If you want to win gold in Artistic Swimming at the Paris 2024 Olympics, everything has to be perfect. That’s why Artistic Swimmer Kenzie Priddell and the rest of Team Canada will rehearse their routines hundreds of times before the games start. Making sure that from head to toe, everyone is perfectly in sync. We talk the unseen difficulty of Artistic Swimming (formerly known as Synchronized Swimming), passing out underwater and Paris 2024. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Most Annoying Public Behaviors.
Olympian Kenzie Priddell: 01:19
Pointless: 28:12
Top 5: 46:01
Interview with Artistic Swimming Olympian Kenzie Priddell
Nick VinZant 0:12
Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick vinzant Coming up in this episode artistic synchronized swimming and bad public behavior. You're
Kenzie Priddell 0:23
gasping for air, you're trying to you feel it everywhere in your body. There's been many times where you think like, oh my goodness, am I gonna pass out here? Get the six, seven, and it's like, what are you talking about? Like a normal person would be like, Why are we saying random numbers? Why are we saying our five, our six? It's our six, or six or seven or five or six. If I know anything in my life, it's I want to be an Olympian. I want to be at this level.
Nick VinZant 0:46
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate. It really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guest, because right now she's getting ready for the Paris 2024, Olympics. This is artistic swimming, sometimes known as synchronized swimming. Olympian Kenzie Pradel, is this as hard as it looks, because every time I see it on TV, I'm like, wow, that looks hard.
Kenzie Priddell 1:26
No, it's definitely way harder than it looks. Something that we, you know, aim to do is to have that performance, the making it look easy. Oh, we're just lightly treading water and going upside down, doing things with our arms. It looks very like anyone could do it, but in real life, there's so much going on underwater, like with each part of our body. We're like we're upside down. We hold ourselves through sculling, so with our hands, with our hand movements, so we have things going on with our arms while we're upside down, doing things with our legs. We're counting, we're looking around, adjusting to each other, listening to the music, and it is a sport, so it is quite
Nick VinZant 2:06
difficult. At the end of a routine, are you just dying? Yeah, if
Kenzie Priddell 2:10
I'm gonna be honest, throughout the whole routine, and then the second you finish, you're gasping for air. You're trying to keep your calm sort of thing while you swim off like but you feel it everywhere in your body. There's been many times where you think like, oh my goodness, am I gonna pass out here? No, like, you're not, but it's kind of that it's always in your brain.
Nick VinZant 2:31
How do you know where to be? Because I would think like, okay, you've got to be in this precise formation, but there's no reference point in the water. So like, how do you know the timing, where to be, that kind of stuff.
Kenzie Priddell 2:43
All I can say is, it's very, very precise, and it's hard because like, you can like, you just said you can't really like, see anything like. First of all, when we compete, we don't have goggles on. So if you go underwater and open your eyes, it's blurry to begin with. So it's you have to have good body awareness. But when we're spinning and we're going through the routine, first of all, we're looking at the people around us like we have different formations. Sometimes you have to be right behind someone. Sometimes you move to the side, then you come back. So a lot of it is like awareness of where my teammates are. How close am I to them? I see them moving, okay? I know I need to be to the right like that. But also sometimes, if you're at the front, you're not going to see your teammates as much. So then you're really looking at your walls, like we do a lot of spinning. So it's a lot of like, checking, okay, I'm at this wall, turn this wall, this wall, like you have to just be focused on what you're looking at under there. But it definitely gets sometimes disorienting, and especially when you're tired and there's a lot of spinning going on, it's like sometimes it does get a little confusing, but then you just have to adapt to it and trust your body and when you come up, just constantly adjusting.
Nick VinZant 3:53
How did people get into it? How did you get into it?
Kenzie Priddell 3:57
Well, I grew up with a backyard pool, so I always loved swimming, and we did it as a family all the time. And then in grade four or five, I got like, a see it, try it, pamphlet brought to my school. So we just went to give it a shot, and I started in the rec program. And I just really remember, like, loving being in the water. I like that. It's super artistic, like it's like a dance kind of performing. It's fun, but also it's so technical. And I liked, like learning all the positions and setting goals for myself individually, but also coming together as a team and just being with your teammates. And I just had a lot of fun. From the beginning, I just remember liking the sport and wanting to see how far I could go in it. Do
Nick VinZant 4:43
most people who do it? Do they come from other sports or no, you start in sync or in artistic swimming, and you stay in artistic swimming.
Kenzie Priddell 4:52
It's more of a you start when you're young, and you have to, you don't have to, but you continue for someone to start at, I. Know, say, older, 15 or in your 20s. It's really hard, because it's so much body awareness and just getting used to being in the water, holding yourself in the water, and then what am I doing with my hands so I can spin, so I can be high, like you want your legs to be high to the water. And it's just a sport, like any sport, but it just takes a lot of years and a lot of time. So how
Nick VinZant 5:21
do you throw somebody in the air, out of water? Like I don't that blows my mind. And it's not just a little bit like people are doing flips. How do you do that?
Kenzie Priddell 5:30
First of all, a lot of people think we're pushing off the bottom of the pool. So just want to clear that up. We are not touching the water the bottom ever. We're in a pretty deep pool. So there's different formations. Like, sometimes we do something where there's like a base person, and then someone's on top, standing on your shoulders, and then we have all the girls, kind of like holding the bases feet and like pushing their bum. And we all push at one time. And we can do a stand at the person on the shoulders will stand up and, like, maybe put her leg in the air, or we turn, we'll do a 360 that's more like the stable highlights. But if we're doing the throws, it's kind of like in cheerleading. We call it the bunk in or the basket. But like in cheerleading, you can see, like, two girls just like, grabbing hands like this, and you have feet underneath you, and the person's on top, and you're all just, like, connected, rising together, like, with the momentum. And then really, like, strongly you throw and the girl has to jump and, like, feel the momentum from underwater, and just does what she does in the air. So it's, uh, yeah, it's a huge team effort. It's very intricate. And like, it takes really good timing if people aren't pushing full force at the same time. Like, it's not going to work to the best of your ability, it looks like the fun, like, exciting thing, but it's something that's really hard to do. And like, it takes a lot of focus and practice. I mean,
Nick VinZant 6:57
I've been watching the Olympics for long enough, right? Like, three decades is the throwing a recent thing. I don't remember that when I was like a kid. It's
Kenzie Priddell 7:06
like before we only had two programs, the technical program and the free program, and there would be a couple highlights, like probably two to six in each of them. But now we have a third program called the acrobatic routine, and that one's really just based on your acrobatics. So there'll be seven acros that we do. They're all different kinds. And like, that's where we see more throwing and different like, sometimes we have a platform where it's basically like one or two girls on the surface, everybody holding them up, and then someone like, standing on top doing things. We have rotations going on, like everything's evolved so much. So definitely at this Olympics, you're gonna see a lot more highlights, and people in the air, people doing lots of flexibility, lots of stuff.
Nick VinZant 7:54
So how is it judged?
Kenzie Priddell 7:56
There's three aspects to it. There's artistic impression, which you're interacting with, the judges, with the audience. It's your facial expressions, like you're telling a story with whatever your routine theme is, like you're trying to pull everybody in and tell your story. That's the artistic impression that's being judged. Then we have execution, which is just like, how well your routines executed, how high you are. You are, you want to be high out of the water, how your line is, like, a lot of times we're doing rotations, and you want to have a strong core and, like, keep stable, I guess, like, sometimes if you're falling over, you're going to get less of a execution score. And then the last thing, which is a new, it's a change to our sport is the difficulty, because right now, we have changed the whole difficulty system, where every time you're underwater, you have to declare your difficulty for your hybrid is what it's called when you're underwater, so like each movement you do has a different difficulty, and we're basically just doing as much as we Can to get the highest difficulty score, and it's a competition between the countries. Like, how, how difficult can my routine be? Like,
Nick VinZant 9:07
where do teams usually separate themselves? Like, okay, first place is this? Second place is this? Like, what's usually the reason where a team is gonna stand out in those different categories or lose it in certain categories?
Kenzie Priddell 9:22
Well, you'll gain points, like being super synchronized with your team. Really like engaging the audience, explosiveness, face, like your faces, like your movements, having energy, all that, being high like again, the higher you throw someone, the higher your legs out of the water, your egg beater, like, where the water level is. If you're tired and by your chin the whole time, you're not gonna really show what you're capable of. But if you're confident and explosive, and I'm this high out of the water, like, that's where you're gaining points, losing points, it's kind of the same. Same thing, like, you know, if you're lower in the water, less points, but also for the difficulty, if you're supposed to complete, like, a 360 and instead, you do a little bit short, like you're gonna lose a bunch of points there. And the angles of your legs, if you're supposed to put it out at a 30 degree angle and hold a 30 degree angle, but you accidentally put it out, come a little bit too vertical, and go back to the 30, you're gonna lose the points there too. So it's just like, it's quite Yeah, it's quite easy to kind of see the differences there. I guess, if that makes sense, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, anyway, like, we'll stand out if you do a mistake sort of thing, that's where it will be a big difference. Okay, not a mistake, but like, yeah, yeah. If you're if you miss a movement, or if something isn't the way you'd like it to go, and they catch it, that's where it will be, like, Oh, someone was going to be placed third, and now they're all of a sudden in eighth. Like, it's quite dramatic.
Nick VinZant 11:02
So How popular is it? It's
Kenzie Priddell 11:04
hard because, like, I know that it's not super popular. A lot of people have questions about it and haven't really heard about it. But also, at the Olympics, I would say it's a pretty well watched event. Like, I think the tickets are normally pretty sold out, which may surprise people, but just in general, I don't think it's I think it could be more popular, for sure.
Nick VinZant 11:27
I feel like you can say that about all the Olympic sports, though, like, I love the 100 meter dash, but I only watch it at the Olympics. Like it's, it's the Olympics, right? Like, you watch it then. I think there's a lot of sports that you kind of only tune in at those times. Why do you think, though? Why? Why isn't it more popular? Like, what do you think that it needs, or that it isn't like? Why isn't it more popular?
Kenzie Priddell 11:53
I'm not sure that's I guess it's a hard question. I feel like, I think it just maybe needs to be like, spoken about more. Like, there's so many questions around it. People don't really know what's going on a lot of the time. Like, are you touching the bottom? Like, how do you listen to the music underwater? I always have so many questions like, how do you guys stay together? It's like, we have an underwater speaker. We hear the music we're counting. Like, I just don't think there's that much like knowledge about it. So I think, just like, the more you can what's the word, yeah, like, promote the sport, and just like the more people see it and hear about it, I think that will definitely bring the awareness of for
Nick VinZant 12:33
some harder slash, listener submitted questions, sure, how long can you hold your breath? Some of
Kenzie Priddell 12:38
us can hold our breath for four minutes. Myself, personally, I don't think I could go over a minute and a half or two minutes, but it's what happens. Is, when we're swimming, we'll be underwater for maybe 15 to 35 seconds at a time, moving, sculling, like a lot's happening underwater. Then we come up and we're only breathing for sometimes four seconds, maybe, maybe you get eight seconds, and sometimes it's only a second, like a breath, and then you go back under it for maybe another 10 to 20 seconds, like, that's your whole four minute routine is okay? I'm underwater. It's not that long, like it's only 2030 seconds, maybe less. Some people, everyone, can hold their breath for 20 seconds, I'm sure. But then when you're moving and you come up, and you only get like, two or three seconds to recover, and you go back under for another 20 seconds, that's where it gets, like, really difficult, because after a minute of that, yeah, your body is pretty fatigued. So,
Nick VinZant 13:35
so like, how long is your average routine?
Kenzie Priddell 13:38
I would say, like, around three minutes. So
Nick VinZant 13:43
then, when into that would you be like, out of breath? Yeah,
Kenzie Priddell 13:47
it depends. But sometimes it's like 30 seconds in. Like, it just depends on the layout of your routine. Like, Kate, I'm now out of breath already at the beginning, because, for example, our program right now, we come up, you start the routine. It's been like 10 seconds, probably not, probably like eight seconds. You go underwater for 25 seconds. I come up now it's only been just over 30 seconds, but I'm gasping for air.
Nick VinZant 14:12
So from like, start to finish, day one routine is introduced. How long does it take before you got like, Okay, we got this
Kenzie Priddell 14:20
a long time, like, it's, I don't even know, okay, well before, we used to really train our routines for years, like, Sure, not maybe not years, but like months before you compete now with the new rules, like, everybody's making their routine more difficult, you have a competition. You redo everything, you change things you're trying to make more difficult, because every country is going up and you want to keep up with everyone. I know we kind of already touched on this, but it's like out of the water, your expression, your angles of your arm, your precision of your hands, like, Are my hands open? Are they closed? Is my wrist flexed? Or is it straight? Eight. Same with your legs. Like, what exact angle? What are my toes doing? Sometimes they're pointed, they're flexed. Sometimes they're like, You go Point, flex, like you're switching it every half a second. Then you're moving in between people and the teams, like, I am in line with someone I'm not we move, we come back. But at the same time, the whole team's moving down the pool, like, and then you have your sculling, and it is hard to Skull sometimes when you have someone so close to you, because we have to have our patterns small, like, you get more points. Also, if you're close, if you're taking up a lot of space, it doesn't look as powerful. And so
Nick VinZant 15:33
I would imagine, like, would you say you've done your routine by the time you perform it in front of judges? Like, hundreds of times, there's
Kenzie Priddell 15:40
the whole routine you've probably done. Yeah, over like, right now we're at like, 250 times, let's say not of one routine, but our three routines. So like, yes, it's been hundreds of times. But you also have all the little, like, when you warm up, you don't just get in and do your whole routine, and that's it. Like, you get in, you warm up sections of your routine, you work on things, then you do your whole routine. So you've also done all these reps on the side. That's
Nick VinZant 16:09
crazy. Do you dream about it like I
Kenzie Priddell 16:13
used to, like, whenever I got stressed, I had multiple dreams in a row of, like, my coaches, or the synchro dream where, like, you get in the water and you don't remember the routine, and you're just like, I don't like, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just in the middle, upside down, looking around, and I'm letting my team down. Like, of course, everybody's had the synchro nightmare dreams, and yeah, it's when it's your life, it's all you do. It comes in once, once in a while. Do
Nick VinZant 16:42
people ever just blank on the routine? Like, when you get it down this, does it ever just, like, I just completely forgot what I was supposed to do here? Oh,
Kenzie Priddell 16:51
for sure, for sure. Like, sometimes you're so focused on fixing one thing that your coach just told you that, oh my goodness. Like I just missed a count. I'm late for something, or I did the wrong leg, or, like, you blank, like, for sure that happens. Sometimes you're just, you just gotta move forward and, you know, trust that it won't happen again. But we've all been there too. So when that happens, it's just, like, it's just a fluke, you know, a brain fart, not a big deal. Um,
Nick VinZant 17:19
this one, what is your favorite piece of artistic swimming lingo?
Kenzie Priddell 17:25
I guess it's just what I think is funny with the sport is like, all the time when we're trying to be on the same page, like, when we'll just be like, oh the r7 or Oh yeah, count eight, yeah. Like do 567, like, do six seven, get the six seven. And it's like, what are you talking about? Like, a normal person would be like, Why are we saying random numbers? Why are we saying r5 r6 it's r6 r6 r7 r5 r6 What are you talking about? So, like, again, you know, it's a language. Like, I always think it's funny, because I'm like, I just say, yeah, guys, it's six seven. Like, get the six seven. Well, it's the count six, the count seven. That means, think about where your arm or your leg position is in that exact count. But the counts are the whole routine. You're constantly counting an eight. So it's like, what six seven is this? But we just know what we're talking about. But, yeah, I think it's pretty, pretty interesting. Okay, so
Nick VinZant 18:15
this is
Kenzie Priddell 18:16
so, as you'll notice, lights are off here, like we're walking on stage. We're behind there. It's like, quite like, it's a beautiful moment, because you're like, Oh my goodness. Like, I'm gonna go do my Olympic qualifier performance here. Like, lights are off, you have all the jitters. Like, it's emotional here, I'm right front, left, right now. This is our walk on. So even before we're in the water, we're judged. We want to be like, super artistic and, like, get the crowd ready, sort of thing. But like, just, you can see there's a whole walk we have counts to everything going on even before we dive in, which is sometimes more stressful than the actual swim, because we don't practice it as much.
Nick VinZant 18:56
So you're all just kind of figuring out, like,
Kenzie Priddell 18:59
I'm actually at the very, very front, the girl that's like, looking back at the team. Because what happens is we dive in. Our music hasn't started yet, like we have. First of all, we have 30 seconds from when we start walking up the stage to when the music starts. So you have to be a little bit aware of, like, how much time you're spending getting into the pool. But it has to be a show from the start. So we just dove in. Now I'm looking behind for the team, and I'm gonna start like, I'm gonna like, start like, banging or tapping like this, and in my okay, this is like, another, just fun fact about Synchro. Like, sometimes we communicate the counts, like, by beeping, we call it, which I'm gonna try to do it. I don't know if you're gonna be able to hear, but it's like, this noise underwater. So, like, we dive in, I'm looking, and then I'm gonna cue the team. Like, okay, ready, 13571, and we surface. And then we, like, do our, finish our choreography, and then we all pause and wait for the music to start. But it's like, you know, like, there's just. It's, I don't, yeah, because I didn't really explain that to somebody, but it's kind of funny, because, yeah, we don't have music. We're just connecting, communicating, come finish our entrance, and then the music starts after this.
Nick VinZant 20:13
The only thing I thought, thought of was, like, it's like whales communicating underwater, right? Like, just through sounds and hand gestures.
Kenzie Priddell 20:20
I know it's quite funny, honestly, once
Nick VinZant 20:23
the music starts, is it all based around the music, or are you still kind of making noises
Kenzie Priddell 20:30
and gesturing? No, no, no. Like, we only do the noises if, like, we don't have the music, and then we're training, and we go underwater, someone's counting the beat underwater, just so we can still practice if we don't have music, or if we want to just try something like in competition, you don't always have the music. There's lots of countries, but when the music comes on, you're listening to the music, you're counting the music. But like, you can still somebody like, sometimes you're still gonna bang or tap something if you need to, if that part of music is hard to count, sometimes somebody will give like a like, it's here sort of thing. Like, there's stuff communication going and even when we're swimming, we talk to each other sometimes, maybe not in the actual competition swims, but every day in practice, there's always someone like, All right, let's go like a reminder, like, smile here. Okay, not smile here. But you know, think about this count squeeze the pattern like somebody shouting out something, just to keep the communication so we can have, like, our best swim. So there's we communicate throughout. I would say, that's cool. So now this is our first this is a acro or highlight, so we're all under there holding, and then you can see she has her flexibility. This is our arms just above the water, and then, yeah, you can see all of our like, legs moving in sync, which is cool. Now we're under here. It's all about the rotations. Like you have to hit one wall the next wall, you have to a 360 like it's that you have to finish on the wall. You can't come down on a corner, if that makes sense. Like, if you're doing a 360 it's a 360 so there's people like, you can see the judges behind us, but there's people watching to make sure we complete the 360 and then you can see, like, we have different patterns, like we're moving through formation, you have to be a certain distance from your partner, like, even we're about to do a this element here, like you need to be close, but not too close, because if you hit each other, you get thrown around, kind of so it's, it's really about the spacing. It's cool to see the underwater view, though. I'm happy to do that, like, for like, when we have competitions, you always have the underwater camera, like moving underneath. And then when you look up to the ceiling, there's always, like, a drone or something above you, too. So sometimes it's a bit distracting, because you like, lay it on your back, you can see something ahead of you filming you. Like, when we walk on stage, you see a camera this close to your face, like, but it's fun for the audience to see everything that's going on. But so
Nick VinZant 22:55
like, through here, where are you? You're just focused on this person next to you,
Kenzie Priddell 23:00
I'm just focused on counting, remembering the routine, like not remembering, but like remembering my corrections. Like you're counting the music. You're thinking about what I need to do with my body. You're also thinking about how close I am to someone. You're looking at the walls like, and then we have all these corrections, you know, like, I need to use my core here. I need to push my legs a little bit like two degrees on my front, like there's all these corrections that you are trying to put in while you're swimming. So it's like a bounce between cam calm. But also I'm enjoying my experience, but I'm also thinking about all my corrections and things I need to do to have that ideal swim. Every time we go underwater, we're coming to, like, the last bit here, but like, every time we're underwater, it's kind of like a lot of pressure, because it's like, you know, we want to keep our difficulty. So like, for example, here we go, like, you're thinking, you're tired, you're holding your breath, but like, it's a lot of not stress, but like you're not like, Yeah, I'm having so much fun. Like you're thinking about what you're doing, like you want to nail it so, like, a lot's happening underwater. When you're above the surface, I feel like it's more I'm looking at the judge. I'm enjoying I'm proud of myself. I look at my team beside me. I connect with them. And like you're super like, I like to be proud enjoying above, and then when I'm underwater, it's more like focused, like Kate, I need to do this, like, I think about what's happening. But for the acrobatic routine, there's not really, like the upside down stuff as much. It's more a lot of acrobatics. Which are these highlights you see? Which obviously it's more pressure for like the people on top and like the people underwater. Like, we all need to be connected, and we need to work together so we can do the highlight properly because they're risky, like, you need to be focused, but at the same time, like, our accuracy is, like, hip hop themed, and it's super fun music and, like, that's the most fun routine I've ever swam. Whenever we compete, like I'm looking at the judges, I'm like. Them attitude, like, watch me, sort of thing. So that one is definitely one that we're having a lot of fun in. And these ones, you're still having fun. You're just, you know, you're just focused. Are
Nick VinZant 25:11
you excited about 2024 like, what's it like getting ready for the Olympics? Like, I'm going to the Olympics.
Kenzie Priddell 25:19
It's, it's it's crazy, like the whole experience is just like, first of all, it's like a dream, like, this is something you maybe had in your head. Like, for me, I knew, like, in my heart, like, I want to be an Olympian. I want to go to the Olympics. But it was kind of scary, because it's like, Am I really gonna get that goal? I don't know. Like, I'm 12 years old, like, I'm not that good. I don't think who knows, but it was always this feeling in my heart like no like, if I know anything in my life, it's I want to be an Olympian. I want to be at this level. I might not know what I want to do for my career. I don't know how I feel about other things, but I know that I want to be this Olympian. So to be here, and like most people on our team, like, this is a dream we've had for years. Like, we didn't just get to this point, you know, like, it's been 10 years, 15 years, maybe even 20 years of like, hard work and just trying to get here. So now we're here. It's like, there's no words that really describe it, because we're just, it's so surreal. It's such a dream.
Nick VinZant 26:17
Yeah, that would be the one thing I wondered, right? Like, can you enjoy it? Are you just so focused in
Kenzie Priddell 26:24
it surprises me that you think that, because I feel like most people are like, Oh, of course, like, it must be a dream. It's, you know, like you're enjoying everything, but yeah, like, it's hard, like sometimes you're just so focused on, like, wanting to make improvements and wanting to be perfect, that it is like, you have to take a step back and be like, Let's enjoy this, which I've been like, very like me and my team, like we've all spoken like, yes, we want to enjoy this process. Like, this is a once, maybe twice. Maybe some people go three or four times to the Olympics, but you know, like, it's something that you've worked for, and you just, you just, you just want to be proud. You just want to enjoy it. So I definitely remind myself, like, if something's a little bit off one day, or it's you're struggling to do something properly, it's like, you know it's okay, it's going to come together. You just want to enjoy where you are. And it's not just like our team, it's Team Canada, it's every sport, everybody that got to this level, all wearing like the same uniform and representing Canada, but then being with all the countries too, all the best of the best that have worked and dreamed for this. So it's like, yeah, it's exciting. I just want to soak up every minute.
Nick VinZant 27:34
I want to thank Kenzie so much for joining us. If you want to connect with her, we have linked to her on our social media sites. We're profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included her information in the episode description. And if you want to see some of the things that we're talking about, because I think this is a sport that, once you see it and know what's going on, it becomes so much more impressive. But if you want to see more of this interview, the YouTube version will be live on June 27 at 12:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of the show. If you go over to somebody else's house, what appliance do you generally have the most trouble with? I
John Shull 28:25
would want nothing to do with somebody's like, you know, dishwasher or washing machines or dryer.
Nick VinZant 28:32
I can usually figure out the stove pretty well, and I can figure out the shower pretty well, but it takes me forever, like, I don't understand the settings onto somebody else's microwave.
John Shull 28:43
I don't know why anyone would struggle with a microwave. There's usually a knob or buttons, and you put in the time and press start, like it's it's not confusing to me. Showers, you make up, you bring up a good point about the shower. Shower might actually be it for me, Showers. Showers can be a little tricky if you don't know, you know, if you're not familiar with whatever one you're using,
Nick VinZant 29:06
see, the way that you feel about the microwave is the way that I feel about the shower. I feel like it's a shower. You pull out the thing and turn it to the temperature like they all work the same. Microwaves can have different power levels. They can have different settings. If you're going to use defrost, I think a microwave is much more complicated than a shower,
John Shull 29:25
so, but some showers have, like, you know, the knob at the bottom on the spigot where you have to, like, pull that up to get it going, or, or some of the older ones, you have to pull it, like, down out of the head itself. Like, it's just, can be kind of, kind of difficult. I
Nick VinZant 29:39
did once stay in a place that had the shower where you had to, like, pull the knob down out of the faucet. Didn't know about that, and it's to it probably we had to call somebody. We had to, like, Call someone like, how does this thing work? Because I had never run into that before, I want to say it might have been two hours for us to figure out how to get that shower working. Yeah.
John Shull 30:00
I think this is more of a rare occurrence, but if there is a bidet on the toilet, I could see a lot of people struggling with that.
Nick VinZant 30:10
I have never used a bidet in my life. I've never used one.
John Shull 30:17
There are some people that preach them as the Bible. I'm okay with it. I mean, I'm not the biggest fan of having a stream of water shoot up my asshole, but that's just, that's just me.
Nick VinZant 30:30
It is kind of weird how we clean ourselves like that. Like, wait a minute, you're just gonna wipe some paper on that. You're just gonna that. That's, you call it good. Like, that's, I don't really feel like that is the best. It's 2024 and the best way we have found to like, clean up after ourselves after going number two is just like, well, wipe it with some paper. Like we don't have anything better. What's going to revolutionize the wiping industry? Anyway, I polled the audience about this question, if you're at home, if you're at a home other than your own, what appliance confuses you the most? What do you think most people said the microwave. Most people said microwave. 35% said microwave. 30% said washer, dryer. 24% said dishwasher. 11% said stove. A stove is pretty standard, like, you're not usually going to have too much trouble with a stove. All right.
John Shull 31:22
Well, let's give some shout outs. Tim wood, Chris, Toledo, maybe one of the worst cities in the country, by the way. Toledo, yeah,
Nick VinZant 31:32
go. You're going to have to hear about that every time. Would you rather be named after a city, a state or a country? I uh,
John Shull 31:44
man, uh, probably a state.
Nick VinZant 31:49
You'd rather be named that like Nebraska or Ohio, Kansas. I think you can be named after a city a lot better than you can be named after a country or a state, because you could be named like Dallas, Austin, I think, I think a city name is going to be better than if you're named after a country like you don't want to be named. What's your name? Uruguay? Like, that's not
John Shull 32:14
Bangladesh. I'd say state like, Hey, my name is Montana, Shoal. There's
Nick VinZant 32:20
a couple of states, but my argument would be that there's more cities that you could be named after. That would go well than states.
John Shull 32:28
Yeah, I mean, I would agree with you on that, but I think states would be better. I don't know that's just my I don't even really have a real reason. That's just my thought. All right, moving on here, before we put everyone to sleep, Sebastian Joy River, Cole Paul scuba rd Hill, James Anderson, Chad Perkins, Joshua Bailey, Brian Viet, And we'll end here on stash. Stevenson,
Nick VinZant 33:02
that's an interesting name. Okay, all
John Shull 33:05
right. Well, figured have some fun with this one here, today, tonight. Okay, so simple, simple topic here, of would you rather? So, oh, okay, give you, give you a couple of scenarios here, whatever, and we'll have a little fun with it. So first one here, very simple, would you rather go to a movie theater or see live music? Live
Nick VinZant 33:29
music? I would rather go see live music, especially now, because why would you want to go pay like, however much you have to pay to go to a movie theater when they're just going to put it out on streaming. Plus, I don't think that there's really that many movies that are like, oh, I need to see that in a theater. I've never been that kind of person. So definitely live music, like you can't, you can't get that somewhere else. Like, I can watch a movie at home. I can't watch it like you can't watch a concert at home. That's not the same thing so easily. Live music.
John Shull 33:56
Do you remember your first concert in your first movie?
Nick VinZant 34:00
My first movie may have been Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Hell yeah, I think I was. I don't remember how old I was, though, but that was my first movie was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. My first concert was PETER BJORN and John with my wife, and I wasn't. I didn't go to my first concert till I was in my almost 30.
John Shull 34:25
Wow. Okay, wasn't
Nick VinZant 34:26
my thing. Wasn't my thing at all, until I met her. What was your first movie in first concert?
John Shull 34:34
Not proud of the concert, but first movie was Jurassic Park. That's a good one when I was six or seven, and I remember that specifically, too, because my mom backed into a pole and it completely caved in the back of her truck at the time when she was picking us up and dropping us off. Wait
Nick VinZant 34:54
a minute, was how hard did she hit the pole? That like a truck shouldn't do that as a truck owner. That she really hit the pole, or was it a crappy truck? I
John Shull 35:02
mean, both, probably both. Okay, that makes more sense. But I think the real question is, what was she doing, dropping off a bunch of six and seven and eight year olds at a movie theater by themselves.
Nick VinZant 35:12
Different time, man. Different time.
John Shull 35:16
In concert, my first concert was Toby Keith.
Nick VinZant 35:20
That's an interest. How old were you?
John Shull 35:22
I was 12 or 13. I had a Toby Keith concert. My dad got tickets through his work, and I went with my mom and my dad and my friend John Collier at the time, and we went and, yeah, saw Toby Keith and
Nick VinZant 35:40
yeah. I mean, so there was your mom, your dad named John. You named John, and your friend named John. So there's three Johns, and your mom in the car,
John Shull 35:47
three Johns, yeah, and my mom all in the car at the same time. Man,
Nick VinZant 35:51
Okay, interesting. First concert is Toby Keith, yeah,
John Shull 35:55
I, I will say this about Jurassic Park. I think I've seen that movie probably more than any other movie I've ever seen. I mean, I've seen Jurassic Park probably 100 plus times.
Nick VinZant 36:07
Man, the only movie that I would say like, Oh, I saw that in a theater, and I'm glad I saw that in a theater, was the Force Awakens any other movie I could care less about. Like, oh, wherever I saw is wherever I saw it. Seeing in a theater doesn't mean anything
John Shull 36:22
to me. Or a few years later, a buddy of mine, his dad, was like, I'm going to take you and and your friend, uh, here John to to go see Saving Private Ryan. Oh, no. I mean, that's the movie serious, the well done movie, whatever. But like, just imagine once again, some nine, we were nine or 10 or 11 the movie that are watching the same as privately to see. Yeah, not the not the movie to see. All right, okay, back to would you rather here? Rather go missing while hiking and be found 10 days later, or be forced to sit and stare at a constant stream of social media for 16 hours a day, for 10 days.
Nick VinZant 37:05
Oh, I'd much rather go missing. I would much rather go missing. Yeah, I couldn't I don't think that I can look at social media like pretty frequently throughout the day. I probably check one of the various things once an hour, but I don't think I could ever be on there for more than five minutes at a time. That's about my limit for any social media platform, is five minutes and like, All right, that's enough of that I couldn't scroll like that for a long time. New,
John Shull 37:35
I mean, I'm gonna sound like an old man here, but I just don't know what's real anymore. Like, I don't know I have, and I'm in the media, by the way, just, just for one but I have found myself falling into that trap a couple of times where I'm like, oh, that might be real, and it's absolutely not real, but just the way it's presented, it just seems so real. I mean, it's tricky out there. It's tricky out there in those streets,
Nick VinZant 38:00
yeah, but yeah, I just, I think there's work with the assumption that everything is kind of fake and you'll probably be okay. Are we fake? Maybe we might not really even exist. We could live in the matrix. We could nothing but computer simulations. It
John Shull 38:15
was kind of weird. My My youngest daughter, the other day I was outside sitting there, and she walks up to me and she goes, Dad, what is Earth? I was like, Oh, that's a that's such a religion question. That's a whole loaded question there, young lady,
Nick VinZant 38:30
I like to enjoy edibles on Friday and Saturday nights, and occasionally Sunday. Actually have two sitting right next to me that I might take as soon as we're done recording this, and just have a good time watching YouTube videos. But like, if you think about anything, it's an it's crazy that all of this is real, like your body is basically just a giant puppet controlled by your brain. Like there's just a brain, there's just a brain in there moving all this around. Like, that's insane to me. Like, wait a minute, all of this, like your hands are just controlled by this one little thing inside of your head, and that dictates everything. You're essentially a giant puppet.
John Shull 39:07
Yeah. So anyways, those those edibles you're taking. Can you pass some? Can you send some over here?
Nick VinZant 39:12
I'll send you some. Also think about the fact that the earth is currently moving through the universe at 65,000 miles an hour, like that's insane. It is in sane to think about that. That was
John Shull 39:25
definitely something that I we, I was trying to tell her about, like, because she was, like, you know, how was the earth round? Like, why aren't I falling off? She's four years old. Like, she's not gonna understand anything. But, man, if you really think about it, like it's, it's pretty incredible, really. Like, it's mind boggling. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 39:44
that's, yeah, it's amazing. It's like, sometimes I do think, like some people who believe in the idea that we live in a matrix or whatever, that this is all virtual reality or whatever. Like, that's one of those things that if I found out that that was true later in life, I wouldn't be like, totally shocked. Be like, Oh, you. Yeah, I can see that.
John Shull 40:03
I mean, we should not talk about it here, but I'm always fascinated by what people think happens when you die. Like, yeah, I like, what happened? They do we reset? Do we go into the matrix? Like, it's all these things, like, no one knows. Or do you just die?
Nick VinZant 40:21
Do you want my, my, my high theory that I came up with yesterday that I was sitting there thinking about
John Shull 40:28
only if you were extremely high. I was
Nick VinZant 40:31
pretty high, and I thought about this. So, okay, so we are essentially made up of matter and energy, and matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed. So in some senses, you have always existed and always will exist like parts of you were around at the beginning of the universe and will be there at the end of the universe. So in some ways, like you never really die, and there are billions upon trillions parts of you from like neutrons and protons and electrons and all this stuff, and you will go and live trillions of other lives throughout the length and breadth of eternity. That's insane, like so you never really die. In some ways, you just go and turn into somebody else, or turn into something else, like you could be a tree. Parts of you will decompose when you die. And you could be used for like a tree, or you could be like a worm's butthole, like you could do all kinds of things and go all kinds of places. You could be part of the space shuttle. Life's crazy, man.
John Shull 41:33
I just so everyone knows Nick nor I are currently under the influence of edibles. But think about
Nick VinZant 41:39
that. Think about the fact that, like, parts of you have existed since the dawn of time and will always exist.
John Shull 41:48
I mean, I don't know. I don't know if I but I don't know if I believe that. I mean, well, it
Nick VinZant 41:53
doesn't matter. It's like, scientifically proven. It's not a matter of belief. It's like two plus two is four. Like you are stardust.
John Shull 42:02
I once again, I don't know if I'm stardust. I mean literally, Cody Rhodes, by the way. WWE, is
Nick VinZant 42:10
he stardust? Whatever happened to gold dust? I thought gold dust was does he now Stardust is gold dust. Stardust, brother,
John Shull 42:17
I'm gonna really blow your mind here. Okay, gold dust and Stardust are brothers in real life.
Nick VinZant 42:26
Oh, yeah, well, that makes sense, yeah, Dustin
John Shull 42:28
Rhodes, Cody Rhodes, both the sons of the American dream. Dusty Rhodes, okay,
Nick VinZant 42:36
all right. Anyways, wait, so wait, was Undertaker Kane's brother, or not really his brother.
John Shull 42:44
I mean, no, he was not his actual brother, but he really he was his brother. He was his brother. I mean, okay, anyways, wow, we just That's five minutes. No one will ever
Nick VinZant 42:56
I take great comfort in that idea that parts of you have always existed and will all exist.
John Shull 43:01
All right. Well, anyways, give me a hot and bother over here. Would you? Would you rather spend the rest of your days alone and happy, yes, or surrounded by family, friends and just be, you know, on the constant go. So you'd rather be alone and happy or busy, but surrounded by your loved ones and possibly just semi happy for the rest of your life.
Nick VinZant 43:32
I'd rather be with my family. I don't think that anybody really wants to be alone, not if they've I do like alone time. How much alone time would you say you need in a day? What percentage of your day you need to be I just need to be alone. Oh,
John Shull 43:53
I mean, I would love four to six hours a day. I don't get that at all. I don't know how sometimes I don't get it at all. I don't get any alone time.
Nick VinZant 44:01
I work from home, so I get a lot more alone time. I probably get four or five hours of just purely alone time a day. No, maybe four. Yeah, maybe three to four. But no, I would much rather be with my family and be happy
John Shull 44:17
I don't, I don't, I don't know, and I would love it, hmm,
Nick VinZant 44:24
I would wonder I would be and like, Look, I'm not trying to judge here, but I would wonder, how many people, what percentage of people would say that they would be, would be truly happy alone, like they really don't need anybody, Not that they haven't, kind of found anybody, or that they're just most people they don't like, but just like no, I know people that I like and want to spend time with, and I would rather be alone.
John Shull 44:52
I mean, where my kids are all grown, and say my wife finds another man, which she probably will. I already have. Has or already has, I would be very happy being by myself. I think no questions asked,
Nick VinZant 45:07
hmm, I need at least two hours a day around other people. Other than that, I'm fine,
John Shull 45:16
but I would say, I love my family. I love my kids. I wouldn't trade it for the world, but someone was would come if someone was to come to me and be like, in 15 years, you can just be alone and live out the rest of your days and just to be happy alone. I probably think about it.
Nick VinZant 45:33
I'm okay alone. I can spend a lot of time alone, but I've never spent a massive amount of time, like, I've never spent, like, a week, just completely isolated from other people.
John Shull 45:46
I haven't been No, I haven't either. But I mean, other than work and, well, I guess texting counts as social. I don't know. It's never gonna happen. It was just a theoretical question. Never
Nick VinZant 45:57
you live in, you live in a society, man, is that your is that all? Is that all you got more, that's it. Man, uh, okay, so our top five is top five public behaviors that annoy you. Is that what it is? What is our top five? Oh, worst top five. Worst top five, worst public behaviors. So things that people do in public that really bother you. What's your number five?
John Shull 46:26
You know, the older I'm getting this one is just, I just don't get it. And that's people who are extremely early and then just hang around and I it's a public behavior, because they're just there, and you're like, why are you there? You know your shift doesn't start for another four hours. Or, like, Grandma, you know, don't need you over here right now, doing what you're doing, like, come over in two hours, like you said you would just it's so showing up early public behavior that's just annoying, extremely early.
Nick VinZant 47:07
I do wonder if being on time is rude. I think in some places, being on time is almost rude, like you. No, no, no, especially with family. Family says, Come over at five o'clock. That doesn't mean actually be there. At five o'clock. I mean, just be there to like, six o'clock.
John Shull 47:23
I'm okay with being punctual. I'm okay with even being a little early. But it's, you know, it's the idea of getting somewhere hours ahead of time, or just showing up, you know, and just assuming that you know you're welcomed, or this or that. It just just annoying to me. I
Nick VinZant 47:43
think what this shows is your lack of preparation. I think this shows your lack of preparation. The reason that you don't like it when people are early is because you're not ready. If you were ready, you wouldn't care if they were early and you're not ready.
John Shull 47:56
Guess what? I'm always ready. Always ready. Were you
Nick VinZant 48:00
ready when you tried to catch that baseball and toy your calf? Were you ready when you hurt your back picking up dog poof in the backyard?
John Shull 48:07
I still regret calling the guy a go fucker before I threw the pitch. That's what screwed me. That's
Nick VinZant 48:13
yeah, dude, I never do that. I never try to call down the thunder. If I'm ever winning at something or trying to do well at something. I don't say a damn word, no word. Like, if I was a professional fighter and they got to like, are you gonna kick his ass? I'd be like, Well, I don't know. Maybe I wouldn't call down the thunder.
John Shull 48:33
His triceps are nice looking. He's kind of in shape.
Nick VinZant 48:37
I don't know. He's pretty tough. Like, I would be the worst professional fighter, because I would not say anything. Like, I'm gonna, are you gonna kick his I'm gonna kick your ass? Like, well, you might. I'm just hoping to have a good fight. Like, I'd be a terrible professional fighter, because there'll be no bravado whatsoever.
John Shull 48:53
Yeah. I mean, listen, I could go on a rant about professional fighting. I'm not going to, but,
Nick VinZant 48:58
yeah, sell fights. My number five is people who don't control their dogs. I'm a dog person. I have dog. I have a dog. I like dogs, but I've noticed that people are not controlling their dogs very well. Like, look, not everybody wants your dog to come up. Everybody wants to meet your dog. Like, you need to control your dog when you're around people. And part of this is because I have two kids and like, I don't think that adults realize how big a dog is to kids and like, they don't like that. I don't like it when people I don't like it when people don't control their dogs, and people who walk their dogs without a leash in public, that to me is just the worst idea. Just the worst idea. I understand you've trained the animal, but you don't know what that animal is going to do at the end of the day, like that. Just to me, is just bad idea. That's
John Shull 49:50
the thing, right? Is, is at the end of the day, they're still animals, so who knows, they could just snap and do something without even thinking, no matter how well trained. Mind that they are
Nick VinZant 50:01
exactly glad. You agree with me about this,
John Shull 50:05
I do. I do. I had a boy at a kid, alright, so my number four, I like being just being loud, like laughing loudly, trying to draw attention to yourself, just being too, just too loud. I just, it's annoying. It's usually an attention thing. Just, yeah, it's, that's number it's my number four being too loud in public.
Nick VinZant 50:29
I have that higher on the list. I thought that you would have that much higher on the list. To be honest with you, both of us do not like loud things. Um, my number four is any kind of gross behavior, just being gross, like, anything like that, being disgusting, littering, I would also throw into that, like, not kind of acting like we all share this, not acting like we don't all share this space together, any kind of gross behavior,
John Shull 50:56
kind of kind of that kind of falls into my number three, except I don't have it like gross behavior, but I just have people who aren't courteous, and that could be holding a door or picking up the trash, you know, or you know, you see it all the time at restaurants where people are kind of rude to servers and things, and it's just like, What are you doing? Like we're all here, we're all trying to share the space together, like everyone's either working or trying to have a good time, like, you know, so just just being nice, being courteous, and people who aren't as my number three, hmm,
Nick VinZant 51:32
okay, I can agree with that. My number three, I just wrote meandering. But I think what I mean by that is like people who walk in the middle of anything. Like, don't walk in the middle. Don't walk in the middle of the sidewalk or the grocery store. Like, pick a side and get out of the way. Like, you know how some people seem to just go back and forth like this, like, I can't get around you. Pick a side. Man.
John Shull 51:56
We're kind of going tit for tat here, because my number two is, I just have the people who are just they're just carefree, like they just don't care about anyone else, and it's not that they're bad people. For the most part. I don't think that's just annoying once again, like there's more than just you that's walking on the sidewalk. Or, you know, it really gets me as people with animals who, you know, like, like, that's it like they're walking their dog. There's nobody else trying to walk on that path or going by them. It's just Yeah. So that's my number two.
Nick VinZant 52:30
That actually leads into my number one, which I which is main character syndrome, people who ask people who act as if other people do not exist and have no awareness that other people exist in the world. That's my number one is like when people just have no clue what the consequences of their actions, of their behavior. That drives me nuts. My number two is loud. I can't stand loud talking, talking on speakerphones, loud cars. I hate loud things in public.
John Shull 53:01
I should have put this with, like, my loud one was, like, people who talk on speakerphone, acting like nobody else is around them, like I can hear everything you're saying. Like, I mean, come on, man, come on. What?
Nick VinZant 53:16
What does always crack me up, though, is when people talk in their cars, but you can clearly, like, hear their entire conversation, because, for some reason, like, you can't hear it in the car, but it blasts all over the place. And you can, like, hear somebody in their car talking or getting in an argument. And like, man, that's connected to your car's audio. We can all hear that, that I love it. I love that
John Shull 53:37
you ever have one time, just one time in my life, I pulled up next to a G, I had a GMC. I pull up next to a GMC, and the call connected to my car. The person was like, I think her name was Sherry, but the guy was like, Sherry, are you there shit? I didn't say anything. I just, I just connected thing. I just, she would
Nick VinZant 54:04
never have been able to explain it. Oh, I know. I know, right, yeah, never explain that. That's why you missed a once in a lifetime opportunity. Man, no, I
John Shull 54:14
didn't trust me. It went through my like, she obviously knew what happened. She was looking over at me. I was like, Yeah, I don't. I don't want to get in the middle of, you know, I don't want whoever that is to think like, I'm in the car with you, because that's so if
Nick VinZant 54:27
you called your wife and that situation happened to her, could she convince you that, like, that's what happened. Could she ever really convince you that, like, no, your call connected to a car that was next to mine. There wasn't another man in the car. It connected to another guy's car. Do you think you could convince would she can be able to convince you?
John Shull 54:52
Yeah, but I think I'm a little gullible. I mean, yeah, I would believe my wife. I. Say About every girl I've ever been with, but I would agree with that. But yeah, yeah, my wife, yeah, I would believe her. You'd have
Nick VinZant 55:08
to have a clean slate. If there was any marks on that slate, that's going to be pretty hard to convince somebody of.
John Shull 55:15
Yeah, sure would be. Did we say my number one yet? No, huh, it's just the I put down the butter inner, which makes no sense, but like the one upper, you know, the person who in public may not even know who you are, may have, may just have been walking by, but it has to feel like they have to get into a conversation, or they have to give their two cents. Or, you know, you could be standing, you could be sitting in a bar, having a conversation, and then this person leans in is like, well, you know, 10 years ago, I rode that bull for nine seconds, and it's just like nobody cares. Man, like, I don't care. Nobody does.
Nick VinZant 55:54
Maybe they're just trying to connect with you. Well, I don't want to say that they have a shared experience. I
John Shull 55:59
don't want to connect. I just want to be alone. Well, that's the thing,
Nick VinZant 56:03
right? Like, it is funny that how your emotional state colors all of your behaviors and all of your interactions with other people. Like, if you just want to be alone, you hate everything. Everybody does
John Shull 56:13
those edibles kicking in yet?
Nick VinZant 56:16
No, it takes, I actually have it down. It takes me 27 minutes. I've got a system. I know exactly when to take them well, then it'll work out a system. Dinner's gonna
John Shull 56:25
taste good. Oh,
Nick VinZant 56:27
god, Oh, I love it. Do you have anything in your honorable mention? I
John Shull 56:32
mean, I have people so, like people who have are just angry in public, like they're just pissed off, and everyone else has to know that they're angry.
Nick VinZant 56:41
People, yeah, people, hygiene
John Shull 56:45
doesn't bother me too much, but I will say like smelling like people who have a distinct smell, not a bit, not a big fan, not a big fan of that one. And then the the over the overdo it, sports fan, like the person who is just like, you know, they're not a real fan or, like, a real supporter, but god damn it, they're gonna let everybody know with their face paint and their $200 jersey, you know, like, it's just that can be a little annoying. The
Nick VinZant 57:15
only thing that I had, which is kind of tied the loudest, was, like, people who listen to music in public, I don't want to hear your music. Yeah, I could never do that. I could never just walk down the street with music plastic. Like, I would never do that. I don't know that's one of those behaviors that you just have to you're you, you're doing that just to get a rise out of people. And I would I could never be that person. Have you ever done anything just to piss somebody off? Not like friends? Guy friends do that shit all the time. I
John Shull 57:50
was gonna say, my does my wife count? No. I mean, I mean kind of like with driving, I try to avoid confrontation, and it's not, it's not, it's not because I'm afraid of of, you know, getting into a fight or defending myself, or it's not anything to do with that. I just don't, I don't want to deal with it. So, no, I've, I've not, I never, on purpose want to draw attention like that.
Nick VinZant 58:18
No, I, that's me too. I don't really go for any kind of confrontation, simply because it's just not worth the time. Like, like, I don't want to deal with this.
John Shull 58:28
Like, I just want to go about my day and I just, I just don't want, I don't want, I don't want people that notice me, yeah, man, I don't just want to be give me my my banking and my blanket and send me to bed. Like, that's it. Man.
Nick VinZant 58:40
Oh, okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it. Really helps us out and let us know what you think are some of the most annoying public behaviors. I really can't stand it when people act as if no other person besides themselves exists. That's my number one. But let us know what yours is.