They’re two of the best Pillow Fighters in the world. But is Pillow Fighting a real sport or a gimmick. Pillow Fighting World Champions Terrell Jenkins and Julia Dorny talk life as a Professional Pillow Fighter, the embarrassment of getting knocked out with a pillow and if Pillow Fighting has what it takes to be the next big combat sport. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Pieces of Playground Equipment.
Terrell Jenkins and Julia Dorny: 01:12
Pointless: 17:40
Top 5 Pieces of Playground Equipment: 35:34
Interview with Pillow Fighting World Champions Terrell (TJ) Jenkins and Julia Dorny
Nick VinZant 0:12
Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick vinzant Coming up in this episode, pillow fights and playground equipment. Man.
Terrell Jenkins 0:21
Like, come on, smacking some guys with some pillows. Like, of course, it's funny. It's hilarious to me. So
Julia Dorny 0:26
what's the one of the fastest technical knockouts in PFC history? I actually TKO her.
Terrell Jenkins 0:32
Like, you gotta think about that. That right there is, like, and then you're going viral from me, and knocked out with some pillows.
Nick VinZant 0:39
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or a review. We really appreciate. It really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guests, because they are two of the best pillow fighters in the world. This is pillow fighting World Champions Terrell Jenkins and Julia Dorney. So when we look at pillow fighting like, is this a gimmick, or is this a real sport?
Terrell Jenkins 1:17
It's a real sport. Yeah, it's a real sport. It's a real sport. Now,
Julia Dorny 1:22
it's not a joke, like they actually hit you. It's like a, I think, two or three pound pillow with those special handles and handles, and the surface of that pillow is, like, really hard. And when you actually get hit, it's kind of, Wow. I didn't expect that, you know,
Nick VinZant 1:36
when you
Terrell Jenkins 1:38
started, though I was just doing it for fun, man. Like, you know, I mean, you know, like, when you just, you know, you play pillow fighting when you was a young kid. So I was kind of, like, just intrigued, because it's, like, brought back memories. That's why I was so intrigued about it. I wasn't really worrying about the outcome or anything like that. Like, I wasn't really, you know, too focused on, on, pretty much anything like that. But I'm like, man, like, come on, smacking some guys with some pillows. Like, of course, it's funny. It's hilarious to me. So
Nick VinZant 2:05
when you got in that ring for the first time, though, what was that like?
Terrell Jenkins 2:09
I was like, Damn, I'm going destroy him. That was my that was my thought. Like, honestly, like, that was my thought. Like, yeah. Like, I don't care who I who I go against
Julia Dorny 2:18
first round ever. I was like, wow, this is really tough. So stuff. And then I thought, you know, as soon as you have competition, adrenaline kicks in, although, just just pillow fight, you know, like, I just want to win this anyway. Regard, it's like, you know, so adrenaline kicks in, you do your stuff. And, like, really, over the course of the the rounds, I got feel like I felt better from round to round when my opponent already was guessed out. I was like, yeah, no, I guess no,
Nick VinZant 2:42
let's go. Did you have a strategy, or was it just, I'm I got this pillow, I'm gonna try to hit this guy. That
Terrell Jenkins 2:48
was it. I got this pillow, I'm gonna try to hit this guy. And it went crazy. I'm gonna be honest with you, it went crazy. My first fight was in Delray boxing, and I was going up against the guy. I beat that guy. Then I had another guy I went up against, and I kind of dislocated his shoulder
Nick VinZant 3:07
with a pillow. He knocked his dislocation. Yeah, yeah. How did you do that? Like, I wouldn't have thought that was possible to dislocate somebody's shoulder with a pillow.
Terrell Jenkins 3:16
I hate hard. I'm gonna be honest. I really I hate hard. I knocked the guy out with a pillow too, and that went viral as well
Nick VinZant 3:22
for me, right? I would be a little embarrassed if I got knocked out with a pillow.
Terrell Jenkins 3:27
Yeah, I would, too, but that's why I'm not the one on the other side of that. So I got into worry about it, so I gotta let the other guy in. So relax,
Nick VinZant 3:34
that's his problem, right? Like, that's his problem. Well, don't lose then, and you won't have that happen to you, but did you have any, like, formal training in the sense of, like, MMA, or anything like that, or you just, like, I
Terrell Jenkins 3:47
did boxing, I did Kempo, I did judo. So those are, like, those are the forms of training that I had prior to pillow fighting.
Julia Dorny 3:55
It's a different range of motion. So for boxing and MMA, you have to be, you know, a little closer with the pillow, you have to really learn, you know, to to get a feel for that kind of distance.
Nick VinZant 4:06
If somebody was just a tough guy, could they do this? Or do, you kind of, know, like you need to kind of have some actual training. It's
Terrell Jenkins 4:14
always good to actually have some training. It'll be more beneficial in your favor. But, um, I feel like anybody could kind of come in and kind of get the basics down and be able to to swing a pillow. You know, I'm saying, like, it's swinging a pillow at that. But I feel like when you start going up against, like, you know, some guys that's really technical, that that really got some skill on them and know how to move that they had and good on these feet, then you got a little bit of challenge ahead of you. You know what I'm saying. So that's really it, right there.
Nick VinZant 4:45
So how many fights have you had so far? So far,
Terrell Jenkins 4:49
I say, like a, I think about 13 or more fights,
Nick VinZant 4:54
enough that you start to lose track of the number. No, yeah.
Terrell Jenkins 4:57
So it's real cool, man. To be a part of something that you don't think is a big deal until the media kind of gravitate towards it and kind of piques interest in it. So it's not cool to be a part of, sure, it
Nick VinZant 5:10
kind of reminds me of slap fighting, in the sense that when slap fighting started, people were like, What is this?
Terrell Jenkins 5:17
Exactly? Exactly. It's pretty similar to that. It's pretty similar to that, for
Nick VinZant 5:20
sure. Now slap fighting is a thing. Do you think that this has that possibility, or is this kind of going to be more
Terrell Jenkins 5:27
absolutely for sure? I feel like this would be more bigger than just slapping. You know what I mean? Because you're getting the crowd involved, you're swinging pillows. Y'all in the ring like y'all going against each other. You know what I mean? You seeing some crazy 360 hits in your head. You seeing guys slip to the ground. You know, it's more entertaining. It's more of a show, believe
Julia Dorny 5:50
it or not. But the most recent idea PFC CEO Steve Williams says, is to actually make it an Olympic sport. So he had talked to, like, a lot of influential people, and I don't know where they're at right now, but I mean, just the idea to get it to the Olympics, it's kind of interesting. So I think they're probably not too far away from that. So
Nick VinZant 6:13
going from that first fight to kind of, now that you've got 1015, whatever under your belt, like, have, have, has your approach to it changed. Like, would you say you have a strategy now.
Julia Dorny 6:24
You need a great endurance. You need strength. You have to have an, you know, technical understanding. You have to see the gaps. It's not just you cannot go 90 seconds like completely wild, because you will gasp out your legs, your core strengths. You know, you have to be really fast on your legs. In order to not get hit, you have to have a an idea for defending yourself, because obviously you can also defend yourself. And you know, the pillow of your opponent hits you, put the arms certain way. Because even when you like, hit yourself like this, when the pillow hits you, they score at a point,
Terrell Jenkins 6:58
I would say, like, you know, 360s you got to know when to hit them. 360s you got to know when to get your head up out the way. You know, I don't know when to step back. It's, it's different tactics to kind of strategies that you could kind of prepare for, for different individuals. You know what I mean, because you can kind of just watch some of the other people's fight as well, the guys that went prior, you know what I mean, I've been beneficial and honor to be able to win a belt. So that's been cool. Yeah, I won the belt. Yeah, recently,
Nick VinZant 7:26
that's got to be pretty cool. Like, whatever somebody's doing to be the champion of it exactly what was going through your head, like, I'm the champion now,
Terrell Jenkins 7:35
man, I had to wait for two years to become the champion. So I was the underdog for a while, but I always put on a good fight, every fight, every fight you got people chained, TJ, TJ, they love my shots. They love me smacking guys out, you know what I mean? And then I was humbled. I was just waiting my turn, waiting my turn, until I was like, You know what? This is my moment. Now, you know, and that was the honest fortune event, and I've been able to fight a guy and then, man, I beat everybody. I won. I was like, wow. Like, it's just, it's on my page, uh, TJ, vision, seven, seven. That's the Instagram handle, so you can check that out. So kind
Nick VinZant 8:11
of getting into, kind of, like, the logistics of the sport. Like, okay, so obviously you win if you knock them out. But like, how do you score points? How does the sport work?
Terrell Jenkins 8:20
So you score points by um, 360s headshots. And if the guy the opponent, falls down, you get points on that, you know, stop like and like, entertainment points, you know, like, if that makes sense. Entertainment points like, say, if a guy, like, hits a back flip, smacks the guy in the head with the pillow too, you know, it's yeah, it's different. Yeah, people get they get it. They get into it. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 8:42
somebody did a backflip and hit somebody, yeah,
Terrell Jenkins 8:45
back, flip, front, flips, cartwheels, yeah, they doing everything. That's what I'm saying. It's more of like a, you know, like a cool entertainment type of thing. It's getting the crowd involved. So that's why I say it's like, it's like, it's like wrestling too, you know, wrestling and you know, how that, yeah, that kind of hype and that, that excitement that everybody's like, you know, they're able to be a part of. I feel like that'd be cool,
Nick VinZant 9:08
man, if somebody did a backflip and hit me in the face of the pillow and knocked me out, nobody would see me for years.
Terrell Jenkins 9:17
I'll be honest. It's, it's really embarrassing. It's really embarrassing.
Nick VinZant 9:20
There's an aspect of that to it, right? It's not like boxing where, like, Okay, I lost that guy was better than me. Like, this dude just hit me in the face with a pillow, pillow.
Terrell Jenkins 9:29
Like, you gotta think about that that, right? There is, like, and then you're going viral from me and knocked out with some pillows. And you gotta think about it like a man at the end of the day, you know? Like, yeah, part of you was destroyed from getting smacked in the head with a pillow and knocked out, calling it knocked out with a pillow. Come on, man, you can't go wrong with that. So I find that. So when the fight
Nick VinZant 9:52
starts like, what do you what are you trying to do? You're trying to just rush in there as quick as you can. I'm not
Terrell Jenkins 9:57
rushing. I'm never rushing. I'm just I'm. I'm reading my opponent's body language. I'm seeing his hits, see how fast he is. I'm like, okay, and now you know kind of I got reach on him, so I'm keeping my space. I'm getting my target.
Nick VinZant 10:14
Oh, man, you are fast,
Terrell Jenkins 10:16
and I'm not even, you know, I'm just reading my opponent. See, he can't, he don't have no reach on me, so I'm keeping my space on him.
Nick VinZant 10:24
Now, are you a bigger guy, or is he a little or guy?
Terrell Jenkins 10:28
He's a smaller guy. So he would want to get close, but he can't get close because my hits is really strong, so I'm kind of keeping him at a distance.
Nick VinZant 10:36
Can you use the you can use the other hand to block it? Huh?
Terrell Jenkins 10:40
I could switch each side so one side is open. I could switch my foot and switch it in my other hand, and I'm always hitting them at that point. And
Nick VinZant 10:47
that's the 360 Yeah, that's
Terrell Jenkins 10:49
the 360 right there.
Nick VinZant 10:50
So what now is that you're just trying to do that for more power or or you're trying to do that because it's more points,
Terrell Jenkins 10:56
it's more points, but it's also more power too, as well. This is another one right here.
Nick VinZant 11:01
So, but, okay, but the pillow, like, How heavy is this pillow? It's
Terrell Jenkins 11:05
like a regular pillow. It's just the the material on the exterior of the pillow. It got a nice pop noise. So the pop noise he's giving up. He's exhausted. Oh,
Nick VinZant 11:17
so you just catching him? Yeah, it's that physically hard to swing it. It's
Terrell Jenkins 11:22
not that hard to swing at
Nick VinZant 11:23
all and all, but it's just accumulation of everything, yeah,
Terrell Jenkins 11:26
of continuing getting smacked in the head with a pillow. That's crazy. So you knew
Nick VinZant 11:31
you had him here.
Terrell Jenkins 11:32
Yeah, he's done. He's done. Oh, you
Nick VinZant 11:35
guys are like, you're really going at it, huh? Yeah.
Julia Dorny 11:38
What's the one of the fastest technical knockouts in PFC history. I actually TKO her. So she got up again, she lost her balance. That got me a lot of points. Yeah, I'm a good hitter, you know, yeah, I'm a good hitter. I have a good impact. You know,
Nick VinZant 11:53
what was that like when you won the championship? You know, absolutely amazing.
Julia Dorny 11:56
I had a only three weeks in Germany and sold my apartment at all my stuff, in order to live here full time. Because back then, I had the apartment in Florida, Coconut Creek and one in Berlin. So a lot of stress I went through. And then when I won, and obviously made a lot of money, I was like, Yes, that was all worth it. You know,
Nick VinZant 12:15
how much can I ask you? How much you made from from winning? Uh,
Unknown Speaker 12:20
5k. Oh, wow.
Nick VinZant 12:22
So you're getting pretty good money there. Yeah, that
Julia Dorny 12:25
was good that we could because that was the World Championships too, you know,
Nick VinZant 12:29
is it better to kind of be on the attack, or are you trying to more counter attack?
Julia Dorny 12:35
I love being the attacker, but I don't mind, you know, also defending and attacking.
Nick VinZant 12:40
What is that? You know, what's, what does that feel like? Because you catch her like you catch her, what does that feel like when you catch somebody like that?
Julia Dorny 12:47
It feels good. It's a it's a good sound when you when you hear, wow, that was, you know, I just got right in the face. That's nice. Who
Nick VinZant 12:55
has been your toughest opponent in MMA, who has been your toughest opponent in pillow fighting,
Julia Dorny 13:00
I honestly think like I when I go, let's say, MMA, I go from fight to fight in that moment when I'm in my fight camp four fight, I feel like this is one of my artist challenges, right? I don't think like, like this, like, even in judo, you know, I had like, over 800 fights. I go from fight to fight, and that when you find the semi final for whatever the European Championships. This is your, probably your hardest opponent, and then you win this eventually, and then you move one, and then this might be your hardest opponent. So I'd never underestimate anybody. I feel like everybody deserves the respect, because they also put hard work in there, and effort and love and passion, you know. So I cannot really say that, plus it's also really a performance thing. How do you feel on that day? You know? There might be days where just literally, literally kill someone in the cage. And then there are days where you feel like, today's just not the day. I don't feel it. I don't feel well. I feel like sick, whatever. You know, I don't, I can't really say, Well, my toughest, toughest opponent was life, baby. Life is my toughest opponent. Ain't that
Nick VinZant 14:01
the truth? Would you say in MMA? Do you have, like, an overall goal, like, this is what, this is where I want to be. This is what I want to do,
Julia Dorny 14:10
overall, what the most important thing is be healthy, because you only have one health. So be healthy, but eventually become the Invicta world champion, get into the UFC, have a couple of good fights, and say, Thank you very much. That was a great career. You know, at 34 I guess you think kind of differently, because I don't have children yet, and eventually I wanna does
Nick VinZant 14:36
that I did. Does that weigh on you though? Like, do you feel an extra pressure because, like, Okay, I'm 34 and for an athlete, I
Julia Dorny 14:42
do, I do, I do. It does something to you, but does a
Nick VinZant 14:47
part of you feel like, oh gosh, I'm 34 if I was doing this in 24
Julia Dorny 14:53
I would be wrecking people. Oh, my God, yes, of course. Like, if I would have just known about MMA any early. Earlier, and could have started all of this earlier. Oh, my God, yes, if I was all everything I have now at 24
Nick VinZant 15:09
Yeah. What is it like training with att?
Julia Dorny 15:12
I mean, it's, yeah, that's fantastic. It's a great gym with World, world class athletes. It's a great facility. And, you know, I remember, you know, stepping there, coming entering that door for the very first time in my life, knowing it just from videos and pictures. I was like, wow, wow, I'm here. Well, I'm on the team though, my goodness, and that's great. I mean, also a lot of pressure, you know, because you have to perform. It's, it's about, it's a business. It's not a normal dojo. It's it's of a business. To bring money in, you have to be successful. You know,
Nick VinZant 15:47
have you had harder fights in the gym than you've had in the ring, so to speak?
Julia Dorny 15:50
Probably, yes. I mean, this is a good training camp. You know what? I mean, like 24/7 so you're always grind with the best people out there. It's just, let's put it like this, it prepares you really well for what's out there.
Nick VinZant 16:04
That's pretty much all the questions we got. What's kind of coming up for you? I know you got a lot of stuff going
Julia Dorny 16:09
on. I cannot even say it right now. It's too early to publish that information.
Nick VinZant 16:14
Oh, so you got something good coming then, huh?
Julia Dorny 16:17
Like two or three really good things happening very soon. And I'm very looking forward to that. And once the time allows it, I'm definitely going to obviously share it with the audience. Well, follow me on Instagram, please. I am at Julia Dorney, or you just put in a German tank. You find the account. Follow me.
Terrell Jenkins 16:35
Yeah, I got some I got some things coming up. So like I said just, just stay in train right now. That's what I'm focused on right now. But my next fight, I think it should be next month, and possibly next month. So I just say, tune in and tune in. We got some big things coming up. We just had a couple events, community events, we plugged into and doing some stuff for the kids, kind of taking some pictures for community, and just trying to support everybody you know, trying to do something positive, trying to do something different and leave that impact. So that's my goal, right there.
Nick VinZant 17:12
So if I find myself in a pillow fight, man, what's your best piece of advice for me, duck? I I want to thank Terrell and Julia so much for joining us. If you want to connect with them, we have linked to them on our social media sites. We're profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included their information in the episode description. Okay, now let's bring in John Scholl and get to the pointless part of the show. Do you prefer liquids or solids, like food or drink?
John Shull 17:51
Oh, man, I mean, I mean, I have to go solid. I think everyone's choice would be solids.
Nick VinZant 17:59
I prefer solids. Like, I would rather have a good meal, but I like liquids more. Like, if I had a choice between a really good liquid and a really good solid, I would probably take a really good liquid. I think the big question in my mind is, do you consider like a milkshake or a shake to be a solid or a liquid? Because I could consist entirely off of blended food.
John Shull 18:23
I don't know if that's sustainable for quality of life, but I also don't really know
Nick VinZant 18:29
what food could you like live entirely off of, like, I would just eat this all the time. Oh,
John Shull 18:35
I mean, this might be an unpopular thing, but I could eat sushi for every meal forever.
Nick VinZant 18:41
Oh, yeah, I don't know. Well, I need some bread. I would need some bread, but I could probably consist almost entirely of sushi as well.
John Shull 18:51
It's amazing. The options are endless. Like, yeah, sushi, which I'm gonna try to make my own for the first time. This, this this weekend. I'm pretty excited about it. Sushi is probably now my favorite, favorite food currently.
Nick VinZant 19:05
I don't know what's going on with your life, but I'm going to share some inside information about you, because I think that you need to be confronted right now, before we started recording, John said that he had a wild story to tell me, which consisted of him getting a haircut and then going to work. And now said you said you're pretty excited about getting sushi. I'm very concerned that you're aging rapidly and you've had multiple injuries. You went from a 30 ish man to an 80 year old ish man in the space of about a month. And I think that you need to be aware of this and check yourself.
John Shull 19:38
I mean, first, I appreciate you saying that and putting my business out there. Secondly, I feel like I have to give some context to people who might not know. So I tore a muscle in my back, and then I completely tore my cat, my calf muscle. So for me, and it's been more than a month now with my calf muscles, so for me to actually. It out and do something which I didn't even really do it like my wife drove me. I was very excited. So yes, for me to say it was a wild story, isn't a wild story. But, I mean, it was my day, so I don't know I was excited. I'm still kind of living off it.
Nick VinZant 20:16
I feel like you got to keep doing some crazy shit in life, like, you've got to keep taking risks, and that gets a lot harder as you get older, because you just don't have the energy, or you're probably going to get hurt. But I think that you gotta, you gotta, you gotta push yourself a little bit. You can't be like, Man, wild day today. Got dropped off at work, and I'm thinking about making my own sushi. I
John Shull 20:40
think it's all perspective. You know, that's, that's the one thing. If anyone's had a major injury or anything, or anything happen to them, you get humbled pretty fast in not being able to to walk without pain like when that happens. I will probably come on this on the show, and say, I had a wild day today. I walked without pain for the first time and whenever it is. So, hey, man,
Nick VinZant 21:04
life, life is about little victories. I just think that you gotta you right? You gotta push yourself a little bit sometimes,
John Shull 21:11
I'm back in the basement again two times in about a week. So, and
Nick VinZant 21:15
this is the part of the show where once John brings up his basement, we immediately go to the next segment. That's fair. That's what we should do from now on. Is second you bring up your basement, we immediately stop what we're talking about and move on.
John Shull 21:27
That's fair. I mean, I, I don't I don't care if people want to listen to my basement talk it
Nick VinZant 21:32
just nobody cares about your basement. Nobody cares about your basement.
John Shull 21:36
I will say this, I have learned a little something throughout the injury process. Is that it is quite interesting. Everyone within the first two or three days, you know, and this isn't a knock to anybody, but everyone is, Hey, how are you? What do you need? What do you need? And then it all goes away. It all goes away. And then, you know, the people closest to you will trickle out through there and ask you, but it's just funny. It's kind of the same thing in terms of, like, living life and being crazy. It's like, you do that one thing and you're crazy, and everyone's like, Oh yeah, awesome. And then if you do nothing else the rest of your life, everyone forgets about you.
Nick VinZant 22:15
Oh yeah. Well, we just go back to the status quo, man. It's just a change, and then you go back to that. I don't think it matters what necessarily would have happened. Like, you could take it to as bad of a place if you wanted to, right? Like, John was hit by a car. He's in a coma. And then a couple, you know, everybody would check in on your wife for the first week, and then eventually be like, Where's John? Well, he's still in a coma, yeah. Like, we just go back to the status quo very quickly. Life goes on. Like, you just keep moving man.
John Shull 22:42
It's a larger conversation that we shouldn't be a part of, but I think it's important to like as a society, I just feel like we're so desensitized to things. So it's like, oh yeah, John's in a coma. Sucks for him and his family. Like, it doesn't really affect me a whole lot, so I'll just keep moving on.
Nick VinZant 22:58
Well, everybody's got their own problems. They do right, and nobody is paying nearly as much attention to you as you think that they are or really thinks about you nearly as much. I would make a Okay, we are both happily married men. What percentage would you say of your wife's day is spent thinking about you.
John Shull 23:23
Oh, man. I mean, I'm gonna say less than 10% but that's not a knock against my wife. She just has her own job. We have the kids, you know, everything else that goes into it. I would be surprised if I have even a 10th of her day, to be honest,
Nick VinZant 23:42
I can, I can see less than 10% I would say 10% at most. Yeah, that's fair. I could easily see less than 5% so like, the closest person to you in the world spends 95% of their day doing something else.
John Shull 23:58
That's, I mean, that's actually a really good point. And I yeah, you
Nick VinZant 24:02
aren't nearly as important to other people as you think you are. Like nobody is. I don't think that anybody thinks about anybody else more than 5% of their day, except for children, young children, and then it's weird. You spend 18 years raising your children, then they move out, and they probably never think, like, how often do you think about your parents once a day? Yeah, I
John Shull 24:28
mean, and how many times when you have young children, are you just going through the motions of making sure they get up, get them to where they need to be, and then you're just looking towards putting them down to sleep so you can have some time.
Nick VinZant 24:39
My children are both in this house right now. My wife is not here. I don't know where they are. I think they're upstairs where watching TV or playing Legos. It's so funny. Otherwise and like, I guarantee they have no thought of me whatsoever.
John Shull 24:54
I actually, I said the same damn thing this morning. I'm like, I don't even know where my kid. Are. I have no idea they could be running amok. I have no idea our
Nick VinZant 25:04
kids are, both of the age where they can be alone for a little bit. It's going to be, Oh, yeah. I do have poll results, 66% 66% of people prefer solids. 34% before prefer liquids. I just think that liquid can be better than a solid. But I also prefer solids. That's a little I thought it would be more. I thought it would be a little bit more to the solid side, to be honest with you, that's a testament to the strength of liquids anyway. Alright,
John Shull 25:31
let's do some shout outs here. Isabella Byrne, Bruce Pilcher, George de Montville, Keegan Blackwell, Jesse Cook, Dan rebenow, uh, let's see here. Mika Ryan, Joey Byers, Ross Berg, Jeremy Payne and David Orozco. Appreciate you all and yeah,
Nick VinZant 25:59
those are some names. You don't hear a lot of Ross and Bruce. You don't hear a lot of Rosses and Bruce's. I
John Shull 26:06
actually, I have a quick question for you, because you kind of brought it up. Uh, one of my good friends, his last name is Bruce, and I've always called him by his last name, yeah. How do you feel about that? Would you be annoyed? Are you like? Obviously no one's gonna call you vinzant. I don't think maybe they do. Like, everyone calls me shul. Nobody really calls me John, and I'm fine with that. There is even people I don't know just call me shul. Usually there
Nick VinZant 26:36
I'm generally a first name person. People usually call me by by their first name, but there are a couple of people who call me by my last name. There definitely seems to be, I don't know, and I couldn't even explain it, like, I couldn't even tell you what the pattern is, but some people get called by their first name, and some people get called by their last name, like, I can think of friends of mine. You're John. I refer to you as John. Other friends of mine refer to by their last name, and some refer to by their first name. There's no rhyme or reason for it,
John Shull 27:10
yeah, I don't know. I just when you brought Bruce up, it just made me think of like, Have I been secretly pissing this guy off forever? Like, I don't know.
Nick VinZant 27:18
I don't care if somebody calls me by my last name.
John Shull 27:21
Yeah, I don't Yeah. All right, anyways, uh, let's see we're gonna what's
Nick VinZant 27:25
his first name? What's his first name? What's Bruce's first name? Uh, Nick, Nick, Bruce,
John Shull 27:31
Nick, Bruce. And I believe his middle name is John, if I'm not mistaken. So, njb, great, great middle name.
Nick VinZant 27:39
Nick, John, Bruce, Oh, God. Are you one of those people that like, you got the same name, I do. You got the same car, I do. You got the same shoes, I do.
John Shull 27:48
Why did you just start talking like, Smokey the Bear?
Nick VinZant 27:51
Was that pretty good? Smokey the Bear? Are you one of those? Are you one of those people that would be like, I got that shirt? I was
John Shull 28:00
actually going to tell you a story about how I stole a pair of shoes from him, but he didn't know I had stolen them from him until we were out at a club one night. And he's like, I those look a lot like the shoes I have. And I'm like, Yeah, bad. They're your shoes. I
Nick VinZant 28:15
stole them from you. I would never take clothing from another person.
John Shull 28:18
It's a long story. Don't want to wear other people's clothing. He was in Italy. I didn't really have a nice pair of shoes. These were nicer. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Okay,
Nick VinZant 28:27
okay. All right,
John Shull 28:29
so we're gonna change the what you say Italy?
Nick VinZant 28:33
Let's call it Italy,
John Shull 28:35
Italy. All right. Well, this could be fun or not fun. Um, so we're gonna do same first name. I picked two people with the same first name. Let's pretend that you have no idea who these people are, but you have based upon name alone. You have to pick one that you'd hang out with. Okay, so just name alone. So we'll start off with a pretty easy one here, uh, Arnold Palmer, or Arnold Schwarzenegger. Oh,
Nick VinZant 29:04
Arnold Schwarzenegger. Arnold Schwarzenegger,
John Shull 29:08
based off the name alone. Does it just sound like a better name that of just somebody you want to hang out with? Oh, wait,
Nick VinZant 29:13
I'm supposed to do it, but they're both named Arnold. Like, how is this going to work? Like I said, evaluate, well, Arnold Schwarzenegger. I'm not supposed to, but I'm not supposed to analyze them based on knowing them. I'm just supposed to pick Arnold like, oh, just by Okay, yeah, I
John Shull 29:33
picked or I picked one first name and then two people. Then you just have to pick which one you'd rather hang out with just based upon their name alone. So we're stereotyping names here.
Nick VinZant 29:43
Arnold Schwarzenegger, oh, okay, all right. Arnold Schwarzenegger, okay, I would probably go Arnold Schwarzenegger, because that's the kind of name that like, I don't know that's just going to be an interesting person. Arnold Palmer sounds like a little bit more boring. Arnold Palmer sounds like the equivalent of your story. Worry when you're like, Oh, I had a wild day. Today. I went to work like Arnold Palmer. What's he doing? Man, he's mixing lemonade and tea or whatever. An Arnold Palmer is like, wow, you're crazy. Man,
John Shull 30:14
I would actually probably go reversal. I would go Arnold Palmer instead of Arnold Schwarzenegger. But that's just, you know, okay, okay, um, Calvin Broaddus Jr, or Calvin Klein. Oh, Calvin
Nick VinZant 30:28
Broaddus Jr. Calvin Klein seems a little bit stuck up. Calvin Klein seems like a guy that like he's not going to be that fun. Calvin Broaddus Jr. It's not the Calvin, it's the broadest. I believe that's Snoop Dogg, that's his real name, isn't it?
John Shull 30:43
That is Snoop Dogg, yes, yes, I I'd probably go Kelvin Klein again, and I'm not really sure why. I just feel like he put a junior or a suffix on there. Can be a little iffy with somebody.
Nick VinZant 30:53
It can, it can, because it's kind of like, oh, the first one didn't work out. So let's try it again. Yeah, that's a little bit what suffix is, like juniors and the third like, oh, that didn't work out so well, let's give another shot see if this one works out. So juniors can be a little bit dicey, but, yeah,
John Shull 31:13
uh, Taylor Swift, Taylor Lautner,
Nick VinZant 31:22
probably Taylor, do I know that Taylor Swift is a girl? No, no. Then if, if I knew that it was a girl Taylor Swift, if I knew that it was, if I didn't know then Taylor Lautner, I just think a little bit more unique is gonna be the more interesting. Like, if you have a unique name, you're generally a little bit more interesting than people with like Bob Jones. Like nobody's like Bob Jones, man, whoo. You hang out with that guy. You're lucky to come home not in jail.
John Shull 31:59
Pretty, pretty American, right? It's pretty, pretty right, right
Nick VinZant 32:02
there? Like, there is something about, if you have a boring, I don't, yeah, you might be the most interesting person I know with a fairly kind of, like, generic name. Well, Shola shoals more generic than vinzant. Would you say that?
John Shull 32:23
Yeah? I mean, yeah. I mean, they're not, they're not common in America, right? They're both from European ancestry. But, yeah, yeah, yeah, vinzant is definitely a little more obscure,
Nick VinZant 32:33
and Nick is a little bit more obscure than John. Well, John's very common.
John Shull 32:38
I mean, I would say at one point, Nick and John were probably the two most popular boys names when we were named John and Nick. So I
Nick VinZant 32:45
don't know very many. I only know maybe four other Knicks.
John Shull 32:53
Um, let's see I know. I mean, I know several Knicks, but I'm not going to name any of them on here, because no one cares. Yeah, this is, this isn't all right. Terry Cruz, or Terry bolea. Terry bolea, see, I would go the other way. I would go Terry Cruz because sounds like a mark in a square to me, possibly,
Nick VinZant 33:13
um, Terry Bella does sound like an undercover cop. Yeah. Like, what's your name? Terry bolea, you made that up. Also, that guy doesn't, let's Hulk Hogan, who does not look like his name is Terry bolea. It does depend a little bit to me, house Cruz is spelled, if you're talking C, u, r, I, z, e, okay.
John Shull 33:41
Why is that just,
Nick VinZant 33:43
I don't know, I like a little bit more exotic, because I'm thinking of Penelope Cruz, yeah, yeah, you do, ah, yeah, I do
John Shull 33:53
Tom Cruise, speaking of Tom Brady,
Nick VinZant 33:58
Tom Cruise, Tom Brady sounds like an accountant.
John Shull 34:05
What? Once again, I don't understand. Sometimes a simple name, there's a good like, it's good name. Like, a simple name is good to me.
Nick VinZant 34:14
I disagree. I disagree. I just think it's like, the more simple it gets, the more stuck up. I feel like the person is going to be like Eldrick Warrington, the third,
John Shull 34:26
yeah. I mean, I almost put a British royalty on here, not gonna hang out with that guy. All right. Last one, Brian Warner, or Brian Johnson.
Nick VinZant 34:36
Brian Johnson,
John Shull 34:40
for those of you who don't know, Brian Warner is the real name of Marilyn Manson. Oh, is it Yes? And Brian Johnson, I believe, is from AC DC. Believe he's the lead singer of AC DC, or was, at one point, at least, anything with
Nick VinZant 34:55
the initials BJ, like, that's going to be a person who's been like, they've, they've, they. Have faced difficulty in their life, really? Brian Johnson, like, that's the most boring thing. If it's so boring, then it like, reverts, like you have you're such a boring name like Brian Johnson,
John Shull 35:17
I mean, it's what's so I was and this was saying, I think boring names are good. I think we kind of, we touched on it just a brief yesterday about crazy names. I'd rather be a boring name 10 out of 10 than being named.
Nick VinZant 35:29
Oh yeah, Calgary, super
John Shull 35:31
Dunker.
Nick VinZant 35:33
Okay, so our top five is top five pieces of playground equipment. It's your number five. I already know you're gonna have a problem.
John Shull 35:40
I already know you're gonna have a problem. Gonna have a problem, yeah, because you're gonna say, like, one of the things you know is part of something, so I already know you're gonna say that. So anyways, my number five, and I didn't, I didn't look it up, the actual name of it, but it's, like, the spinny thing, you know that that you get on, and I should just look it up, but it's a merry go round. Sure, yes, the merry go round. If that's a merry go round, that's a fucked up merry go round, because I've seen kids fly off these fucking things. That's
Nick VinZant 36:14
why my number five is merry go round, because I don't want to be on a merry go round, but a merry go round is fun to be on the outside of, like, spinning people. I don't want to be on it, but I like to watch or to push people on a merry go round. Yeah.
John Shull 36:29
So I've obviously always been a bigger kid. So, like, I was always the pusher. I was always the kid that, like, got it going quick. And, you know, sorry, Ryan Parker, if you're a listener out there, but not sure your back is was ever the same after flying off of that into a wooden pool. So,
Nick VinZant 36:47
oh, so wait a minute. This is a pattern in your life. So you heard a little kid on a merry go round when you were a little kid, and then you hurt children as a parent on a merry go round. This is a pattern in your life, not understanding the concept of a merry go
John Shull 37:00
round. I completely forgot about the, yeah, you know, that's out of the bridge, actually, okay, all right, I'm, I didn't want to bring this up, but I'm not 32nd story right before I hurt myself. We were at a birthday party at a playground, and it was like this climbable soccer ball thing, like it had raised, like raised things, and you could climb up to the top, whatever. There was a little girl on there attending the party. I was the only adult near her, and I was probably 10 feet away. Saw her climbing. Looked like she was having some issues. I don't know. The kid didn't go to help her next day. I know she's on the ground crying. Well, she had fought like screaming. She had fallen off the soccer ball, hit her knee, hit her mouth, and she lost four of her teeth. Oh, that's not my fault, right? Like, I'm not.
Nick VinZant 37:47
It is your fault. If you notice that she was in trouble and you didn't do anything. No, it's
John Shull 37:51
okay. She didn't she I saw that. Kid's
Nick VinZant 37:55
in danger. I'll just stand here. But okay,
John Shull 37:58
here, here was my dilemma. Do I go over there and, like, grab her? Like, you know, help her. Yeah, not knowing. Like, what the parents gonna say? Like, hey, who's this creeper guy? Like, are they gonna believe my story that, like, I went over there, you know, because I'd have to grab her by the waist or something, or maybe her feet, or, God forbid, her butt, to, like, push her up a little bit, um, like, what's the parent gonna say at that point? Because I don't know the parents, I don't know the kid. They're just at the same birthday party.
Nick VinZant 38:24
I think that's the kind of thing that people are pretty good about putting two and two together and figuring the situation out, right? Like, if the kids bothering and the kid's not like, it's like, oh, you saved me, then it's a little bit different. I think that that's overthinking the situation like that would have been worked out. I do agree with you that you have to kind of wonder about those things now and like, Oh, am I going to get in trouble if I help this child? But I generally think that helping out a child who's in danger is probably the way to go, and everybody's going to be able to understand at the end of the day, right? It's not like you have a repeated instances of like, why is this guy always walking over, grabbing my daughter and helping her out on things like, if you do this, f happens all the time, but if it's like a one time thing, I think you're gonna be all right. And instead, you neglected this child and they lost four of their teeth.
John Shull 39:15
God damn it. Well, if it makes if it makes anything any better. I picked her up and carried her over to the like, like, table where her mom was, came over and took her to the hospital. So I did, I did something. I didn't just sit there, stand, yeah, it was completely
Nick VinZant 39:29
okay when you did it, right? Like, you were carrying a child to her mother. And the mom wasn't like, Oh my God, why are you touching my daughter? She's like, Oh God, thank you for carrying your daughter over, right? So that situation would have been fine.
John Shull 39:42
Pretty sure the first reaction was, holy shit. What did you do?
Nick VinZant 39:45
Well, yeah, that's probably a natural reaction.
John Shull 39:49
She's fine. Now, by the way, little girl's fine. No stitches, whatever. Baby teeth,
Nick VinZant 39:53
just missing her teeth. Well, it's not that big of a deal, like you can get your teeth back.
John Shull 39:57
It's fine. My number four, I put a. Sandbox.
Nick VinZant 40:01
Oh, that's boring. It's fun about a sandbox, just in the sand. It gets everywhere. There's not really that much to do. Like, why would you be in the sandbox when you got even things that aren't on my list, like the teeter totter over there. I'm like, Hey, you want to play in this sandbox and just move dirt around? Or do you want to, like, go down and have fun? Well, let's sit here.
John Shull 40:21
No, No way, man, that's sandbox are fun. You especially when you get, like, little toys in there, and you can build things like it's sandboxes are underrated, and you just proved why.
Nick VinZant 40:30
Okay, my number four is just a jungle gym, anything that you can kind of like, climb around on. They used to be those, like, tent looking, igloo looking thing. Yeah, just something to climb around on. You get to the top of them, you were like, King of the playground at the jungle gym. Like, I can get on the top and outside of it, peasants down there, trapped in it.
John Shull 40:53
So I that's actually my number two. Like climbing things, my number so I'll say my number three real fast. My number three are the swings.
Nick VinZant 41:05
I can see swings. I've never enjoyed swings. I don't have them on my list. I wouldn't even put them honorable mention. They
John Shull 41:10
make me nauseous. Oh, man, it's, I, yeah, I, they're fun. I, it's, it's similar. It's similar. Ask if you get going high enough to where, like a roller coaster, going down a hill. On a roller coaster, you can get that little weird feeling that tickle in your stomach. Like, if you go high enough, have
Nick VinZant 41:28
you ever, like, what's Have you ever gone, like, super high, like, high enough, like, Oh man, what if I'm gonna, like, wrap around this thing? Uh,
John Shull 41:37
I wouldn't say that high. But, you know, back in middle school, we used to get really high and jump off them, and definitely saw a kid either break or roll his ankle, and then we were all like, Oh, damn, maybe we shouldn't go that high. My
Nick VinZant 41:52
number three is the monkey bars. I think the monkey bars are a rite of passage at playgrounds. You got to be able to do the monkey bars. And when you can do that, you're kind of showing everybody else at the playground what's up. Like, I can do this, and now they've got monkey bars that aren't just straight. They like, go in circles. Some go up and down. Well, that's a flex. Monkey Bars is a flex,
John Shull 42:12
a flex. So that that's why I had, like climbing stuff as my number two. I know you don't necessarily climb on the monkey bars, but I included them in that. But, yeah, that's monkey bars are a big thing. Like you said, those little dome things that you can climb up the rope climbing things you know, to get up onto the structure, any kind of climbing apparatus, or something like that. That is my number two. I
Nick VinZant 42:38
feel like it was a really big deal if you could walk on top of the monkey bars. Like, that was the kid taking risks. That was the that was like, the wild kid, like, Oh, you're walking on top of the monkey bars,
John Shull 42:52
yeah, that or, uh, jumping off the top of the slide. Like, you know, down the slide, you jump off it like out of the ground. There was always kids that did that as well.
Nick VinZant 43:04
Oh, that's way too far like can you imagine if we did that now? Your whole body would shatter. I
John Shull 43:09
die. I
Nick VinZant 43:12
would put, I would have put this at number one if it was more common. But it's not common enough to be my number one, so my number two is a zip line.
John Shull 43:24
Yeah, I think, I think they weren't around when we were kids. I don't think, I think they just now are getting into search. Well, not now. I think they are in circulation now. But, yeah, it's not a very common thing. There wasn't until, what, maybe a decade ago, yeah,
Nick VinZant 43:38
there wasn't a lot when we were growing up that you had a zip line. Now it's becoming like a staple, and I'll still do a zip line at a park, like, I'm gonna get on that zip line that looks fun,
John Shull 43:47
dude. I tried, probably in the fall, and I didn't go anywhere. I went right down to the ground, and the line was like, You need to get off me. There's a weight limits. Oh,
Nick VinZant 44:01
my God, wait a minute. Like, one of the cable things that you, like, get at the top, like, you took it all the way, yeah? Like, dude, that's a sign from above. Like, you gotta do something, you know, it's a kind
John Shull 44:12
of where you sit on it, right? You wrap your legs or or whatever, and you you go. But like, when I did it, I didn't jump far enough. So, like, when I put my weight on the the thing you sit on, I just went right down into, like, the entry landing way that could go a good move.
Nick VinZant 44:28
Oh, god, yeah, dude, that's like a you gotta reevaluate your life. When that happens, you have to be like, Oh, I gotta make some changes. Well,
John Shull 44:36
yeah, children tore my back. No. Well, we were. They didn't give a shit. They just were. They were happy it was their turn. Now. They didn't care about my health. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 44:45
little kids, they don't care about that. They're like, Okay, well, it's just going, uh, what's your, yeah, right. Like, I think we probably both have what's your number
John Shull 44:52
one well, so I think our number one's unanimous, but I think we should make it just a little different and say, What kind? Oh. Oh, I
Nick VinZant 45:00
agree. I agree, I agree. So I think we
John Shull 45:03
both agree. Slide is the number one. Slide is number one, but I'm gonna say the best kind of slide is the one that is straight, but with bumps. Oh yeah, those are wild because you go over the first bump and you're like, This feels weird. And then you go over the second bump and you're like, Whoa. You're like, whoa, and then you'd go to the bottom, okay, yeah, I
Nick VinZant 45:28
don't know. I don't know enjoy that at all.
John Shull 45:31
I'm not sure why somebody made a slide like that, but it's, it's kind of fun, really. It's kind of fun. My
Nick VinZant 45:36
personal favorite slide would have to be a little bit bigger, but it's the twisty slide, and it's got like a little tunnel aspect to it, like there's a little cover part that you're going to go through a tunnel for, very briefly. That's my personal favorite kind of slide.
John Shull 45:52
Yeah? Those are, I mean, those are fun, uh, curly slides, right?
Nick VinZant 45:56
Or whatever. Twisty curly slide, yeah, right, yeah. Those are the best. Those
John Shull 46:00
are a lot of fun. My only problem with curly slides is, you know, you can get stuck, and then you gotta, you know, that's what it's actually kind of my problem with any slide, water slide, regular slide, you know, it's, sometimes you get stuck. If you're a bigger person, sometimes you're, you know, your skin stick. It's a, you know, it's a thing. It's fine. I've
Nick VinZant 46:18
never been stuck on a slide. I will say that if somebody comes to me with one of those, like rolling pins, ones that look like the kind of thing that you'd find on an assembly line, and says, Oh, that's a slide. That's not a slide. Yeah, out of here with that, yeah, that's not. Get out of here with that. That's not slide. Man, what's in your honorable mention? I don't, I don't. I mean, swings to me, I'm, I don't enjoy swings. They're not in anywhere in my top 10.
John Shull 46:42
I mean, that's in the top 10. That's That's wild. Wouldn't put swings in my top 10? I mean, I have a couple things we kind of already touched on. Most of them, I have a seesaw, teeter totter, pretty much same thing I do have. And I think these are also relatively new additions, but like the musical instruments. Like, oh
Nick VinZant 47:02
yeah, those are cool. I'll go play with those. Yeah, those are getting Ding, ding, ding. You know what? I also like the musical instruments. And then I like that thing that you can talk from one side of the playground to the other, like, it's like, the little funnel thing, and you say something, and somebody can be like, a mile away, and you'd be like, hey, Logan, yeah, hey, dude, I like those a little bit. Those are fun. I'm not. I'm I'm not opposed to a cargo net. I'm not opposed to a cargo net.
John Shull 47:27
Yeah, I like I said, kind of included that on, like, the climbing things. But cargo nets are fun. Cargo nets are yeah, those are good things.
Nick VinZant 47:35
Oh, okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps us out and let us know what you think are the best pieces of playground equipment. I don't really know how you can beat slide. I don't know how you can beat slide, but if you think you can, let us know what you think is the best i.