In Ski Jumping every little detail matters. And no American has flown farther than 3x Olympian Kevin Bickner. We talk what really happens on a Ski Jump, the secret to flying farther and Ski Jumping scandals that have rocked the sport.
Then, we unveil a new Candle of the Month and it’s airports vs. shopping malls as we countdown the Top 5 Best Places for People Watching.
00:00: Introducing Olympian Kevin Bickner
01:14: How Scary is Ski Jumping
03:40: How Ski Jumpers Fly Farther
05:33: What Makes Someone Good at Ski Jumping
07:41: Can You Back Off a Ski Jump
08:14: Ski Jumping Scandals
12:49: Ski Jumping on a Snowboard
14:47: Where Ski Jumping is the Most Popular
16:07: Ski Jumping and Intrusive Thoughts
19:47: Pointless
44:29: Candle of the Month
51:21: Best Places for People Watching
Interview with Olympic Ski Jumper Kevin Bickner
Nick VinZant 0:00
Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick VinZant Coming up in this episode ski jumping and people watching
Kevin Bickner 0:21
every little movement and position makes a big difference on the hill. With your distance. You go to some of these events in Europe, and, yeah, you'll have stadiums with 10s of 1000s of people watching these events, millions of views every weekend on TV. It's a big deal, and it's not like that back home, and I remember being in the air. I was probably in the air for like five seconds at this point, and I thought, like, damn, this is enough time to read a book.
Nick VinZant 0:53
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it. It really helps us out. So I want to get right to our first guest. This is Olympic ski jumper, Kevin bickner, so is ski jumping as intense, slash scary as it looks?
Kevin Bickner 1:14
I would say that. Yeah, probably is that intense? If you go and check it out in person, it's going to be, I think, even more extreme if you see it up close and what you see on TV, for example, one of my friends who watched it live for the first time said, like, Oh my God, I didn't realize how fast you guys were going. Like, you see the speed on TV, like they'll display it, but it doesn't register until you're standing in front of it and watching someone fly
Nick VinZant 1:43
by you. When we talk about ski jumping, you go down the hill and you jump, but as you lead up to it, as you're in the air, as you land, like, what are you really trying to do?
Kevin Bickner 1:55
The Sport overall, extremely technical. I don't know if people know that or not, but like, every little movement and position makes a big difference on the hill with your distance, so you want to set the position nice and low, really balanced over your feet, hopefully maintaining that position. And then when you get to the end of the takeoff and it's time to jump, you want to push down against the ground as hard as you can with only your legs. You don't want to be moving your upper body or swinging your arms around, or all these unnecessary movements you it's not an easy thing to do, but it's a very simple thing to do, and that's how you leave the take off. And if you do it correctly, your legs extend, your body flattens out, and then you get in the air, and you will be flat over your skis, in that nice aerodynamic position where you're keeping speed you're creating surface area so that you can generate lift underneath you, and that will hopefully carry you as far down the hill as you
Nick VinZant 3:12
can get. Is the lip of the jump? Is that flat? Does it kind of launch you a little
Kevin Bickner 3:17
bit or like, no, it's actually angled down. It's angled down. Yeah, yeah, it's angled down. So if it looks like it's launching us, that's just us doing our job, right? But it's not. Every ski jump is identical, but you're going to have around a an 11 degree angle downward.
Nick VinZant 3:40
So then, once you get in the air, are you just trying to Why do you do the position that you do? Like, what's the point of doing that?
Kevin Bickner 3:47
To get that gliding effect, you want to create as much surface area as possible. Think of like those wingsuit guys, you know, they'll, they'll pull out their arms and legs and have that material there. And the more surface area you have the more lift that's going to generate. So we put our skis into a V shape because that maximizes the surface area around our body. And you know, we're lying flat with our hands by our side, basically just trying to be a sail and catch the air, which is why a headwind, even though you might think that that's going against your speed, a headwind is going to be more pressure underneath your skis and your body, and that's going to, in turn, help you create that lift.
Nick VinZant 4:34
Is there anything kind of special about the landing? Are you like no man, at this point, you're just
Kevin Bickner 4:38
landing it. I don't even it's hard to describe. You just kind of pull your feet together, and then suddenly you're upright. Like it's not something you really have to put a whole lot of effort in. But when you are competing, style is a part of the sport, and so if you want maximum style points, you have to land in what's called a 10. Telemark landing that's one foot in front of the other. So that's something you have to consciously think about when you land. Is, how do I make this landing as good looking as possible, so that the judges will like it?
Nick VinZant 5:13
Let's just say, out of 1010, attempts, like, how many of those would you say? Oh, I got that exactly right. One?
Kevin Bickner 5:22
Well, it depends how you're jumping, but you know to have a absolutely perfect ski jump is not easy to do.
Nick VinZant 5:33
I guess. What about you makes you good at it? Are you just exceptionally physically gifted? Are you really good technically? Like, why are you good at
Kevin Bickner 5:43
so, I mean, early on, a lot of it is, like, how ballsy you are. Like, obviously, some timid little kid is not gonna succeed in the sport. That's, you know, hooking yourself off of humongous jumps. So that's like, a very important thing early on. And then as you get to, like, the 40 meter, the 70 meter, and it starts to become more technical. Then, yeah, your understanding of the sport and, like, being able to learn technique and stuff, that starts to become more important, and then by the time you are like a teenager, like 1516 then body type comes into play too. So it is a sport where weight makes a huge difference. So you do need to be thin. That's kind of a requirement. They're both tall guys and short guys that do really well and win world of cups, that get Olympic medals. The common thing among them all is that they're really thin and that they're really strong.
Nick VinZant 6:56
How condition dependent is it in the sense that, okay, you can be just as good as somebody else, but for whatever reason, when they're jumping, they just got the right wind.
Kevin Bickner 7:06
Wind is huge. Wind is very big. It can make all the difference. And to kind of even that out and make it more fair, they start putting wind readers on the side of the hill, and they have this formula to calculate a certain amount of points that you get added or deducted to your jump based on the direction of the wind and the strength of the wind. So it evens it out a bit more, which is nice. It's not perfect. You know, even though you get points taken away for headwind, you still want headwind, because it's still better to have that
Nick VinZant 7:41
this kind of gets into some of our listener submitted questions. So are you ready for some listener submitted questions? Yeah, of course. Can you back off a ski jump? Like, once you start going down, can you just say no, no, no, no, no, no,
Kevin Bickner 7:56
once you get off that bar, you're in it. So you better give it hell or otherwise. Like, if, here's the thing, if you're, if you are a pussy at the end of the jump, it's going to be dangerous. It's going to be bad. You You might crash, you might have a sketchy jump, like you might as well just go for it.
Nick VinZant 8:14
What's with all the cheating scandals? All of a sudden, I
Kevin Bickner 8:18
think there's, there's been kind of a history of people in the sport bending the rules and trying to, like, see how much they can get away with. And if there's not been someone there to enforce it, then they just kind of keep pushing it, and there's kind of been this unfair bias that, like the bigger and better countries get away with more. And I think it got to a point where a lot of the different competitors and countries, especially like the smaller countries, got fed up with it and started making, like, a bigger and bigger deal about it. And they have just recently gotten stricter about they. They finally started, like, enforcing the rules stricter. And you know, then, when you do that, you start finding stuff. It definitely did some damage that that part sucks, but they forced the sport to make some big changes, and I think that this year, everybody is being treated fairly and equally across all teams. And you know, no one is above the law. It seems like anymore so
Nick VinZant 9:38
and for people who aren't familiar with the ski jumping scandals that we're talking about, some coaches and athletes were suspended after it was found that they were altering the crotch area of their suits, and now there's talk that some athletes were also injecting things into their private areas to make that Re. Bigger. So why would that even help to inject something in that area?
Kevin Bickner 10:07
So I'm sure the people are thinking that, Oh, they're injecting this before they go up and jump. That's not what it would be. So a big thing in ski jumping is our suits. Because you know, the bigger suit, the more surface area you have, it can make a big difference in how far you go. So we have certain measurements that we get at the beginning of each season that are these hard measurements that we have to use when we make our suits. Some of these hard measurements, include your height, your arm length, and then your crotch length. So what they will do, they used to, they used to have this little like mechanism that would come up and like measure where your crotch was, and then that would be like your crotch length. But there were people trying to manipulate that, you know, you stuff stuff in your underwear, and try to get, like a lower crotch measurement. Therefore, you could have a lower crotch on your suit and have more material there, and it, it makes a huge difference in flying. So what they have since moved to is a body scan, and you do it in your underwear, and they they've actually gone as far as to have a doctor there to make sure that you have no prosthetics on or nothing like glued to you to try and get, like, a lower measurement. So the whole conspiracy is that people have been like injecting things into them so that it artificially, for a little bit, makes their crotch lower, so that when they would get this scan, their measurement that is good for the entire season would be lower than what it really is that they could have a bigger suit all season.
Nick VinZant 12:14
I get like the importance and that this is people's lives and their careers. But there's also kind of a hilariousness to it. Like, oh, absolutely right. It's, I mean, was this a known thing before this kind of came out?
Kevin Bickner 12:29
When I heard about it, I I laughed. Like, that's such an outrageous thing to do. That's really like taking it to the extreme. And I can't imagine it would make that much of a difference, like maybe you get an extra centimeter or two, which, you know is nice to have, but it's not making or breaking your season.
Nick VinZant 12:49
Could you do this with a snowboard?
Kevin Bickner 12:53
I don't think you could. I mean, you could. So you could find someone to go off a ski jump, probably, but they wouldn't go very far.
Nick VinZant 13:04
Is it just not built for that or like this? Because I snowboard. I mean, I'm not. I snowboard the greens. Let me, let me be, let me be more clear about that, right? Like and if it's an easy blue, maybe I'll do it, but you just couldn't do it. Because, yeah, why couldn't you do it, it's just not set up that way, or they're just the funding. Fundamentally, about the snowboard wouldn't let you,
Kevin Bickner 13:28
I think both. I'll go through it all. Why? I think it couldn't work technically. Yes, you could. You could get off and go down a steep hill and then jump as hard as you could on snowboard. You'll probably go 20 meters, which you know, could be cool if you're doing it. I don't know if it'd be exciting to watch, but the track is made for skis. But let's, let's pretend that's not there, right?
Nick VinZant 13:55
Let's pretend it's set up so that you can do it, right? Yes.
Kevin Bickner 13:58
So like you said, you snowboard the blues and greens. How often do you catch an edge? If I was better, probably all the time. The way that you jump, you'd have to almost jump sideways. You're not getting a lot of force. It's not a lot of like efficient energy that you're taking with you. It's it's a lot of wasted energy, so you're not getting the same kind of lift off the end of that takeoff. And then your feet are strapped in, and you have to, I would assume you're just leaning sideways, so then you're not really creating a whole lot of surface area. And then your feet are also playing on the board with our jumping skis, our our boots lift up a little bit from the ski
Nick VinZant 14:47
countries where this is the biggest like, oh man, those Norwegians, they love ski jumping.
Kevin Bickner 14:55
Poland probably has the most dedicated fan base. They love ski jumping. Die hard fans.
Nick VinZant 15:05
Man, I'm Polish, and that maybe explains some of why. It's just in our blood. It's just in our blood we love ski jumping. Man, I would put
Kevin Bickner 15:15
Slovenia up there too. It's almost like their national sport.
Nick VinZant 15:19
Is there any particular reason? Are they just, that's just what they like?
Kevin Bickner 15:24
Slovenia, I would say that soccer is definitely not bigger. Ski jumping is one of the biggest sports there. It's a very small country. It's in the mountains, like the edge of the Alps, and they just have, like, a big history of ski jumping in that country, the biggest ski jump in the world is there, and they have so many kids that try it. They have, like, the most ski jumps per capita in the world. So I think it's just something that everyone knows about. It's just like ingrained in the culture.
Nick VinZant 16:07
Oh, let's do I got two. I got one serious one and one funnier one. Okay, most intrusive thought you've had while sailing through the air.
Kevin Bickner 16:17
I remember when I was younger and I was watching ski flying, a ski flying video with my dad. And do you know what ski flying is?
Nick VinZant 16:27
I think so, right? Like it's got a parachute, like they go off. Maybe I have
Kevin Bickner 16:33
no no ski flying is ski jumping, but basically on jumps that are twice the size of the Olympic jumps, super extreme, like you've gone like massive, massive jumps, yeah, so you know Olympic jump is like 120 meter. These ski flying jumps are 200 meters. So I, I was, when I was a little kid, I was watching, like, one of these ski flying videos with my dad. We were watching, like, the world record and counting out that it was 10 seconds of air time. And he was like, holy shit. Like, that's enough time to read a book. So I remember, it wasn't my first time ski flying, but it was, you know, it was a while ago, like earlier days of when I started ski flying. And I remember being in the air. I was probably in the air for like, five seconds at this point. And I thought, like, damn, this is enough time to read a book.
Nick VinZant 17:36
Because, you know how people are right? Like, any chance your brain gets for some downtime, be like, I think the lights on. What do you think is the future?
Kevin Bickner 17:47
If we do well, the better we do as the US team. I think the more notoriety that the sport gets in America, because it's not super well known in America. You know, you go some of these events in Europe, and, yeah, you'll have stadiums with 10s of 1000s of people watching these events, millions of views every weekend on TV. It's a big deal, and it's not like that back home. And, you know, I know, I understand it never will be. It won't be like going to an NFL game, but it could be a thing people at least know about right now. I think ski jumping is almost viewed as like a circus act. Like once every four years, it's like, oh yeah, those guys, that's crazy, and then they forget about it. But, you know, this is like a sport that we do every year. There's, like, a big professional circuit that goes on, and I think it's a really cool thing. And I would love if more people had some exposure to that and got to know it better. And, you know, maybe it could be something that they'd be able to follow if they got into it. So I think that would be really cool. I think one of the ways of getting there is for our guys to get better results. And you know, we've definitely been making strides in that. I promise you, the team going to Milan is stronger than the team that went to Beijing. We as a country have gotten better at this sport in last four years. So, you know, I want to be a good ambassador to the sport. I want to help it grow. I want to help it get more recognized. I think that would be really cool.
Nick VinZant 19:27
I want to thank Kevin so much for joining us. If you want to connect with him, we have linked to him on our social media sites. We're profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included his information in the episode description, and if you want to see more of this interview, the YouTube version is now live. Okay, now let's bring in John Scholl and get to the pointless part of the show. Imagine you are back in prehistoric days and you look up at the moon. How far away would you think it is like, if you knew absolutely nothing about space or science and you just looked up at the moon? How far away would you think it was?
John Shull 20:11
Don't know. I mean, I would probably look at it and just go, man, that's far away. I don't know if you if it's prehistoric times, you don't know measurement. So, right,
Nick VinZant 20:20
but that's what I'm asking. Like, do you think that our ancient ancestors thought the moon was really far away, or do you think it was pretty close?
John Shull 20:28
They probably thought it was pretty close, because it is kind of big at some points. And you think it's not that far away, till you realize it's millions of miles away.
Nick VinZant 20:38
It's, I think, actually, like 250 to 300,000 some odd miles away. 247, if you want to Google, that might be my first guess. But I would honestly think, like, if I was a caveman, I would honestly think the moon was like five miles away. I would have no idea that thing was hundreds of 1000s of miles away. I'd be like, That thing's pretty close.
John Shull 21:00
I can't imagine living in a world where I didn't have Wikipedia or Google, like, the ability to search something and see, you know, the history behind it. Like, can you imagine being in prehistoric times and seeing the moon, not knowing what it was, not knowing if it was gonna you know, not knowing anything about it, just knowing that it was there and like, that's all for your entire life, all you're gonna know is what it is, physically, you'll never know anything about it.
Nick VinZant 21:29
Well, I think that's why we made up stories. But I would be like, if I saw like an eclipse or a volcano erupting or any sort of natural phenomenon, I would be terrified. You have no idea what that thing was.
John Shull 21:42
Well, yeah, that's, I mean, you kind of said right there. That's why stories were made. That's why women were literally burned at the stake in Salem, and they were named witches just because, you know, they wanted to experiment with garlic and vinegar.
Nick VinZant 21:57
Like, sorry here, but this is where the history major in me, comes out that was not really what the Salem Witch Trials were about. The Salem Witch Trials were mainly about seizing property from widowed people. Great was not really about witches. It was really much more about like an ability to seize property from women who had lost their husbands. See, even worse, being a witch. They accused him being a witch, and they took the property. If you would pay attention to this podcast, you would know that we had a guest on who's a historian of the occult, and talked all about
Speaker 1 22:24
that she was like eight years ago. No,
Nick VinZant 22:27
I think it was like a year ago. It's probably this year, honestly, it was yesterday.
Speaker 1 22:32
You know which tequila I drank last week? All right, oh
Nick VinZant 22:35
god, I tequila is not something that I would ever sip. I always want to sip tequila, but I just can't get into it. It's just too many memories.
John Shull 22:46
I found it. I found one that is perfect sipping. Anyways, I will say this. I think back, if I lived in prehistoric times, I would be more afraid of like the creatures, you know what I mean, like the animals, because you don't know anything about them, like I would see a squirrel and be like, Oh, damn, that thing is going to come it me in my sleep.
Nick VinZant 23:06
I think you would be used to the animals that are around you. I mean, you kind of grew up around them. Like I wouldn't be freaked out about that. I would be terrified if, like a Eclipse or a volcano, though I would just have no idea what was going on. Just imagine being back there having no idea what was happening whatsoever.
John Shull 23:23
I mean, that's isn't that the greatest fear of most people is not knowing what's happening.
Nick VinZant 23:31
Yeah, and ironically, none of us really know what's going on. Nobody really has any idea what they're doing,
John Shull 23:37
what you and I, you're you're the other side of 40. I'm just hitting 40, and I'm realizing that most people that are successful have no idea what they're doing,
Nick VinZant 23:46
not a clue, not a clue. I have a huge pet peeve of anybody who tries to pretend like they know what they're doing. Like, what's the secret to your success? If you hear anybody say that, if you ever hear, in my opinion, if you ever hear somebody talking about the secret to their success, and the first thing that they say isn't just blind luck, they have no idea what they're talking about. Like, how'd you get in this position? Well, I bet if you actually tracked it back, it comes back to blind luck.
John Shull 24:16
I mean, everything's an advertisement, right? Every every one of those people you know that you see on social media that are, you know, do this workout? Do Are you drinking a Sunkist?
Nick VinZant 24:27
No, it's a Fanta. Oh, look at you. Sunkist actually has caffeine in it. Just really surprised me. For some reason, I was like, why was Sunkist have caffeine in it? Because they want to addict us to caffeine. Yeah, I already am, but that's not the point. Do you want to know what the audience poll was sure? So I polled the audience about this, and I don't think that people really understood the question or really thought about this. So 10 miles or less, 0% 100 miles or less, 8% 1000 miles or less. 0% and 92% of people said they thought that the moon would be more than 1000 miles. I don't think that you would have any concept of how far away the moon was at that if you were back in prehistoric times. I also question you'd be like, it's like, it's just right across the hill man.
John Shull 25:17
I also question if we actually have correctly measured space. I always wonder that,
Nick VinZant 25:24
Oh, I'm sure we haven't completely correctly measured the entire universe, but I think we know how far away the moon is. We got that down. I mean, we sent like, multiple people there. We know where it is. We know how to find it. I guess
John Shull 25:36
I'm not necessarily talking about, I'm talking about, like, anything past the moon. You know what? I mean, like other planets and gal like, we're never gonna know. And it's kind of really disappointing, if you think about it.
Nick VinZant 25:46
I mean, it's just math. I think that we know how far away it is. I mean, do we know that it to the 10th of a mile? Probably not, but I think we have a pretty good general idea of where it is. Oh, I
John Shull 25:58
want to let you know that I got into a strange conversation with somebody the other day, okay? And they were asking me pot podcast tips. And I said, Listen, I'm the wrong person to ask about that. But then I got brought up about how I could outrun a bull from a stand, you know, in a 40 yard death. And this person said they would bet their 401, K on it, that I could not do it.
Nick VinZant 26:23
Yeah, nobody thinks that you can outrun a bison. Nobody. You're the only person in the whole world who thinks that this is possible. It makes no sense, like everyone else, but you knows that this is like, it's not even a question. I would take out on a mortgage on another house. I would bet all the money that I could possibly get my hands on that you wouldn't get any clothes, everything that I possibly had, and I would encourage everyone that I knew to take out mortgages and bet all the money they could possibly have on you losing the race, the odds of you winning would be a billion to zero. No one would bet on you. He's the only person in the world who thinks you can
Speaker 1 26:56
do this. Well, this person said something that I hadn't thought about,
Nick VinZant 27:00
and I'm starting, did they reality? Was it bad?
John Shull 27:03
They said that? Because apparently they worked on a farm that a bull or a bison, whatever, whatever you want to say, well, they're two completely different animals. What would happen with the bison is that it would take one step and it would literally jump and catch me and then just beat me like it would do that in a second. Yeah, it wouldn't be anything. It wouldn't be anywhere whatsoever. We're talking about 678, seconds. No way. We're talking
Nick VinZant 27:34
about half a second. You have no chance. I want to, I just don't know why. You won't accept reality about this.
John Shull 27:40
This needs to be our last episode. I wanted, I wanted, I want to live stream me racing a bison.
Nick VinZant 27:47
Oh, I hope we can do that, and I hope that we can bet on it. And then you'll realize how much absolutely no one thinks that you could beat a wild animal
John Shull 27:55
at anything. Somebody would bet. Somebody out there believes in me.
Nick VinZant 27:58
No No one does. No one, no one.
John Shull 28:02
Somebody needs to start a GoFundMe or something, and let's get let's get it involved so I can race a bison.
Nick VinZant 28:09
No one is going to do that. No one is going to do that because it's pointless, right? Do you think you can outrun a Ferrari?
John Shull 28:16
Wait, is it profoundly
Nick VinZant 28:18
pointless? I'm not doing this. I'm not, I'm not doing this.
John Shull 28:21
How's the weather in Seattle? How's your basement? It looks nice. Alright, let's give some shout outs while Nick tries to recover, we'll go here. Janice Anderson, Matt, we hear a lot of
Nick VinZant 28:41
Janice's. That's
Speaker 1 28:43
my mother's name. Oh, actually, so I've heard it a lot.
Nick VinZant 28:48
It's not what I call her.
John Shull 28:50
I do it, I do I do it. Man. Eileen Shepherd, Brandy. Lee Micah, Parcells, Kyle, Tuscany, Noah, fam Stacy McCoy, Leslie Barton in Georgia, Georgina,
Nick VinZant 29:07
interesting, interesting names. Okay, okay, okay,
John Shull 29:12
let's see. You know what? You know, what you know, what episode
Nick VinZant 29:15
it is. I'm not doing. It's not time yet,
John Shull 29:17
I know. So let's see. I actually came across something the other day that I thought was interesting, and I wouldn't even try this, and that's that's kind of crazy. So breakside brewery in Portland, Oregon has come out with a limited edition beer that apparently has what they say is safe to drink, bear poop in it. Why?
Nick VinZant 29:45
Why would I want that? Does it add flavor? Does Bear poop have some unique sort of flavor that everybody wants? Why would you want to have bear poop in it? Like, what's the point of that, besides just getting some media attention because you put bear poop in there?
John Shull 29:59
I mean, Rick. Regardless of, if you just want media attention, it grabbed my eye. I mean,
Nick VinZant 30:04
but are you gonna drink it?
John Shull 30:07
I mean, if there was a, I mean, it's so they can't release something that's gonna harm you, right? So they've done something to the poop, but then, like, you break the poop down, and it's not poop. So I don't know, I don't know how they're I haven't really found an article that explains the process of how they made the poop safe. So maybe
Nick VinZant 30:25
they just, I don't know, but why would you how do you get your hands on it? Where do they get the bear poop? That's, that's what I'm really wondering is, like, how do you get your hands on enough bear poop to mix it into beer, to brew enough of this stuff, like you just go to the zoo. You go collect it in the wild. Is there a market for bear poop that you can just, like, go and buy it, like, get it shipped to you on Amazon?
John Shull 30:50
There may be, there may be a niche market for this. I'm finding, I don't know.
Nick VinZant 30:55
Can you just buy rare animal poop? You can, you just, you can just buy animal poop. Let's see, okay, Moose poop. Moose poop for sale. Yes, yeah, you can buy moose poop, genuine moose poop, specimen, $8.50 on Etsy. God, people will sell and buy anything. They will buy anything. You never know what somebody's going to want. Okay, never does it, do you? Did you read any of the reviews? Is it supposedly good?
John Shull 31:36
There were, there wasn't any reviews yet, and there wasn't any on this beer, this beer app I have either so, oh,
Nick VinZant 31:44
okay, how many apps do you have on your phone right now? Do you have more than 30 apps? Who?
John Shull 31:50
That's probably pretty close. Um, no, I say no. I actually try to keep a very clean phone I have. So, oh, my god, are you still rocking the Blackberry?
Nick VinZant 32:04
No, but I have a phone from 2019 that currently has tape on it, and the dog chewed it a little bit, but it still works. It still does what a phone is supposed to do, so I'm not going to get rid of it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
John Shull 32:15
Alright, let's see here. I mean, it is Super Bowl week. I don't care about either of the teams, but you should.
Nick VinZant 32:24
But, I mean, I'm interested, like, I live in Seattle. Seattle is pretty excited about it. I would say that if Sunday comes around and Seattle doesn't win, I'll be like, Oh, okay.
John Shull 32:37
I do think the Super Bowl has become more of a spectacle than an actual football game.
Nick VinZant 32:44
Oh yeah. I mean, it's just entertainment. I don't really, I've never really understood people who kind of like got it's never been my thing to be like my team lost. Okay? I mean, does it really affect you in any way? I mean, unless you got money on it?
John Shull 33:02
Well, the average ticket as of this recording is $8,000 so
Nick VinZant 33:08
that's I'd have a hard time justifying that, even if I had a real lot of money. I don't think I could justify that. I don't think even if I was a billionaire, I could go, Well, I mean, like, yeah, $1,000 isn't a lot to that. But like,
Speaker 1 33:22
if I was a millionaire, I'd do it.
Nick VinZant 33:25
I don't know if I could justify more than point 5% of my income on a ticket. No, not even that much.
John Shull 33:35
So I in addition to Super Bowl 60, I thought it was interesting. So bad bunny right in Green Day are performing, yeah, and, of course, with the political divide in this country, but there had, did you hear about the alternative halftime show that turning point USA, which is, you know, conservative,
Nick VinZant 33:57
conservative group, there's a conservative version of the halftime show. And I looked at the lineup and didn't know who a single
John Shull 34:03
one of them were. That's not true. You know who Kid Rock is? Oh, calcat.
Nick VinZant 34:07
Kid Rock, yeah, Kid Rock with the other three or four people that I saw on the posters, like, I don't know who that is.
John Shull 34:13
Well, their their country. The two, I think, can think offhand, I think, is Lee Bryce and Jason Aldean. You should know Jason Aldean, because he was the one who was performing at that route 66 or route 66 concert
Nick VinZant 34:25
in Vegas. Oh yeah, they had a big shoot. God Lee. That was a man when the America you can kill 70 people in a mass shooting, and everybody kind of forgets about it after a while.
John Shull 34:37
Well, then I don't know if this is because I'm getting older. It's because I'm in the news business, but the the just the craziness, man is nuts right now, all the theories and all the misinformation, like, like, even that shooting that happened in Vegas, people still say that was that was either not real or was the government like,
Nick VinZant 34:59
I Oh. Yeah, I think that there is a shocking amount of people that are either, either that are easily misled and refuse to believe the thing right in front of them. Like there's a lot of people, I think, that have beliefs that have become their entire personality, and despite the mountain of evidence that is in front of them, they cannot change those beliefs because it's changing their personality and they can't handle it. I've got people in my family that are like that. That's just like, What are you? You were a lunatic, but it's their whole personality, and they can't get out of it, because it's not they can't just say they're wrong, because that would mean that everything that they stand for is wrong, and they can't do that. They're not strong enough.
John Shull 35:38
Speaking of something else, kind of crazy. Have you been following the Nancy Guthrie story? No, so Savannah Guthrie, pretty well known. Anchor, right? National News. Anchor, NBC, sure.
Nick VinZant 35:51
Yeah. Big, big, big, big Savannah G
John Shull 35:57
Well, her mother was kidnapped, 84 years old, and there's been ransom notes sent to different TV stations wanting a ransom. How much are they asking for? I don't think anyone said that yet. I don't think like TMZ got one the local affiliates in Tucson where she was abducted from, like Phoenix. It's just, it's crazy. It's like something out of a movie. It's kind of it's unfolding in real time.
Nick VinZant 36:25
I wonder if that's true. Like, so you still work in the news business. I used to work in the news business. I think we can both say this is that when something hits, like mass media, people come out of all over the place, like you get all kinds of weird calls about any really big news story that, like, I saw him, or I found him, or I'm the one who'd like this, like people come out of there seeking attention all the time,
John Shull 36:49
sure, yeah. I mean not to go back on the what I was just involved with a few days ago, with searching for this six year old with autism. But like, you look on social media, in there were literally, there were literal bloggers or whatever you live streamers standing on street corners, just saying lies like it was insane, like crazy. It was, you know, I understand. That's the way it is. Now I just, I don't know, I don't know how we got to that, but maybe that's the way it's always been. It's just computers and cell phones now allow those individuals to have direct access to to us, but,
Nick VinZant 37:24
well, I think it's just that now those people have a voice, and the algorithms are just such that it elevates that voice, because some people will pay attention, other people will call them out, but either way, people are watching it. We've kind of just found a system that elevates the maniacs amongst us. We've just found a way to amplify the most wrong voices all the time, and that's a huge problem. And I think that you're seeing this worldwide now, a pushback on social media, where some countries are thinking about banning it for kids. I think it's a net negative for all of us.
Speaker 1 37:59
Net negative. I like
Nick VinZant 38:01
a net negative, unless I can see, like a funny video. I think the only thing that should be allowed on social media is verified information and funny videos.
John Shull 38:14
And you know what, I think 98% of the world out there would agree with you. I do
Nick VinZant 38:18
find it fascinating that we live in a world where the vast majority of people can agree on one thing and that we see no progress in that thing whatsoever, man, this is changing into like the complaining thing. Let's see. I got something else. Are you just sitting there waiting for your I feel
John Shull 38:33
like we have to give a quick shout out in memoriam to one of the best
Nick VinZant 38:38
memoriam, yeah,
John Shull 38:39
in memoriam, you said, In Memoriam, it's not what it is. Oh, no, I said In Memoriam to Catherine O'Hara rip passed away this past week. She, you know, iconic roles, Beetlejuice, shits Creek, Home Alone.
Nick VinZant 38:56
Yeah, she's a great actor. Seems always sad to lose somebody.
Speaker 1 39:01
You're the worst. I swear.
Nick VinZant 39:03
I just don't particularly, I'm not really a big fan of her films. I'm not really a big fan. I mean, she seemed like a really nice lady. She seemed like a good actor. Just wasn't my particular, like those. I didn't connect with the works that she was in. But have you ever seen James Creek? Yeah, I didn't particularly think it was like, It's okay, it's all right, it's okay, it's all right, it's all right. I'm glad other people like it. I'm sorry for her loss and for her family's loss. I think that anytime you lose somebody close to you, that's a big deal. I don't think that we should just only elevate celebrities to the only important people in the entire world.
John Shull 39:39
On my notes, I just put Nick hates you and circled it and pointed towards Catherine.
Nick VinZant 39:43
I don't have it. What do you want me to see? You want me to lie? I'll lie for you next time. No, I don't. I don't want you to lie. Be who you are. I am, and you had a problem with it. You get a haircut, didn't you? I did was good. Looks like a haircut. 2265 or 2275 And
John Shull 40:01
then I was going to bring up the Olympics, because they start Friday officially, and they will be the most viewed sporting event this year outside of the World Cup.
Nick VinZant 40:11
But I think it's probably World Cup Olympics. And then the Super Bowl. I bet the Super Bowl is probably bigger than any one Olympic event, though, that would be my guess.
Speaker 1 40:22
Yeah, you're probably right. Are we ready? Curling?
Nick VinZant 40:25
Baby, curling. Baby, that's the only thing that matters. What Olympic what Winter Olympic sport do you think that if somebody just pulled you out of the audience and was like, we need you to do this? Which one do you think that we can do. And I would like to reiterate my position, that I think what the Olympics needs to do is take one person out of the crowd, have them compete, just to show us how much better everybody those Olympic athletes are, because we don't really have a perspective, we need to have just one random person pulled out of the crowd and like, all right, man, ski jump, you're up. I don't
John Shull 41:04
just, I mean, I don't disagree. I mean, I think that would be great for every sport. Because I like, Oh, yeah. Like, I was, I was with some buddies the other night, and there was a story that came on the news when the national news about Haiti is sending two athletes to the Winter Olympics, and they were talking about how they're they're some Italian designer that's give them outfits, whatever. And one of my friends was like, Haiti, I could qualify for any sport. For Haiti, it's like, no, no, no, you couldn't.
Nick VinZant 41:29
Like, right? Like, that is the amount of delusion that leads people to believe that they think that they can outrun a bison, that I think people have a terrible perspective on things that, like, no, that person's actually way, way. I don't think people generally realize how much better somebody at the very top of their profession is than somebody who's really good or kind of good.
John Shull 41:51
I mean, there is no Olympic sport that I could be. There's none. I mean curling. I guess maybe I could get like, mediocre at best, but they would like, like, like, the guests we just had on, like, like, centimeters change games. Like, I wouldn't be able to do that, you know, like, so
Nick VinZant 42:07
it's the ability to do that thing over and over again on demand. I mean,
John Shull 42:11
maybe the Bob sled, like, if I was a driver, dude,
Nick VinZant 42:15
I don't know. Don't you're not, you're not a fast man.
John Shull 42:20
No, the driver, he's in first, he still has to run, and it better be like an extra long bobsled, because I'm gonna need, I'm good. I'm gonna need a bigger gonna need a big cockpit, all right,
Nick VinZant 42:34
are you gonna be the one, like, the only bobsled to ever get stuck on the track, like it got stuck? Stuff America's Bob sled has become stuck.
John Shull 42:50
That would be, no, I don't think I'm that. I mean, I definitely can lose some lbs, but I don't, I don't know if I would eat that would even happen to me. I don't
Nick VinZant 42:58
know, no. I mean, like that. I don't think that's even possible.
John Shull 43:01
I mean, I go ice skating. I've been ice skating more the last two months than I have in the in my entire lifetime, and I that my blades don't sink into the ice. I think I
Nick VinZant 43:09
really can't imagine you ice skating for I don't know if I want to say this. How are you going to feel about this or not, but John, John's body type is a pear, and you ice skating? I just can't imagine, like, Who put that pair on ice skates?
John Shull 43:28
I'm not gonna say I'm good, but like, I can go around, like I can do laughs,
Nick VinZant 43:37
oof, can you, can you go around a turn or a curve and do the thing where, like, one leg goes underneath the other, yeah, not that kind of, like, you know what I'm talking about, not that, like, shuffle turn, but like, Oh, you're turning the way you're supposed to. You can do that.
John Shull 43:52
I can glide like that. Yeah, it's not hard. It's actually a lot easier to do that than to do the three point turn. I think they call it,
Nick VinZant 43:58
oh, okay, yeah, I can't do that. I don't live
John Shull 44:02
in it took me a long time to learn how to stop, but I can stop, which is
Nick VinZant 44:05
pretty cool, you can jump, stop. Can you jump? Stop? No.
John Shull 44:08
Use No. You don't jump stop. On Ice skates.
Nick VinZant 44:12
Usually, some people do,
Speaker 1 44:15
no, I don't think they do.
Nick VinZant 44:17
They get both skates off the ground, and then they come to a stop like a figure I've seen Mighty Ducks. Okay.
John Shull 44:26
Anyways, can we get to the part of the show that you've been
Nick VinZant 44:29
wanting? Fine,
Nick VinZant 44:37
it's time the outlaw candle connoisseur Rides Again. Candle of the month.
Speaker 1 44:46
All right, we'll keep this one nice and
Nick VinZant 44:48
Oh, you got a piece of paper now. You got a piece of paper out? Yeah, I
John Shull 44:51
have notes. I always have notes, if there's scribbles on them.
Nick VinZant 44:57
Did you like start over? Oh, wait. Oh, God. Right. Look at that mess.
John Shull 45:02
Yeah, I have it broken down into segments. Anyways, okay, okay, all right, so the candle the month we're gonna go a company I've never featured, and I actually got it by accident, and I got it after Christmas, 80% off,
Nick VinZant 45:17
oh, you have to say to me,
John Shull 45:19
and a random like, they're not called stalls. Like, what are you kiosk in a mall?
Nick VinZant 45:27
Yeah, that's okay. This is, I don't really trust a lot of kiosks,
John Shull 45:32
and it's by a company. They're called nest, and it's out in New York, and the candles are actually pretty expensive. Like, if you were to buy this one right now, it's going to be about 50 bucks.
Nick VinZant 45:43
Whoa, that's an expensive candle and but you got it for 80% off, so that would be like $10
John Shull 45:49
yeah, and I got it because it's 80% off. Well, here's what the candle is. It's called the sunlit Yuzu and neroli candle,
Nick VinZant 46:03
okay, very pretentious.
John Shull 46:05
And I exactly, very pretend. I was like, You know what pretentious? I know what yuzu is. I had to look up neroli. But tell you, once it started to burn it, it's one of the best smelling candles I've ever smelled. And so basically what yuzu is, it's citrus, and Neroli is, like, it's a plant that smells like, like an orange tree, like a bitter orange tree. So you mix those, and there's a little bit of vanilla, and it's just like a really like, like in Michigan, we haven't been above freezing since, like, the middle of December, right?
Nick VinZant 46:42
Gotcha to get weather involved in it, and you go, like, above freezing.
Speaker 1 46:48
We have not, we have not, we have not.
Nick VinZant 46:51
I'm gonna check the temperatures while you go on.
John Shull 46:53
That's fair. But anyway, so, like, I, you know, I got the three wick, which is about 100 hours of burn time, and it's just one of those candles I just lit it. It took over the entire room I was in, and it just, it just transported me. And it was really, like, just really out of mind experience. And you don't get that a lot with with some candles, but with this one from nest, New York. It's worth it. Check it out. Sunlit Yuzu and neroli,
Nick VinZant 47:28
Michigan was above freezing two days ago. That is not true at all. Okay, well, then you take it up with the Lansing State Journal,
Speaker 1 47:36
yeah, that is not true at all.
Nick VinZant 47:38
I trust their reporting. Okay. Well, that's your first problem. Where is Lansing? It doesn't matter.
John Shull 47:49
I'm having connection issues. I gotta go. You
Nick VinZant 47:53
didn't get the most important part of candle in the mind.
Speaker 1 47:57
What's that?
Nick VinZant 47:58
The part where we remind people that you have had sex with a woman at least a few times, yes, at least a few times. Is there anything new on the candle forums? Any new hot debates going into 2026 have you stirred any controversy up?
John Shull 48:14
No, after the holidays, a lot of it really is just people complaining about the return process
Nick VinZant 48:22
that that's and that seems like exactly what this would be like.
John Shull 48:27
Sounds like, there's, there's, there's usually a lot of people who are upset because they'll buy them at stores or like, kiosk in the mall, and they'll go to return them, and they're not there anymore, like the pop ups are gone.
Nick VinZant 48:42
What percent of people on the candle forums would you say have multiple cats?
Speaker 1 48:49
Oh, 80 to 90%
Nick VinZant 48:53
it's got to be up there. It's definitely way up there.
John Shull 48:56
I want. Actually, I was looking at, I was on there the other day, and I wanted to, I thought of a cool, like, how cool would be that? Like, have a segment on here where I just showed you photos of, like, people's profiles. But then I was like, I don't want to, you know, yeah, but, like, some of the photos are like, you're like, okay, oh, Sandra, she might have 66 candles, but she has 74 cats.
Nick VinZant 49:20
Oh yeah, that's the, probably the only thing, like, how often do you log on to the candle form? Is this a daily thing?
John Shull 49:28
No, I mean, probably, probably every other day.
Nick VinZant 49:33
Okay, all right,
John Shull 49:34
they, actually, they're just getting ready to try to do a, like, a thread, like a cell thread, you know, like a where you can post candles to sell and buy.
Nick VinZant 49:44
Oh, my God, what's a big thing? That's the baby. This isn't just on Reddit. This is a private forum that you go to,
John Shull 49:51
no so, like, like, it's, it would be a sub, like a sub folder in Reddit, or whatever sub reddit, you know what? I mean. Okay, okay, so they have. Of them. They do have them out there, but this would be like in in this candle Reddit thread.
Nick VinZant 50:04
So okay, well, I'll put the link in the description of the show, because I know people brought it up in there. You brought it up all right? I just, I'm because I'm never disappointed at how, how much deeper this hobby of yours goes. I love you. Ever met up with somebody at the candle form? Have you made a friend?
John Shull 50:25
No, but about a month ago, I was at Bath and Body Works, and I had to ask my wife if I could engage with somebody, because she just looked lost while she was looking at the candles. And I just wanted to go over and tell her that, like, you know, tis the season is the best scent ever. Like, get as much of it as you can. But I had to get permission from my wife, because just don't want to go over and talk to this lady. And she was very thankful. She was very thankful.
Nick VinZant 50:52
Okay, maybe that's what you could do in your retirement, is just hang outside a Ken's store. Why don't you work at Beth and body works? You could be like an honorary ambassador.
John Shull 51:00
Hey, my my children wanted an apron. Because, you know, their employees wear aprons, some of them, like, maybe, maybe that's my aunt. Is my daughter's, I don't know,
Nick VinZant 51:09
maybe someday you can dream a boy can dream of life at the candle.
Speaker 1 51:17
Okay, are you ready for our top five? I am. I think I have some good ones.
Nick VinZant 51:21
Oh, okay, okay, so our top five is top five places to people. Watch your number five.
Speaker 1 51:29
So my number five are airports.
Nick VinZant 51:32
Oh, that's way too low for airport.
John Shull 51:36
You way too low for airport. You can say that. But I think I have some really, really good ones.
Nick VinZant 51:43
They better be really good, because I would not even think that airport would be number five in any way.
John Shull 51:49
Here, can I tell you the one reason why I didn't put airports higher for me personally, yes, is because when I'm in an airport, yes, it's great people watching, but I'm usually more antsy or eager or whatever, to get on the plane. Like I don't really spend a lot of time. Like I'm not relaxed enough just to sit there while waiting for my flight, to look around and, like, pinpoint, you know, watch other people I do, but I don't, like enjoy it, like I'm not relaxed enough to do it.
Nick VinZant 52:18
I cannot stand getting on a plane, I would think that if I'm one of the more I'm probably the most calm and relaxed person that I personally know about going going into situations. And I hate getting on a plane. I can't stand it. I hate it more than anything in the world. That is my like, if my idea of hell would be trying to get onto a plane to go to Orlando, Florida in the summertime. Like if I was transported to hell, it would just be that constantly,
John Shull 52:47
yeah, I just shut that shit down with my wife. She wanted to go there or
Nick VinZant 52:50
spring break. No way. Man, no way. I'm not used
Speaker 1 52:55
to work there. But what are you talking about?
Nick VinZant 52:57
You can look at Disney World on YouTube. That's the only thing that you're getting. I'm not getting into this with you. My number five is Walmart. I would have Walmart a lot higher, but I think you kind of start to worry about the future of humanity if you're there too long, like you can't people watch there for a long time, because you really start to lose a little bit of faith in humanity.
John Shull 53:19
So that that that was, like my first honorable mention. And I debated putting it like three or four, but like I said, I think I got some good ones, so I agree with you. Plus I don't really want to dog Walmart for the people, because I feel like, you know, you go to Costco, and I could people watch there and just have a field day too. It's just a different level of crazy, like, how Walmart is to me,
Nick VinZant 53:43
oh yeah, Walmart has a higher level of crazy than Costco. Costco is a little bit tame compared to Walmart. I But if somebody put Walmart is number one, I wouldn't be like, Okay, that's what I thought when you posted airport, I thought it's like, Who's he gonna put Walmart number one?
John Shull 54:03
Okay, my number four are Renaissance festivals.
Nick VinZant 54:07
Oh, I have not been, but I have heard, I have heard things like,
John Shull 54:13
once I should say this, because it's gonna come up a few times for me. So here's my blanket statement. I'm not making fun of those that go I've been to them. I just have never dressed up. But man, if you want a full day of like eating turkey legs in the hot sun and looking at people dressed up as real Vikings in August in any state, go to Renaissance festivals. It is, it is something to see.
Nick VinZant 54:39
I feel like a Renaissance Festival is more like a classier County Fair. Like, I can't go to I've been to one county fair, and I was like, No, this is too much for me. Like, I don't know where these people came from, but I'm not come. I need to be somewhere else.
John Shull 54:57
When I was a teenager, my city. Used to do, like a memorial day fair and one one year the Ring of Fire. Do you remember that at all? Not really. All right. Well, all of you poor Midwestern, Midwesterners out there know what I'm talking about. Well, it like literally came off the tracks and I told myself, I'm never going to a carnival ever again. And that that was it.
Nick VinZant 55:19
So trust amusement fair rides whatsoever. Yeah, you didn't hear number four. My number four is any government building, any place where you are mixing with groups of people that you don't normally mix with, is going to be some great, great people watching because you're like, Oh, I didn't know these people existed.
John Shull 55:42
I had so similarly, I had courts, like courthouse on my honorable mention, because it's, yeah, you get so many people from every walk of life, and it always makes for mixes, for good stuff,
Nick VinZant 55:54
the DMV, the place where you get your driver's license. Every time I'm like, Who are these people? Where did they come from? Like, the guy who's got, like, a full on six foot subway sub, and he brought it with him to the DMV. Like, what do you what?
John Shull 56:15
Okay, yeah, man, all right, my number three are theme parks.
Nick VinZant 56:20
Oh, yeah, okay, okay, okay. Very good, very good. My number three is the front porch. Just sitting on your front porch watching people walk by. I love it. I love it. I would live on my front porch if I could just watch people. You're a watcher. I am. I am
John Shull 56:42
all right, my number two are comic cons.
Nick VinZant 56:45
Okay, okay, that's kind of my people.
John Shull 56:49
So I'm like, Oh yeah, you gonna dress up? You gonna go to a furry con?
Nick VinZant 56:54
No, I couldn't dress up for anything. I don't think I could wear, like, if I had skeleton pajamas, which I think I do. I could wear those. I could never really dress up for anything. I'm like, I'm not. I'm not that type of person.
John Shull 57:08
I don't I almost, I'm not sure how I feel about people that like want to mirror like somebody else to the point to where they want to look exactly like them.
Nick VinZant 57:21
Yeah, that's a lot of effort. That's a lot of effort. Uh, my number two is the mall, but specifically the food court at the mall. Food Court has the best people watching in the mall, like, Oh, what are they gonna go eat? Oh, where are they going? Yeah.
John Shull 57:39
I mean, that's okay. I mean, I don't know. I feel like it doesn't apply much anymore, because malls are dead.
Nick VinZant 57:46
There's a couple, you can still find a couple malls. I mean, I understand that you live in Detroit, which is in the process of collapsing, so there's probably not a lot of places to go, but I live in a vibrant area this country, and there's a lot of malls here. Also rains a lot, or doesn't rain a lot, it rains frequently. So there's more malls
John Shull 58:06
here, all right, so my number one, NASCAR races,
Nick VinZant 58:11
oh man, yeah, monster truck rally with mud and competition with,
John Shull 58:24
without a doubt, it is that crowd that goes to those kind of events. I some of the highlights that I've seen. Let me just give you two. One was a man who had a full back tattoo of Dale Earnhardt, senior. That was pretty impressive. And I and then the other one that I remember quite vividly was a guy, you know, the Marine slogan is like, Don't tread on tread on me or tread on us. I don't think that's the marine slogan. Is it? What hyper phi? Well, what is, Don't tread on me. Is that?
Nick VinZant 58:58
I think that's the Gaston flag. I don't know it's one of those. I don't know what it is. I've heard it before, but I could it
John Shull 59:05
is, you are you are correct? Well, this person had that on his chest, except the A was missing in the E was gone on me. So it was just, like, you know, don't tread on and it was just, I'll never forget it. It was, I don't know, just ridiculous. So if you
Nick VinZant 59:25
were gonna get something spelled on your body as a tattoo, how many times would you spell check it?
John Shull 59:33
Oh, I mean, constantly. But I think I've actually, I think I'm gonna get a tattoo. So I've had a lot of so I've had a lot of thoughts. I don't think I'd go with, like, big words, you know, I mean, I would get initials or
Nick VinZant 59:45
something. You're not going to get a tattoo of candles.
John Shull 59:49
I thought about just getting PP on my throat right there for profoundly pointless.
Nick VinZant 59:53
You could. You would definitely, yeah, it would be a conversation starter. You. It would be a calm Why don't you get it, like, full back? Oh my god, I'm not getting on each butt cheek.
Speaker 1 1:00:07
I'm not sure they have enough ink for that. You
Nick VinZant 1:00:09
know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say it to anybody listening to this. If somebody gets PP for profoundly pointless tattooed on their butt cheeks, I'll pay for the tattoo.
Speaker 1 1:00:18
Yeah, but I want to see some photos.
Nick VinZant 1:00:21
Oh yeah, well, I mean tasteful photos. I don't want to see somebody's like, I don't want to catch this. I don't want to see something. I don't want to see I'll pay for it, but I'm going to need to see a receipt.
John Shull 1:00:35
Don't hold this ransom for your
Nick VinZant 1:00:37
plus 10% extra ass tattoo. My number one is the airport. I think you can see every human emotion at the airport, joy, sadness, anger, every emotion is displayed at the airport. And you can watch one person coming through, meeting their family that they haven't seen, and you can see somebody else just pissed off. It's endless. The airport, to me, is the best people watching, because you can see every human emotion there.
John Shull 1:01:06
Yeah, it's you could literally start a timeline from the moment you either get there to pick somebody up or you go to get on a flight. And if you read it when you land or whatever, you're going to have gone through every emotion known to man,
Nick VinZant 1:01:20
oh yeah, and every situation too, like dad with kids, single mom, recently divorced, like guys on trip, like you could see everything. It's fantastic place. Just people watch not to go. Do you anything your honorable mention other
John Shull 1:01:38
than what was already brought up? I put on a I put on here, a city bus.
Nick VinZant 1:01:43
Oh, public transportation is pretty good. Seattle has really good public transportation. It's very common for people to ride public transportation. And even then, it's very fascinating. Like, who are these people? Where are they going? Like, what are they all doing,
John Shull 1:02:01
trying to get to the mall to get candles.
Nick VinZant 1:02:03
Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps us out and let us know what you think are the best spots for people watching. I was really surprised that John put airport that high. I think airport is the best I really do. But if you think there's something else so we don't know about it, I love me some people watching.