There’s no light, there’s no air and he’s nearly 100 feet below the surface of the ocean. But, Cave Diver Jonathan Bird couldn’t be happier. We talk the unique appeal of Cave Diving, the best places to go Cave Diving and the most dangerous thing beneath the waves.
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Interview with Cave Diver and Underwater Cinematographer Jonathan Bird
Nick VinZant 0:00
Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick VinZant Coming up in this episode, cave diving and Halloween
Jonathan Bird 0:20
costumes. It is a very, very easy way to die. If you're not careful, and you're not trained, and you're not using the right equipment, and you don't do it right there, they can't find the bottom. They keep going down and down and down, and they're past 800 feet deep now, which is like insane depths. I came all this, like blood coming down my face and the diamonds. What happened? I'm like, what? And he goes, What happened to your head? I'm like, Oh, the Dolph dolphin head butted me. So yes, I got head butted once by a dolphin.
Nick VinZant 0:51
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or a review. We really appreciate. It really helps us out. So I want to get right to our first guest. This is cave diver, Jonathan Bird. What's the appeal of cave
Jonathan Bird 1:08
diving? Cave diving, I think, to a certain degree, it a little bit brings out the kid in me. You know, when I was a kid, I would I watched Jacques Cousteau, and I would often pretend I was scuba diving, like in a shipwreck or something like under my bed, among the dust bunnies, or behind the couch. And you know, it was like this idea of exploring a place and and having it seem like you know it's your place. And I think I get that feeling when I cave dive, it's it's very exploration, and you're not surrounded by endless blue water, you're actually in a finite space. And a lot of people think that that would be claustrophobic, but I don't know to me, it's not claustrophobic. It's it's very enjoyable and peaceful and calming,
Nick VinZant 2:14
even amongst people who are divers. Is cave diving kind of a different thing, because for me personally, like this, no way you could not give me enough money, like I am not going underwater in a cave. No way is it different, even amongst
Jonathan Bird 2:33
divers? Oh, absolutely. I mean, cave diving is a very specialized sport with very rigorous training standards, just to make sure that people don't do stupid things. It is a very, very easy way to die if you're not careful and you're not trained and you're not using the right equipment, and you don't do it right. But it is one of those things that if you are trained and you are careful, and you do have the right equipment, and you do follow the rules, and you do do it right, it actually is quite safe. The accident rate among trained cave divers that follow the rules is quite low. It's actually lower than skiing. But you know when you hear about like, horrific cave accidents, it's almost always people that are not trained, that are not using the right equipment, that are not following the very, you know, rigorous rules that have been set up for cave diving safety
Nick VinZant 3:36
from kind of looking at it, just from the technical side of it, how is cave diving different than regular
Jonathan Bird 3:43
diving? Well, there are a lot of small ways, but in in the in the big scheme of things, we consider this overhead environment diving, right? So this is diving where if you have an emergency, you can't just get to the surface for air, you are back in a cave, many of these same rules apply to wreck diving. In some cases, cave diving is also deep, which means it's decompression diving as well. So there's multiple issues preventing you from just getting to the surface in an emergency. And so the whole thing is built around making sure that you never have that issue, where you have an emergency, where you you have no other option but to get to the surface, whereas in open water diving, you always kind of have that option, you know, unless you're so deep that if you go to the surface, you're going to get bent, you always have that option of just bolting to the surface, and with a with a cave dive, you you cannot do that. So it's all, all of the training and the rules and the equipment are completely built around the self sufficiency of not being able to do that having spare everything. So. Matter, no matter what happens, you have something to breathe and you're not going to die. And then, of course, there's the rules around not getting lost, because that's another big one. Getting lost is a problem. There's no possible way you can bring enough gas if you're lost. So not getting lost is a big one, and caves are some of them are very simple, like one tube in and the same tube out, and others are like labyrinths that you can get very, very lost in. So there's always, there's always navigation issues that's, that's a big part of the cave diving training. Okay, this is gonna be
Nick VinZant 5:38
sound like a very obvious question, but I guess it'll be in the details, right? Like, what exactly constitutes the cave? In the sense that, like, cave diving is this big, wide open thing, and that's cave diving, or is cave diving? Like, no, you're in a small, enclosed space. You're going through dark tunnels. Like, where do you, kind of, like, know, that's cave diving.
Jonathan Bird 6:03
I have done quasi cave diving in some cenotes in Mexico, where you are completely out of the sunlight, you can't see light, so you're in the cave. And that's, that's basically the gateway drug to cave dive. Because what happens is open water cave diver, and this is how it happened to me, open water cave diver, never been in Open Water Diver, rather, never been in a cave. Goes to Mexico, goes on a cenote, like cavern dive, like an introductory dive, and you get a little bit of a taste of it. You're like, whoa. This is really cool. There's stalactites or slag might the water's crystal clear. I'm swimming through a tunnel, but I can still look over there and I see daylight. And then you're like, I really want to go further. I want to know what it looks like more back there. And then then you have to get cave certified, and spend a lot of money on gear.
Nick VinZant 6:59
How long does it take you to get certified? How expensive? Much more expensive is the gear to do? As a
Jonathan Bird 7:05
general rule, you should have, I think the official rule is 100 dives under your belt before you even think about starting the cave training. I would say that that's not enough. I would say you should probably have many hundreds of dives, and you are extremely, extremely comfortable in the water. Like, I mean, you are a comfortable diver in the water. If somebody comes up to you underwater and pulls your regulator out, you're more likely to pull theirs out just to mess with them before you're going to go looking for your other one. Like, because you're super comfortable in the water and that kind of stuff does not stress you out. If you're the kind of diver that if somebody accidentally kicks your mask off, that's a problem. You should not get cave certified. You are not ready. You need to be like, super, super, super comfortable in the water, and nothing bothers you. You're super good at it. Then once you decide to get a cave certified, I mean, the total class time to do it is, I think the bare minimum is, you can do the full class in like eight or nine days. But I mean, like eight or that's eight or nine, like 12 hour long days.
Nick VinZant 8:21
What percentage of divers would you say even try cave diving?
Jonathan Bird 8:24
I don't know, not, not a high percentage,
Nick VinZant 8:28
a few percent. So obviously, like, the danger is drowning, ultimately,
Jonathan Bird 8:34
well, I mean, that is the danger of our sport. We are underwater, right?
Nick VinZant 8:38
Like, what's the danger? Well, drowning, but what's, what's the danger in cave diving? If that makes sense, like, how do you end up drowning?
Jonathan Bird 8:48
Essentially, you can get lost. You can silt the place out, which means you get lost. It's usually getting lost. That's why navigation is so important. Every once in a while someone will have a medical issue, which is, isn't the cave diving's fault. And, you know, every once in a while, someone will have an equipment malfunction. But I would say that dive gear is terrifically reliable, and it's really, it's really usually more diver error, the diver gets lost, the diver does something wrong. And sometimes, sometimes people have situations that are totally recoverable,
Nick VinZant 9:31
but they panic when it when it happens to somebody. Is it usually an experienced cave diver? Or usually more on the inexperienced side of it?
Jonathan Bird 9:39
I actually think the beginner cave divers are very cautious and careful. They've just gotten out of their training, and they're very cognizant of the rules, and they're less likely to take chances or do anything like pushing the limit. Then more you get these guys that are much more experienced, and you know, with experience comes a little. Bit less caution, but then they, you know, they're starting to push really far into caves, and they're pushing really deep, and they're using more and more gear. And, you know, I would say that there's a lot, there's a fair amount of that, but I'd say a lot like there actually aren't that many cave diving accidents. I mean, if you look at the statistics, I mean, I'm emphasizing it again. Everybody likes to focus on the danger, because there's this perception of danger. Oh, it's so, yeah, you always hear it's the world's most dangerous sport. I legitimately don't think that's true.
Nick VinZant 10:30
Are there subsections, even within cave diving, like there's cave diving, and then there's these different aspects of it, even within the sport,
Jonathan Bird 10:39
you got guys that are trying to explore caves, super, super, super deep, you know, like caves that, like, when you get to 789, 100 feet deep, like, people don't even do that stuff in the ocean, like that. That's like, fringe level exploration, and everyone that's involved in that type of exploration knows it's incredibly dangerous, and not necessarily because of the cave, just because of the
Nick VinZant 11:07
depth. When you look at kind of for cave diving, what would you consider, like, Oh, you're starting to get deep now?
Jonathan Bird 11:14
Well, you know, like, it's always kind of been considered that 130 feet is the recreational scuba diving limit, if which, you know there's no like limit, but it's just like it. When you're trained as an Open Water Diver, you're basically trained to 130 feet, and anything beyond that is considered technical diving. And so I think the same thing applies in caves, if deeper than 130 feet, cave diving, in and of itself, is already technical diving, but when you add on more than 130 feet, now you're into deep cave diving. And you know, with that comes additional things you do. You know it's just it's more things to do to be safe.
Nick VinZant 11:57
Are you ready for some harder slash? Listener submitted questions. Ooh, okay, best place in the world to go cave diving when you're kind of starting out, but know what you're doing. Best place when, like, oh, you really know what you're doing.
Jonathan Bird 12:10
I would say that for new cave divers or even someone being trained, you really can't go wrong with the Yucatan, Mexico, the water's clear. The caves are shallow. There's no current. The water is reasonably warm, and there are a lot of beautiful formations. Like, they're not boring caves, like they're they're beautiful caves. And because they're shallow, like, you could just stay in for a long time. You're not going to go into Deco. Like, it's just a great place to train and, you know, not just to train like me and Todd, like, go back, like, at least every other year just to go cave diving. Like, just a great place to go cave diving. So, and there's a great, you know, infrastructure for cave diving, tons of cenotes, tons of caves, tons of shops to rent, tanks, all that stuff. Second part is, I think my favorite place for like, more advanced cave diving is the crystal caves of Abaco. They are the, the most highly decorated. This is Bahamas, by the way, Abaco Island in the Bahamas. They are the most highly decorated caves that I've ever seen. There are some deeper sections, but as a general rule, they're not tremendously deep, but what they are is tremendously fragile, and so you need to be absolutely a great, perfect buoyancy cave diver to go in those caves, because it's so fragile you can't be breaking
Nick VinZant 13:52
stuff. Your favorite experience diving, I've had some of
Jonathan Bird 13:56
my most magical experiences in the Galapagos with whale sharks and hammerheads. You know, at Darwin island had incredibly magical moments with sperm whales in Dominica Abaco, which I've already mentioned, is sort of like Nirvana for me in cave diving. I do love to cave dive, and that's the place I always dream about getting back to. I was like, I really want to go back there. I got to do that, you know. So I've definitely had just incredible, incredible, magical moments in so many places it's really hard to pick.
Nick VinZant 14:35
Is there a more technical type of diving than cave diving? Or is that about as high as you can get.
Jonathan Bird 14:41
Well, there's saturation diving at extreme, extreme depths, like what the commercial divers do, where they can't even come up at the end of the dive. They have to get into a diving bell that stays compressed, and then they come up on deck and they decompress them on in a chamber over a series of up to, like, weeks. We're talking about. Divers that operate beyond 1000 feet, like doing stuff like, you know, oil and gas industry stuff, I would say that's probably more technical than cave diving. But if we, if we're, if we're talking about, like, the kind of more recreational world, you know, the scuba world, I think cave diving is about as technical as it gets.
Nick VinZant 15:21
Is there a holy grail of cave diving left like everybody's trying to do
Jonathan Bird 15:26
this? Um, no, but there are caves all over the world that are not fully explored, and everyone wants to find the next big thing my I have a friend named Richard Harris who's exploring a cave in New Zealand called the Pierce resurgence, and it's a river just mysteriously comes out of the side of a mountain. And so they were like, Huh? Wonder where it goes. So they started diving in it. But the water's like, 50 degrees. It's cold. It's New Zealand. And they're they can't find the bottom. They keep going down and down and down. And they're past 800 feet deep now, which is like insane depths. And they had to build their own habitat underwater for decompression, because, you know, they need like, 1618, hours of decompression, and you just can't do it all in in the water. And so they're sort of getting out on a bench halfway out of the water so that they can decompress in this, this bubble that they've built. It's, it's just an incredible, incredible project that's all privately funded, just by these guys that are trying to find the bottom of this hole in the ground. And they, and they actually just pioneered a completely new diving gas. Deep divers have have used helium and to help thin the gas out and reduce the narcotic qualities of of nitrogen. For, you know, for a while for, you know, 50 years now, the deep diving gas used helium. So we had things called tri mix and heliox, where you put helium into the breathing mixture, and when they get that deep, even helium is not light enough to for the work of breathing. It because the gas gets so thick. At that high of a pressure, it's so thick, they switch to hydrogen, which you know, the Hindenburg proved that hydrogen is a rather dangerous gas, but they're, they're using it because it's lighter and it works better, and they're sort of pioneering this, and this is new to science. And like, people are like, man, you're crazy. You're gonna blow up.
Nick VinZant 17:37
But I didn't know you could, I didn't know you could breathe hydrogen. I thought we had to breathe. Well, you've
Jonathan Bird 17:41
got to have some oxygen in there. Obviously, they have a little bit, yeah, in there too, but yeah, and so like these, I mean, you got people like this, like, they're pushing the envelope of science to explore caves, and you got to respect it. Like, wow. Your scariest experience. You know, I have not had that many fortunately, in my diving career, I haven't had too many experiences that were scary. I had one close call with an angry gray reef shark, and that one was a little bit scary. But I mean, overall, I've had mostly very pleasant experiences with sharks. I think sharks are great. So there was that one time, and actually they both involve sharks. And then the other time, I actually was up in the St Lawrence filming Greenland sharps, and I just I, after several days of not seeing any, I finally got one to come in, and I was following it, trying to get good shots, and just completely focused on my camera. And, you know, I was on open circuit, so I didn't have an unlimited gas supply, and so I was kind of trying to not breathe too hard, even though I was working very hard. So it's like, try jogging around the block, but try to, like, skip breathe when you do it, you know, hold your breath a while, and then breathe, and then hold your breath a while. And I ended up, like, way deeper than I realized, and a little bit hyperventilated and super hypercapnia and lightheaded, and I had a realization for a brief moment that I might pass out and I'm alone because my buddy couldn't Keep up, and that's not their fault, it's mine. I'm alone. And I suddenly realized I have a wife and two kids, and if I pass out right now, I am going to die, I will drown. And I looked at my computer and I'm at like 170 when I should be at like 130 I'm on the wrong ass to be at 170 And I'm lightheaded, and I I, you know, I freaked a little bit, you know, like, and, you know, I did what you need to do. I started breathing very deeply without regard for gas supply. I punched my BC to get some buoyancy so that if I did pass out, I would hit the surface, and at least they'd be maybe it be able to revive me. And you know, when you do something like that, you know what's going to happen. You're going to start accelerating towards the surface, and you can lose control and get bent, because you come shooting out of the water, and you didn't do a deco. Stop shooting to the surface from 170 is a horrible idea. And fortunately, as I passed like 100 feet, I completely gained clarity. The narcosis went away, the hypercapnia went away. I became very clear and focused again. And I immediately started venting the air from my BC to slow down, and I came to a stop at about 50 feet, which was where my first deco stop was. So made it look like a pro move, but mostly just lucky. And you know, I did a series of DECOs making sure that I wasn't going to get bent. And when I popped up, they the people in the boat were completely freaking out because they saw me vanish into the Merc chasing a shark going down, and they had no idea where I went or how far I was gone. They lost sight of my bubbles, and they thought I drowned. And I had to play like everything was fine. I was like, Oh no, I'm fine. What do you guys? You worry too much, you know. And I got back on the boat, and I told one of my buddies, who's on the boat, dude, I almost died. And you know, and I became much more aware that there is no shot no matter how long you've been waiting for the shark that has not appeared. There is no shot that is worth risking your life for absolutely nothing. There's nothing. I don't care if I see the first birthing Blue Whale next to a giant squid. Like, there's no, there's no shot that is worth being dead for.
Nick VinZant 22:09
Does everybody who's a diver, though, get a reminder like that occasionally that like, Oh no, don't. Don't push it. Like, you can't I
Jonathan Bird 22:17
see people make really dumb mistakes with cameras. That's why I also say like you shouldn't. You shouldn't be diving with a camera until you've had 100 dives. Like cameras are so, so distracting. We were in the Galapagos a few years ago, and a guy on our boat got distracted by a sea turtle on a night dive and ran out of air at 100 feet, and thank goodness he was able to shoot to the surface and he didn't die. But he got bent. You know, he was bent, and we had to cancel the trip for everybody who had spent $7,000 for the week on this boat, we had to turn the boat back and get him to a recompression chamber. He got bent. The reason he got bent, he ran out of air. The reason he ran out of air, distracted by a camera, he was after the world's greatest shot of a sea turtle. And, you know, I make fun of it a little bit, but dude, I have done that like I have done that. You get in the moment. Oh my goodness, that's the coolest looking sea turtle. And look, he's eating a sponge. I can get the greatest shot of this. No, I mean, I only have 300 psi, but I'm okay. You know what I mean, like, you can do that. And, you know, I know, I know several people that have gotten in very, you know, bad situations because of cameras, because of the distraction of a camera, or the distraction of trying to shoot something that that was really awesome, and they run out of air.
Nick VinZant 23:51
My limited experience, I used to be a news photographer, and you get behind that lens and you forget that reality is out in front of it, like no, no, no, no, no, you don't get closer to the active shooting scene, right? Like, just because back up,
Jonathan Bird 24:07
people would say, you know, you're filming sharks, they're kind of close. I'm like, Well, I'm completely safe, because I see them through this viewfinder. That's only three inches, so they're only this big,
Nick VinZant 24:18
right? Like, I'm not actually here? No, it's
Jonathan Bird 24:21
like I'm just a world behind the camera. I'm just looking at everything through a monitor, and I'm just trying to do the best job I can, and I tune everything else out.
Nick VinZant 24:30
For somebody who's just getting into this, like, what advice would you give them?
Jonathan Bird 24:34
Have enough experience as an Open Water Diver that you're actually ready for cave diving. Two, be really good at buoyancy control. Buoyancy control is much more important than you think with cave diving. So and then I guess the best thing is get the best instructor you can find, like, ask around. And find the best instructor you can find. And I've been very fortunate because of Blue World, I know, like all the top people, and so when I wanted to get cave certified, I went to one of the top cave divers in the world. Like, not everybody gets to do that. But you know, if just find the best instructor you can and spend the time like it's it's not about how fast can I get this C card? You know it that's not what it's about. Getting cave certified is a whole process, and it's fun, and you're not trying to get through it, okay? You're trying to have fun and you're trying to learn. And for me, what I loved about the cave training was, so here I am. I'm a guy who's been diving for 30 years or 25 at the time, right? And and I'm going to learn all these new skills. I'm the kind of guy you know, a lot of divers are like this. When you've been diving for a long time, you don't think about it that much. You throw your stuff on you go over the side of the boat, off you go. And when you, when you get to the point where you start jumping off the boat without your fins, without your mask, you know you've gotten to the point where you don't, you don't think about it as much as you probably should, because you've gotten so it just, you just, you just go through the motions, and you go, you're not doing a checklist. And when you get to that level of comfort as a diver, you know, like being careless, when you all of a sudden get thrown into the situation of having to learn all these new cave diving skills. It's fun, like it's challenging, but like, it's fun. It's like, No, I can handle this. Like, I understand that if my instructor comes up and starts up pushing the inflator button on my regulator, you know, trying to do something to, like, see how I'm going to react during the training. I'm not going to panic. I'm going to be like, Oh, that's right. Okay. What do I do in this situation? Like, it's fun to, like, learn those skills. So I would say, like, a cave diving class is really fun. I was actually bummed when mine was over. Like, I mean, I was happy I got the C card. He said, your congratulations. You're a cave guy. I was like, yay. And then a couple of minutes later, I was like, oh, like, that was I know I want to do. Can I do another class that was fun?
Nick VinZant 27:12
That's pretty much all the questions we got. Is there anything that we missed, or what's kind of coming up next for you? Where can people find you? Tell me about Blue World. All the questions all wrapped
Jonathan Bird 27:21
into one, basically. So my big, my big thing these days is, is, is Imax movies. This is my new one called the dolphins. It's coming out right now in theaters all around the world. There's a website you can Google it. It's got the name of all the theaters that it's opening and that are coming. It's coming to, you know, like 40 or 50 theaters around the world. It was a great adventure. Spent two years filming it all around the world. So I'm not just a cave diver. I was lucky enough to, when I was younger, to find the thing that I'm passionate about and be stupid enough to quit my job and try to do that for real. And I was young and stupid when I did it, and now I'm so grateful for being young and stupid when they did it, because if I had waited too long, you know, I was an engineer at Raytheon, it was a perfectly good job, and I made a good salary, and I had a perfectly nice cubicle, and I worked with great people, and I had a super duper retirement plan. And a lot of people, including my parents, were like, why would you quit that job? I'm like, I don't know the call of the ocean. Man, I want to go out and scuba dive, but here I am. I get to, I get to be a, I get to be a, kind of a part time YouTuber, and I get to make IMAX movies and travel the world and go scuba diving, like, how awesome is that?
Nick VinZant 28:44
Right? I kind of lied to you. Was not our last question. I wanted to set this up because you mentioned the movie call of the dolphins, and this is one of our questions. Are dolphins jerks? They they can be
Jonathan Bird 28:57
a little, a little snarky. Yeah, I wouldn't say they're jerks, but I would say that dolphins are just like people. They have personalities, and there are some that are very sweet, and there are some that are mischievous, and there are others that and sometimes they're in a good mood and sometimes they're in a bad mood. So you know, I've had magical experiences with dolphin looking me in the eye and swimming side by side and and playing a game of past the seaweed with me. And I've also had dolphins that swam up and literally, tail smacked me in the face. So I was on a dive a long time ago where there was, there were some semi captive dolphins that they had at this place called Anthony's Key Resort, down in row 10, and they're they're usually dolphins that were in captivity, but they can't let them go, because they actually don't know how to fend for themselves, and so they bring them to this facility where they're in an enclosure that's open and. To the ocean, right? Some of them will vanish for a couple days, and then they'll come back when they get hungry, and they hang around and and there's some that you know never go out. They can hardly get them to leave. And then there's some that you know they'll go out for a few hours, and what they'll do is they they will take people out on a dive, and they try to get the dolphins to come over and play with the divers. And they usually do because divers are mildly entertaining to dolphins, because, you know, we look ridiculous underwater, completely ridiculous. And so I think they find that hilarious, and so they'll come over. So this one dolphin, this bottlenose dolphin, swims up in front of me. This was in my still photography day. So I had this big steel camera with these big strobes, and the dolphin came up and looked at me, and I looked at the dolphin. I'm having a Zen moment. We're staring into each other's eyes. I bring my camera up and I take a picture, and the two strobes just flash really bright, and the the dolphin blinks, looks at me, and then the dolphin just goes and head but head butts the strobe, because I put the camera down to look, and the strobe is right in front of my face, and the dolphin goes and head butts the strobe, and strobe goes, bam, right into my right into my forehead. I had a huge gash in my forehead, and I came up to the boat, and I handed my camera up, and I didn't realize like it hurt, but I didn't realize it was like bleeding. I came all this, like blood coming down my face. And the time, I was like, what happened? I'm like, what? And he goes, What happened to your head? I'm like, Oh, the Dolph dolphin head butted me. So yes, I got head butted once by a dolphin.
Nick VinZant 31:36
I want to thank Jonathan so much for joining us. If you want to connect with him, we have linked to him on our social media sites. We're profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included his information in the episode description. And if you want to see more of this interview, the YouTube version, along with pictures and video of what cave diving really looks like is available on our YouTube channel. Okay, now let's bring in John Shull and get to the pointless part of the show. Are you an inside person or an outside person?
John Shull 32:15
Can I be both? No, I'm like, a hybrid, like, I like to be out.
Nick VinZant 32:20
You're not. You're one or the other. Just pick one or the other. Make a decision for one point in your life, right? Don't wiffle waffle. Don't be on both sides of the fence, but put your foot down. Make a decision.
John Shull 32:30
Look, I don't want to be inside all the time, but I'm not a camper either,
Nick VinZant 32:35
hmm, so you're just an inside person who occasionally likes to go outside.
John Shull 32:40
Sure, I guess, sure I, I mean, I will lean inside, but I like being outside. I just like it controlled, if that makes any sense,
Nick VinZant 32:51
so you basically only want to go outside when you can take the comforts of inside.
John Shull 32:56
Outside, absolutely I don't. I don't know how you people do it, and I'm talking about you going camping and tents without water electricity. No, I'm good. I'm gonna pass
Nick VinZant 33:08
being an outside person teaches you to suffer. You have to have a certain embrace of suffering, and that this is just not going to be comfortable. You want a comfortable life. You want everything to be easy. You want your little booty pampered. Yeah, you want to be you want somebody to patch your little baby bottom. Tell you it's going to be okay. Temperatures not going to get above 72 degrees. John, you got to be tougher to be an outside person.
John Shull 33:38
I do find it kind of interesting that that's that's that's the, that's the thought process, right? I think it's just more efficient and smarter to be comfortable.
Nick VinZant 33:48
Oh, I would agree with that. I'm an outside person, but I want to come home at the end of the day like we invented all this technology. We got out of caves for a reason, and it wasn't to be camping amongst mosquitoes, but I would generally want to be outside from about like 7am until dark every day.
John Shull 34:09
And it's tougher, though, if you're in the Midwest, because you can really only, I mean, realistically, be outside seven months out of the year, comfortably.
Nick VinZant 34:23
Okay, two minutes into the show, John has brought up weather that's faster than usual. I'm just saying that you can see how much, how much someone is aging by how quickly they will bring up the weather when you're 50, you're going to bring it up within the first 45 seconds. When you're 70, it's all you're going to talk about. Somebody's going to say, Hi John, and you're going to say, Nice weather. You're aging. You are aging rapidly.
John Shull 34:52
I know it's depressing. I'm trying to think of things that I can change so I revert a little bit. Yes, I am aging. Faster. It's something I struggle with every day.
Nick VinZant 35:03
Oh yeah, there's no way to stop that slide like it's already begun. You've already committed because you're not you're not in a position where you might be able to reverse it. You're on the downhill, and there's no going back up. That roller coaster is only going down until the
John Shull 35:20
Anyways, my wish I could be outside right now, not talking to you. Race can work. Today is the first day that it's like 62 degrees.
Nick VinZant 35:33
Don't see you went right back.
John Shull 35:35
David, I did you went right back. A special weather episode, just to where I bring you the weather for 45 minutes,
Nick VinZant 35:44
see. And even after we said, Don't bring up the weather, then you got caught again, and you went right back to weather.
Speaker 1 35:51
Can we talk about my hat? How cool that Tiger is actually.
Nick VinZant 35:54
It looks kind of lame, to be honest with you. It looks better from farther away. When it looks up close, it looks like it's badly drawn. I'm wearing like they tried to save some money. Did they try to save some money? Why are the Detroit why are they called the Detroit Tigers? That doesn't make any sense. There's no reason that there's the Tigers has nothing to do with Detroit
John Shull 36:16
that is fair. There's probably some reason. I actually don't know what it is, why they're called the Tigers.
Nick VinZant 36:21
Also, the Detroit Lions doesn't make any sense. The only one that makes sense is the Detroit Pistons.
John Shull 36:29
I mean, yeah, but a lot of mascots don't make any sense
Nick VinZant 36:35
all, I guess all the ones in Seattle do. Seattle Mariners, because we're against this ocean Seahawks because we're against the ocean storm, because we're it's rains a lot rain because it rains a lot. All of Seattle's makes sense. None of Detroit's makes
John Shull 36:54
St Louis like St Louis Blues, Dallas Stars.
Nick VinZant 37:00
I mean, the blues are from St Louis.
John Shull 37:04
Are they are the blues from St Louis?
Nick VinZant 37:07
I think that they have a strong connection to the blues.
John Shull 37:10
Yeah. Anyways, let's not try to talk about something we don't know anything about.
Nick VinZant 37:14
Okay, well, we're just gonna have to
Jonathan Bird 37:16
stop the whole show. Then
Unknown Speaker 37:19
just, ah,
Nick VinZant 37:20
that's all I got. Oh, I did write a poll, though 67% of people consider themselves to be outdoor people.
John Shull 37:29
I feel like everyone's an outdoor person, but with an asterisk,
Nick VinZant 37:34
I would agree with that to some level.
John Shull 37:37
Yeah, I'm an outdoor person, but I don't want to be around bugs, or I don't want to be barefoot. Everyone has a caveat. Yeah.
Nick VinZant 37:47
I mean, we got ourselves out of caves for a reason. Now we embrace the comfort. It's an insult to our going camping is an insult to our ancestors. In some ways, you are disrespecting all the things that they had to work hard for to get, all of the technological achievements, everything that we have built is being disrespected when you go camping and you're saying, No, it's an insult, because you're not really living the way that they had to. You're not chasing down herds on your feet and killing them with a rock, they would be like, What are you doing? Why would you ever do that? You have this it's an insult to our ancestors.
John Shull 38:29
Who do you think would win in a fist fight me, or a caveman?
Nick VinZant 38:35
A caveman? I've actually read something about this that our ancient ancestors would beat the living shit out of us because they were so much more physically adept than we were.
John Shull 38:46
But were they strong? Like, were they physically because you look like littler people, like, weren't they smaller?
Nick VinZant 38:53
No, they were bigger. Actually, there's actually scientific research that points to the fact that they were bigger than us. I don't know if that's true exactly to modern day, but I think if you go back about 200 years, I think that our ancient ancestors were bigger than us. We had a podcast guest who was studied height throughout the ages, and she said that most of the people we started to actually shrink around the agricultural revolution.
John Shull 39:19
I remember we had a podcast guest on here who said that I could outrun a buffalo.
Nick VinZant 39:24
No one would ever say that when we wouldn't ever have a guest that would be on here that would say something so foolish as that.
Unknown Speaker 39:31
I remember that happening
Nick VinZant 39:33
like I just don't understand what it's like to live your life completely delusional to facts.
Speaker 1 39:40
I mean, what's all I said? For those of you who got nothing,
John Shull 39:46
all I said was from starting from zero miles an hour and a 40 yard dash, I think I could
Nick VinZant 39:54
outrun a buffalo. Absolutely not, absolutely not, not a chance in the world.
John Shull 39:58
There is no way that. They can go from zero, there's no way they can run a 40 yard dash faster than a human. There's this
Nick VinZant 40:05
Okay, we're gonna have this discussion again, because it comes up every once in a while, and I would like to try to shut it down again effectively. So one of the best measures of how of explosive power the ability to start out quickly is the vertical jump, right? That's why they do it at the combines for the NFL, etc. A buffalo can jump six feet in the air. Can you jump six feet in the air?
John Shull 40:31
Like, I mean, I'm about six foot tall. Are you talking about like jumping six
Nick VinZant 40:36
feet in the air? Yes, a buffalo can jump six feet in the air. I'm not sure if that's like running and jumping. Yes. They can look it up. You can look it up. You can Google it if you want to. But if an animal can jump a 1500 or whatever a buffalo weighs, animal can jump six feet in the air, which is a measure of explosive power. Do you really think that you can start out moving faster than that thing can? Because I understand what you're trying to go for. They're like, Oh, it's big. It has to be slow, but it's not.
John Shull 41:06
I guess I could have just Googled this from the from the from day one, and really seen but you know what? I would rather not, because I think that I could beat
Nick VinZant 41:15
it. You can't. That's like, the difference. I don't like animals are far superior in their athletic ability than we are, just far superior. Like, have you ever seen a dog move around like you can't keep up with that thing?
John Shull 41:32
Hold on, let's, let's see here, 40 yard dash buffalo.
Nick VinZant 41:37
No one is going to be looked at before. Yard dash for a buffalo. Nobody. Nobody's time to Buffalo in a 40. Why don't they have,
John Shull 41:48
apparently, Ralphie the buffalo in Colorado, ran it. But it's not, it wasn't fast.
Nick VinZant 41:56
So what did the buffalo get?
Unknown Speaker 41:58
Like, an 885,
Nick VinZant 42:00
do you think that the Buffalo was really like trying?
John Shull 42:04
I just think if we were to run 100 yard dash, yes, I get destroyed. But a 40 yard dash where a buffalo needs to gain speed,
Nick VinZant 42:13
I just don't have to gain speed. I just You took three steps playing softball. And do you think, and now, like, I could outrun in a buffalo? Yeah, I do. I see this is why you're an inside person, because you have no connection to reality. Once you step outside, it's like, the person's like, I'm gonna get this picture of this wild animal from two feet away. And then, oh my god, I can't believe it. Gored me.
John Shull 42:41
Okay, so this is a little this is a little disheartening. Apparently, buffalo, I'm sorry for all of you out there that are still listening to this can gallop faster than a horse and can reach the same speed as a racehorse. So that's right.
Nick VinZant 42:58
Do you think you could beat a horse? But
John Shull 43:01
that's over the course of a mile, not 40
Nick VinZant 43:04
yards. Do you think that you can beat a horse
John Shull 43:08
in a 40 yard dash? Probably. Anyways, are we on the shout outs?
Nick VinZant 43:14
Yeah, right. We have to be.
John Shull 43:19
We all have our thing. I want you to know that I went to a natural history museum the other day,
Nick VinZant 43:25
and, yeah, I didn't seem like you learned anything,
John Shull 43:28
and I looked at the moon through a very powerful telescope. And maybe we did go there. Who knows?
Nick VinZant 43:38
I'm always fast. Okay, that's my thing about any conspiracy theory, is that no conspiracy theory is real simply because of logistics. And anyone who has ever managed people knows how difficult it is to get two people to do something at the same time like you could never have like no one would ever keep that secret. There are so many people that would be involved in any conspiracy theory that you could just not do it. By the way, a horse runs a 40 yard dash in two to three seconds, and a buffalo is faster than a horse, so there's your answer.
Unknown Speaker 44:15
No, it doesn't. There's no factual proof of that
Nick VinZant 44:18
an American Quarter Horse, the fastest breed over short distances, could run a 40 yard dash in approximately two to three seconds.
Unknown Speaker 44:26
Wow. That's incredible.
Nick VinZant 44:27
That's incredible. So now imagine a buffalo, which is faster than a horse, I could still beat it, right? Always, whenever, whenever you are confronted with factual information that clearly dispels the thing that you're talking about. Make sure to double down.
John Shull 44:45
Listen, I bet you, if you were to put up a poll, which you still, after eight years, eight plus years have not given me access to I wonder why I love polls. I like interacting with the audience. I'm sure you do love poll.
Jonathan Bird 44:58
I. Haha.
John Shull 45:01
Anyways, let's give some shout outs here. Okay, let's see Vern Hayes, Amelia Vasquez, Conrad Allen, Dion Kelly, Wanda Melendez, Tracy Landry, Jan Hatfield, Brock, zinga, Tristan, Castaneda and Augustine Matthews, appreciate all of
Nick VinZant 45:27
you. Not a lot of Brock's. Brock is always going to be a certain kind of person, though Brock is one of those names, I immediately know what Brock is like.
Speaker 1 45:37
Brock vinzner, what terrible person, apparently,
Nick VinZant 45:42
oh yeah, you can tell he's a terrible person. You can tell, like, that's one of those people that, like, you can immediately tell that he's a terrible person. Like, oh, he seems like a terrible person.
John Shull 45:52
As a wrestling fan, he isn't, but as an actual human being, he probably is.
Nick VinZant 45:58
He seems like it. He seems like a like o' Doyle grown up like you could clearly tell that guy's a bully,
John Shull 46:06
yeah, for sure, but, I mean, I think that okay. I'm not saying bullying is okay by any stretch of the imagination. But if you're not taught at any age to respect others when you are the alpha male. Maybe you just don't know any better.
Nick VinZant 46:24
You should. You're an adult, though, I understand that if you're like 1516 you're a kid, you're an adult, and at some point you should realize that it doesn't make the thing is, is like a guy like that, right? Like not. Let's not cast too many aspersions on Brock Lesnar, but if you're bigger than people bullying them, it's a it's a weakness, because, yeah, it's easy to do something when you're bigger than somebody else. I respect a smaller bully. If you're smaller than somebody bullying them, I respect it well.
John Shull 46:58
Speaking of bullying, you knew you weren't getting out of this episode without talking about everyone's American hero turned attempted murderer. Mark Sanchez,
Nick VinZant 47:08
God, I I am fascinated by this story. I am fascinated by this story because, like, what was he thinking?
John Shull 47:18
Well, I believe he was drunk, which doesn't help, right? And then,
Nick VinZant 47:22
but you're a 38 year old drunk, like, how got to be drunk before? I mean, the guy went to college as a football player. Can I give the quick facts of the case as of this recording? Sure. So Mark Sanchez, who is a NFL quarterback, most famous for probably running head first into somebody's butt and dropping the ball. Basically, was hospitalized and then later arrested after getting fight with getting in a fight with a 69 year old man who was picking up grease as part of his job, and then Sanchez got stabbed multiple times, and it's basically like the cops came forward and said, Oh, it's all his fault. After everybody else gave the thoughts and prayers for his quick recovery, VinZant realized, like, oh, wait, he's the guy who did it well.
John Shull 48:14
And I think it's kind of scary. So they so police released some surveillance footage that showed the delivery driver backing away. I mean, Mark Sanchez, though he was a shitty NFL quarterback, it's still, what, six foot four, probably 215, 220, I mean,
Nick VinZant 48:30
still a professional athlete and a large person, right? Like, not the kind of guy you want to run into in an alley,
John Shull 48:36
but the surroundings video clearly shows Sanchez, you know, like going after this driver for whatever, for whatever reason. And I watching it, I felt, I felt terrified for the driver, because, you know, clearly, he had no idea of what Mark Sanchez was gonna do. He couldn't get a parking spot. Oh yeah, he could have killed him over a parking spot.
Nick VinZant 49:02
I'm fascinated by this story. I can't wait for him to come out with the you're obviously going to have the initial statement that comes out. It's like, I am trying to do better. I have checked myself into rehab, etc, etc, etc. But like, what is he thinking? Man? Like, you never know what is around the corner in life. You never know when your whole life could change in an instant.
John Shull 49:27
Well, you kind of said it right earlier. It's like, that's almost where social media is bad, because everybody said, you know, prayers up, blah, blah, blah. Mark Sanchez, you know you're the victim, yeah, like when clearly he was the aggressor. Well, that's what it seems like. Anyways, I don't want to go on record saying that, but that's what it seems like. And it's like, what about the 69 year old guy that was picking up grease that now is going to be petrified every time he goes for a pickup?
Jonathan Bird 50:00
Paid it. He's gonna get paid. I mean, he's about to be a lot,
Nick VinZant 50:05
like, would you
Unknown Speaker 50:09
okay, yes, how much? Yes, yes, and yes,
Nick VinZant 50:12
you're gonna spend a week in the hospital. You're going to have significant injuries, but you can largely heal from them, right? How much money would it take for you to essentially get a beating like that?
Unknown Speaker 50:30
2 million?
Nick VinZant 50:34
I'd have a hard time. Man, if like, if you're gonna recover, I might do it for 100 it for 100 grand, to be honest with you.
John Shull 50:45
I mean, I would just want enough to be able to retire, right? Or maybe not retire, because 2 million isn't even that great. But, like, I would want enough to be able to live comfortably and not have to worry about money for a while.
Nick VinZant 50:58
Yeah, if somebody was to come forward to me and like, hey, though you're gonna take this beaten, it's gonna put you in the hospital for about a week, but you're not gonna have any long, lasting injuries. And they had 100 grand cash. I don't know I might do it. I don't think I would do I might think about it for 50. I mean, I
John Shull 51:20
guess it depends. If I don't have any, like, long, lasting injuries, other than, you know, like the immediate things. I mean, I'll take a beating for 100 grand. 500 grand. Why not?
Nick VinZant 51:31
Oh, yeah, I'd take a beating for 100 grand. Now, I was getting stabbed. I don't know about that. Well, apparently, I don't know if I want to mess with that.
John Shull 51:39
Well, like, apparently, he took the guy's knife and stat, right? Like, that's what it was, was the guy bust out a knife in self defense, which in courts, you know, the surveillance video is going to prove all that, but,
Nick VinZant 51:50
yeah, but then, well, who, who seems to have won the fight? No, I think Mark Sanchez would obviously win if it was straight, just like hand to hand. Well, I think that's, you're getting stabbed.
John Shull 52:03
I think that's what happened was he was stabbed, getting stabbed, went to go, like, legitimately grab the knife, and the guy ran away. And that's when, you know, that's where Mike's Mark Sanchez got caught up. I think, like, severely,
Nick VinZant 52:16
man, that's, that's has to be one of the biggest God, you just blew it.
Jonathan Bird 52:23
Moments in sports history.
John Shull 52:27
I mean, no, there's been, there's been a lot of real knuckleheads. Athletes are not always role models. I guess we'll
Nick VinZant 52:37
say, No, I'm not saying they're dumb. I'm saying that they're used to getting away with whatever they want, absolutely. And that creates a certain perception,
John Shull 52:46
it's like as of this recording, this is another thing I wanted to talk about, which is sports related as well, but not really. LeBron James teasing this second announcement or something today. And you know, it had all. It had national attention. I think ESPN broadcast it live. And what was it for?
Nick VinZant 53:07
Do you know? I don't know. I don't know. I didn't see it. I did see the previews for it. Is it
John Shull 53:11
going to another team? Is he a retiring bluff? No, he's just joining the the cognac game. That's all.
Nick VinZant 53:20
Oh, he's launching his own liquor. Yeah, I don't understand that if you had that much money. Like, why are you? I guess you have to feel like you have a purpose in life. They probably get so used to attention that they need more attention. I would like, I'm out of
John Shull 53:37
here, man. I guess, like, with him, right? Like, there are certain celebrities that are just at that level, like, he has so much money, deservingly, so, right? But he has so much like, what are you doing? Like, it has to be a narcissistic tendency or something.
Nick VinZant 53:53
I did see one of them talking about, like, Yeah, but then you, as you're kind of building up the Empire, you get so many people working for you, and then the machine just keeps going. And like, well, I can't really stop because then these people don't have a job, and you kind of end up doing it for those reasons, as opposed to, like, you actually wanting something. You just have opportunities, and you're like, Well, I'm just gonna take it. But I would, kind of I wish
John Shull 54:21
I could have gotten, gotten to that level of my life where I had to worry about those things, but I don't.
Nick VinZant 54:26
So you never know man, life can change in a second. You could run into a former NFL quarterback and get stabbed,
John Shull 54:35
or this podcast, we get big and then we vote. We vote, we get big bonus checks.
Nick VinZant 54:40
Maybe
Unknown Speaker 54:41
it's always a possibility, or any checks at all.
Nick VinZant 54:44
All right? Jinks,
John Shull 54:47
yeah, go Seattle, mariners.
Nick VinZant 54:50
It's too late. You already gloated after the first win, like, oh, sweep the series
Unknown Speaker 54:56
loss anyways. Are you ready for the top five?
Nick VinZant 54:58
Let's do it. Top five. Five already. Okay, so our top five is top five Halloween costumes.
Jonathan Bird 55:03
Your number five,
John Shull 55:05
so did you? Did you go generic categories, or did you go specific costumes?
Nick VinZant 55:11
I I don't know. I really know what you mean by that, but I would, if I was going to answer that question the way that I would have meant asking that question, I would say I went kind of generic categories, like, for example, if I went and it's not on my list, but mummy, I didn't specifically go like the mummy from the movie The Mummy. I just went the mummy.
John Shull 55:33
I mean, that was the question I asked, like you. Thank you for answering it.
Nick VinZant 55:40
Excuse me, God, you got heartburn issues.
John Shull 55:44
Not anymore. I gave I gave up spicy food for the most part, which really hurts my heart, but has to be done anyways.
Nick VinZant 55:52
All right, 37 years old, being told you can't eat something anymore, like 37 and they think, I can think you can outrun a buffalo and you can't eat fucking hot sauce.
John Shull 56:06
Are you done? You're not wrong. You're not wrong by any stretched imagination. All right, my number five, it's, I don't know how to describe these, except they're, I guess they're called inflatable costumes, and those are the those are the ones where, like, half your body is one thing, and then like, it'd be like an alien holding an alien holding you. Or like, you know you're riding a horse, but like, it looks like you're legitimately riding a horse. Those are the best costumes.
Nick VinZant 56:37
I like them and am annoyed by them at the same time.
John Shull 56:41
I love either the dinosaurs, you know, the big T Rex died. Oh, my God, amazing.
Nick VinZant 56:47
Yeah, I got sick of all the videos. Okay? I'm okay with one or two of those videos, but I can't do any more than that. My number five is a pumpkin. I'm gonna say that 25% of people in the United States have been a pumpkin at some point in their life for Halloween. That's, that's everybody dressing their baby up as a pumpkin. That's insane. That's maybe not 25% but, like, a significant enough number.
John Shull 57:12
I remember, I was surprised at how many people actually celebrate Halloween, or, like, could participate. And I'm like, wow, that's, it's a lot of people that go out and get candy.
Nick VinZant 57:23
I don't know anybody who doesn't I know more people who don't do Christmas or Thanksgiving than I do who don't do Halloween. I don't know a single person who doesn't do Halloween. Yeah?
John Shull 57:35
I mean, well, I think you and I are the same boat, right? I mean, we have children, so yeah, I guess that's true. But like, if I was an adult, I wouldn't do shit, or, like, a single adult, like I wouldn't do anything,
Nick VinZant 57:45
yeah, be kind of weird to be a 25 year old man handing out candy, actually. No, no, you can't.
Unknown Speaker 57:52
Hey, kids, can I tell you about the weather?
John Shull 57:59
Yeah, sorry buddy. All right, so my number four pretty simple. I just went with a ghost because I think it's the easiest costume to do, because you literally can just put a sheet over your face, pop out a couple of holes, and you're a ghost.
Nick VinZant 58:16
Okay, I have that higher on the list, right? My number four is a witch, which is a very standard Halloween costume. I think you can go,
Unknown Speaker 58:29
it is, I think it's, I Well, I think this year,
Nick VinZant 58:33
every time it's seven o'clock, your timer goes off
John Shull 58:37
every time, um, I think even this, like, especially this year with Galinda and Elphaba, you know, the the Wizard of Oz, witches, or whatever, I think they're even more popular. So, okay, okay, number three man. So this got pretty tough, and I wasn't sure how to describe this, so I just grouped it all into one category, and I just put anything animal related, like sharks, dogs, cats, like some of the best costumes I've ever seen are animals.
Nick VinZant 59:11
Oh, okay, I can't really even think if I've ever, I mean, I've seen a tiger, like you just paint the face, or a lion.
John Shull 59:19
I remember I one time saw, like somebody who was in full on gorilla, like, in a gorilla outfit, but their face had been painted. And they even put, like they were pretty in shape person, but like they had painted, like, like, the like, the facial structure to like they Yeah, they looked like 100% they were like a makeup artist or something. So they knew what they were doing, but it was, it was pretty badass.
Nick VinZant 59:45
I'm not gonna spend more than I would say 15, but I'll give myself 30, and I'll go up to $75 I'm not gonna spend more than 30 minutes or $75 on a Halloween card. Costume not gonna
John Shull 1:00:01
do it. Good luck. Now everyone, for adults, bet you you can't find a costume for under $50
Nick VinZant 1:00:08
just get a bed sheet, poke two holes in it.
John Shull 1:00:12
Ghost just be hopefully. It's never mind. All right, what's your number three?
Nick VinZant 1:00:18
My number three is a vampire, vampire. Very classic Halloween costume.
John Shull 1:00:24
Yes, yeah. I don't even think it's like the best, like old old school character, but it's fine. Okay. Number two is any that have lights in them?
Nick VinZant 1:00:39
Oh, a simple man, just light it up and you're good to go.
John Shull 1:00:42
Christmas tree. You know, some of the old scream masks back in the day, like, have like a light in it, because it had like blood in the mask and stuff, I think, like robots, like, with lights, you know, like lights in the in the in the robot costume are pretty sweet. You know, it's anything with lights. I think that adds that shows like, a level of like, I give a shit, which is
Nick VinZant 1:01:03
important. It has a level of effort that's not associated with other costumes. Like, oh, I put lights on this thing. I would agree with that. My number two is a superhero. Any kind of superhero doesn't really matter what the superhero is. I think superheroes are the second best broad classification of Halloween costumes, both kids and adults, right?
John Shull 1:01:25
Definitely, probably the most popular. But yeah, I actually that's one of the few I had in my honorable mention was superhero,
Speaker 2 1:01:35
my son's gonna be Goku.
John Shull 1:01:37
Oh, nice, a Street Fighter person, huh? Sweet. No, I watched Dragon Ball Z, no, I didn't alright. My number one is I have horror movie villains. But specifically
Speaker 1 1:01:54
what I thought you were going to stop you the way you said it, I have whores like,
John Shull 1:02:00
Yeah, well, we're Halloween, but like, specifically, like Michael Myers, because I see that costume, that mask, specifically in person, it just still freaks me out, like it's just, it's nope, nope.
Nick VinZant 1:02:15
My son, my older son, was a skeleton, and he got his costume, and he scared the crap out of me. Almost punched him.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:23
Man, he deserved it. Who knows?
Nick VinZant 1:02:25
My number one is ghost. I think ghost is the best Halloween costume, simple, easy, classic. You can make it really scary. You can make it funny. You can do all kinds of things with the ghost costume. You can make it expensive. You can just get a bed sheet and poke two holes in it. Ghosted, to me, is the ultimate Halloween costume.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:43
I don't think I've ever told this story
Nick VinZant 1:02:46
out loud, but Okay, okay, okay, good, good, good.
John Shull 1:02:49
I literally saw someone who went as a ghost, become a ghost, and then get taken to the hospital and almost actually become a ghost.
Nick VinZant 1:03:01
Okay, go on, go on. I was
John Shull 1:03:03
in college. I was at a party, and this kid named Manny, I don't even remember his last name now, but he was, he was dressed as a ghost, and I think he had too much to drink, and he fell over, started convulsing. I think he might have had a little heart thing with that. But I remember while people, I mean, I didn't help him, because whatever, but while people were trying to, I remember just like seeing like his ghost, like he had the white face paint on with some of the dark spots or whatever, under his eyes as a ghost, and then he went to the hospital, apparently. Now I don't know if this is true, but apparently his heart stopped for like 35 seconds on the way to the hospital. So, man, he dressed as a ghost, almost became a ghost, and then literally almost became a ghost.
Nick VinZant 1:03:57
Man, Manny. Manny, like, what was he doing? Was he just drinking, or was he doing other extracurriculars as well?
John Shull 1:04:05
I think he was doing some extra, some other extracurriculars, other than alcohol. From what I understand, that's what
Nick VinZant 1:04:15
I wonder about with Mark Sanchez, like, what was he doing? Can you get, like, I don't know if that's just an alcohol thing to fight a 69 year old man. I don't know if
Jonathan Bird 1:04:26
that just alcohol.
John Shull 1:04:28
Probably not. I mean, he I mean, let's not forget, once again, we make fun of him because he was not a good quarterback. But I think he still played eight or nine years.
Nick VinZant 1:04:37
Oh yeah, he still has. I mean, he was still a good quarterback. He just wasn't great. He wasn't what everybody thought he was going
John Shull 1:04:43
to be. Probably on painkillers. Who knows what he was on? It probably just wasn't the alcohol that caused you to attack a poor 70 year old man that was trying to, you know, pick up grease.
Nick VinZant 1:04:55
Yeah, I think you're doing a little maybe some other things. Is involved. Do you have anything in your honorable mention? Are you done? You want to talk about the weather?
John Shull 1:05:05
Just superheroes and meteorologists. I'll put them on the list.
Nick VinZant 1:05:10
Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate. It really helps us out. Let us know what you think are the best Halloween costumes. But also, he brought it up at two minutes into the pointless part of the show. I think we're going to continue to see John bring up the weather earlier and earlier.