lens cap on? mean like, Oh crap.
Natalie Gillis 21:07
Have I left the lens cap on? I don't really use lens caps. Not really for a reason. I just lose them so often that I just don't have them. But I've done every stupid thing that you can think of. I've gone out without batteries. I've got it with memory cards. I've deleted whole memory cards, like full of incredible wonderful photographs just like oh, I that's gone now.
Nick VinZant 21:33
Which one? Do you like more? North Pole or South Pole?
Natalie Gillis 21:38
Which do I like better? It's they're so different for many, many different reasons. I'd say for wildlife. I like Antarctica and for landscape. I like the Arctic.
Nick VinZant 21:48
And just to confirm Antarctica is south and north. Are the Arctic is north. I really thought they were the same thing I honestly did. Right. It's amazing how you can go to college and you still don't know anything about the world.
Natalie Gillis 22:02
You're really not alone in that at all. Actually, what I find really funny is so polar bears there. They only live in the Arctic. There's no polar bears down in Antarctica. But it's amazing how many people you'll have on like a two week kayak trip in Antarctica. And at the end of the trip, we'll be like, yeah, everything was great, great food, great guiding wonderful, but like we didn't see any polar bears. That's like one of their key complaints and then be like, oh, yeah, it's
Nick VinZant 22:31
your head. Somebody like booked the trip specifically to see polar bears, and then realize like, Oh, crap, pick the wrong?
Natalie Gillis 22:39
I don't think I don't think specifically. But you definitely get some people who haven't done a great deal of research, which I mean, they just leave them an opportunity to go to the north and be able to compare the two and hopefully see a polar bear up there.
Nick VinZant 22:55
So on a more serious note, right, like you've been going up there, I think you said either 12 years or 12 seasons. Have you seen it change with the climate? Like have you seen the effects of climate change on those areas?
Natalie Gillis 23:09
Yeah, big time, is one hike that I used to love. It was like my first big hike that I ever did in the in the Arctic, is through this beautiful valley on Baffin Island called Ivy Tech. When I first went there, there were glaciers that would come down off of the penny ice cap, and they touch the valley floor. And just flying over them recently there, they're just not there anymore. They've almost completely disappeared from the Valley, which was like, one of the most beautiful parts of of that part of the world. So it's, it's, it's sad seeing them gone. But I think more so if you talk to the people who live up there year round, because like I said, I go up there seasonally, I might be able to see some changes over the seasons. But really the people you want to talk to are the people that live there that have spent their entire lives up there. And they're seeing a lot of changes and how things are happening with wildlife, with the seasons, overall climate and they're really the people that we should be listening to. And there's a lot of changes happening up there.
Nick VinZant 24:08
Is it oversaturated at all? Do you think like, wait a minute, there's too many people coming up here now.
Natalie Gillis 24:15
You know, I've always really thought that people care about beautiful places, and they care about the places that they've formed an attachment to So are there too many people going up there? I don't think so. Because I think that the people that are going up there are having an experience. So they're going to remember through the rest of their lives and they're gonna go home and they're gonna tell their friends all over the globe, Hey, I just had this really cool experience like seeing this iceberg like seeing these penguins, seeing these polar bears and their natural habitats. It's beautiful. I've talked to the local people and they're saying, you know, let like things are changing really, really rapidly up here. And and they're sharing those messages with people that who wouldn't be able to see or experience those places otherwise. So I don't think it's oversaturated up there because I think that the people that are going up there are having experiences that are meaningful So the more people are having more meaningful experiences and care about these really beautiful places, the more people will be caring about them and and maybe more willing to make changes. So I don't think so.
Nick VinZant 25:11
Um, that's really all the questions that we got what's kind of coming up next for you? How can people get some of your artwork if they want a guided trip? What should they do?
Natalie Gillis 25:22
So I'm heading back up to the Arctic to do some real ski work. So a lot of flying, potentially, like some field caching, just general aviation work up in the Arctic. I'm also hoping to do a little bit more photography while I'm up there, maybe Susan mascara, see some polar bears. I've also got a little project I'm working on right now. Or I've taken my photographs, and I've translated them into stickers that I have for sale. And I also have a book of poems that I wrote, actually during COVID. So while I was stuck at home, and people weren't traveling to the North Pole, and so cool are in the polar regions. I did a master's degree in poetry, and I came up with my book. It's called, this is where Atlanta sank. And it's a book of poetry and photography. So it's for sale on my website.
Nick VinZant 26:07
I want to thank Natalie so much for joining us if you want to connect with her, we have linked to her on our social media accounts were Profoundly Pointless on Tik Tok, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube. And we have also included her information in the episode description, the pictures that she has taken, really showcase the beauty of this landscape. And I did not know that that is what the Arctic and the Antarctic look like, until I saw some of these pictures. They really are amazing, and give you an incredible window into this world. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw, and get to the pointless part of this show. Do you know where Antarctica is?
John Shull 26:56
It's in the southern hemisphere. Ah,
Nick VinZant 27:00
I really always thought Antarctica was the one that was in the northern hemisphere.
John Shull 27:04
I mean, it's really not that difficult. The North Pole is the Arctic, and the South Pole is Antarctica.
Nick VinZant 27:12
Yeah, but I've always found that like, if you get something wrong in your head, there's no correcting it. I'm still 100% confused if the shower curtain goes inside the tub or outside the tub, and no amount of explaining or being yelled at by people has ever really solidified that answer in my head. I still don't I don't know. I still don't know.
John Shull 27:35
That's pretty absurd. It obviously goes inside the tub. Well, you have a liner that goes inside. And then the actual curtain is on the outside.
Nick VinZant 27:43
That's what confuses me. Which one is supposed to go inside because one is supposed to go inside and the other is supposed to go outside. And I can never remember if the liner goes inside the tub and the curtain goes outside. If they both go inside, if they both go outside.
John Shull 27:58
You're really thinking about this. It's not that hard.
Nick VinZant 28:01
But don't you have something that like for some reason? You can just never remember how this is supposed to work?
John Shull 28:07
No, not off the top of my head. I mean, for me, I'm not sure if it's actions that I that I do. But it's words that get me like, for instance, we have a chain of grocery stores in the Midwest called Meijer. But I say my ers, I add an s on to it. And it makes no sense. But I'll never change because to me, it will always be my ers not Meyer.
Nick VinZant 28:30
I'm a little upset already, to be honest with you.
John Shull 28:34
Why is that? Why is that this episode? Why are you upset now?
Nick VinZant 28:38
seems to be coming out around a certain date.
John Shull 28:44
Oh, right, right. I actually know what the date is. What is it? I just don't know what number it is for you.
Nick VinZant 28:57
I'm trying to forget personally. Here's my question about it, though. Besides the fact that you didn't wish me happy birthday. Do you feel younger in odd number do you feel younger? Do you feel younger or older? In odd numbered years or even numbered years? Because I'm gonna be in an odd number year. And I feel younger than when my birthday when my age is in, even numbered year. I always feel older and even numbered years.
John Shull 29:27
I don't know even I don't know how to answer that. I feel older. Looking back on and realizing that I'm going to have been on this earth for 36 years.
Nick VinZant 29:36
You haven't said to me 36 feels older than 3737 is like Oh, I'm young in my late 30s 36 is late in your mid 30s
John Shull 29:50
So you're what you're you're born in 184 right 82 8280 So I'll
Nick VinZant 29:56
be 40 I'll be 41 which feels yeah younger, which feels younger to me than 40. I feel younger, like I'm ready for 41 like, Man, I'm in my early 40s Last year was like, Oh, I'm turning 40 I feel younger now than I did last year.
John Shull 30:15
I mean, give give us something, give me something. What is a birthday wish that you hope to? to have happen to you this upcoming birthday year?
Nick VinZant 30:26
I have reached the age in for people who may turn 40. Soon. I have reached the age where pretty much you're just you start to wonder like, Man, am I going to die tomorrow?
John Shull 30:37
You heard you are not used.
Nick VinZant 30:39
When you hit mid life, you start to wonder like, Man, I hope I make it to there, you start to worry, you start to think about your death. So there's no longer it is no longer a certainty. You no longer feel like it is a certainty that you will be around.
John Shull 30:56
Here's something kind of crazy. They will this podcast has seen you literally go from one decade to the next. This podcast is that old as well.
Nick VinZant 31:06
From roughly 2018. So five years, the half of a decade. Yeah, I mean, both of us really?
John Shull 31:14
Yeah. But I mean, it's seen you go from your 30s young, vibrant hippie man. to Now you're wondering if you're gonna wake up the next morning.
Nick VinZant 31:23
It's weird. It's amazing how quickly life can change in just a short period of time. I think that your life fundamentally changes every three years. Every three years you are in a new phase of life. And you would say that you are completely different than you were three years before that.
John Shull 31:42
Most important question. What kind of birthday cake you're gonna have?
Nick VinZant 31:48
I get a thing called Chocolate Lush. It's not a cake. Oh, explain fuckin amazing. Chocolate. Lush is basically like, a match. I don't know how to explain it. It's basically like a chocolate pie. But served in a dish. I don't know. Just you gotta I can't. I am not. I realized this weekend, that I am not good at describing things. Like if my wife who I've been happily married to since 2014 was gone. Or was like missing. I wouldn't know. I can't describe people's faces. I cannot describe the way things look like if somebody even asked me like, What does John look like? It's got hair. He's two eyes. My nose. I can't describe people. I was trying to describe somebody there was telling my wife about it. It's like, what did they look like? I they have like a person. Can you just like, can you describe people?
John Shull 32:51
I think no, no, but I think the problem is with that most people will look generic. There are very few people that actually like you can pinpoint them like Hey, Suzy, you know, Suzy has blue hair? A nose ring and tattoos all over her body. Right? For you. It'd be it'd be Oh, hey, Nick is average size. Nice hair blue eyes.
Nick VinZant 33:19
Oh, he said nice here. Thank you. Appreciate that. Yeah, I can't describe people. Like if I was in front of a sketch artist, it would just look like we anybody else. I don't know.
John Shull 33:32
Moving on. I was told the other day that I have a nice singing voice. So take that for what it is.
Nick VinZant 33:40
Right? So go try out for American Idol. songbird. Is that still around? Yeah, it's
John Shull 33:46
it's I was actually I was flipping through channels. The other it was like Saturday night I too am in a replay of it was on I think it was a replay. And the guest like the panel is Katy Perry, Luke Bryan and Lionel Richie. Now that's the three judges they had on the panel and I was like,
Nick VinZant 34:08
Lionel Richie. Wow, man, they're scraping those shows have run their course. Any of those kinds of American Idol dancing is that's even still around like cool. You're running out of people.
John Shull 34:24
The fats gonna die. Who's the fats?
Nick VinZant 34:27
I don't know. What are you talking about?
John Shull 34:31
Didn't you just say the fats?
Nick VinZant 34:34
No. Dancing with the Stars.
John Shull 34:39
Wait, you Hunter you you didn't just say the fats.
Nick VinZant 34:43
No, I think you're hearing things.
John Shull 34:46
Oh, are you fucking with me, right? No,
Nick VinZant 34:49
no, what are you talking about?
John Shull 34:53
I swear to God, you were like talking and then you said oh in the in the fats. And then you kept talking I don't know, man, whatever.
Nick VinZant 35:01
I don't know what you're talking about, man.
John Shull 35:04
Maybe you just just added that out. I don't know. It sounds like a crazy person
Nick VinZant 35:07
maybe ease maybe ease up on the chemicals when you're redoing that basement man. I feel like like they're starting to get to you a little bit.
John Shull 35:16
Yeah. Right. I saw that right. There was a person behind you.
Nick VinZant 35:20
Right? Right. That's my son. He likes to come in here. He's, he's a cat recently.
John Shull 35:25
All right, good. Well,
Nick VinZant 35:26
he's not a cat. He's a pokimane. Various, what kind of pokimane as far as that's all. All right. Once, once a boy discovers farts, they'll never be the same.
John Shull 35:38
Oh man. No joke. Alright, let's give some shout outs. Let's see Milton MacDonald. Drew Kerber. Blake Nixdorf. Kyle got hard the second it's, it's probably actually it's probably actually Gothard. But it's probably got heard but it's got
Nick VinZant 36:01
God. How much? How much do you think they hate that? Yeah. God hard.
John Shull 36:08
Yeah. Yep. T Riona. Taylor. Aaron Wilhoit. Preston Bryant. Mad moans. John wretzky. And Pete O'Connell. And O'Connell has the apostrophe between the on the see obviously, I wanted to get your opinion on that. What do you think of names that have like, you know, John O'Malley, Pete O'Connell.
Nick VinZant 36:37
I think they're probably of Irish descent and that that's their name. Do you want me to save them all? round him up.
John Shull 36:49
No, round him up. No, that's, you know,
Nick VinZant 36:51
I can throw him in jail.
John Shull 36:53
Just whatever. They're all pieces of shit. Thank you. There you go.
Nick VinZant 37:01
Sorry. Welcome. Last one of them.
John Shull 37:03
Sorry. We're not talking about up. Not at all. Actually. Couple of bangers for you. What kind of sock guy are you? ankle socks? long socks. You like toe socks? Do you wear socks? Kind of sock diarrhea.
Nick VinZant 37:24
I always wear socks. I don't understand people who don't wear socks. I won't even walk around in my own house. without shoes on or something covering my feet. I really don't like it. But I wear no show socks. And they gotta be no show. They have to you cannot see them. I don't want the stuff that you can see it a little bit. Yeah, it's gotta be no show. So I have to wear socks. But I like to pretend like I'm not.
John Shull 37:52
So those are ankle socks. Right?
Nick VinZant 37:56
No, I believe that there's actually a difference between no show socks and ankle socks. ankle socks would cover the ankle or be at the ankle. a no show sock would not be able to be seen. Hence the different names, I believe. Do you
John Shull 38:09
ever find yourself having to readjust your no show sock because it slips off your foot? Because that's quite I do
Nick VinZant 38:17
not. I do not. Oh, well, because that's one thing that I will turn out pretty quickly. Like I'm gonna wear a t shirt until it is literally falling apart and has some good holes in it. But once that sock loses the elasticity elasticity, it's out of there. Um, one socks for a year tops, year tops and is gone.
John Shull 38:38
What would you say is more important? A good pair of socks? Or a good pair of underwear?
Nick VinZant 38:43
I don't wear underwear. So good socks. My wife actually got mad at me. She's like, You got to start wearing underwear. I took it as a compliment. That my little man is showing that people are seeing it. Oh boy. It's impressive.
John Shull 38:58
Probably Well, you know, at 41 You probably see no decline yet, but it's coming soon. I'm sure.
Nick VinZant 39:05
It's pretty hard to decline from a negative so
John Shull 39:09
that is absolutely true. And we all feel sorry for you. But not not not that sorry. All right. I I'm still thinking about how I should wish you a happy birthday. So I apologize.
Nick VinZant 39:26
You're usually pretty good about it only because it falls on it's 316 and John loves what's his name? Stone Cold Steve Austin. Oh yeah. Austin 316. That's the only reason you remember is because of Stone Cold Steve Austin.
John Shull 39:39
Well, I'm gonna switch it up. Now. I had another BS question. But I this question. I want to know what your favorite birthday gift you've ever received has been
Nick VinZant 39:49
this snowglobe of my two year old son it's fucking Yeah, it's pretty good. I mean, it literally makes a weird how Like the most important things in your life are sometimes the little tiny, small things. It's just a snow globe with a picture of my then two year old in it, and I love it. It's my most prized possession. There was a fire in my house, I wouldn't get my computer or my phone. I would just get this snow globe. Makes me happy.
John Shull 40:17
Wow, I feel like you're being honest there. Yeah.
Nick VinZant 40:20
Yeah, I like it. And it's a good time. Other than that, I would say that probably the time I got I have never gotten good gifts for any of my birthdays or Christmases. I'm not someone who is easy to buy things for.
John Shull 40:37
You are probably a shithead when it comes to gift giving. I think
Nick VinZant 40:41
I'm a decent gift giver. But I'm not a good gift getter. I'm not an easy person to buy things for mostly because I really don't want anything. I want nothing. If somebody got me, like a junk removal, a gift certificate to a junk removal company to come in and get shit out of here. I would appreciate that.
John Shull 41:03
No one buying that.
Nick VinZant 41:05
But he's getting that I want to know stuff. That's my birthday idea of a good birthday. Would you get you nothing? Save money, and we don't have to throw anything away.
John Shull 41:15
Perfect. Got him a lush cake. Yeah, that's all I want. Give me a snow globe. Snow Globe. Maybe I'll buy you a snow globe with a picture of me in it.
Nick VinZant 41:27
That'd be fine. I'll take a snow glow. Anybody wants to send me snowglobes or themselves. I'll take a man I'm gonna have me a snowglobe collection. Oh my all the people I like all my enemies. And when I put people I like on one side and enemies on the other.
John Shull 41:40
That's actually quite genius. Can we talk about something for a second?
Nick VinZant 41:45
Sure. This is a podcast.
John Shull 41:47
So you Yeah, I said I sent myself over. Um, you posted on our Twitter page. I did not post this you did two days ago. So you know, we record this on on Mondays usually.
Nick VinZant 42:05
So it was this is Friday or Saturday? Because if it's a post that comes Okay, I'm gonna have our audience who we love all of our social media followers. But if you're seeing a post on Friday or Saturday night, from either myself or the Profoundly Pointless social media account, I'm Hi.
John Shull 42:22
Yeah, well, that's what I'm getting at. First off, this isn't for me. This is definitely from you. But I kind of have an issue with this. So here it is. An orgasm for a man is the same feeling as getting into a hot tub is for a woman.
Nick VinZant 42:40
Yeah, I would agree with that. Because an orgasm for a man is kind of like, ah, ah, I felt good. I needed that. My wife and I had this conversation. And she was like, oh, yeah, that's how I feel when I get into a hot tub. Like, ah, or a massage. For a woman. It's like, you gotta get it out. For our female audience. Like men when they go, it's like a relief. It's like, ah, ah, I think women enjoy it for a man. It's like that had to be done. And I liked it. I felt good.
John Shull 43:21
Okay, okay. You really took that one and ran with it. I didn't think you were gonna
Nick VinZant 43:27
get you don't agree that an orgasm for a man is like a massage or getting into a hot tub for a woman.
John Shull 43:35
I mean, I don't know what it's like that needed to be done. I can tell you as a man I don't I don't think getting into a hot tub is the same as you know.
Nick VinZant 43:44
I don't like hot tubs. I've always hated hot tubs. It's too fucking hot.
John Shull 43:50
Well, that is the point of our Dubs. All right. Well, we'll move on from that. Let's see a couple of things here to talk about. Let's see. The banks failing was one of them. Welcome during the recession, just starting out. But that didn't when March Madness kicks off. But no one really wanted to hear us talk about that thing. God I thought this one was getting a win but it didn't cocaine Wildcat apparently and I'm just gonna go through this briefly. Apparently a Wildcat was found wandering the streets in Cincinnati. High on some kind of drug.
Nick VinZant 44:30
What kind of wild cat are we talking about, though? Like a wild cat like a domestic cat that was just out in the wild. And actual wild cat. Like there's an animal that's called a wild cat. No, this looks like a bobcat. What kind of animal is it?
John Shull 44:46
This was just a wild space cats. A wild cat.
Nick VinZant 44:53
So it was just a domestic cat. That was wild.
John Shull 44:56
Yes. Okay, I I wonder though,
Nick VinZant 45:01
well, so it doesn't happen more often how much cocaine Did it have?
John Shull 45:06
Didn't really didn't really say just said that the drug test on the animal show that it had cocaine in its system. And apparently, I know that's, that's one of the things I was wondering spending
Nick VinZant 45:19
that money to do like, Okay, I understand, look, I have animals I care about animals. Do we need to be drug testing cats? Like is that? Was that a key component of the animals care?
John Shull 45:32
Well, to be fair, I guess I guess maybe
Nick VinZant 45:35
I just need to know what's wrong with it. I guess he guess he would get attacked. Okay, that makes sense.
John Shull 45:39
Well, they were apparently police guy, you know, in fire departments got calls that it was a leopard. I guess the actual name for this animal is called a serval s e r v. So
Nick VinZant 45:50
that's a wild cat. That's not a wild cat. It's like a wild animal. But it looks a wild cat. But it looks like
John Shull 45:59
a wild cat to me. But they're apparently they're from Sub Saharan Africa.
Nick VinZant 46:06
Right? That's a servile? That's a type of cat.
John Shull 46:08
You don't know what a circle is? Yeah, I
Nick VinZant 46:11
do. I've been to the zoo before.
John Shull 46:12
You don't know where Antarctic is.
Nick VinZant 46:16
And they have there's no servals in Antarctica. Now. Is there?
John Shull 46:19
No, because there's no cocaine editor in Antarctica.
Nick VinZant 46:22
Yeah, it's a wild cat. That's actually like a wild cat. Not a wild cat. Like there's a thing that's like a wild dog. It's not a wild dog. with it. Oh, my God, we've got to stop. We got to move on.
John Shull 46:37
I mean, this I agree.
Nick VinZant 46:38
We're never solving this. We're never solving this issue. All right. Well,
John Shull 46:41
what one were the Oscars? And I was hoping this one wouldn't win. Because I really don't care that much about the Oscars.
Nick VinZant 46:51
Didn't even know they were on. Yeah, I
John Shull 46:53
don't. You know, I was gonna I had all these questions. I was thinking about asking you. But I think I'm just gonna end by saying I'm happy for Brendan Fraser. He's a
Nick VinZant 47:05
Oh, good for him. Yeah, that's one person that you'd like, like you'd like to see a good redemption story. Especially somebody who's a nice guy that seems like they had a hard time.
John Shull 47:14
And like, I the kid that was with Indiana Jones with Harrison Ford. Remember the little little Asian boy that I think was in Raiders of the Lost Ark? He like one best director.
Nick VinZant 47:32
Holy shit. He stuck with it that long. Good for him.
John Shull 47:35
Good for him. Jimmy Lee Curtis, one Best Supporting Actress so good for her. Yeah, I mean, my argument with the Oscars is half of the best pictures aren't even out. You know, they're not even in theaters or been released yet. So how are normal people supposed to make those those determinations? Like how are we supposed to watch them and play? You know, Monday morning quarterback? You can't
Nick VinZant 48:00
know. I mean, it's for celebrating for the best in film, I believe. So it's the things that people who work in movies think are good, not necessarily the things that people think are good. Well, I still think Caddyshack is one of the big greatest movies of all time, but that doesn't have an Oscar. It should
John Shull 48:18
now and I probably never will, but that's fine. That's one of
Nick VinZant 48:21
the movies that to me. If I look back on it, like movies that I think should have gotten Oscars, Caddyshack, airplane.
John Shull 48:30
Yeah, those are basically Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
Nick VinZant 48:33
Planes, Trains and Automobiles should have gotten an Oscar. You got mail should have an Oscar.
John Shull 48:39
Tom Hanks is not that good of an actor. Let it go.
Nick VinZant 48:42
Okay, well, he is he's America's treasurer. Basically. He's probably one of the greatest actors of all time. Other than that guy who the milkshake guy. You drink my milkshake. Whoever that guy is. I don't know what his name is Daniel
John Shull 48:54
Day Lewis. Daniel Day Lewis.
Nick VinZant 48:56
Okay, so our top five is top five yellow things. What's your number five.
John Shull 49:03
So let's see. I'm gonna start off here with my number five as a school bus. Hmm,
Nick VinZant 49:10
very recognizable, but I don't necessarily associated with a lot of good memories.
John Shull 49:18
I mean, it represents children and in innocence and fun and field trips and school and not being an adult and not having to pay taxes and all that other good stuff.
Nick VinZant 49:30
Yeah, I guess it does kind of represent a funner time in life. I just remember being like long rides to shit I didn't want to go to like, let's go to the Children's Museum like Fuck, man. I'm 16 I don't want to go to a kid's Museum. Well, it was 16 Going kids museum. Okay, my number five is bananas.
John Shull 49:53
Okay, that's a that's a that's a good one. We'll see if I have them on my list.
Nick VinZant 50:00
Okay, okay, we're sure number four
John Shull 50:04
cheese, specifically like American cheese.
Nick VinZant 50:09
Hmm, I think that's a little bit low for cheese. I think that she should be a little bit higher but I certainly agree with cheese being on the list of yellow things, specifically American cheese. I think that most cheese is actually white. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of cheese that I associate cheese in my mind is being yellow. Even though most cheeses white,
John Shull 50:30
for all of our international listeners come over to America and get you some yellow Kraft cheese slices. You're never really got
Nick VinZant 50:39
it. Right. And if you're listening internet listening internationally or really hear the cheaper you go on cheese, it can be better. Cheese is one of those things that gets better as it gets cheaper to a certain degree.
John Shull 50:54
Definitely taste more like wax, that's for sure.
Nick VinZant 50:57
Um, my number four, I'm gonna get a little sentimental. My number four is leaves in the fall. When some leaves turn yellow man, they look like Damn. That's pretty. Like that's cool.
John Shull 51:08
Yeah, that's I mean, that's a good one. I mean, the I don't know how that sentimental but yeah, that's that's a good one.
Nick VinZant 51:16
Makes them you know, just makes you take a brief little pause in life. Think about where you are. Just nicer is just enjoy nature. No, okay. You sneeze very loudly after that. That's good part of nature is allergies. Don't you have a bunch of allergies?
John Shull 51:34
I do. Actually. I just started my my allergy regiment last Wednesday, so working capital.
Nick VinZant 51:44
Wait a minute, you have a regiment? What's like a business prescribed by a doctor like a serious thing? Or have you developed like your own regimen?
John Shull 51:52
Yeah, well, I mean, I just start taking allergy pills now. You know, it's what middle of March? Pretty much so. I mean, it's gonna be spring at some point in the next two months. So
Nick VinZant 52:04
why don't you use the no spray? My dad who is a retired family physician says the no spray is actually much better for you. I do I
John Shull 52:11
use flow nice. Absolutely. Oh, all right. You can't go wrong with Flonase can knock around flies.
Nick VinZant 52:18
You can't Okay. What's your number? Three,
John Shull 52:22
three, man. So this is man this is where it gets tough. My number three I'm going to put the Simpsons as my number three because they are yellow.
Nick VinZant 52:37
Hmm, I would make fun of that if I didn't have Pikachu is my number three.
John Shull 52:43
Which Pikachu is probably the more recognizable yellow character. I don't think people look at the Simpsons and go oh yeah, they're yellow. But they are.
Nick VinZant 52:55
Okay, so definitely when Okay, at what point how many years ago? Do you think that Pikachu eclipsed the Simpsons in terms of fame?
John Shull 53:06
Oh, I mean. I mean, probably when if probably within a year or two after it came out. I mean, Pick it. Pick the Pikachu brand is Pokemon is around the world. Yeah, it's not. I'm not saying the Simpsons aren't worldwide, but I think the pokimane are by far more popular than the Simpsons are.
Nick VinZant 53:28
For our audience that's maybe in their 20s I wonder if they know who the Simpsons are. They were that was a really big deal. That show was really good when John and I were growing up. But I don't know if people in their 20s would even like if it means anything to them. If they know who like The Simpsons are.
John Shull 53:48
It's kind of like South Park to in our generation. Like it's still on now. But I just feel like it isn't. You know, it isn't what it was. And once again, maybe I don't watch it anymore. Maybe it is super popular, but
Nick VinZant 54:03
but I know people who still watch South Park I feel like South Park has fans that have stuck around and kind of grown with the show. And then it has it's like its own cultural niche. Whereas I feel like The Simpsons really dropped out of that. I love the Simpsons. I love classic Simpsons. I don't think I've seen a new episode in 10 years. Or even thought about watching it. Okay, what's your number two?
John Shull 54:31
The McDonald's arch on the McDonald's sign.
Nick VinZant 54:35
Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. I don't know if it's top five worthy. It's definitely like a yellow thing that you notice though. I mean, how many people
John Shull 54:47
when you're a kid, you know, or just an adult. See the McDonald's and you just get happy? You know you're getting good food into me for a low price. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 55:01
I would say that that kind of applies to what my number two is. Although I would say that my number two is, you know, a better is BS.
John Shull 55:12
But I mean, here's the thing. Here's the thing about insects that I'll argue is do people really like bees?
Nick VinZant 55:19
Yeah, they do. Everybody likes bees, man. Everybody knows. First of all, you like bees. It's one of the few movies, one of the few insects that movies have been made about and not in like a scary way. Everybody likes bees. And you know that like, man, don't kill the bees. We need those people are protective of bees, not taking
John Shull 55:39
anything away from their importance within the ecosystem. But I'm also saying they're just I don't I don't think people actually like insects. They'll tell you they do like you are saying right now. But I don't think you actually do like bees.
Nick VinZant 55:56
No, I'd like to see the bees though. Like it's like, oh, it's a bee. It's like seeing nature. You don't want it next to you. Like you get a little bit worried when the bee comes around. But you do like to see them you're like, oh, good thing. There's still bees around. Okay, I need bees. Ma'am. You need the bees. Okay. What's your number one?
John Shull 56:18
We probably have the same number one I would imagine. But okay, my number one is the sun.
Nick VinZant 56:24
Well, the sun is white.
John Shull 56:28
Got it? Well,
Nick VinZant 56:29
this the sun's not yellow. It's white.
John Shull 56:32
Well, in in popular culture, it's yellow goddamnit.
Nick VinZant 56:37
Well, that will be wrong. It's why the sun is actually because I looked this up because I was going to put this on too. And I was like, wait a minute, what color is this sun and I was like, well, the sun is actually white. It's technically all colors, which is then defined as white. Yellow. The sun is white. My number one is cheese.
John Shull 56:55
I would have put it higher on my list except kind of what you said. yellow cheese is a very small percentage of cheese, though. Delicious. Yeah, it's a small percentage.
Nick VinZant 57:07
I do forgot. I really think that went in my mind because I only consider American and cheddar to be the main cheeses or Don't come at me with your Provolone bullshit. Swiss. Get out of here.
John Shull 57:20
Those aren't even good, like different kinds of cheeses, but
Nick VinZant 57:24
that's okay, Cheez Whiz. Let's
John Shull 57:26
hear what you've got. Give me some Gouda. Give me some I mean if you want to go simple, but fancy go.
Nick VinZant 57:33
Let's use your let's hear your fans. What fancy cheese do you have in your refrigerator right now.
John Shull 57:41
See, Chef
Nick VinZant 57:43
Boyardee?
John Shull 57:44
I have some brie. Have some gorgonzola.
Nick VinZant 57:48
God, you're such a snob. You really are such a snob when it comes to food. And
John Shull 57:55
I mean, the hall. I like both. Why Why would I there's a place in time for $4 menu and you know, Highlife. But, you know at the other end, why wouldn't I want to have a nice, you know, blueberry parmesan crusted Gorgonzola in a nice chicken salad. You know what I mean?
Nick VinZant 58:19
Because this is America. Um, I do, I can kind of understand the sun a little bit because even though it may technically be white, most people would associate the sun with being yellow. And it looks yellow when you try not to look at it, but do see it does look yellow.
John Shull 58:36
I live in a part of the world where we get sun like for five months. So I fucking love it makes you feel good. It gives you just natural energy. I'm not I used to get really angry when the sun would wake me up right like you're laying in bed the sun comes through the window wakes you up, you know, then you're up. You can't go back to sleep. I love it. Now when you know I wake up and there's sunrise on my my face.
Nick VinZant 59:04
Some people may be like at home or wherever listening to this and wonder what we're talking about. But I live in Seattle. And when the sun comes out, man you do feel better. Yeah, like it's like Ah, son, like just being in it. You do feel better as a person. What's in your honorable mentioned? Do you have any honorable mentions for your yellow?
John Shull 59:23
Yeah, so I have bananas. Mustard,
Nick VinZant 59:27
because it reminds me like mustard is pretty good. Mustard,
John Shull 59:30
hot dog things like that. Hot dogs. Basically food from here on out. Butter, scrambled eggs.
Unknown Speaker 59:40
Corn. Yeah.
John Shull 59:43
I only put him on the list because I think he deserves a spot on the honorable mention. But Big Bird.
Nick VinZant 59:48
Yeah, I could see Big Bird. You know? And then I Okay,
John Shull 59:53
I have rubber duckies yellow rubber duckies on the list for some reason. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 59:58
I had smiley face on there. Okay, that's a good smiley faces. I could see that. Um, the only other things I had besides that which you mentioned sunflowers Fire, fire can be yellow.
John Shull 1:00:13
See, I thought fire was blue. But if you say it's yellow, that's fine.
Nick VinZant 1:00:17
Fire can be in many colors. Fire can be red, orange, blue, and even white in some cases. I don't know if the white part's true. I think it's kind of got I got carried away a little bit there but it can be like Blue. Orange, red and yellow that's pretty much it. I have gold but I don't actually have any gold like I've never been like, oh gold. I don't think Do you have any gold yellow? I
John Shull 1:00:43
don't think gold is yellow.
Nick VinZant 1:00:44
Well, it's gold. But I guess it's like a subset of yellow.
John Shull 1:00:49
No, I don't have any I don't like gold. I mean, I would like gold if I had gold. But I don't I don't have any gold. I don't have any gold either. If you want to send us some gold, send it to me not to nick.
Nick VinZant 1:01:02
I have silver from a aunt, like great, great aunt that has silver. And my mother used to always ask me like where's the silver and I never had the heart to tell her I have no idea. Somewhere on and that's where
John Shull 1:01:20
it is. Pond is long gone.
Nick VinZant 1:01:27
Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a rating or a review. Doesn't have to be some big paragraph can just be something quick. Like the show. John does have a fantastic swinging voice. Anything really helps us out and let us know what you think are some of the best yellow things. The sun is a little bit debatable to me. Because while it's not actually yellow, it is yellow. Like I get that it's white. But if I think and all of us think that it's yellow, doesn't that kind of make it yellow?
