Brandee Anthony is best known as the Vero Beach Mermaid. But for her, being a Professional Mermaid isn't just a dream, it's a career. One that involves specialized dive training, expensive equipment and occasionally, thick skin. We talk becoming a Professional Mermaid, Mermaid diving courses, tails that can cost tens of thousands and why mermaids are soaring in popularity. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Mythical Creatures.
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Interview with Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony
Nick VinZant 0:11
Welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant. Coming up in this episode mermaids and myths,
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 0:19
I definitely did not grow up thinking I was going to be a professional mermaid, the silicone tail, which is like the top of the tiers of tails. Those range anywhere from two to $20,000. And to me, I tell people, it's like unlocking a superpower. Everyone will say,
Nick VinZant 0:39
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it. It really helps out the show. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. I want to get right to our first guest. This is professional mermaid brandy Anthony. Professional mermaid sounds pretty self explanatory. But But what is this, like in reality, in actuality,
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 1:11
I do a lot of different things. It can be anything from performing entertaining, conservation charity, I also have a dive school where I teach other people how to be a mermaid and how to freedive I photograph people in mermaid tails. I'm a content creator. So there's a lot that can go into what being a professional mermaid means.
Nick VinZant 1:34
Like, it's for me, I wouldn't have guessed this would be like a career. Did you kind of make this a career? Or was this
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 1:43
I definitely did not grow up thinking I was going to be a professional mermaid. I fell into it. Almost seven years ago now. I was live streaming on an app called Periscope. I was doing that full time. And I'm like, how else can I kind of do something interesting and new with live streaming? And no one really goes live underwater. So I thought this would be so epic. Let me do a whole live stream underwater. But how can I make it interesting, and I don't really remember where I got it in my mind that I a mermaid would be an interesting like thing to do. But I decided I was gonna buy a mermaid tail and get the GoPro and rig it all up and do this beautiful mermaid performance underwater. And I had never swam in a tail before the live stream. And everything went really well. And I was just completely hooked as soon as I put that thing on. And then next thing I knew I started a little Facebook page, I created the name Vero Beach mermaid. And I started going viral pretty quickly realized that a lot of people loved seeing the mermaid stuff. And next thing I knew I had a full fledged mermaid company.
Nick VinZant 3:00
Were you surprised that people were so interested in it?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 3:06
I wouldn't say I was surprised. I know that we as humans have always been obsessed with the idea of Atlantis and you know, people being able to be half fish, half human. And you know all of the folklore that comes behind mermaids and the mythology of a mermaid has been around for such a long time. So we've always been fascinated with it. So I knew that with my own love for mermaids and mermaid art mermaid folklore that it's not surprising people would enjoy it. I just didn't think it would yield so much of a career success than just entertainment to people.
Nick VinZant 3:47
What is it about mermaids that kind of draws you to them?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 3:52
I think it's different for everyone. For me, it's it's the water aspect. It's that someone with human qualities to them can live in the underwater world, which for a lot of us who love to dive and love to swim. That's just kind of that dream state. So when you think about if you could be turned into anything, what would it be? It would be for me someone who could be underwater, which is the mermaid. So I've always loved just the lore of living underwater. I think that's my biggest draw to the mermaid stuff.
Nick VinZant 4:26
I'm not a huge water person. But I could see where people would enjoy it. I just get too scared. So like of the professional mermaid businesses, right? Like I know that you have courses do photography or scuba diving all kinds of different things. Which aspect of it would you say is the biggest
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 4:44
right now? For me, it's the I own a company called mermaid freedive. So we do all inclusive retreats, and there are basically four days of Patty mermaid and Patty freedive. training to get your certifications. And then we infuse meditation, breath work yoga, acro yoga, all of these other modalities into the four day experience freediving is, is for everyone, but is not easy. So, you know, combining that mermaid thing with a true sport like freediving has become kind of a my greatest success in the mermaid Business Is everyone seeing these online videos and seeing the beautiful tails and wanting a little piece of that for themselves?
Nick VinZant 5:32
I want to ask you about the tails in a second because if people's ever seen him, like holy crap, that's a lot of work that looks like it goes into that. But so for the courses like are you teaching them? And it just happens to be mermaid? Are you like specifically No, like this is?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 5:47
So Patti, the dive organization has a program specifically designed to teach mermaid eating skills, which are you know, diving down to certain depths, learning how to hold your breath, learning how to do tricks and somersaults and how to blow bubble rings and do performance things. All while having good form and really honing in on safety. Because breath holding and diving in general, like there are some risks, especially when you put a mermaid tail on. So learning how to safely rescue a blackout or rescue and LMC or, you know, different scenarios that could happen out in the water, and just becoming a steward of the water and a safe one.
Nick VinZant 6:31
So is it mostly women? Who are professional mermaids are in the mermaid classes? Or is I guess what some? What's a mermaid Merman?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 6:40
Is there a merman man and merfolk you know, how you identify? I would say the industry is predominantly female. But in the pro space, there's a ton of different people, um, that are not all just females. But when it comes to my particular courses, I think I mostly attract women. I do have some men attend the retreats or the different courses. The freediving side attracts more of our male audience, and the mermaid side naturally attracts more of the female. We also do couples retreats so that people can come out and both learn the skills whether mermaid or freediving. My partner is a free dive instructor and he teaches a lot of the guys had a free dive. But we have a decent combination of people.
Nick VinZant 7:36
So how popular would you say this is right? And I know that's kind of halt hard to quantify but are you scrounging for customers are turning in the way to be dramatic.
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 7:45
It is definitely becoming more mainstream. I'd seven years ago when I when I would say I'm a professional mermaid, everyone would look at me weird. And now when I say it, everyone knows somebody that has a tail or is a mermaid of some sorts. And Patty, which we certified through does a lot of certifications in mermaid now the program is fairly new, but in 2022 I did I think it was like 155 Mermaid certifications. So I'm not scrounging for clients. I always have room to have more people come out to this stuff. But it's it's an application process, usually for the retreats just to make sure that you're a good fit for that type of experience versus our courses. But yeah, I don't have to scrap for them. There's actually a lot of people out there that want to come to this experience. I call it the ultimate adult sleepover.
Nick VinZant 8:48
I always think of those things of like Rockstar camp, right? We're like people who wanted to be musicians, we go to rock star camp. It seems kind of like Princess camp in the water. Is that an unfair characterization or kind of fair.
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 9:03
So I think it would depend on the mermaid that you talk to, I'm very much into the sport side of mermaid thing. So the breath holding the depth, the skills, the performance that you can create. Not the pretty aspect. So much. So I would definitely say it's not for princesses. It's for days of a lot of dive training in some semi chilly water. And we don't wear the tails for most of our training, we wear wetsuits and masks and we have on a full monofin and a weight belt and like the whole the whole freedive get up. We only put the tails on for like the fun day. But it's a lot of actual hard work
Nick VinZant 9:46
for people. The way that let's say the being dramatic here, right the outside world so to speak. Is it viewed as weird by people?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 9:57
Yeah, not as much now because it's become popular, and because you can go to a store and see a mermaid tail for sale. whereas years ago, you you, couldn't you no one knew of that. But I definitely still have my share of people who think like, Oh, she's delusional, maybe she wasn't loved enough as a child was one of the comments once. But for the most part, it's actually received really positively, especially when they see what kind of business I pull as a career move from this, and how many people it's helped them, you know, heal something or become a safe person in the water, or a lot of people were fearful of being underwater when they came to these retreats. And now they love the water, and they want to protect the water. And so I definitely get the that's the weird fish girl face. But it's not as common as you think it is.
Nick VinZant 11:00
But have you built it up more than other people?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 11:03
I'm up there. But there are, I wouldn't say quite a few I'd probably say make, there's maybe a couple of handfuls of other people who are at this level of pro mermaid. And then you have a lot of people who are more hobbyists, they might do a little bit of performing, it's a side job or something for fun. Versus the few of us were like this is an entire career. But the community itself is huge. The mermaid community and how many people are enthusiastic about all of the mermaid stuff is is pretty large,
Nick VinZant 11:36
I was really impressed by the tails. Like to me they look like they're heavy, or they have some weight to them. And they look expensive.
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 11:45
Yes to all of that depends on the tail. So we have a few levels of tails. The base level is a fabric tail, it's just made of like kind of like swimsuit material. And then you have a mono fin that you can put inside of it. Those range anywhere from three to $800 with the mono fin, and they're pretty light, they're, you know, probably under 10 pounds, then the silicone tail, which is like the top of the tiers of tails. Those range anywhere from two to $20,000. And they can weigh anywhere from 25 to 50 pounds $20,000.
Nick VinZant 12:25
Like why is
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 12:28
that pretty rare to come across one that's that expensive, but they do exist because they are so intricately created the normal standard price, I would say you're looking at like three to 6000 which is still, but you have to figure it, it takes an artist years of skill to get to the point of sculpting a mermaid tail, and then pouring silicone and pulling the mold and putting the whole tail together and then hand painting the tail. And it's all custom to each client, what they like their measurements. It's a very intricate process that takes weeks for one of them to be created. And then you have the materials on top of that the dragon silicone is pretty expensive, too. So it's an it's really a working piece of art. It's a usable, wearable piece of art.
Nick VinZant 13:23
When you look at the tails, like what are most people looking for? Are they using it to swim? Or is it more of like a photo I want to wear this at the beach kind of thing.
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 13:35
I would say most people are interested in swimming in them. That's the allure, they see our videos diving in them, which is why they come to do the mermaid free dive training is so that they can learn to swim in them. And that our courses start from age six to there is no age limit. And a lot of people I think get the tails so they can swim. There's probably a few that don't want to swim, just like to you know, feel like a mermaid and take some cool photos. But I would say majority would like to swim in them.
Nick VinZant 14:08
So I'm sure you've heard this one before. Right? Like people conceptualize anything. Is there some aspect of that involved in this?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 14:19
Not for me, I mean, I don't involve that aspect into my work at all. And I really don't get any feedback online that is in that nature. I know that it exists, but it's not something that's ever been something that I've created in my work and it's not something that I've had to experience. We get the occasional the term is Mirvac segregates occasional mer vert, but other than that, no, I that hasn't been you know something that's been a part of what I do in the mermaid stuff, but it, it is society and society will literally sexualize anything, unfortunately. But I am lucky that that's never been something that I've had to deal with
Nick VinZant 15:11
is that though some is that it's not unreceived Darkside right, because whatever people are into, like do your thing I don't care. Um, but is that a known side of the industry amongst professional mermaids and like some people will Oh, and some people won't?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 15:30
I would say no, I would say, I don't know anybody that works in that space with mermaid stuff. I wouldn't be naive to think it exists. But among all of the professionals that I've been surrounded around, or I've worked with, that's not even something that like is a topic of discussion or something that's ever like brought up in a conversation. It's not something like we, I think that the most odd requests I ever got, was to be in my tail, like for a sushi party, and they wanted to put sushi all over me and I was like, it, thank you, but it is a hard no for me. Whereas there are, you know, other entertainers who, you know, might do that, but they're probably not pro mermaids. They're probably like a model or a performer putting a tail on to do something like that. Versus a professional mermaid. No, that wouldn't be a common thing
Nick VinZant 16:32
that makes sense, right? Like that. Probably side of things does exist, but maybe they target a different demographic, if that's what they're interested in. Um, are you ready for some harder slash listener submitted questions, because we have a bunch of them? Sure. Okay. Let's get that. Let's get this one out of the way. First, how long into a conversation with somebody before they bring up Ariel?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 16:57
That would be within. There's actually one thing Trump's Ariel, it's the wiki watching mermaids. I don't know if you've ever heard of them. But if there's a spring here in Florida called wiki watchI springs, and they've had a mermaid show, for I don't know when it started, but it goes way back, I think, like 50 years or so. And they're these amazing performers that you know, perform in the spring water and there's like a glass wall and you can sit and watch the performance. And that's the first thing everybody asks is Oh, you must be wiki watch your which you washy. They say it a different way every time. That's always first. So Ariel usually comes up second. And that's within a couple minutes of the conversation is you must want to be Ariel, you must be obsessed with the Little Mermaid. And then of course, I've had red hair for a long time. Not currently, but I do get pretty red. And I think people think I'm trying to cause play her but I'm not surprisingly enough. But it is definitely you know, I get pointed out a lot. That that that's Ariel walking around with her human legs. So I would say pretty. Pretty early on in a conversation
Nick VinZant 18:13
does it make your icon a twitch? Or is it just like, he just gotta you just gotta accept it right? Like, I'm, like Tom Hanks getting yelled, Run Forrest run, like you just, there's nothing you can do about it. And that's just gonna happen. Yeah,
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 18:27
it doesn't bother me. I, I have blue eyes and red hair. So like, I'm asking for it. I feel like anyways. But no, it doesn't bother me at all.
Nick VinZant 18:39
Is this becoming more or less popular recently? And when do you think that change kind of seemed to happen? Was there something that just kicked it off? Or did it happen organically?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 18:51
That's a good question. I would say it rose in popularity in the last five years. I'm not sure why I know that. That's when I discovered it. And prior to that I had no idea there was pro mermaids and that tail makers existed. And I feel like most the people I know who work in this industry are also within the last seven years. So I don't know if it's just when tail makers started, like really, you know, started putting themselves out there. I know only a few people who've been doing this like more than 10 years. So I would definitely say it's just started in popularity. The live action Little Mermaid comes out soon. And that will definitely bring up the interest and then Black Panther and Avatar. The two second editions. Also both hugely helped the freedive industry, which is what Mermaid King is, so we've had a lot more interest in learning to freedive because both of those movies were so heavily based underwater, and all of the actors underwent freediving training to Do those movies. I think it was Sigourney Weaver. Got a six minute breath hold while training for Avatar two, which is insane. And I don't know when you know it might lose popularity I just know that mermaids have never lost popularity in our in our history of folklore and mythology. It's always been a fascination you see mermaids everywhere. And I don't see that, you know, kind of going away. And then I don't see kids ever not loving mermaids, so I think it's going to always stay. And then you know, when we see movies like a new Little Mermaid, it will just increase that interest during that time.
Nick VinZant 20:41
What's the appeal of like? Why free divers opposed to scuba diving like why? What's the
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 20:47
that's a great question. As probably one of my favorite questions why free dive right? Like why hold your breath if you can be on air. Scuba diving is amazing. It has its place but it has so much gear. It is heavy, it's intrusive, it's just you know, it's you really have to put in time to go do a scuba dive. Whereas free diving, you can be 100%, gearless, you don't have to wear anything if you don't want to. And it's just learning how to connect your mind and body in a way where you can feel calm when you maybe feel like you shouldn't. And to me, I tell people, it's like unlocking a superpower. Everyone will say, Oh, I can't hold my breath more than 30 seconds. And most of those people when we work with them, we can get them to a two minute breath hold on their first or second try. And to see them like light up like wow, I can hold my breath for multiple minutes is such a superpower and then learning how to equalize on a single breath. So going deep without air is just such an incredible feeling. It's hard to describe. But when you're pulling down a line and you're just with yourself, and there's nothing else you can't hear anything, you really can't think about other things. It is an incredibly meditative experience. So not only is it just a fun challenge, but it's something that I think learning how to properly breathe and how to properly hold your breath can be applied to everything in your daily life, how to calm yourself down in any stressor starts with something like holding your breath. And the other thing is you can pop up and down in freediving. Whereas scuba, you have a lot more you know, things you need to adhere to time on the top, you know time to to do your stop. There's different risks with scuba diving and free diving is just a bit more natural and free but obviously you can't stay down as long so I think they both have their place if you enjoy being in the water.
Nick VinZant 22:56
Like this question that follows up to it. Does all this then make snorkeling? Lame?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 23:02
So scuba divers are kind of funny, right? They a lot of them don't get free diving because they're they scuba dive. They're like why wouldn't you want to breathe? So whenever we're on the scuba boats as free divers that they always say, oh, look out the extreme snorkelers are coming.
Nick VinZant 23:22
That's pretty good. And
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 23:23
that is what it is. It is extreme snorkeling.
Nick VinZant 23:26
I don't know if that makes it more. I don't know what I don't know if I give me and if they were like a be testing that in marketing. I don't know like extreme snorkeling. I don't know if I might be a little more interested in extreme snorkeling than free diving. Free diving sounds
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 23:43
like who would use the term Free diving but you know, that's that's what it is. You are snorkeling half the time and you're diving half the time.
Nick VinZant 23:52
Yeah. Best best mermaid in media fiction, that kind of stuff. Worst mermaid in media fiction.
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 24:02
I am not that good with mermaids in the media. Everyone always has this misconception that like I probably have seen every mermaid movie and like no every mermaid character because I am a pro mermaid. I only just saw splash for the first time a couple of years ago because I was so tired of people giving me the you haven't seen splash face. So I would say I loved Daryl Hannah as a mermaid she is probably one of the few mermaids who had a real silicone mermaid tail made. So the process that she went through to have this tail made the extensive time she had to sit in this silicone tail is pretty impressive. So I would probably rate her number one just because she actually had to work really hard. Whereas a lot of mermaid stuff is CGI. And it's you know, I can't really appreciate appreciate a CGI me are made versus someone who put the whole get up on.
Nick VinZant 25:03
What if, though, okay, but what if this was reversed and it was fish, upper body, human lower body.
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 25:13
So I had a moment on social media and I didn't catch it. But I did this, like I held on to the rope underwater, and I was a free divers, so I was in human form. And I like went to do a back stretch, and it's being filmed and a fish swam by. And if you pause, the moment that fish swims by in the video, it completely replaces my head, instead of a bunch of people have screenshotted it and sent it to me, and it's a fish's head with my freedive. And I was I was kind of here for it. I kind of like it.
Nick VinZant 25:46
Yeah. One way seems pretty practical. The other way seems like a huge pain in the ass. Right? Like,
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 25:53
it seems impractical the other way, but I, I would still support it.
Nick VinZant 25:59
Um, how can people get involved in conservation, I know you do a lot for ocean conservation, water conservation in general.
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 26:07
Yeah, I always tell everybody that the best way to get involved is to educate yourself first and foremost, to be aware of the issues that are out there to start raising more discussions about the issues that we have, obviously, water is our entire life force. And if we don't have good warm water, we're not going to survive. So when you know, people maybe don't take an interest in water and protecting it, it's interesting, because you know, we can't survive without it. And almost all waterways have something they're fighting against. Like, for instance, the Florida Springs is dealing with our aquifers are drying out, due to pumping too much water out of them. And they're also getting a lot of pollution from runoff from farms, fertilizers, sewage, things like that our oceans are facing, you know, the warming of the seas, the coral is dying at a rapid rate, there's a lot of different things, the Great Lakes, you know, the lakes have their own issues. So there's a lot out there and it can feel overwhelming. So I always just say, think of a body of water that is close to your heart, a stream, a lake, a river, the ocean, and then learn about the things that it's up against. And then from there, you can start to learn how you might be able to make an impact, whether that's using less water at home, ditching the plastic water bottles, you know, ditching organizations that are harmful to the waterways, things like that, because it's quite a rabbit hole of overwhelm. But there's a lot of ways we can kind of just actively get involved and start making more changes so that we have coral reefs for generations to come. And we have, you know, enough drinking water for the generations to come as well.
Nick VinZant 28:02
Do people seem to be more serious about it? lately? I mean, I think I know in the past, right, like, there was save everything, you know, and I think that people were kind of like, okay, all right. But do people seem like they're taking it more seriously now? Or is it still kind of like, okay, save the water.
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 28:21
I think it's becoming more serious, like, like, for instance, the sunscreen, it's very easy to buy a product that's not harmful to fish and coral versus a product that is, and because everybody is like, Okay, if it's that simple of this one is going to kill the ocean. And this one isn't. Let me make the switch to the point where the brands are now having to make the switch as well, and take those harmful things out of the product. So as a consumer, if we just don't support something that is so blatantly harmful, when there is an alternative, it's going to make that entire company have to rearrange, we as the consumers are in control. Unfortunately, I think we just let the brands control us a lot of times. But if we really pick and choose what we consume, we can change the narrative. So something as simple as changing up your sunscreen when you're gonna get in a natural body of water. You know, it's a small thing I know, people will listen to be like, That's the least of our worries. But if that's the way you think of things, we're never gonna get anywhere. And if we bombard people with like, everything's terrible, that's not going to help people either. So just small adjustments and we call it being imperfectly sustainable, finding ways in our imperfect lives to help reduce and you know, use use less.
Nick VinZant 29:51
Is there like a hotbed of professional mermaids or mermaid activity for people? I imagine it's gotta be on the coast, but it's it's like it's Florida, bigger than Texas or Hawaii. Is there kind of like, Oh, you gotta go here.
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 30:02
So China is the biggest. That is where a lot of mermaid eating originated. So like in the patty program, Patty, Asia is the ones that actually created the mermaid program. And then Patty Americas is now you know, bringing that on in the English language, but it actually was written over there. So China has has beat the world record for the most mermaids in a body of water. I know that the Marines over here are hoping to beat that record eventually, but it's massive there. It's a huge thing. I would say in America, Florida is definitely going to be your biggest because of the warm weather year round. And then California also is hugely popular with mermaids. The Florida springs definitely bring a lot of a lord summer meeting to our state, because it's crystal clear water that is perfect for a mermaid and everybody wants to come visit. And that's where everyone who wants to be a pro is kind of moving to is here in Florida.
Nick VinZant 31:10
That's pretty much all the questions that I have what's kind of coming up next for you? How can people learn more?
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 31:17
So you can visit my website mermaid freedive.com. I also have Vero Beach mermaid Dotco depending on you know whether you want to be a mermaid, higher a mermaid, whatever it might be, that lures you into the mermaid world, we pretty much have something you know, for everyone. Not everyone, but almost everyone
Nick VinZant 31:39
yatta yatta. Not missing one
Professional Mermaid Brandee Anthony 31:43
key niche there, but it's a lot of fun. And if you just like to see what I'm talking about, just you know, going on social media and looking up Vero Beach mermaid or mermaid freedive. I have tons of diving videos just talking about and seeing everything that I've talked about in this in this chat. Yeah, either come get certified or just watch from afar.
Nick VinZant 32:08
I want to thank Brandi so much for joining us if you want to connect with her, we have linked to her on our social media sites. We're Profoundly Pointless on Twitter, Tiktok, and Instagram, and we've also included her information in the episode description. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw, and get to the pointless part of his show. Do you believe in things like mermaids, Yeti, those kinds of stuff?
John Shull 32:36
I do not. And I have a valid reason as to why I don't. We've been around and there's been media for what at least 150 years pictures video. I mean, has there ever been a Loch Ness Monster actually caught on tape? Or actually been a Sasquatch proven? No,
Nick VinZant 32:58
I would believe it more in the past. And I would now especially just because everybody basically has a phone with him or a camera with him at all times. And we have like trail cameras that are set up. So I don't the only there's only one or two that I would be like, Okay, maybe someday that we would actually find one. Like anything in the ocean. I could see one day that like, oh, that might actually be true. I will say
John Shull 33:25
this is that I kind of know obviously neither of us grew up in the 40s 50s 60s. But I think there is a sense of creativity that goes along with these things that has gone now.
Nick VinZant 33:37
You feel like something's been lost. I do the miss the old days.
John Shull 33:43
I mean, I don't miss the old days, but I miss the ability to what I say I miss it, I miss the thought of being able to, to start something like that, and then have it go on through through decades. I think some of our creativity and imagination is is gone because of things like that.
Nick VinZant 34:05
I don't know if we've lost any of it or not. But I do think that we need to have some of that in the world. Like I think that there has to be a certain amount of magic. What do you do though? Have you ever dealt with somebody who like really believes in something that you think is absolutely crazy? Like, what's your approach for handling that? Like if you're talking to somebody and they're like, You know what? Aliens visited me yesterday?
John Shull 34:30
I know somebody in my life that when 100% thinks they're visited by ghosts every week,
Nick VinZant 34:36
every week. Is it in their house? Wait, do they believe that they have a haunted house? Or do they just think that they're like being visited by ghosts while walking around? Like during their daily lives?
John Shull 34:49
I mean, all of it, all of it in between. I'm not gonna even waste any time on that other than to say that this person, even when there's a draft in the room With and you can clearly see where the draft is coming from, will say, you know, there's a spirit in the house.
Nick VinZant 35:06
I tried to not acknowledge it in any way. Because I feel like any sort of acknowledgment whether I agree with that person's beliefs, or if I kind of disagree and be like, No, it's just gonna make the situation worse. Like, I just, if somebody's talking about stuff like that with me, I just want that situation to end as quickly as possible.
John Shull 35:27
The best way I've actually had this discussion before, but other people think of it along the lines of politics, right? Everyone takes aside, and they fight that side to the bitter end without hearing each other or wanting to think of facts. As I started this conversation off, if there was, I mean, throw anything out there. If there was a Bigfoot, it would have been proven by now. It just would have been.
Nick VinZant 35:56
Yeah, I think so. And I think the problem is, like we've talked about with conspiracy theories, it's always the aspect of logistics, because it can't just be one big foot, right? Like big foots got to be getting busy with other big foots. And there's got to be a lot of big foot. So there can't just be one there has to be. I'm not an animal expert, there probably has to be hundreds, if not 1000s, in order to maintain that population of Bigfoot. So there shouldn't be tons of them just up there. That's the difficulty I see it. That's that right? The only reason why I couldn't believe it in the water, where we can't really see him. We don't know what's going on down there.
John Shull 36:33
But if there's a squid the size of a school, a school building, I mean, you're you're gonna see it at some point.
Nick VinZant 36:41
It has to be it's interesting to me that right? Like if you think about other kinds of animals, there's always like other kinds of animals that are kind of like those animals. Like whales have sharks, like there's big sharks. People are the only things without like other people. There's not like a subset of us another intelligent creature.
John Shull 37:01
Okay, here's a question for you out of out of these, these these three things, a primal creature. And we'll say like that, that can be a caveman. Humans now. Or a robot? Which one would you pick? If you if you had a choice to be?
Nick VinZant 37:17
Am I a robot? Or am I a cyborg? No, fuck, because if I'm a robot, I don't really exist. But am I like a cyborg? Like, I've just got my brain. But I've got robotic parts.
John Shull 37:28
Yeah, you're like Robocop?
Nick VinZant 37:31
Well, that would be the best. I would actually if somebody I would sign up for that immediately. If we had that down, and somebody's like, look, we can replace some of your body parts. With cybernetics, I would absolutely do that. I would go both legs in a heartbeat. Mostly because I've gotten to the age where my knees are starting to hurt, like for no reason. So I would replace both my legs and it's not like I would miss my, you know, no, I miss feeling the breeze on my thigh. Right. So I would do both legs in a heartbeat. I probably do one arm real quick, too.
John Shull 38:05
I'm probably in the minority of this. But I think I would love to go back to like the primal stages.
Nick VinZant 38:12
I then die at 20 That's the
John Shull 38:14
thing, right? You know, maybe if I could be guaranteed to live to 50 or 60, or something I don't know to have a full life. But we both know I've fallen over a cliff at like age seven. So
Nick VinZant 38:25
yeah, that's the problem. You would go back, teleported back or teleported back into that time, and you'd have no idea what to do. I bet that was hard as shit, honestly.
John Shull 38:35
I mean, but But once again, that's human evolution. And I'm not saying that's bad or good or and I don't want to get in that debate. But I'm just saying, if they if those people hadn't flipped over cliffs, then we'd still be doing it. And sometimes we still do it as as where we're at now as humans. It's kind of like you can apply that to the mythical creature arguments. You know, a Loch Ness Monster may have started, you know, with the cavemen. And it has gone until now, but it's not it's not anywhere near what it was. Because it's been. It's been proven several times that it's just a log, right. Like it's not an actual monster floating in, you know, in Scotland, or Ireland, wherever the hell it is.
Nick VinZant 39:19
I can't remember it's the locks it's up there somewhere might be Wales for all we know. I'm always fascinated by how we figured out certain things would kill you. Like how did we accidentally find that out? Like, I don't think this will kill you. But just as an example, like mixing Mentos and Coca Cola, right, we've all seen those videos like how did we figure out that certain things would like oh, that's gonna kill you. Like somebody had to die that way. And like, whoa, and probably multiple people had to die like that before we figured out that we shouldn't do that.
John Shull 39:51
I mean, well, like don't go outside
Nick VinZant 39:53
during a lightning storm. Like how many people had to get killed by lightning before we as a civilization figured out like hey, Gotta get low. I don't
John Shull 40:01
want to make the argument that we are dumber now than when we were cavemen just based upon the either that or humans have run out of trial and error things to do. So we're trying Mentos and Coke imploding our stomachs.
Nick VinZant 40:18
Well, we've evolved to the state of boredom. That's the difficulty. We our lives are now so easy that we become bored with them. And now we have to make things more difficult. But I don't think that you would really want to go back to those times, I think it'd be really hard. I think you can make an argument that you know what, maybe we aren't designed as people to be working in computers and sitting around all day, that we have lost a certain amount of ourselves, but I still don't think that you would want to go back to living like that, and how difficult it really was like, wait a minute, we don't have air conditioning. I gotta go find food.
John Shull 40:54
That that would be the toughest part, I think and I, if we were to poll 100 people, I bet you like sleeping outside or under very little shelter. And food would be the number one, number one and two concerns.
Nick VinZant 41:07
I think that if we polled people, there would be a certain percentage of people that would say like, yeah, I would actually absolutely want to go back to living like that. But then I bet if we polled people like a year after living like that, they'd be like, hell no, I don't want to do that again. Like even the most outdoorsy person that's like I lived in the woods for six months, would probably be like, You know what? I really don't want to go back to that. Okay, are you ready for a shout out yet?
John Shull 41:36
I am I listened. We were we were having a great conversation about Bigfoot and King Kong and cavemen. It's awesome. I forgot about King Kong. I wonder if people looked at us who they would think was more primal just by looking at you and I?
Nick VinZant 41:52
Probably you.
John Shull 41:53
Yeah. Yeah, you look much more refined and polished, which is a good thing.
Nick VinZant 41:57
Yeah. Yeah, I'm much more like kind of city boy. Well, not even city boy. I mean, you look like a city boy, which oddly enough is that I probably have. Just because of where I grew up much more wilderness skills.
John Shull 42:10
Yeah, I mean, you grew up in Kansas money and we're gonna go eat marshmallows out of a taste. I had a that's not how they talked about Kansas. And I apologize to all the Kansas Kansas kids.
Nick VinZant 42:22
People are very offended.
John Shull 42:23
Well, Michigan's governor doesn't even know what she calls her own people. So let's that's fantastic. It's Michigander for God's sakes. Gretchen. All right. Let's give some shout outs here.
Nick VinZant 42:34
What do you call him? A Michigander? Yeah,
John Shull 42:37
Michiganders?
Nick VinZant 42:39
Well, that's just dumb, though. I mean, what a terrible way of referring to it.
John Shull 42:43
I mean, well, how else are you supposed to? I mean, people who live
Nick VinZant 42:47
in Michigan, right? Like that's one of those things where like, the, whatever that word is supposed to be right? Whatever the name of that is that you refer to people. Right? Like, they should just skip that for Michigan. Like, oh, well, it would be Michiganders. Now let's just call them people who live in Michigan. That's better. Like Kansas, Kansas. Washingtonians. That's another bad one. Some states should just leave that aspect out of it. That's just all on people who live here.
John Shull 43:18
I should be a top five at some point. State nicknames are like you know how they identify residents as like Texans. As much as
Nick VinZant 43:26
Texans is fine. Yeah, Californians. New Yorkers is okay. Iowans Illinoisans, like that one Nope. leaving that alone. Illinois, what would you even say?
John Shull 43:42
South Dakota Waianae South Dakotans North Dakotans, I have no idea
Nick VinZant 43:46
that's not too bad. Wyoming, Wyoming years.
John Shull 43:50
Hawaiian wines is pretty simple. That's fine. That's fine. It's got to be short.
Nick VinZant 43:54
It's got to be Kansas, Hawaiians, Texans Californians. If you got to think about like no way we can't say it that way. Then you guys got to go with people who live here. Vermonters New Hampshire writes, New Hampshire is awful New Hampshire fronts
John Shull 44:13
Oregonians? Is that Is that what they say out there?
Nick VinZant 44:15
That's pushing it that's about as far as you can go and still be acceptable. Oregonians always wonder why
John Shull 44:21
Oregon's even a state but it's fine.
Nick VinZant 44:25
I mean, the Oregon Trail because of the video game Oregon Trail. That's why and wow, people who are not of John and I's generation. Probably the greatest thing you missed out on is Oregon Trail playing Oregon Trail and school getting dysentery and dying.
John Shull 44:42
It was fun. I think there's a lot though from our generation that the now generations miss out on like 15 tacos at Taco Bell.
Nick VinZant 44:50
Man I remember getting like six verse. Oh, man, I remember getting like 12 tacos for $6. Yeah, who?
John Shull 44:58
I remember going to McDonald's Two for three fillet of fishes. Let's go.
Nick VinZant 45:03
Oh man, five for five at Arby's. Oh my god. That's still to me is probably the best food deal of all time five for five at Arby's.
John Shull 45:13
Yeah, they didn't they didn't do that for too long you realize that because they realized they were getting boned on cost probably.
Nick VinZant 45:20
Right that was that was borderline we might be we might be losing money here but that was the best food food deal was five for five at Arby's.
John Shull 45:29
Somebody brought this up the other day that there is no such thing as fast food anymore. It's all luxury, fast food because everything is expensive, that even the dollar menus are like $1.50 now or $1.75.
Nick VinZant 45:44
I don't know man, if you honestly get I learned this if you go and you get kids stuff, which is generally fine. Like I can feed myself and my two kids for eight bucks. You can go to Wendy's we get three burgers, a fry, and two Frosties and you're good to go. That's $8 you can still live pretty cheaply, if you want to like food is still fairly cheap. You just got to kind of be willing to not really get what you want. Like okay, well that will work.
John Shull 46:11
I went to Wendy's a week ago, I spent $64 on myself.
Nick VinZant 46:16
That's an I don't know what you're doing. How do you even do?
John Shull 46:19
I'm kidding. That's that's a lie. I don't know how you do that as a as one person spending, like if you're actually eating for real. I don't know how you get $64 of anything fast food wise. All right. All right. All right. Let's give some shout outs here to the people that matter. We'll start with Tony downs. James sokos Marco Cruz show vich Nick Galluzzo Liam Gannon, Nika schnitzel, Sam Malone, Paul bass, Grant Gustafson and Richard Cal Cydia. I like that name Paul bass. Like that's I don't know why that is when I was looking up, you know, people who have interacted with us the last week or so. I just saw Paul bass. I'm like, That's a strong name.
Nick VinZant 47:07
Paul band. Yeah. That is a strong name Paul bass. Like. Yeah, yes. Like if he was in a fishing show, or was a NASCAR driver, or something along those lines? That's a name that's didn't like Paul bass. Paul by Dale Earnhardt, right. Like those are
John Shull 47:31
good names. He's probably not even like from the Midwest at all. He's probably like New York call bias.
Nick VinZant 47:38
Right. That's a name that catches people's attention, though. Paul bass.
John Shull 47:42
Yeah, Paul Paul bass bus in that ass,
Nick VinZant 47:45
bust his ass Paul bass.
John Shull 47:47
So got a couple of heard or what is less of an athletic feat to you, or sport will go sport, golf, bowling, or cheerleading?
Nick VinZant 48:04
Cheerleading is a very athletic sport. I think that you have to have a certain degree of coordination, power and strength. That doesn't look easy at all. So I think cheerleading is absolutely an athletic sport. Probably second would be golf. I think it does take a certain degree of like coordination to be able to do that. And body control. Bowling is kind of like, all right. Bowling is not that difficult. To me bowling and golf are probably not that different in terms of athletic ability. But what puts golf ahead is that the the situation changes much more than it does in bowling. So you have to have I think more physical ability to adapt to those changes. Do you think
John Shull 48:50
go I agree with you the cheerleading, well throw cheerleading outside, I just wanted to see if I could bait you into saying something nonsensical about cheerleading. So congratulations, man, as
Nick VinZant 49:00
people get hurt, that's tough to get let that stuff is hard and those people get hurt.
John Shull 49:04
Do you think golf and bowling should be classified as professional sports?
Nick VinZant 49:10
I think people I don't know how, what is the technical definition of a sport?
John Shull 49:15
Sport because listed as a dictionary.com is an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
Nick VinZant 49:32
Then there would be sports, right? I don't necessarily understand how NASCAR though or racing then would qualify as a sport. Because to me, even though that might be something that's physically difficult. Well, chess is physically difficult to write like, you've got to be paying attention. You've got to be focused, you've got to have all this mental stuff that's going on. So if NASCAR is a sport then chess would be a sport as well.
John Shull 49:59
I think both are Technically, this is sports I don't the problem is you can't have one subset of the of the of our almost a genre of the activity. Not listen sport and the other like Formula One is a sport. NASCAR maybe not so much. Chess
Nick VinZant 50:18
Zack, same thing to me.
John Shull 50:22
Chess might be a sport checkers probably not backgammon. Probably not shuffleboard. That's probably a sport.
Nick VinZant 50:29
I don't think that anything in which something else is doing a majority of the work that is involved, like Naskh like car racing, or riding horses, or jet skis. If something else is doing most of the work, then that shouldn't qualify as a sport. In my opinion. The car is really doing that the horse is doing most of this.
John Shull 50:52
I mean, that's that's that's fair. All right. Well, we'll we'll live to fight another day. I'm curious if anyone has any opinions out there. Second question for you. Would you rather have I don't I shouldn't have left. Uh huh. All right, let's start this one over. Second question for you. Would you rather have no eyes? No hearing or no teeth?
Nick VinZant 51:18
Well, no teeth. You can get dentures. You're not really replacing your eyes or your ears.
John Shull 51:26
Now let me let me rephrase it. Let me let me add us if you can't get any, any replacements you can't get eye replacements will still no teeth. But that means that's gonna be really tough to eat the rest of your life, then. It's gonna be
Nick VinZant 51:39
really tough not being able to see or hear. I fought with Luke enough to have a milkshake.
John Shull 51:46
I think. I think I don't think you thought this through. I think I'd rather have teeth than hearing.
Nick VinZant 51:53
No, you wouldn't.
John Shull 51:56
I like food, man. Food is good.
Nick VinZant 51:58
Right? I'm sure you like food, but you're probably not gonna like getting hit by that car.
John Shull 52:02
I mean, I'll learn braille. I'll be I'll have you know, I'll be fine. But
Nick VinZant 52:06
not everybody knows it. Right? It's not the fact that you don't know it. It's that like, well, how are you going to communicate with other people? Most people don't know sign language.
John Shull 52:15
I think having no teeth. This is a lot worse than you think it is. I'm not saying that being deaf.
Nick VinZant 52:21
I'm saying that it's not bad. But that's like a pretty easy choice. Like, yeah, I'd much rather be able to hear and see then I have to
John Shull 52:30
stick me in a room with my steak every day in a book and I'm fine.
Nick VinZant 52:37
I think that you would probably change your opinion there very quickly, because you could still eat the steak. Chop it up. You just have to have hard gums. You got to think this through man, that's easy. One got to have hard gums. As someone who lacks a sense, I do not have a sense of smell. You don't realize how much that you're missing out on how much
John Shull 53:03
that has to be the most used phrase on this podcast from you. My lack of smell my lack
Nick VinZant 53:10
lack of smell? Well, because that's what I'm saying though. You don't realize all the times that things like that come up. You take it for granted. Somebody who doesn't have it realizes all the things that they are missing out on.
John Shull 53:22
I don't realize I've shipped myself till I feel a little little pressure and then it starts to roll down my leg.
Nick VinZant 53:29
I've actually pooped on my hand and not known it because I couldn't smell it. Think about that. That's I didn't poop on my hand. But I got some like on my hand like sometimes you know you wipe and it's a little bit dangerous back there. And then you got some on your hand, but I just didn't know. I was actually playing Nintendo and I looked down I was like, oh my God got poop on my hand.
John Shull 53:50
It's very dangerous pooping. It's a it's a dangerous finish that
Nick VinZant 53:53
I finished the game is what I did. I'm ready for a beer right now.
John Shull 53:57
I am. It's a mid day in the east. Or midwest.
Nick VinZant 54:03
I can't really start drinking. Unless I'm going to a game. I can't really. I mean, let me know. I really can't start drinking it until like, even even like seven I can't wait till seven o'clock.
John Shull 54:17
This is the champagne of beer. So I mean, it's not really like you're drinking beer. It's the champagne.
Nick VinZant 54:22
But Did you are you drinking Miller High Life out of a bottle? I am sure why? Because it's probably why did they even make that in a bottle. There's no reason to make that in a bottle at all.
John Shull 54:37
Somebody left the room, my house, you know, like four or five of them. And I actually kind of enjoyed them now. I forgot.
Nick VinZant 54:43
I liked cheap beer. I'd much rather I think cheap beer. I like a good swill. I want something that lets you know that you're drinking it.
John Shull 54:52
Yeah, you always have their chicken wings shots. Now. I'm ready for a top five. Let's get into it.
Nick VinZant 54:58
Okay, so our top five is Top Five mythical creatures. I don't know if these are necessarily mythical creatures, but like, I can't think of what the actual name for them would be. I think it's actually like cryptids, like cryptozoology or something like that. But we're just going to call them top five mythical creatures. What's your number five?
John Shull 55:16
I put a fairy as my number five. Fairies.
Nick VinZant 55:21
Okay. Um, all right, with fairies that's about I couldn't go any higher than five. Because, like, all right,
John Shull 55:29
kind of like, our our part of this podcast. You've never seen the two we know the tooth fairy is not real. We know it because we're the fucking Tooth Fairy. In that being parents. Yeah, fairies are they deserve to be on a top five mythical creatures list because of how famous they are in media, but we know they don't exist.
Nick VinZant 55:52
My number five is to macabre. Mainly just because I like the way that it sounds like Tupac Cobra. I just like to say it. Chupacabra may not be that high on this list, but it's one of the best ones to say. Chub macabre mean like,
John Shull 56:10
what? What is even at Uberconference? It's just like an overgrown rats or rodent or something?
Nick VinZant 56:16
unclear, but I think it drinks goats blood kills small animals. Oh, yeah, but chupacabra. Fun to say I like it,
John Shull 56:29
too, but Kabra Alright, my number four is a is a Yeti.
Nick VinZant 56:36
I think that's a little bit high for a Yeti. Okay, all right. Do you? Do you consider the Yeti and the abominable snowman to be the same thing or different things?
John Shull 56:48
I mean, I'm gonna classify them all as the same kind of creature like Sasquatch, Bigfoot, Yeti, the Abominable Snowman. So yeah, so there, I guess those are all my number fours, but I'll stick with Yeti like officially as my number four. And the reason why I even have it on the list is because not one of those creatures. No matter how many people think they've taken photographs of them have been proven to be true. So they're still mythical.
Nick VinZant 57:18
I broke those up. I think that there's a little bit different. I think that the Abominable Snowman is a yeti but he's like, the most famous Yeti think he gets his own slight like, oh, but no, that's not just any Yeti. That's the Abominable Snowman.
John Shull 57:35
We may differ on what you classify a mythical creature because I think my top three are pretty solid in terms of mythical beings. So
Nick VinZant 57:45
okay, my number four is Megalodon. giant shark. I think it actually existed at some point. But there's a lot of people who apparently still think that it exists.
John Shull 57:55
Yeah, so yeah, we're gonna differ on this. I think our last three. So I think Megalodon is it was an actual dinosaur. I don't think it's like, I guess it's mythical. But I, I don't really think it's, I don't think it's in this category. And I'm surprised that you've left off so many other mythical creatures and put a megalodon on there.
Nick VinZant 58:20
I think it's sweet.
John Shull 58:22
So my number three it's a Thai, werewolves and vampires.
Nick VinZant 58:26
Yeah, but those aren't like mythical creature. Those aren't cryptids.
John Shull 58:30
But that's what I. But they're, they're considered mythical creatures, because they're not real.
Nick VinZant 58:37
Yeah, but I don't put them in the same category
John Shull 58:40
they're made. And, like, I
Nick VinZant 58:42
don't think that anybody really thinks that there's, I don't think anybody really thinks that there's werewolves out there.
John Shull 58:48
I mean, I'm not gonna lie out of my entire list. That's probably the one thing I would maybe consider being real. There's a lot of hairy people out there men and women alike.
Nick VinZant 58:57
There's a lot of hairy people. But even if you saw like something strangely moving, and there was like a big controversy of it. I don't think that anybody would be like, That's a werewolf and have people believe them? They're like, it's not a werewolf. But if you said that same picture was like a Sasquatch or a Yeti. I think people might believe that but nobody would believe that it's a werewolf.
John Shull 59:18
Well, I will say this that my wanting to probably go back to how your list is so I don't think I've done fucked it up too much.
Nick VinZant 59:28
My number three is a Bigfoot.
John Shull 59:31
Okay. Yeah, that's.
Nick VinZant 59:35
And I think that Bigfoot should probably actually be higher on the list. But I live in the Pacific Northwest where people talk about Bigfoot a lot, and their shirts with Bigfoot on them. And it's annoyed me too much. Okay, number two,
John Shull 59:50
a lot. The Loch Ness Monster?
Nick VinZant 59:53
Hmm. Okay,
John Shull 59:56
so I'm okay.
Nick VinZant 59:57
I'm gonna give my two and one then my number two Who is Yeti? Just because I do think the Yeti is different enough from Bigfoot that it warrants its own thing but nine number one is the Loch Ness monster. I think that has like the most mystery around it, like, oh, that could be because it's the water and it is possible in my mind that like something might be down there that we don't know about. That's why I have Loch Ness Monster is number one.
John Shull 1:00:21
So my number one is, and I kind of left a pretty broad, but it also deals with the water. And if I had to narrow we'll say like a giant squid, but really like any large underwater mythical creature that we think may exist, like the 80 foot octopus or the 400 foot whale, only because from kind of what you said throughout our our time here. I mean, we don't know we haven't been to the deepest part of the ocean. So who knows? Maybe Maybe it is out there. But I'm gonna guess that a properly isn't.
Nick VinZant 1:00:58
I think it probably isn't either. I don't think the Loch Ness Monster probably exists. But if something will one day like something turned up, like oh, yeah, well, not entirely surprised by that. Watching your honorable mention.
John Shull 1:01:12
So I wanted like I said, I kind of created two lists. Because I had a feeling you probably wouldn't agree if I had like a dragon on on my list, but I feel like dragons. I have King Kong. Mermaids. Griffin's sphinxes are the Sphinx, I guess maybe keep it Oh, I
Nick VinZant 1:01:34
know what you're talking about. Yeah, I feel like those kinds of things fall into the category though. People know that. Like, oh, what was that thing? What was the Sphinx? No, it wasn't
John Shull 1:01:45
like, it was really hard. Like, I almost asked you in a text before this. If I could put ghosts as my number one. But you know, I don't know. I mean, because to be honest, ghosts would be easily my number one
Nick VinZant 1:02:02
ghosts would be number one, but I feel like it has to be more specific than that. Like Bigfoot.
John Shull 1:02:09
Yeah. And that's fine. I just like that kind of wraps. Mermaid rounds me up.
Nick VinZant 1:02:16
I have mermaid. And I have moth man. I remember watching the movie The Mothman prophecy. I don't remember anything about it. I don't remember what math man is supposed to be. But I remember like, oh, man, this scary. Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance to subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it. It really does help us out. New episodes go live every Wednesday morning. And then we have started putting up full episodes on YouTube on Thursdays usually around like 430 Seattle time 730 Eastern. I don't know what that is if you're listening internationally, but basically by like late Thursday, we've put those episodes up on YouTube. And I think that it really does add something being able to see different parts of this conversation. So our YouTube channel is up now we started putting up full episodes like I just mentioned, it's Profoundly Pointless on YouTube. Check it out if you get a chance and let us know what you think. I just think the Loch Ness Monster because it has that mystery makes it more interesting. Like Bigfoot All right, you know that's not real Loch Ness monster that might be