What is consciousness and where does it come from? These are two questions Consciousness Researcher Dr. Ned Block has spent his entire life trying to answers.
In this episode we talk the origin of consciousness, what happens to our consciousness when we die and if AI (artificial intelligence) is already conscious.
Then, it’s grape and cherry vs. mango and pineapple as we countdown the Top 5 Drink Flavors.
00:00: Introducing Dr. Ned Block
01:02: What is Consciousness
04:01: How We Study Consciousness
06:26: Consciousness in Humans
07:47: What We Know About Consciousness
09:50: Why is Consciousness Important
11:15: AI and Consciousness
14:19: Consciousness and the Subsconscious
16:45: Consciousness In Other Animals
17:44: What Happens to Your Consciousness when You Die
20:01: Misconceptions About Consciousness
21:05: When We Developed Consciousness
25:02: Wild Consciousness Theories
26:06: Pointless
55:42: Top 5 Drink Flavors
Interview with Consciousness Researcher Dr. Ned Block
Nick VinZant 0:00
Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick VinZant Coming up in this episode consciousness and fruity drinks.
Dr. Ned Block 0:20
Consciousness is super important. It's important with regard to suffering. What is suffering? It's a form of consciousness. I'm a believer in the consciousness being located pretty much in the back of that. So we've only been getting real data about the brain for 30 years,
Nick VinZant 0:43
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it really helps us out. So I want to get right to our first guest, because he studies what makes us us. This is consciousness researcher, Dr Ned block, what is consciousness?
Dr. Ned Block 1:04
People often make a distinction between a couple of different senses of that term. The kind that's most interesting is what is often called phenomenal consciousness, which is what it's like to have an experience. Some people say the redness of red. The thing is, you can't really define it. You have to kind of point to it
Nick VinZant 1:26
when we talk about it. Are we talking about it in a philosophical sense, or are we talking it more of in a biological, physical sense? Is this something that we could say there's consciousness, we can point to it. We can find it in a brain image, or whatever. Or is this more something that exists, kind of a night as an idea?
Dr. Ned Block 1:46
The most clear version of this is just an idea. The idea there is that we have as the you know, energy impinges on our sense organs. We that create signals in our perceptual areas of the brain, and then they compete with one another, and some of the those those activations lose out in the Battle of the competition, and only one or two of them get sent to the frontal and parietal cortex in the front of the head and the middle of the head. And those are once they're once they're sent that way. There can be used by any cognitive system, reporting, deciding, betting, and that's called Global broadcasting.
Nick VinZant 2:39
It kind of sounds to me like something is interpreting all of the information that is coming in and then making a decision around that.
Dr. Ned Block 2:47
You're thinking of the mythical i Who is interpreting everything, but actually the brain is a whole set of subsystems with, you know, processing done of different things in different areas?
Nick VinZant 3:02
Yeah, I guess in my mind, when I'm picturing my consciousness, it's just sitting here in my brain, like there's just a space here in my Bane brain, and there's this little entity that is the consciousness. But it sounds more like, no, really, it's all over the place, and this part's doing this, and that part's doing that.
Dr. Ned Block 3:20
I'm a believer in the consciousness being located pretty much in the back of the head and in the systems that do the processing. So consciousness of motion is done in the motion areas in the back of the head, known as v5 it's a one. The early, early vision is the areas are numbered, v1 v2 v3 v4 v5 but a conscious of color would be in a different part of the brain, and I think the consciousness is in those areas. Why is
Nick VinZant 4:01
it so hard to figure out? Like, why haven't we just pinpointed this thing down?
Dr. Ned Block 4:06
That's because it's very hard to separate the conscious experience from the processes involved in thinking about the what you've seen or heard. The general category here is consciousness versus cognition. And let me give you an example of an experiment. Okay, so there is this phenomenon called binocular rivalry, and the idea of that is, if you have one picture sent to one eye and a different picture sent to the other eye. For example, a house in one eye and a face in the other eye. And what vision scientists have discovered is that if you present these properly, people's. Experience will be first a face in their whole visual field, then a house in their whole visual field, then a face again, then a house again. I do this routinely in my classes with red and green glasses and a red and green superimposed image of a face in a house. And everybody experiences this. It goes on forever, face then house, then face, then house. Okay, so the stimulus is the same, but your experience changes. So you might think all we have to do is look at the brain and see what's changing when people are aware of a face versus when they're aware of a house. And that experiment has been done many times, and the problem is that what's changing is both the representation in the face area and the house area, but also the cognitive areas, because when you see a face, you're thinking stuff about the face. When you see a house, you're thinking stuff about the house, and then the question is, where do you draw the line between the the experience and the cognition of it, that's the problem.
Nick VinZant 6:28
Makes me wonder, right? So are, are all of our consciousnesses in the general sense? Are they all the same, or are they all different to the extent that we could all just be experiencing the world in totally, totally different ways.
Dr. Ned Block 6:43
Well, that is a topic much discussed, so the best version of it is what's called the inverted spectrum hypothesis. Things that you and I both call green look to you the way things we both call red look to me. In other words, my green is your red, my red is your green. So this was in historically, first proposed by by John John Locke, historically, this many people thought in the especially with the legacy of Wittgenstein, that this was nonsense, that it made no sense at all. It was like talking about, what time is it on the sun? So Wittgenstein's example was, Is it five o'clock on the sun? Well, the trouble is, five o'clock only makes sense with respect to an earth centric time zone, there is no answer to what time it is on the Sun
Nick VinZant 7:48
if you were kind of gonna put things on as, let's say, a scale of one to 10. Yeah, 10 is the highest 10. We got this whole damn thing figured out. One we don't even know where the brain is. Where do you feel like we are in terms of consciousness?
Dr. Ned Block 8:04
Oh, maybe two or three. Two to three, it's we're really at the beginning. One thing to remember you you may not know this because you're too young to know this, but you know fMRI, which has been the workhorse of brain scanning for some years was only brought online in a usable form in the late 1990s so we've only been getting real data about the brain for 30 years. Yeah.
Nick VinZant 8:35
Do you think that we'll be able to answer those questions, or is this just fundamentally a thing like, God, we can't figure this out, and we might never well,
Dr. Ned Block 8:44
there is this thing called the hard problem of consciousness, that is a term given to it by my colleague David Chalmers. And the hard problem is that even if we know what the neural basis of an experience is that would not tell us why it's the neural base of that experience instead of some other experience or no experience. So the you could, you might be able to get a good correlational understanding of what consciousness is in the brain. But why that's the neural basis of consciousness might be much harder to find out. Some people think we'll never solve it. Other people think, well, we just have to keep going and see if you know, we need a breakthrough. We need we need a new theory. And then still, other people think there's something wrong with the question. It doesn't really make any sense
Nick VinZant 9:49
for somebody who might be listening to this and just thinking, I have no idea what these two people are talking about, like I am so lost. What does this kind of ultimately mean? Conscious?
Dr. Ned Block 10:00
Is super important. It's important with regard to suffering. What is suffering? It's a form of consciousness. So if we want to know whether what we're doing to animals is bad, we need to know whether they suffer. So, for example, some people think insects are conscious. Were we to discover that insects are conscious, then there would be a lot of pressure to be careful about the use of insecticide, and then there's AI. So many people are concerned about AI welfare. That is whether the AI systems we have are suffering and whether we need laws to protect them. So this issue of consciousness is not a purely academic issue. It really it impacts real world policies and the pressure to make some kinds of decisions will get ever stronger as AI gets more sophisticated, and as that, as we learn more about animals.
Nick VinZant 11:13
Could, I mean, could humans exist without it?
Dr. Ned Block 11:16
Well, it looks like sophisticated reasoning requires consciousness, although nobody knows for sure, because the AIS do sophisticated reasoning and maybe they're not conscious. So we did the I guess maybe the right answer is we don't know.
Nick VinZant 11:36
This kind of gets into some of our harder slash listeners submitted questions. So are you ready for some okay, sure, yeah. Does our consciousness change? Are we the same person every day, every year, every month, every etc, like that. Does it seem to change? Or is it like, no, it's barely standard.
Dr. Ned Block 11:53
I think the fair answer to that is we don't know. You know, most people report that they're pretty much the same today as yesterday.
Nick VinZant 12:02
So we're made up of cells and all these other things that I can't quite remember. Like, exactly what we're made up of, like are, those are my cells, part of my consciousness. Is my bones, part of my consciousness. Or there are
Dr. Ned Block 12:17
these people called pan psychus who think that everything is conscious, I myself don't take that too seriously, and I know you'd have the hard trouble finding a neuroscientist who takes that seriously. For one thing, it wouldn't solve any problems, because even if the electrons and protons in our body are conscious, you have to explain how putting those things together makes us conscious.
Nick VinZant 12:48
They don't take it seriously because there's proof that it's not or just like that's way too like, when you're taking you're taking this way too far.
Dr. Ned Block 12:57
Look, everything we have discovered about consciousness is based in the brain. So if you here's a here's a sample, when you attend to something, it looks slightly bigger. My colleague Marissa Carrasco in the psych department at NYU, has shown conclusively that when you when you focus your attention on something, it slightly increases in apparent size. And she has explained that neurally, the way it works is, in our visual system, we have what's called a receptive field each neuron, namely, it's aimed at a certain area of space. And what happens when you attend is the neurons. If your receptive field of a neuron is right on the object you're attending to, the surrounding neurons start focusing on that area too, giving a larger brain area. So the reason something looks bigger when you attend is there's more brain focusing on it. So we can explain something about how things look, and the explanations are always in the brain. So looking to somewhere else is not going
Nick VinZant 14:19
to work, I know, so we have the conscious and the subconscious, but how can things be happening in my brain that I'm not aware of that's always fascinated me, right? Because, you know, like, I don't know exactly where my hands are, but my brain knows where my hands are, but I'm not thinking about where my hands are. So like, how can is that part of my consciousness, like, how can I be aware of things I'm not conscious about?
Dr. Ned Block 14:45
You know, everybody who's an academic has had the experience of posing a question to themselves and then doing something else where they relax executive control and then the answer. Done by the guys in the back room just presents itself to us. So there's a lot of reasoning that appears to be going on unconsciously. You know, many people have described this, and you know, we're all familiar with this happening. You're worried about something and then you think about something else, and then the answer pops into your head. A lot of people report that that happens when they're in the shower, yeah, because when you're in the shower, you're thinking about, you know, you're just your mind, your your mental control is relaxing, so
Nick VinZant 15:39
like, my brain is consciously processing things that I'm not consciously aware of.
Dr. Ned Block 15:45
It's unconsciously processing things that you're not consciously aware of.
Nick VinZant 15:50
Then am I missing out on like, is that a good thing, or am I missing out on so much of the world?
Dr. Ned Block 15:57
Well, you're missing out on a lot of your reasoning process. But, you know, maybe it works better if you're missing out
Nick VinZant 16:04
on it. Yeah, you can only think about so many things, right? Yeah, and
Dr. Ned Block 16:08
maybe there are that kinds of things that are just better done unconsciously.
Nick VinZant 16:12
Does there seem to be any rhyme or reason for like, Okay, this type of thing is going to be done unconsciously, and this type of thing is going to be done consciously.
Dr. Ned Block 16:20
It looks like certain kinds of pattern reasoning, pattern recognition reasoning is is better done unconsciously, whereas multiple steps that you have to keep in mind, maybe that requires consciousness in humans.
Nick VinZant 16:39
It sounds kind of like the brain needs the boss to leave the
Dr. Ned Block 16:42
room Exactly.
Nick VinZant 16:45
Are we the only things that seem to be conscious, like my dog is over here. Is my dog conscious?
Dr. Ned Block 16:51
We have every reason to believe that higher primates are just as conscious as we are. They have many of the same conscious phenomena. So here's an example. If you see a spiral going this way, and focus on it, and then you look at a white wall, you'll see the opposite spiral. So it's called sensory adaptation. And animal higher primates, they all do that. They all have that same experience, including, like the first one was to be studied with gorillas. So the way you do that is you train the gorilla to make one response if it's going this way, and another response if it's going that way. And then you show him this thing, and he makes that response, and then he looks at a white wall. You show him a white screen, and he makes the other response. What happens when we die? I think you turn into dirt.
Nick VinZant 17:47
Can we look at a brain and be like the consciousness is gone?
Dr. Ned Block 17:51
Well, when there's no neural activity, you know, the consciousness is gone.
Nick VinZant 17:55
It's not something that like because you know, the inevitable question is, but could our consciousness somehow continue in another form.
Dr. Ned Block 18:03
There's no evidence for that at all. It would be nice, but no, I don't think so.
Nick VinZant 18:09
Is it something we could transfer?
Dr. Ned Block 18:11
Ah, well, that is a topic of much interest. Can we upload our mind to the cloud or transfer it into a more youthful brain, or transfer it into a machine. And you know, if you think that consciousness depends on the biology of the brain, then transferring your mind to the cloud is going to make your mind unconscious. So that's what I think. I think it's the biology of the brain that's crucial,
Nick VinZant 18:46
since we're talking about kind of uploading, which reminds me of computers. Do you think AI is conscious?
Dr. Ned Block 18:52
Well, I think it's a topic of a lot of discussion. So you know one way of approaching it is to ask whether the theories of conscious human consciousness apply to machines. So for example, one of the theories that I mentioned is the global workspace theory. So does aI have a global workspace? Well, many people think no, because our current AI systems, anyway, are mostly feed forward and the global workspace, in fact, every theory, every major theory of consciousness says a feed forward system is not conscious, a purely feed forward system, because in the human brain, all conscious activity by according to any theory of consciousness, requires A lot of feedback, with loops, feedback loops and so there is an issue as to whether there really is a global workspace in current machines, or whether we can make a global workspace in current machines. So I would say that this is one of those questions that nobody knows the answer. Or two.
Nick VinZant 20:01
What do you think is the biggest misconception about consciousness?
Dr. Ned Block 20:05
The biggest misconception is to confuse Access Consciousness with phenomenal consciousness. Hate to
Nick VinZant 20:12
kind of retread old ground, but I'm still kind of, I don't quite understand the difference between Access Consciousness and phenomenal consciousness. Access.
Dr. Ned Block 20:21
Consciousness is a purely informational notion. It means, if I see a red thing, it means that I can say, I can report that it's red. I can use the fact that I'm seeing a red thing and reasoning. I can ask myself the question, well, if I'm seeing a red thing, why is it red? How did the red thing get here? Whereas phenomenal conscious is just raw experience,
Nick VinZant 20:46
just kind of living life versus thinking about a particular thing, is that a dumb guy way of, kind of looking at it?
Dr. Ned Block 20:52
No, it's the kind of experience that maybe a baby has, even if it doesn't know, have any concepts of anything, and can't reason about anything. It's just raw experience.
Nick VinZant 21:05
Do we seem to have consciousness from the very beginning? Ah, yeah, that, yeah.
Dr. Ned Block 21:12
So there's very good evidence, actually, much of it done by my colleague here at NYU Claudia. Pass us very good evidence that newborns are conscious. And there's a lot of research on fetal consciousness. And, you know, nobody really knows, but definitely, by by, by the time a fetus is born, it's, it's, has conscious experience.
Nick VinZant 21:38
I mean, could somebody exist without it. Is there any documented cases of somebody being alive and not having conscious experiences?
Dr. Ned Block 21:48
Oh yeah. People in the people in a persistent coma may not have any conscious experience,
Nick VinZant 21:54
any with somebody like just going about their day? Oh no, none
Dr. Ned Block 21:58
of those. But you know, are there are these cases of hydrocephalic infants, that is, infants born without a Cortex, and there is a real question as to whether they're conscious.
Nick VinZant 22:13
What do you think is the single most interesting thing you've learned about consciousness?
Dr. Ned Block 22:18
I think the thing that has gotten me most excited recently is reasons to think that consciousness is some kind of a an analog process that cannot be understood computationally. So, I mean, there's no hard evidence on this, but, you know, there's the the evidence is accumulating, I think that it isn't a computational thing, that it depends on waves in the brain and the electrochemical activity in the brain. So that's quite exciting, because it's a different focus. Instead of focusing on the computations, we can focus on more the mechanisms, the electrochemical mechanisms.
Nick VinZant 23:03
Can we go back, right? So, obviously, we're descended from apes. Can we go back and be like, Okay, what was our nearest ancestor that maybe wasn't conscious?
Dr. Ned Block 23:13
There is a controversy about what the first animals were, and the controversy is whether they're sponges, which have no neurons, and a kind of organism called the comb jelly. So turns out the comb jelly have a purely electrical neural net. Whereas we do not have a purely electrical system. We have a system with neurotransmitters. So we have neurons where, when a neuron fires, it emits neurotransmitters into the soup around the neurons, and then they're taken up by other neurons. That's how your brain works. It works with electrical signals changed into chemicals. Those chemicals are then taken up by another neuron, turned into electrical energy, and then more chemicals get injected into the soup. So that's how your brain works. The tenophores, the comb jellies, their brain doesn't work like that, and they are an evolutionary dead end. The next stage up, cnidarians, which include the sea anemone and true jellyfish, those are much more like us, and they even have a sleep wake cycle recently discovered. And you know, although they don't really have a brain, their nervous system seem more akin to ours. So I think that's the place to look for the first. Glimmers of consciousness.
Nick VinZant 25:02
Your favorite conspiracy theory, slash wildest theory about consciousness, that
Dr. Ned Block 25:07
consciousness is an illusion, that there is no such thing that we've convinced ourselves that there is. There are lots of people who think that
Nick VinZant 25:18
if we're not conscious, then what are we?
Dr. Ned Block 25:22
Yeah, well, many people pointed out that there's something slightly self contradictory about this, because what does it mean to say it's an illusion? An illusion is an appearance of something, but an appearance is a conscious experience. So if it's an if there's an appearance of consciousness, then we're conscious.
Nick VinZant 25:40
Perception is reality, right? Like the simple thought that you the simple fact that you had that thought proves that you are conscious in some way. Yeah, exactly. I want to thank Dr block so much for joining us. If you want to connect with him, we have a link to him on our social media sites. We're profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included his information in the episode description. Okay, now let's bring in John Shull and get to the pointless part of the show. What do you consider to be the perfect number of drinks?
John Shull 26:15
I mean, I have two follow up questions. One, alcohol, or like, soda, alcohol.
Nick VinZant 26:22
I mean, I was really gonna make fun of it, but then it's like, okay, that's a legitimate, no, that's not a legitimate question. Like, alcohol, what do you consider to be the appropriate number of sodas? Like, you can't, you cannot just sit there and pop can after can of soda. You can't. You can't just, all right, but are you gonna have another one right after that.
John Shull 26:41
That's my eighth today. Is it really? I'm kidding. Actually, I haven't had a verner's. My stomach's a little upset today, so I'm having a verner's, which is good.
Nick VinZant 26:53
If you're stuck your stomach is upset. So have some. It's ginger ale. That's good ginger ales. It's still soda. It is. The original is ginger ale supposed to be good for your stomach. Does it say? Like, good for the gut on the
John Shull 27:06
western thing? I wouldn't expect you to know what it is.
Nick VinZant 27:09
I'm from the Midwest. I'm far more Midwestern than you are. I'm from Kansas.
John Shull 27:15
What am I? I didn't Well, so yeah, what's Michigan? Then, if we're not Midwest shit hole that's so terrible.
Nick VinZant 27:23
Most commercial ginger ale is not an effective remedy for an upset stomach, despite urban legends that it is. Yeah, because it actually, it does not actually have any ginger according to the Cleveland Clinic HEALTH ESSENTIALS, does ginger ale help with nausea?
John Shull 27:38
No, I'm pretty sure they made a movie called Urban Legend, so it's real.
Nick VinZant 27:44
I don't think
John Shull 27:46
my, my, my second question to your question is, well, like, what kind of drinks are we talking about?
Nick VinZant 27:57
Why does everything have to be so calm? Are we doing shots? John? What? What date? John, what day is it?
Speaker 1 28:03
Well, are we doing shots? Are we
Nick VinZant 28:05
going by the Gregorian calendar? Wondering, are we going by the common era calendar?
John Shull 28:10
So, so here's my answer. If it's shots, for me, it's gonna be four to eight. If it's high ABV beers, which is what I drink only, like 10 percenters.
Nick VinZant 28:21
Oh my God. What a snob thing to say. What an absolute snob thing. Because high ABV, because high ABV, because that's something that people say in casual conversation. Whenever I ask somebody better about a new drink, it's like, hey, what's the ABV? I mean, you should, what proof is it? No, you shouldn't. That's such a snob thing to say, right? Like, oh, I'm gonna use this Akron. I don't think so. I don't think it's snobby. It's just no one uses that in casual conversation. Nobody would say something like, here, I'll tell you what to be a plane Jay Here, try this beer. It's six
John Shull 28:53
ABV, simple. I'll say this for me, it's six to 10 drinks at a night.
Nick VinZant 29:00
That's that's more. I think that's probably going to be more than most people your age,
John Shull 29:05
probably because they're also either straight liquor or high percentage beers. Like, if I'm doing Coors lights, probably have 20 of them in a night. I don't, but I could, oh, my god,
Nick VinZant 29:16
yeah, my number is way lower than yours. Like, my perfect number is around two to three. Yeah, that's about where I want to stay. Is just a little bit buzzed, but is okay? Is that number for you a little bit buzzed, or more than a little bit
Speaker 1 29:31
buzzed, barely buzzed, to be honest? Wow.
Nick VinZant 29:35
Well, I guess when you're throwing when you just bring up ABV, casual conversation, have you ever actually said that to another living human person?
John Shull 29:43
Yeah, it's quite common amongst my friend group
Nick VinZant 29:47
to talk about high like, what's the ABV this beer?
John Shull 29:49
Like, if you're opening a beer, then it's not, you know, it's not a Coors Light, Bud Light, blah, blah, blah. That's, well, I mean, what is it? My friends know me as the guy who's gonna hand you a 12. Percent beer, so they want to know what the ABV is,
Nick VinZant 30:05
and they say ABV,
John Shull 30:07
yeah, or what percentage, or Yeah. I mean, I don't, I think you're, I think you're downplaying ABV. I think it's actually a quite common term in the drinking world.
Nick VinZant 30:19
I've never heard it before, until right now. I mean, I've heard it before, but I've never heard someone actually say it until right now. Is you guys? Do you guys have a group name? Is it called the insufferables?
Speaker 1 30:28
No, actually, it's the good times.
Nick VinZant 30:32
Do you really have a group Have you ever had? Okay, good, all right, because if you had a group name, we call ourselves the blah blah, blah, and like, No, I'm not hanging out. I'm not hanging out with people who use I
John Shull 30:45
will tell you this. I went out on Valentine's Day with we went out with another couple. And before we went out, here's just a shot, right? A snapshot we had. Yeah, we had three shots in an entire bottle of Saki before we even left the house.
Nick VinZant 31:03
Oh yeah, that's I don't drink that much anymore. I'm you and I used to be about the same level of liking drinking, and now I am not. It has fallen off a lot for me.
John Shull 31:16
Well, I think, I think my, I think my time has hit below i But the problem with me is, and I think a lot of people out there can agree, or, you know, go along with this, is it's not that I drink every night. I might drink once a week, but when I drink once a week, it's 10 beers at 300 calories a piece, and then I have four dinners. Like, that's not okay. That's a whole week's worth of shit, essentially.
Nick VinZant 31:40
Yeah, that's the problem, man, you can't you have to. You have to embrace modern moderate, moderation as you get older. Anyways, I swear that I've gotten stupid in the last six months.
Speaker 1 31:51
Why? Because you stuttered, no,
Nick VinZant 31:54
because my brain just doesn't seem to work as well as it did six months
John Shull 31:57
I am finding that I'm having like, I'm forgetting things. And I don't know if that's stress, I don't know if that's just getting older or a combination of both, but like today, I sent a text to somebody at like 10am I sent the same exact text at like 6pm and they were like, long day, huh? And I was like, What do you mean? And they're like, You legit. Told me this eight hours ago.
Nick VinZant 32:18
Why didn't you just look at the text message history and see like, Oh, I already sent this.
John Shull 32:23
I clear because we had texted enough throughout the day that that was gone, you know. So, oh,
Nick VinZant 32:29
okay, yeah. Anyway, okay, okay, yeah, all right. Well, you are in the vast majority. 70% of people said zero to three. 16% said three to six, 12% said six to nine, and only 4% said more than 10. I think alcohol has really taken a big hit in society. I think the sales are down like 50% I think alcohol is kind of a thing in the past.
John Shull 32:52
Alcohol is the new cigarettes, so, but somebody will find an alternative that appeals to the next generation, or like vaping was big. I don't know if maybe it still is, like, somebody will come up with, like, something. I think cannabis water is on the rise, I think right now, or cannabis something like, I
Nick VinZant 33:11
mean, we're always going to want to, like, change our mental state in some form or fashion. But I do think that alcohol is like, oh, it's kind of bad for you. Like, that's not really good for you. I mean, it is. It does kill things for a reason.
John Shull 33:24
Yeah, yeah, I do think, yeah, it's not, but it just tastes so good. I actually,
Nick VinZant 33:31
oh, really, I don't. I don't like the taste. I've never liked the taste of it.
John Shull 33:34
I don't think anyone the next day after getting that drunk or buzzed or whatever, when you have a headache or maybe you've done something you regret, or you don't remember. I don't think any nice drink, by the way, love those star Starburst ice. I don't think anyone, I don't think anyone goes man. I can't wait to do that again, but yet you do it anyways.
Nick VinZant 33:54
So, oh yeah, because I think that ultimately you are chasing that slight buzz that, to me, is the best. I just want to be a little
John Shull 34:03
one thing I've never understood, because I've never been an alcoholic, and I'm not saying that to be funny, is I still know how people can drink. You know, 15 to 30 Bud Lights a day, like, I just, I mean, at some point even I would be like, man. Like, these are just the my I'm just bloated. Like, I'm not even, I don't even want anymore.
Nick VinZant 34:23
Oh, you mean, like, how physically well, I mean, they're just addicted. Like, I think at that point you're addicted. Your body needs it. It's not like, Hey, man, I'm having a great time here.
John Shull 34:31
Yeah, but I'm addicted to pizza. I had three, you know, Smalls over the weekend. Three smalls
Nick VinZant 34:40
is that the name of a pizza or the size of the size of the pizza? Why didn't
Speaker 1 34:47
you just get it? I was joking.
Nick VinZant 34:51
I could see you doing that, though, honestly, like, No, I'm gonna buy three small and she just get one large. No.
Speaker 1 34:56
Well, anyways, we'll see what the future holds. Okay.
Nick VinZant 34:59
Well. Oh, that was my question. I thought it was much smarter earlier today.
John Shull 35:06
I yeah, I do have a question for you, and I you can gras me if you want on this, but do you believe in the Best Buy dates on food products?
Nick VinZant 35:18
Not really, but I'm not willing to risk it. So especially when it comes to meat, like I'm not pushing a couple of days past the by date, like, I don't believe it, but I'm not going to be the I'm not going to plant my flag and risk it at that point. Do you
John Shull 35:36
so meat is probably the only thing that well, meat and milk products, like, if a yogurt is, you know, three days old by the best by date, I won't eat it like i and it could be perfectly fine. I'm sure it's pasteurized enough and all that good stuff, but milk and meat products I don't mess with.
Nick VinZant 35:56
Oh, I'm okay with, like, bread, if it's the kind of thing where I can see visually that there's something wrong with it, then I'm okay with going way past the Best Buy date, but I'm not gonna mess with like, milk, cheese, eggs, any kind of dairy, like, anything that you can be like, Oh, you can get really sick off that. I'm not gonna mess with it all.
John Shull 36:17
I'll say is, it truly is incredible when you see what actually is made from real ingredients, and what isn't and what lasts longer, insane. Is
Nick VinZant 36:30
this going to be a snob thing? No, why did you, why did you bring this up? What was the impetus for
Speaker 1 36:35
this? The impetus, okay, wow,
Nick VinZant 36:38
I know I was pretty I was as I was saying. And I was like, I hope I'm using that word right. And then I realized, like, I am using it right. So much for getting dumber, like I talked about earlier. You don't use a word like impetus, impush, three syllables, the imp, did you do the clap method?
John Shull 36:55
The impetus was, No, I did the finger method. Impotence. Anyways, why did clap? Uh, because I was going through my pantry the other day it came across like, some beans that were, you know, dated for like, 2024 and my wife was like, they're fine, like they're beans, they're in a can. And I was like, I don't know, honey, we're pushing two years on these things.
Nick VinZant 37:21
I'm not pushing two years. I did actually, God, I did have similar thought. Is that I bought some I bought some corn, and I was looking at the corn, and I was like, How is this thing okay to eat by 2028 like, how is this food just in this can, and it's fine to eat for the next two and a half years like that just doesn't seem right to me.
John Shull 37:46
It probably it was good too. I've started to become more aware of what's in things, and it's actually quite scary if you start Googling some of the ingredients that we put into our bodies. Yeah.
Nick VinZant 38:01
But this is the thing, right? Like, I don't think that really people should Google anything, because the context is never there, right? Like, oh, that chemical sounds really bad, but you don't really know what amount it's in. You don't actually know what it does. I think it's become very, very difficult to actually figure out the truth now, and that's a huge problem.
John Shull 38:20
I mean, yes, it's very hard, yes.
Nick VinZant 38:25
The older you get, the more you realize the answer to everything is, it depends, and you can look something up immediately, but you have, don't you don't have the context to understand what that thing really means. Like a headache. Is that just a headache? Are you a little thirsty, or do you have brain cancer? Well, like, if you just look up the symptoms, like you could diagnose yourself with anything. There's no context in the world anymore. That's a big problem.
John Shull 38:50
Well, we have nobody steering the ship that you know helps anyways.
Nick VinZant 38:55
Yes, ah, maybe people need to know more about ABV snob.
John Shull 38:58
I'm listen. I'm more than happy to have a beer podcast with you, but anytime, exactly anytime I've tried to, you know, veer off. You just shut it down
Nick VinZant 39:07
because it's too snobby. It's too snobby. It's like, I just can't put that much time and attention to something that ultimately leaves my body within the next four hours.
John Shull 39:18
I get it, I mean, and when you say it like that, it's well, it doesn't leave your body. I mean, alcohol stays in your system for what? Three days. I have no idea. Yeah, anyways, neither do you. Let's, let's see how right I am. You ready? Mr. Impetus, over here. Impetus, how long does alcohol stay in your system?
Nick VinZant 39:42
Oh, my God, this is okay. You can't text anymore. Can you 72 this is another this is another sign that you are getting older. Once you start voice to texting everything, do you type your text messages, or do you voice to text them? I.
John Shull 40:00
Uh, it depends I I'm a good combination of both. If I will say if it's something longer, if the response to the or whatever I'm saying is longer, I always go voice to text.
Nick VinZant 40:13
I think it is a very obvious sign that someone is getting older when they start doing voice to text, because you also hold it in a stupid way. You don't hold it in a cool way. You end up holding it kind of like it's a plate that you don't know how to use, like, I don't want to break this thing, I'm not sure what I'm doing with it. And you end up like, having this weird thing. And we look now like our parents did, taking pictures with iPads. That is how our generation looks. Voice to texting is how our parents looked taking pictures with iPads.
John Shull 40:45
Are we ready for shout outs? Go ahead, Google. Old man, give shout outs. Kidding. Okay, all right, here, let's see. We'll start with Wendy Schneider, Mike Norman, Sophie Davidson, Kennard Hart, Eloise, Harding, Webster, bird, Catherine, Boyd, Noah Hansen, Alex Fletcher, and Xavier hummus.
Nick VinZant 41:12
Hummus, huh? Xavier, not Xavier. How do you spell it? X A, V, I, E, R, yeah, that's Xavier, not in Xavier.
Speaker 1 41:22
Xavier is Xavier.
Nick VinZant 41:25
What is this name? Jojo Han, Joe. Why? Let's add J, O, H, N, Joe, I like to
John Shull 41:32
add a little bit of classiness to my names.
Nick VinZant 41:36
Would you like to if you could change your name to something else? What would you be? Your name be,
John Shull 41:41
oh, I mean, I don't want it now, but I always, you know, I always like the more, like of our generation, like the progressive boys names, like, I always wish maybe I would have been a lance or a Travis. Oh, like Ezekiel, sure, just John is so boring. But like, I do feel, and I guess this is a question to you, is, do you think people, for the most part, look like their names? Yeah, yeah, right.
Nick VinZant 42:13
Like, yes, I would say ultimately, people do look like their names. And it makes sense. Like, oh yeah, that tracks Yeah.
John Shull 42:23
Like, most toms are gonna look like toms. Most Joanna's are gonna look like Joanna's. I just like, it's just the way it is.
Nick VinZant 42:33
Yeah, I always go back to the example of Derek. I can spot a Derek miles away. Like, that guy's name is Derek. You definitely do 100% chance that guy's name is Derek. You can see a lance, like a lance or a Derek. You can like, yeah, that guy's name is Lance. That guy's name is Derek. Absolutely you can spot a Steve. I don't know if, okay, I don't know if you can tell. I don't know if a person's I don't know if a person matches the name, but the type of person matches the name, like, there's kind of douchey names. There's like, okay, maybe I'm like, a wakeboarder or surfer names, right? They fit. I think you I don't think you can fit the name to the person. But I think you can fit the category of name to the person, like Steve Tom Bob, you can spot somebody that's going to be named one of those, yeah, like, would you looking at looking at me? Would you think that guy's probably like, a nick or a Noah, yeah, maybe a Logan, yeah.
John Shull 43:39
I any of those really? Maybe a Brett. Could also see you as a Brett,
Nick VinZant 43:45
yeah, a slightly a traditional but slightly different, yeah, for sure. I could see that like I could see you being a John, a bob. You could be a bob. You know, you could be Bob. God, actually, I can't,
Speaker 1 44:01
yeah, Bob Shaw, maybe a Robert or a Bob to Bob?
Nick VinZant 44:05
No, you'd be Bob. You'd be Bob. You Bob? Yeah, yeah. I know you try to class it up and you try to get into the Robert territory by talking about abv and snobby stuff like that, but you're just a bob, man. You're a bob.
John Shull 44:16
Well, let's talk about somebody else that's classy, shall we? Because I, I think we got the unintentional sound bite of the year last year already, with it only being February, if this was an AI, which I don't think it was, but RFK, Jr, you know, do you know where I'm going?
Nick VinZant 44:40
I don't know what this is, but I cannot imagine it is going to be smart that is like, Look, I'm not politics aside. Believe what you want to believe. This isn't that kind of a show, but you cannot listen to that person talk and think that's a smart man. If you could somehow take all of your political beliefs put aside and just listen to. That person talk about cars, you would not be like that. Sounds like a smart guy. He seems like someone who knows what's going on.
John Shull 45:08
So, so I don't, I don't know what he was on or where he was, but apparently he was talking about, you know, covid 19, you know, there's, it's a, there's more cases. It's kind of coming back, whatever, to a certain degree. And he says he's not worried about germs. And I quote, by the way, because he used to snort cocaine off of toilet seats. And I'm reading here he was on the podcast with Theo Vaughn when he said that. So anyways, that is, what is he? That's the healthy, listen, I love that he's real, right? I mean, it's cool. You're real in I guess. But, like,
Dr. Ned Block 45:49
I don't know that that might be my favorite quote
Speaker 1 45:53
in a long time.
Nick VinZant 45:55
I mean, but you are in a high up position in the United States government, right? Like, you should act as if you've been there before a little bit and realize that you saying something like that is not the best example for people. I understand the idea of, like, I'm going to be real, I'm going to be a man of the people, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But don't say that. Like, don't say that in a public place. But you can put off that same kind of vibe without talking about what you used to do and things like that. And like, yeah, that's that, to me, is one of the hallmarks of dumb people, is they can never put two and two firmly together, right? Like, just because you did that doesn't mean that germs aren't real. Like, well, I didn't get sick the time I ate rotten beef. Yeah, that doesn't mean you should do it all the time.
John Shull 46:44
I mean, once again, without going into politics, he's essentially the number one healthcare professional in the country, right? Like, other than the Surgeon General and Dr Oz, whatever he is now the Medicaid guy or whatever. But just to say, you know, and he did it in in perfect RFK Jr fashion, too. Because, you know, he has that, that weird impediment when he speaks from whatever he has, you know. So it was like, I used to snort cocaine off of toilet seats.
Nick VinZant 47:14
Like, I don't know how a person again, trying to put any politics aside about it, like, I don't know how anybody could hear that person talk and say that and then be like, You know what? You're right, yeah, dude, I listen. You're right. That didn't have any effect on you. I do
John Shull 47:28
think it's important, because I don't care if he's ever Democrat. I don't you know he's a Republican. I don't care if you're a liberal. You say something like that, you should be massacred for it. I'm sorry. You just should, yeah, you can't. Nothing will happen because of the way the world we live in. I don't know, I there's, there's one, there's like, 2% of me that's, like, That's fucking awesome. Like, I wish I could go on this podcast right now and be like, Nick I don't care about covid. It doesn't affect me because I do cocaine of toilet seats, right?
Nick VinZant 48:01
Like there's such it's such a false equivalency of things like doing cocaine off of toilet seats, doesn't it's not the same as a virus that goes around. Like it's not the same thing, right? Like it's people who can't distinguish climate from weather. Let's see what else. Well, good, good. Good for him. Look, if you want to put your eggs in that basket, that is your choice. But my eggs are not going in that basket. I'm not following that guy. Like, I mean, like, I'm gonna do what he said. Yeah, I'm probably is that is a man who has thought this through.
John Shull 48:33
I'm probably not either. I didn't want to bring this up, but I'm just baffled. Man like, and I think everyone listening to this, this whole Nancy Guthrie thing, like, I don't even know what to say now about it, like the Sheriff of, I think it's Pima or Pima County came out.
Nick VinZant 48:50
It's Pima County. I used to live in Tucson, said that. So I can offer some insight into local pronunciation. Just go ahead and pick it. Just go ahead
John Shull 48:59
that it could take years to find her. Like, where is she? Like, in the core of the Earth, like, for God's sakes,
Nick VinZant 49:09
I have always been fascinated by these types of cases, or anything where you have a missing person in the sense of, like, how could you find them and how could you not find them at the same time? I mean, if you go out in the middle of the desert there, and I used to live in that area, like there is nothing there except for coyotes and mountain lions and those kind of things. And so if somebody just dropped a body in the desert, like you ain't finding it. So I'm always equally impressed or equally fascinated by like, how could you not and how could you at the same time, it's also this. This story kind of annoys me. Do you want me get on my soapbox?
John Shull 49:44
Are you going to offend the Guthrie's?
Nick VinZant 49:49
Maybe not, if they are an objective people about this, right? Like, why is it the only time we care about somebody's a missing old light white lady? Oh, I mean, like, there's lots of missing people all over the place. We only care about this one. I was
John Shull 50:01
talking about that the other day. What was the case where there was the couple and and he killed her, dumped her body, the boyfriend.
Nick VinZant 50:10
I can't, I can't think of what the name is, Gabby, or something like that. I think it's
John Shull 50:15
searching for her. They found like, eight other bodies or something. But we never hear about, Oh, yeah.
Nick VinZant 50:21
Like, I'm just saying there is, like, you and I used to work in news, you still do, like, there is a certain amount. Like, okay, it's not quite that simple. Like, people pay attention to things with a story behind them. Some people don't necessarily, like, they just go missing. There isn't a big story there. I know that sounds kind of harsh and but that's just, that's kind of what people gravitate to, but we're also responsible for the own world we live in. Like, oh, people would care about those other missing people if other people paid attention to it and click the news, but they don't. So it's kind of like you create the world that you live in a little bit. But yeah, it's Yeah. I mean, people go missing all the time. I think that we could do a little
John Shull 51:01
bit well, let's see James Van Der Beek, apparently he had, I mean, hundreds of 1000s of dollars that he owed the IRS. So a month before he died, he bought a $4 million house, and then he died,
Nick VinZant 51:16
and then hit the public up for a million dollar GoFundMe, or however, many millions in GoFundMe.
John Shull 51:20
Is that brilliant or not brilliant? I don't know.
Nick VinZant 51:27
I don't think that it's brilliant because, God, to go back onto this,
John Shull 51:30
by the way, you sound like the old man. FYI, just, I'm just saying,
Nick VinZant 51:35
oh, first of all, I'm not saying that. Words like ABV, I'm over here
Speaker 1 51:38
dropping that means I'm hip. That means I'm young.
Nick VinZant 51:41
No, you're not. That means you're pretentious. Oh, well, you and the insufferables group that hangs out together, like, Hey guys, let's get the insufferables together and be pretentious. They're actually good. What do you think about the hops in this one? Oh, I don't know. It's not German hops.
John Shull 51:57
Anyways, go back on your soapbox. There you.
Nick VinZant 52:01
I forgot it already because I got angry about what you're becoming in your old age. Well, hey, sitting around talking about ABV, can I hand you a 12 point A 12% ABV beer, and you'd be like, Oh, that's 12% did you compare it to an 11.5 are you that level of snob?
John Shull 52:16
That's a pretty hard comparison. I don't know if I could do that 10 to 12? No, probably like 12 to seven, six, a lot, a lot of it's in the flavor, like the body of the beer. Oh, my God. All right, let's see. Last thing I have, what was I gonna talk it doesn't matter. I'm actually gonna cut you off for once. I'll go for it. Robert Duvall, huh? Rip Robert Duvall passed away this week or this weekend.
Nick VinZant 52:45
Get him and Harvey Keitel confused. Okay, I get the two of them confused. There's always two actors that seem exactly alike. It's like we couldn't get Kurt Russell, we'll get Patrick Swayze. It's the same person.
John Shull 52:59
You take that back, they're not even close to being the same person.
Nick VinZant 53:04
They could play each other's parts if you could, like, well, just put Kurt Russell in there. Nobody's gonna know the difference. Patrick, there's always two actors that are interchangeable. And like, well, if you can't get that guy, you can get this wrong. It's like the Chris Evans and Chris Pine, the guy who was in Star Trek in Captain America. Like, well, we couldn't get Chris Evans, we'll just get the other guy. Nobody. Won't even know that's
John Shull 53:24
saying that you're not correct on some but Patrick Swayze and Kurt Russell, no, not they. There's no way.
Nick VinZant 53:30
I don't even know which one. You asked me which one was in which movie, and I couldn't, probably couldn't even tell. Can you name me Kurt Russell was snake poliskin, right? Or is that Patrick Swayze? I don't even know which one was in Road House. Don't know it was either Kurt Russell or Patrick sway. He's one of the two.
John Shull 53:45
Can you name me any Robert Duvall movies? I hope you can name me at least two. Well, the Godfather, that's the easy one, I guess, for basic people,
Nick VinZant 53:58
I think he was in Apocalypse Now, yes, there you go. I can't think of any what, the what, but I the movie that I would say, has the worst movie scene in cinema history gone in 60 seconds? The worst movie scene in cinema history is when Nicholas Cage puts on that jacket. Oh, that is the worst movie scene that I have ever seen in my life.
John Shull 54:22
I mean, that's not even close to being that's, I don't think there's a top 50
Nick VinZant 54:26
I felt embarrassed. I felt embarrassed seeing that. That was the cringiest thing that I've ever seen from a guy who has made a living off of doing cringiest thing he does like crap, and then comes back and does amazing, and then does crap, and then does amazing.
John Shull 54:42
So he's, I was, I wanted to look he's in something that's coming up where I'm like, What the hell are you doing? Like, you are an A list actor. Why are you doing this?
Nick VinZant 54:51
Like, well, he's just, he likes to do it, man. He lives for the crap, and he'll take anything they put on his life. He must owe somebody some money. Oh, that's. What my rant was going to be about. I didn't, I do not about James Van Der Beek. James Van Der Beek thing, right? Like, I don't think that we should ever confuse being amoral with being smart. It's not really smart to just manipulate people and lie about everything. It just takes no moral character, sure. Like, I don't like when those two things get confused. Like, oh, he's smart about it. No, it's just not having any morals or decency. I'm not saying that. That's what James Vanderbeek said. I'm just saying that in relation to other things, do you feel better?
John Shull 55:33
I do. Do you want to go on to something that'll make us happy now? All right, yes, do it? What is it a top five?
Nick VinZant 55:42
Oh, right, right, right. So our top five is top five drink flavors. We're talking about. Like, I don't know what we're talking about. Let's just see where this goes. I know what mine are. I love flavored drinks. Oh, give me a flavored drink.
John Shull 55:58
So you're I already know you're gonna hate my list, but
Nick VinZant 56:02
I'm noxious and pretentious.
John Shull 56:05
No, it's just, it's pretty basic, and you're gonna ask questions. I'm not gonna have answers to those questions. For instance, my number five on my top flavor list is simply just red pop.
Nick VinZant 56:18
I like it's not a flavor, well, Red Pop, it's a flavor. But what's the flavor? The flavor is just flavored.
John Shull 56:29
Red Pop, yeah, it's just red. It's just, I don't know. It's just a it's like a mix of a bunch of stuff,
Nick VinZant 56:36
okay, but this, we're not talking about like Gatorade or Powerade, where you refer to the colors by like you. This isn't Gatorade or Powerade, where you refer to it by the color.
John Shull 56:46
Fine. Then, like, here, I just looked it up. It's okay. Just, just to make it easy, my number five flavor is strawberry.
Nick VinZant 56:55
Oh, okay, yeah, there. Why couldn't you just say that? Why'd you just say red pop? Because it could be, but it's not red pop. It's not the flavor is not red. It's like, cherry or strawberry or watermelon or fruit punch. It's not just red. This isn't Gatorade or Powerade. That only counts for those two. It's like, I'll get the blue
John Shull 57:14
one. Strawberry is my number five.
Nick VinZant 57:17
Thank you. My number five is mango. It's really hard to go wrong with some kind of exotic fruits and drinks. Yeah, mangoes. One of them is, mango is good.
Speaker 1 57:28
No, it's just no. Mangoes terrible.
Nick VinZant 57:31
It's objectively wrong. No, it's not. It's delicious.
Speaker 1 57:34
Mangoes, amazing. Say that, and my number four is coconut.
Nick VinZant 57:37
So, oh, coconut, I find to be disgusting. But ironically, my number four is cucumber. There's one flavor of like, Gatorade or Powerade that has cucumber in it, and it's really good. It's the best one. It's refreshing.
John Shull 57:55
It's good. It is. I mean, I'm so my number three, I put on there because it's refreshing and it's lemon, lime.
Nick VinZant 58:04
Oh, I don't find either one of those flavors to be refreshing. Find them to be too harsh and distasteful.
John Shull 58:11
I like the tartness and I like the sweetness. It's a good mixture or separate. They're good separate too.
Nick VinZant 58:16
Mine, my number three is pineapple. I would put pineapple higher, higher, but it's hard to find. Not everybody makes a pineapple. I remember the first time I had pineapple juice. Still remember it. It's incredible.
John Shull 58:29
I mean, it's good, but, like, pineapple is kind of like mango to me. Like I can only have so much of it. It's good in small doses, but like to drink it a lot. I just, I can't do it.
Nick VinZant 58:41
I could agree with that. If someone else said,
John Shull 58:44
since you said it, it doesn't matter, because I say, is that what you're saying exactly. So my number two is, like, Blueberry, raspberry.
Nick VinZant 58:55
Oh, I don't like that. I generally don't like a color mixed with a flavor, okay? Black Cherry, blue raspberry, black cherries. I mean, any of those, I don't delicious. Yeah, I don't like mixing colors with fruits. It's not a good flavor combination for me. Like, I don't know, you know that my number two is strawberry. Okay? Strawberry is great. I'd take a strawberry. I'd much rather have a strawberry than a cherry.
John Shull 59:23
I really hope our number one isn't the same
Nick VinZant 59:27
it might be. I mean, it is the ultimate flavor of drink.
John Shull 59:30
Okay, on the count of three, let's say them together. 1122, cherry. Oh, no, fruit. Oh shit, my Google picked up. Yeah, cherry man, why did you Google pick that up? Because I was trying to, were you looking? I was trying to Google something and looking what color was in blue Gatorade. And it was Blueberry, raspberry.
Nick VinZant 1:00:01
Oh, it is, yeah, I don't like mixing colors and flavors. Fruit Punch is the ultimate. I have no idea what is all constitutes fruit punch, but it's amazing. It's delicious, good.
John Shull 1:00:14
I mean, like, or like, I'm surprised neither of us had orange juice on there. Like, orange,
Nick VinZant 1:00:19
oh no, I would actually go strongly against both orange and grape. Orange grape and lime. Get that out of here. I don't like those flavors. White Grape. White Grape might be the only exception to my color fruit.
John Shull 1:00:33
So you know how you call me pretentious. This is gonna sound even more pretentious, okay? Because I don't I when I drink water. I if I'm able, I'll put like a splash of lime or lemon juice in it.
Nick VinZant 1:00:49
I don't really think I drink just plain water at all.
John Shull 1:00:52
Oh, all right, so Okay, so maybe I don't sound that pretentious,
Nick VinZant 1:00:56
except at night, like at night, I'm gonna have a glass of water by the bed stand or night stand, or whatever they call it. Now, what's going on at your house? I hear all this beeping
John Shull 1:01:08
that might have been the dryer. I'm not sure I didn't hear it, but I have my check the app. No, still mad? You should be mad. You want to talk about once again, you have proven to be the old man in this episode. No technology.
Nick VinZant 1:01:27
Adapt to technology I'm not going to use. Spend my time looking at the app when I could just walk down the stairs.
John Shull 1:01:35
Yeah, but it's not. You're still gonna have to walk down regardless This is being more efficient.
Nick VinZant 1:01:41
Or you could just be like, Hey, I started this load of laundry at 10 o'clock. It says 48 minutes on the washer. I'll come back at like, 11.
John Shull 1:01:48
I mean, yeah, maybe ain't no one got time for that.
Nick VinZant 1:01:52
God, I am going to go old man this episode. I'm really concerned about the future. I think that we're going to just become we're just going to be brainless. We're gonna lose our abilities to like, move we're just gonna it's gonna be like, Wally, we're gonna be on the axiom. I'm really, actually wondering what's gonna happen with us. Because if you don't lose use it, you lose it, man,
John Shull 1:02:11
I told you today that this podcast is older than both my children. That's how old we are.
Nick VinZant 1:02:16
Well, let's, do you have anything in your honor?
John Shull 1:02:22
I've only missed one. Man, I've only missed one episode, and it was the week my first
Nick VinZant 1:02:26
No, I think you missed two. I think it was two. Is it two?
John Shull 1:02:31
I think it's two. Is it when I had covid and was like, dead? No. Well, anyways, I only remember missing one, but I'm sure you're right, because I'm getting old. No, I mean, I I have some I don't mention, but nothing that I really want to talk about anymore.
Nick VinZant 1:02:52
Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate. It really helps us out and let us know what you think is the best fruity drink. Not talking about juices, but fruit drink flavor, fruit punch. There's a reason everybody makes fruit punch. That's all I'm saying. You.