For the last eight years “Dace” has been legally working as a prostitute at the Mustang Ranch in Nevada. We talk becoming a legal prostitute, saving marriages, moms bringing in their sons and life on the Ranch. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Racks. No, not those racks, the other racks.
“Dace”: 01:14
Pointless: 27:15
Top 5: 44:13
Photo courtesy of “Dace” and https://www.rachelrosephoto.com/
Interview with “Dace” aka Modern Working Girl
Nick VinZant 0:00
Hi welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant Coming up in this episode working girls in raps, not those racks, like racks like rack racks.
"Dace" 0:24
I was 21 I was broke, I was about to be homeless. I was definitely starving. It sucks. It's different strokes for different folks, right? So you have to be good at coaxing out of people, their ultimate fantasy. What are you really here for us ladies in the bar, oh, we talk up a storm. When someone's mom brings their son in. I
Nick VinZant 0:44
want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener. Welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guest. Her name is da se. And for the last eight years, she has worked as a legal prostitute at the Mustang ranch in Nevada. Was this something that you kind of set out to do? Or was this something that just happened? I
"Dace" 1:19
was 21. And I was broke. I was about to be homeless. I was definitely starving, because I had to pick rent over food for a long time. And I thought honestly, I'm too young, and I'm too pretty to be struggling this hard. And I didn't want to just find some dude and get married. And I'm not very good at dancing. So I thought, well, let's go through the whole enchilada.
Nick VinZant 1:40
Did you feel a certain way about it? Like, did you feel conflicted? Or were you just like, This is what I got to do. And I'm gonna do it.
"Dace" 1:47
Oh, it was definitely this is what I have to do or be homeless. It didn't matter to me at all. I was just so happy I was going somewhere that was going to be warm, safe. Have foods. Honestly, that's all I was thinking at the time. I completely
Nick VinZant 2:01
understand that. Do you think that some people wouldn't?
"Dace" 2:04
Yeah, I think some people would be like, well, everywhere is hiring, just go get a job at McDonald's. And it's like, great. And wait two weeks to get paid $12 an hour? When I need two grand right now are they're gonna throw me out of my apartment. You know what I'm saying? So was
Nick VinZant 2:20
this something that you had done before? Or did you start right at the Mustang ranch.
"Dace" 2:25
So when I had turned 18, freshly turned 18, still in high school, I signed up to do webcaming. And I made a bit of money off of that. And all you had to do, or all I had to do at the time was at night for two hours, I would get on there, I would talk to people, I would do different things they would pay. And it was all just over video. It was never personal. I never exchanged personal information with those people. And at some point, I just stopped doing it while I was dating this guy, and I'd stopped doing it because I didn't need to. But I had that experience. And this guy propositioned me, this older man that I was not physically attracted to. And he knew that no, none of the young girls that he was looking for on these dating sites, were actually going to be attracted to him. So he offered me money to come and see him not have sex, just come see him. And I said, Okay, I'll do that. And it turns into going to have sex with him for money. And that was just, I don't know, I think about it now. And I'm like, that was wildly irresponsible. Like, I just met him first at a hotel room. And then I went to his house. And it was just very, it seemed very normal to me. He was a very nice man. It was very, I never had to do anything I didn't want to do and he would pay me more than I thought that it was worth to do these things more than I thought it was worth to have dinner with him. You pay me a couple of $100 just to sit there, but also pay for the meal. And I thought this is crazy to me. So
Nick VinZant 4:01
when did you then start working at the ranch. So that
"Dace" 4:05
wasn't until years later, I had turned 21 A memory deemed in the back of my mind from almost 10 years prior. I had seen one of these Nevada ranches on a late night HBO show, so I googled brothels in America, and three of them popped up. It was actually Mustang wasn't the first one it was the Bundy ranch. That was the one that had been on the television show and that was the Mustang ranch. And then it was a spread sherries outside of Vegas. And I submitted an application to all three they have one right on their website. It's your name three pictures of you and why do you want to suck dick for a living? What
Nick VinZant 4:41
did you put down? Like that's the job like what do you put down on that job application? Like, because everybody gets that question like Why do you want to work here? Well for money. Do you remember what you put in us?
"Dace" 4:53
I remember blowing all the smoke in the world as you do with any job application. I'm such a caregiver, I would be so attentive and personable with my class. Yeah, I told them I would be the best. Because I had a customer service background.
Nick VinZant 5:09
Do they know though that that smoke are they really like, I don't
"Dace" 5:13
know if they even read that paragraph to be honest with you.
Nick VinZant 5:16
So then you come in, they just kind of like you come in for the interview, or what do they
"Dace" 5:21
call you? They call you and they'll do like a zoom interview to make sure that you are who you say you are, and that you look like your pictures. Is
Nick VinZant 5:31
that kind of ultimately what it's about is like, Look, do you look good? And then that's pretty much all we need? Well,
"Dace" 5:37
it depends on do you look good to who because you can't just have one standard of beauty here. That's not going to it's going to sell but you're not going to meet the needs of everyone else. You have to have every age, every body type every every different race every flavor of lady you need to have here. So that's part of the madams job being a great man and filling all those needs. So but yeah, basically, if you've got the right look, and you are who you say you are.
Nick VinZant 6:04
So like when you start, like I think you just starting another job, somebody shadows you or you gotta you know, you talk to HR, you do that kind of stuff. Like, you just go in like, Okay, here's your first day and you go for it. Oh, no,
"Dace" 6:18
no, no, I had never been really in the industry. I'd never been, I'd never worked in clubs. I've never worked Street. I didn't know any other women in this industry. And I was scared. I was shaking like a leaf. The madam took my little hand and she showed me the ropes. And she was with me, maybe six, seven hours that day. And training is usually like a two and a half hour thing. I trained new girls now I'm the big sister now that I've been here eight years. But so the madam herself personally trained me for all day long, she set me up with two big sisters, and said you can go to her or her anytime and trust their opinion, trust their advice. And she took me into the bar, and I said that guy over there. And she kind of laughed at me. And he was just sitting by himself. And I was like, that's gonna be my first client. She's like, Oh, yeah, go ahead, you know, and that was my first client.
Nick VinZant 7:10
Do they pick you? Or do you pick them?
"Dace" 7:14
It depends who's been here before the clients that have been here before. They they can pick out the new girls, obviously. And you talk to them, and they're like, I remember this one guy being like, this is when you asked me back there, honey. And I was like, oh, let's go then. I guess you tell me what we're doing here. But no. So I had a big sister, I picked out that guy in the bar. That was gonna be my first client. I approached him, we had an awkward conversation for 10 minutes. And he said, this is the point at which you take me back there because he'd been here before. And I said, Okay, let me go grab my, my big sister. And she went in the room with me. And she negotiated the whole thing I had never negotiated before. I didn't know what good money was. She sold me to him for an amount of money that I was so excited for I was I was gonna cry. I was so excited. And now I wouldn't give someone the time a day for like, 15 minutes for that price. But at the time, over the moon.
Nick VinZant 8:13
How much was it at the time?
"Dace" 8:15
I can't say anything about pricing, unfortunately. But what is like, what do you have to learn?
Nick VinZant 8:19
In the sense of like, write, like, stick? Like, you know how to have sex? Like, what do you have to learn kind of how to do
"Dace" 8:28
so you're not going to reinvent the wheel? It's sex, it's different strokes for different folks, right? So you have to be good at coaxing out of people, their ultimate fantasy. What are you really here for? What do you really have to spend and you pick up different things about people that tell you how much you could ask them for in the beginning, because it's all in negotiation. If you ask for too much, they're gonna run out the door. But if you ask for too little, and they agree right away, you're kicking yourself, because you know, they've spent three times that amount.
Nick VinZant 8:58
So it's not like a set price. No, it's a negotiation. Oh, I didn't know. And every lady
"Dace" 9:03
is an independent contractor. So we all have in our heads, like a set menu of standard pricing for things. And we discussed amongst each other, what we've done for what price recently just to update each other on like the going rates.
Nick VinZant 9:21
But yeah, it's a negotiation, missionaries, this price, but if you want to go this doggy style, it's gonna cost you an extra 10 bucks. Like how much of a negotiation are we talking about? Like every little itemized thing, or just kind of like, that's
"Dace" 9:34
gonna depend on the lady. I don't really hustle people that hard about individual positions or if we do this, and then we do a little bit of that. I just say this is a fair price. This is what I'm asking for. And if they don't have it, we talk about well, how can we compromise so that you're happy and I'm happy for you? Is everything on the table? No, not everything was on the table. What is off of the table? BDSM and backdoor activities. I don't want to be beat by people because I don't trust people. And I don't want to beat anybody because I don't derive pleasure from that. Even if they are. And I just don't do backdoor activities. I don't like it.
Nick VinZant 10:16
backdoors buttstock are we talking about something else that I haven't? Yeah, but stuff he never know anymore. Right? Like there's all kinds. However people get down is however people get down now. Is that are your boundaries pretty standard? Or are you kind of are you the wild one? Are you the prude for lack of a better phrase?
"Dace" 10:37
I'm such a brothel. prude. I am I am like your standard girl next door. Good time. That's basically the only thing I want to do. I don't want to do weird shit. I don't want to do fantasy parties. We can go on and out date. I would love to go out on the town with you. But I'm just a regular girl.
Nick VinZant 10:54
Are there some women that are much more comfortable? Like, man, you're doing what?
"Dace" 10:59
Yes, yes. There. I hear stories from coworkers. And I'm like, Oh my God, you're making me blush.
Nick VinZant 11:05
So then, like, how many clients? Would you say like What's your average client a day, week, month, like, whatever timeframe
"Dace" 11:15
at this point, it's been 1000s upon 1000s. But it's quality over quantity, you want to try for at least one client a day. And if you're not going to have one client a day, maybe double up the next day? Or make sure that your big fish that's coming in that weekend?
Nick VinZant 11:31
How many do you have to have to say like, okay, I can make a viable living off of this one. Right, I just want one a day or just one period,
"Dace" 11:42
one a week, one a month, that depends on the guy. You don't you don't need a lot of regular clientele. To make a living in this industry. There are girls that don't have any regular clientele and sometimes are all the time the people that they see is the first and the last time that they're ever seen that person.
Nick VinZant 12:00
Is it more common to have regulars are more common to just be it's more common
"Dace" 12:04
to have regulars because people are going to fall in love with you, or at least like you for a long time.
Nick VinZant 12:10
Are most of the people come in? Are they really looking for sex? Is it just sex? Or is it something else?
"Dace" 12:15
I think they want to be heard. I think a lot of people, I think it's 50% of people coming in here because they need sex and that intimacy and 50% of the time, they need companionship, and they need to be heard,
Nick VinZant 12:27
is it paying by the hour or paying by the kind of service like, again,
"Dace" 12:31
that'll go back to the lady that you're negotiating with? I try to encompass the activities and the time and the price that I give. The reason
Nick VinZant 12:40
that I asked is that let's just assume it's an hour, right? Like how much of that time is actually going to be kind of doing the deed and how much of it is going to be just like, man, we're just kind of talking and I'll
"Dace" 12:49
give you an example. The very last client I saw paid for a two hour appointment. And he spent about 45 minutes, prepping for his party, showering, doing all these things while I'm in the room with him. 15 minutes for us to be together an hour and 15 minutes telling me about Han Solo in the original Star Wars. The cantina scene why it should have been different than it was I can't.
Nick VinZant 13:19
I will as a Star Wars fan, I completely ended. God, this is one of the biggest controversies in Star Wars that continues. Really is this. This is a constant source of discussion and controversy. Okay. Um, but that is interesting. Like, that's not the thing that I would have necessarily talked about. But so then what's your client like, right like, are and let's just stereotype the crap out of people to make just for reference. So we kind of understand this is the client. This is the typical client kind of the the nerdy guy, the guy cheating on his wife, the guy who feels like he has to pay for it, the guy who just wants companionship, like let's just stereotype the crap out of people. What would you say is kind of your typical client,
"Dace" 14:08
all of those men? All of those men and more recently, in the last few years, it's been couples coming in to put a bandaid on their divorce.
Nick VinZant 14:15
I don't feel like that's a great way to heal from your divorce is having sex with another woman. But I am not those people maybe. Does it seem to work?
"Dace" 14:27
No, no. The couples that come in hear that it's a band aid on a divorce situation. It's the last ditch effort one of them has made in an attempt to hold things together and say hey, no, I am really cool see I'm gonna pay for you to sleep with somebody else. And it fucking backfires.
Nick VinZant 14:48
Yeah, that's not gonna work out. I'm a married man. I ended like I would never put
"Dace" 14:53
on the on the other good idea. The other end of that we see tons more couples that come in here who are just is having a good time for the night? And that's it. And that's all that this is to them. And they can go on and have a happy marriage.
Nick VinZant 15:06
Is it exclusively men? Do you see women?
"Dace" 15:08
I see women? Yes.
Nick VinZant 15:10
Is there a lot of women by themselves? Like, what percent of your clientele would you say are just women by themselves?
"Dace" 15:15
I would say less than 1%.
Nick VinZant 15:18
Oh, so that's still not a lot necessarily. No,
"Dace" 15:21
the majority of women I see are coming in with their husband. Going
Nick VinZant 15:25
back to something that you said, like we talked about seeing 1000s and 1000s of clients. What would you say to somebody who heard that, like, Oh, my God, this woman is whatever word they want to put.
"Dace" 15:36
I'd be like, yeah, baby. I've written enough dicks to ride to the moon and back.
Nick VinZant 15:44
Are some but do do other women struggle with it? Like you seem to be like, Fuck it, this is what I do, but to other women seem to struggle with they do.
"Dace" 15:51
And I just don't know what to tell those people. It's the same people that are out here trying to control everyone else's decisions. It's like if it doesn't affect you.
Nick VinZant 16:02
Could you ever see your life changing though?
"Dace" 16:06
I, when I'm not going to be doing full service active sex work anymore. I want to be in a management position here. I've expressed that to management. And they've been very receptive to that. So that's my path moving forward. I do it because I need to educate people that this is normal. Normal women like myself do this. And we have normal lives. And we have cats and dogs and we've tried to grow shit in the springtime.
Nick VinZant 16:32
Are you ready for some listener submitted questions? Let's do it. How competitive is this? Like? Are there a lot of women that are trying to get in this field? Or are you trying to find people to do it?
"Dace" 16:43
It's very competitive. We get hundreds of applications a week here. That's what the man himself told me. I don't see any applications. I don't. I don't I can't put a good word in edgewise for any ladies looking to get into the business. But we're always hiring. And there's several new ladies that start every week. I'm very aware that this is a privileged industry, that there's only 22 legal ranches. They're only in Nevada. A lot of women can't find childcare to fly across the country and make that happen. Do
Nick VinZant 17:14
you have a schedule? Like do you work like nine to five? Like what's Yes,
"Dace" 17:18
I do have a set schedule. It's 9am to 9pm. All the ladies here work 12 hour shifts every day of our tour. tours can range from seven days to you can arrange it with the MME, but they only want you to stay for three weeks and then take a break for your mental health. And then you can come back. But
Nick VinZant 17:35
then like how do you work around? Men straight a woman's natural cycle?
"Dace" 17:42
So you, you just we use period sponges from Europe to mask it. They're specifically made for ministration. We have read condoms, the client can't see it. They don't know what's there. And we don't disclose that information. And I've only had one person ever make me feel bad about it. And thank God I had a co worker with me it was a two girl party and she we just we just doubled back down on him like you've been married 35 buckin years. You've never seen a period before we'll get it all the way out of here. What? But
Nick VinZant 18:15
will you will you turn down clients and be like, No, not no, no. Oh, yeah. Not doing
"Dace" 18:20
it. Yes. I would never say that to their face. I would never make someone feel offended or less than if for whatever reason, I don't want to see them. I tell them it is an astronomical price that they couldn't possibly afford. This
Nick VinZant 18:34
it is that mainly looks or personality. It's all personality.
"Dace" 18:36
I'm not I'm not sitting there judging people based on the way they look, I can find if I can find one thing to like about you. We can have a good time. But if you're a piece of shit, I just cannot be around you.
Nick VinZant 18:49
Do you? Is there a kind of like a type of guy that you generally kind of like, Oh, that's my type. That's the guy that's gonna pick
"Dace" 18:56
me. Nice middle aged man.
Nick VinZant 18:58
How much do you make doing this?
"Dace" 19:00
It varies. On a really good year, you can make more than a quarter million dollars or my my best year to date I did 256 Just here. And then I still had my only fans and I still had real estate investments and my portfolio making money. OSHA you're investing in everything. I've been doing this business for eight years, and you can blow a lot of money but you you're making a lot of money. So you should do something with it. Kind of like a bell curve like a professional athlete. You have all this time to make all this money. And then it drops off and what are you going to do with the rest of your life?
Nick VinZant 19:33
Is that what's the most you've ever heard of somebody making any year? One
"Dace" 19:37
time I asked them Adam on a particularly good month, if I had been taught Booker that month. And she said you are but it's not the most I've ever seen. I was like, I was shocked. I thought well, what's the most you've ever seen in a single month? And she said 289,000. Is
Nick VinZant 19:55
that going to be quality versus quantity? Yeah,
"Dace" 19:58
that's that's the big prices are always quality versus quantity. And those are always the people that are much easier to deal with the man who's going to drop the price of a brand new truck on you for the weekend. He's probably only going to have sex with you twice.
Nick VinZant 20:13
What's the most one person? What's the most one person has ever done on like a one time thing?
"Dace" 20:18
I don't think I can say the number because it's still, I'm not allowed to say prices with x. But I'll tell you it was a blue collar man, and he put it on three different credit cards.
Nick VinZant 20:28
Can you save a number of figures? In the sense like four? Oh, is
"Dace" 20:34
it five, five figures?
Nick VinZant 20:36
Oh, do they have to go through like tests? Like how do you make sure you're not picking all kinds of stuff up, people
"Dace" 20:42
get the IQ and I get it. I'm OCD myself. But we get tested here every seven days. In fact, you can still see the little mark on my arm, they just did my bloodwork last night, that's part of our testing, they do your bloodwork. And you get that repeated every seven days. So we're fully protected here. And then we use protection for everything and there's no body fluid exchange. So we're as safe as we can be. And then we have because HSV one and two can be transmitted via shedding of skin cells. When you're not even having an active outbreak. We have people shower, hot, soapy shower right before the experience, even if they just took a shower. And they drove over here five minutes from their house, get right back in the shower, scrub down, I've had to put grown men back in my shower and be like, I know you didn't wash, I'm gonna wash you. So we're as safe as we can be. In nothing's 1,000%. That being said, we have kept medical records. Since 1971 is when the state mandated that we have this rigorous testing schedule. We've kept medical records since then, and no one has ever gotten anything, not a girl receiving something from a client, not a client, contracting anything from us. And that's also why that we're required to live here for our clients medical safety. So I'm away from my husband, this is my bedroom for the whole 13 days that I'm here this trip. And that is so that they can know exactly where I am and what I'm doing 24/7 otherwise they can't guarantee the client's medical safety.
Nick VinZant 22:23
Will people ever tried to like not wear a condom? They'll ask. I would imagine what your answer is. Yes. You ever had somebody back out?
"Dace" 22:31
Oh, yeah, that's happened before and after they've handed me the money. And after you hand me the money, you're not getting the money back. The
Nick VinZant 22:37
one that always like fascinates me is like Do you ever have like dads who bring their son? Oh,
"Dace" 22:42
yeah. Oh, yeah. The weirder one, though. And the more common one is mothers that bring their sons that really have that happens way more often than dads bringing their sons? Do people feel odd
Nick VinZant 22:53
about that? Yeah. Yeah,
"Dace" 22:55
I know we do. As ladies in the bar, oh, we talk up a storm when someone's mom brings their son in. And it's clearly an uncomfortable situation. There are certain situations where that's totally fine. I talked to plenty of mothers with disabled sons, adult disabled sons. That's I don't give a rip about that. But if you're bringing your freshly 18 year old baby in here, and you're picking out the girl, he's going to have its first time with Lady talk to somebody.
Nick VinZant 23:24
That's a little bit Well, women turn him down.
"Dace" 23:27
I will. Someone will take their money. But I turned all of those parties
Nick VinZant 23:31
down, or is there a male? Is there a man who worked there? There
"Dace" 23:35
are no men who work here currently, because of the way the county laws our state laws in Nevada would completely allow for that.
Nick VinZant 23:42
What would you say is kind of the difference between people who do this on the legal side versus people who do it on the illegal side?
"Dace" 23:48
There's nothing there's nothing but opportunity. Those women just don't have the opportunity to come out here and do this. Like I said, because it's a childcare issue. It's a location issue. It's a support issue.
Nick VinZant 24:00
Yeah, does it feel a lot safer?
"Dace" 24:03
It is a lot safer. And it feels that way because it is
Nick VinZant 24:07
Do you think that like this should be legal nationwide?
"Dace" 24:10
Yes. And legal being the key term not decriminalized? Not just turn a blind eye and give a free for all to everybody needs to be legal regulated, taxed?
Nick VinZant 24:22
Are you good at it? Are you there asking? Are you good at sex? Like do you feel like I'm pretty good at it?
"Dace" 24:28
Oh, why don't you come out here and find out? No.
Nick VinZant 24:32
Yes, I feel that's a great I feel like
"Dace" 24:34
I'm great at it. Like I said you can't reinvent the wheel but but
Nick VinZant 24:38
have you ever had somebody just rock your world? Oh, yeah. Like, Oh, yeah.
"Dace" 24:42
recently. I walked a man out about three months ago and I said look at that face. Ladies. Remember that face? That's the second best day of my life.
Nick VinZant 24:51
What did he do? Did you like what was his strategy? I need some tips for my wife. God he
"Dace" 24:56
just he just laid it on me. It's like we psychologically he may But I needed, we were just twin flames.
Nick VinZant 25:06
Is that unusual? Or most people just kind of, I'm just gonna use I'm just gonna say this our most is that unusual or most people kind of like pumping away?
"Dace" 25:15
It most people are there for themselves. Which is fine. It's fine. I don't go to the nail salon and ask my nail tech like, how are you today? Are you comfortable? Do you need any like, I'm there I pay you, I leave? For a lot of people. That's what this is. And that's fine. What
Nick VinZant 25:32
is your most frequent request? What is your most unusual request?
"Dace" 25:38
The most frequent request is the standard half and half. And that's a little bit ahead and a little bit of whatever position they like.
Nick VinZant 25:44
Yeah, that's really all the questions I got. Is there anything else that you think that we missed? Or? What's kind of how can if people want to learn more and visit you or just you could
"Dace" 25:55
find me on the TIC tock and the Instagram? The modern Working Girl official is my name on both of those platforms. I'm really just out here to educate women, especially women who are in my industry and who are looking for a safer option.
Nick VinZant 26:09
Do some women like have no idea what they're getting into? Yes, yeah.
"Dace" 26:13
And I think about all the girls that are out there doing right now what I'm doing here in the safe space, and they're just as naive and sweet and tender hearted as I am. And they're out there. And I wish they were here. You know, I think about them a lot. Is
Nick VinZant 26:30
that kind of a commonality. For a lot of women who do this, that they were in a situation where they had to do what they had to do? Yeah,
"Dace" 26:40
I don't think any, a woman wakes up and says, You know what, today I'm going to suck strangers sticks.
Nick VinZant 26:48
I want to thank da say so much for joining us if you want to connect with her, we have linked to her on our social media sites. We're Profoundly Pointless on tik, Tok, Instagram, and YouTube. And we have also included her information in the episode description. If you want to see more of this interview, the YouTube version will be live on March 21 at 12:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of the show. What's your favorite season of the year?
John Shull 27:22
I feel like it's universal for everybody. I feel like summer, however, I'm going to be different and say I actually prefer fall I think so
Nick VinZant 27:32
your universal theory is not correct because I pulled the audience. Summer is second fall is number one. I personally think that spring is the best season of the year because it's full of hope. I think that people are a little bit nicer, a little bit cheery in spring. But spring is actually last summer is fall is number 140 3% Summer number 230 8%. Spring 10% and winter 11%.
John Shull 28:00
I don't think anybody looks at Spring and thinks, man that's hope right there.
Nick VinZant 28:06
It's new life. But also Seattle is very dreary in the winter. So maybe I'm maybe I'm just a little biased to that. But I think spring is an underrated season. Lots of promise in spring.
John Shull 28:18
Last week, we had two days where it was 65 degrees.
Nick VinZant 28:21
We got to know we're talking we're talking about the weather. I just realized that that this entire episode started off with us talking about the weather. Does this Okay? Does I have never really been annoyed by small talk to small talk annoy you it doesn't bother me at all. I actually kind of enjoy it.
John Shull 28:37
I think anyone who listens to this podcast would think you hate small talk.
Nick VinZant 28:42
I don't like talking really about movies or celebrities or sports or things like that. I actually would rather talk about the weather, then movies,
John Shull 28:51
I will say fall is my favorite season. Because not only does it have usually the best temperatures of the year, but it's probably the best food. Summer is the best food and the fall you at least have usually three or four, two or three weeks where it's just kind of chilly out and you have some chili. Maybe something else maybe some stew.
Nick VinZant 29:15
I think that summer has the best food. You're talking about pie hotdogs, cheeseburgers, ice cream, summer America food,
John Shull 29:27
but are you okay with small talk with people you don't know say your say you're on an airplane? Are you going to be okay with somebody next to you just talking the entire flight?
Nick VinZant 29:37
No, because I'm never going to see that person again. I don't want somebody I'm never going to see in my entire life talking to me all the time. But if it's somebody in your daily occurrence, and you have to make small talk, because how else are you going to find out? If you know that person? Are you going to like that person or maybe you're going to be friends with that person or whatever. Like you've got to have the small talk to get through anything else. You gotta do the basics. Are
John Shull 29:59
you okay? I hear okay, here's my problem with small talk is I feel like everyone's answers are predetermined. For the most part. I feel like small talk is the most in or on personable conversation you can have with somebody.
Nick VinZant 30:15
But I think that you have to have that to get to the other stuff.
John Shull 30:19
Okay, well as a shout out, Tom. Yeah, yeah,
Nick VinZant 30:22
go ahead.
John Shull 30:23
J. Lopez. Frank saute. It's stuff that can't be right. Patrick Carroll, J. White. Nick sown Gabrielle. Fernandez, Billy bliss. Justin war, w o r r. And we're gonna end on Matt synth has Jr. cool shit. All of you for checking us out this week. All right. All right. We're back to just I just want your first impressions here. Okay, I'll bring up a topic you just give me your first impression. The royal family in this picture gates,
Nick VinZant 31:01
I'm fascinated. I love it. I love it. Both you and I come from working in media, you still work in media? I do public relations stuff. I'm fascinated by it. Because whatever the real answer is, has to be much worse than all of the conspiracy theories. And I love I don't believe them. But I love a good conspiracy theory.
John Shull 31:21
I just I don't get it. Obviously, something is way worse than the royal family is is leading on? Because why wouldn't you now what it's been almost two months? Why wouldn't you just come out and say something of validity? It just it makes no sense. There
Nick VinZant 31:40
has to be whatever the reason is, there has to be more of a reason behind that. Right? So let's just say it's her health. Well, it can't just be her health, it also has to be something that she really doesn't want revealed. So it has to be not only the reason, but then another reason behind that reason. So whatever the truth is, it has to be so much worse for them just to like not say anything. When you're getting us talking about it. It's a big deal.
John Shull 32:10
I did read one thing, and this is all this. The last thing I'll say about it was that what if this is all a PR stunt by the Royals to gain interest in the royal family again?
Nick VinZant 32:24
Well, they need flown too close to the sun. Because now it's swung in the other direction.
John Shull 32:33
Yeah, but you know, that it's gonna come back around that, you know, we always wanted our privacy and this and that. I'm sorry. To me when you are a royal or somebody in that kind of, I guess celebrity sphere. You don't really have it. I mean, I get family privacy, but it's been two months now and nobody knows, you know, you're editing photos. You're you know, false information. Just one sentence.
Nick VinZant 33:02
That's why the whatever the truth is, has to be so much worse. Like it has to be so much worse. And people that it always comes out they always find out.
John Shull 33:11
It is weird, very weird. Okay. All right. Joanne fabrics.
Nick VinZant 33:18
I hate Joanne fabrics. I loathe Joanne fabrics, Joanne fabrics and Michaels and any of those kinds of stores are the only stores that I go into and start to feel physically sick. I feel ill going into a Joanne fabrics or a Michaels it makes me nauseous.
John Shull 33:39
Now let me ask you Are you okay with like a hobby lobby? Oh, okay.
Nick VinZant 33:43
Any of those kinds of stores where it is just for me personally? Just crap. Like this is all just crap to me. It's it's your thing that's cool. It's not my thing. But I walk in there and I feel physically sick
John Shull 34:01
Hey, well good. Good news for you Joanne fabrics filed for bankruptcy so they may not be around for much longer.
Nick VinZant 34:08
I can't believe a store like that even exists to be honest with you.
John Shull 34:12
It is it does shock me every time you see a brick and mortar like that that is still around and has been around for many years. What what would be a more distressful place to you hell or spring spring Bay break in Jacksonville Beach
Nick VinZant 34:31
I get it well hell dude. I mean I'm not I'm not gonna I don't I don't care what like how bad spring break in Jacksonville Beach is I'm still don't want to go to hell. That's pretty easy answer like the worst place imaginable. Or Jacksonville. I get that question. But now I see those spring break things and I just want Oh God, I want nothing to do with that. Oh, yeah, I
John Shull 34:55
don't want I don't at all. And it's Did you ever When you were in high school or college did you ever travel from from, you know, a home to go to Florida for spring break? No,
Nick VinZant 35:08
I never did any spring break stuff. Even in college. I never did any springs break stuff. One time when I was 18. I went to Cancun for a senior year trip. But other than that, like a large number of drunk, hot, sweaty people is something that I would really like to avoid.
John Shull 35:25
Yeah, and now it seems I obviously you can't end spring break. But you know, Miami had the crack down. What was it last year? Now it's Jacksonville. I just nothing about that seems enticing to me.
Nick VinZant 35:39
I think there's also something about it when you get like the rookie kind of phenomenon in which it's people who aren't usually partying, or the people who are so hard partying, like you get either this side or you get that side. And there's not really that middle ground to kind of balance everything out. It's either the first timers or the like, I haven't been to class and six years timers. And that's just not a good combination. To me. I look at it and like oh, I don't want anything to do with that.
John Shull 36:08
I will say in kind of relation to that. So St. Patrick's Day, it was just this past Sunday. And I had absolutely no desire to do anything. I didn't want to go to the bars. I don't want to go out Sunday morning. Nothing. Hmm. I'd
Nick VinZant 36:27
like a good Saturday, St. Patrick's Day. I like a good Cinco Demayo. I would actually put those days up above New Year's.
John Shull 36:35
Okay, all right. I mean, maybe if I was 10 years younger, maybe but not now. Not sleeping. Good. Ah. Does this does the NCAA division one Men's Basketball Tournament? Do you care at all about that?
Nick VinZant 36:53
My only thing that annoys me about that is all the analysts acting as if they've spent the entire season watching East Jacksonville Central State University and now they somehow know something about it when they have absolutely no idea until they looked at the roster sheet five minutes before who even plays on the team. So that's the only thing that annoys me is people acting like oh, yeah, that's that guy. And he's totally got to watch out for him. They have no idea what they're talking about. Just not otherwise. I like it. I like a good bracket.
John Shull 37:23
Kind of a follow up to that. The Long Beach State, the Long Beach State Beach, men's basketball team made the tournaments with a coach of whom they fired the week before the tournament. So he's going to coach them even though even though he knows he won't have a job after the tournament, and he led them to their first NCAA tournaments I think ever I mean what a terrible way What a terrible thing. Did
Nick VinZant 37:52
he get fired? Because he wasn't a good coach or did you get fired for something else? Ah, I in something else then. Yeah. Like stealing office supplies? Like well,
John Shull 38:05
not not entirely sure. But he seems to be I mean, he's been there since 2012. So Oh, wow. That doesn't
Nick VinZant 38:12
never shake thing up man. Maybe got him the motivation you needed hope. The hope the best for everybody.
John Shull 38:19
Well, I don't know about you, but I put my money on Long Beach State Beach. That's even
Nick VinZant 38:22
though I believe there's a school named Long Beach how many analyst experts are there suddenly about Long Beach State Beach, following the team the whole year watched every game.
John Shull 38:33
I will say this that March Madness and for our international viewers, if you're not familiar with it, it's basically 64 teams Division one. NCAA basketball, they go into a bracket they play and they they're seated right so one through 16 Sometimes you have 15 seeds like like the Long Beach states beat a Kentucky and that's huge. I was gonna say I don't think there's any other tournament like that in the world, in sports to where you could have an a single elimination So you only have one game to either show up or not show up. And I don't think there's another sport Pro or college that's like that. It's pretty enthralling. Really.
Nick VinZant 39:09
I think it's I think it's a good example of what happens when somebody gets an opportunity that you can look at this one thing and think that oh, it's so good and all this kind of stuff. But when sometimes when you give people opportunity, you can be surprised.
John Shull 39:23
By one shot one opportunity.
Nick VinZant 39:26
What's as the rest of it go? You got one shot room to move. Mom's spaghetti that's dealing with Nightline that I remember
John Shull 39:33
Maspeth Tara sorry. You know if Eminem is listening to this, I apologize but his pop up restaurant in Detroit. If you're ever thinking about visiting the trade for that just for that alone. You should not just come to the tray for mom's spaghetti. It's not worth it.
Nick VinZant 39:45
Oh, well, you don't live in Detroit. So
John Shull 39:50
whatever. Mountain St. Helens Oh
Nick VinZant 39:53
man, I live in Seattle. That's close to me, man. That's a big deal. I don't think like and rainier which isn't even bigger mountain. I think it's always been a bigger mountain. I think that Mount St. Helens kind of like lost some height after it exploded. But like, you see Mount Rainier, which is close by, and then you think like, oh, that's a massive volcano. You better watch out. Like you, we think that we're pretty sweet. But nature is still in control.
John Shull 40:20
you've ever been on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean, and you just look out and you just see nothing? But blue to black water? And you're like, Wow, maybe we are just little specks of, of nothing. Yeah. I was gonna ask you about the crazy day. That was the NFL free agency swaps. But to be honest with you, I don't know. I'm gonna ask you. Yeah, who some players are, you know? So in saying and saying that? I will ask you. Caitlin Clark. Do you care? Do you not care?
Nick VinZant 40:55
Oh, she seems like she's great. I don't know anything about it. I think the ultimate question is always right, like, what would they do on a men's team? And I think that that's always going to be a big struggle with women's sports, because men will always wonder well, like, how would they compare to a men's team? But she's a fantastic player doing great things for the sport.
John Shull 41:15
Here's, here's the reason why I bring it up, as she said a bunch of records, maybe all of them really? It seems like people are breaking records and setting records, at a rapid pace in the pros and college everywhere. Do you think it's because the athletes are just getting that much better? Yeah, or because they're playing that much longer because of the way that we can take care of ourselves comparatively to how people used to take care of themselves even 40 years ago.
Nick VinZant 41:46
I think that just athletes are getting that much better. And that's why I never understand people who are on TV or people who make these arguments. Well, back in the day, they used to be better. Like no, they weren't. The athletes of today would always beat the athletes of yesterday. They were always better. The ones today are always better. There is in technology that gets worse over time for the most part and listen to complete decision by that company. So technology always gets better and the athletes always get better. There is no athlete of yesterday, who was better than the athletes of today. It doesn't compare. They're always better.
John Shull 42:20
Alright, two more things here. green beer.
Nick VinZant 42:25
Oh, goods Cool, good. Hey, man, sell the bear. Right? Whatever you need to do dyed green. Like all okay, cool. I mean, that's, I think it's an amazing in the sense that like, that's really all it takes. That's really all it takes for us to do. So like go buy it. Turn it green. Like that's all we need. Any experience is a good excuse.
John Shull 42:46
And finally, would you say the leprechaun is the worst? I guess mascot for any of the major holidays.
Nick VinZant 42:55
It has to be. I mean, I hope that people aren't going to take that in an offensive way but the mascot has to be the worst of all of the major holidays right? Because you got the Easter Bunny the easter bunnies above the leprechaun? Obviously Santa Claus is above the leprechaun? Halloween any of those characters are above the leprechaun
John Shull 43:16
That's it right Oh, the turkey even turkeys are above leprechaun? Oh,
Nick VinZant 43:19
yeah. Turkeys above leprechauns. Now that said is Cupid above leprechauns though. I would say Cupid's probably above leprechauns too, to be honest with you.
John Shull 43:30
Yeah, by far for sure. 100%. Now if like
Nick VinZant 43:34
Flag Day had a mascot, so the leprechaun is the worst of the mascots. But that's because other holidays are so bad. They don't even have mascot. So it's like the worst of the best.
John Shull 43:48
I mean, it flag they had a giant flag as a mascot, it would still be better than a leprechaun? Oh, well.
Nick VinZant 43:58
Depends on the flag. I mean, if it was like a really sweet design, then I might have to go with it. But I would my gut reaction is to say No, I disagree with you. But if it was a sweet flag, if I can, it's pretty cool flag.
John Shull 44:11
All right, that's it. Let's move on. All right.
Nick VinZant 44:13
So our top five is a different one. We'll see how this works out. Top five racks. What's your number five
John Shull 44:26
man, I want to be so inappropriate. However,
Nick VinZant 44:29
that one rack is not going to it's not on my list because I felt like that was too far. But obviously that would be number one.
John Shull 44:36
Yeah, that would be the man or men or women. I
Nick VinZant 44:39
think that's the easy number one. So yeah, chess rack would be the number one rack but we're not including chest racks. Were that.
John Shull 44:49
Were that out of the way. My number five is I'm gonna go with a cooling rack.
Nick VinZant 44:55
Oh, okay. Okay, that's not something a lot lot of people are going to have, but I see the purposes of it. Are you going to put a cooling rack above a drying rack?
John Shull 45:06
No, but I think cooling racks are important. I don't think people if you have them, you understand the importance of them, whether it's for cookies, or for whatever, anything coming out of an oven or a toaster oven, or anything. They're very important. And they're very, I think undervalued, kitchen, utensils, supplies, whatever. Dork.
Nick VinZant 45:31
How many racks do you have? How many columns do you have? How many do you got?
John Shull 45:37
Mean thinking about what I have? Probably for?
Nick VinZant 45:43
Why? What do you have for cooling racks? And just for clarification, how many pairs of tongs do you have right now?
John Shull 45:53
They're probably 10 to 12 pairs of tongs and for cooling racks.
Nick VinZant 45:56
When have you ever cooled more than one thing at a time? Been like you know what? I got a lot of things cooking, you can only have one thing in the oven. So why would you need more than one cooling rack?
John Shull 46:09
Well, I mean, you know if if you're using a toaster oven, using the regular oven,
Nick VinZant 46:15
and this is how they tell me what tell me exactly a situation in which you needed more than one cooling rack. I
John Shull 46:22
mean, Taco Tuesday nights when you're making some toast, data's maybe trying to warm the the taco shells, take them out, put them on the cooling rack, etc. Okay.
Nick VinZant 46:34
I mean, it's so that's one. That's one thing that you're using, what do you need the other three cooling racks for you make pizza. But you're actually USC, you're not giving me an example of when you're using two cooling racks at this. I just did I just did you put a taco and red on the other. You made tacos and you made pizza at the same time? No,
John Shull 46:53
no, it's two cooling racks for the same meal.
Nick VinZant 46:56
So you made tacos and pizza at the same time. No,
John Shull 47:00
no, no, no, no. Let's just go back to making pizza I put the pizza on one cooling rack the breadsticks on another cooling rack. Okay, so but you have
Nick VinZant 47:10
actually done that? Yes. Okay, now that would work as an example. Because the example you were giving me before just two different instances of when you could use a rack, as opposed to the time when you needed to use both racks at the same time. That's what I'm saying. Anyways, what's
John Shull 47:25
your number five still
Nick VinZant 47:26
have two extra racks that are unaccounted for. Even if you have pizza and breadsticks going at the same time, you still have two extra racks that you don't need. I'm just trying to help you save money. And you're resisting it because you just want to have more stuff that you don't need. That's already spent. So I know but you're gonna go farther and you're gonna get another rack. And you're gonna get another rack. Maybe
John Shull 47:45
maybe don't get one by this. By the time we record next week, and I'll wear it on my head.
Nick VinZant 47:50
Just think to yourself, do I need this? Do I need this or do I want this?
John Shull 47:56
Trust me, I think about that every day.
Nick VinZant 48:01
answer is both.
John Shull 48:05
Yeah, yeah. Come on.
Nick VinZant 48:07
My number five is a roof rack. Roof Rack. Okay,
Unknown Speaker 48:10
great thing, but
Nick VinZant 48:12
the only problem that I have with it is you got to put stuff on the roof. And you generally don't want to do that. Like I don't want to go up there.
John Shull 48:19
So I actually I have that. So we'll, we'll come to my two minutes. My number four is a power rack. Oh, could
Nick VinZant 48:29
you lift it now?
John Shull 48:32
Well, I've always been a fan of power racks. You can squat you can do it. I mean, they're they're so universal. I mean potato I mean, BIA exactly basic stuff. But I mean, they're pivotal to core and strength training.
Nick VinZant 48:47
Okay, for people who aren't familiar, a power rack is basically the thing that you like, you go to the gym, and people will be like squatting in it, benching in it, or just standing in it for most of the gyms that I go to just standing there, really? Okay, that's a good one. My number four is a bike rack. I think without bike racks there would be chaos in the world. Just bikes everywhere. You got to have bike racks.
John Shull 49:11
I don't have bike rack V bike rack on my list, but I can see why you would have bike rack on the list. It would
Nick VinZant 49:17
be chaos man, who would be pure chaos without bike racks in the world.
John Shull 49:23
So my number three is car rack.
Nick VinZant 49:27
Okay, okay, I can call it a roof rack. I don't know why we call it a car, right?
John Shull 49:32
I mean, car rack, roof rack, truck rack, Muck rack, whatever you want to call it.
Nick VinZant 49:38
Okay, okay. My number three is a clothing rack.
John Shull 49:43
Okay, okay. All right. Yeah, nothing.
Nick VinZant 49:49
I got another All right. This is gonna be this is gonna be the there's gonna be the big ones. What's your number two?
John Shull 49:56
A sales wreck.
Nick VinZant 50:00
I have sales rack at number one. I think sales rack is the best kind of rack.
John Shull 50:07
Oh, no. Oh no, my friend. My number one is the best kind of rack. Either way, maybe better than the racks we were talking about before we got into the top five list. It
Nick VinZant 50:19
definitely would change as you get older like it was I was a younger man, the chest rack would be the number one. But as I've gotten older, I found that honestly, it's probably the sales rack is my favorite kind of rack as I've gotten older, but my number two is probably your number one, which is the spice rack.
John Shull 50:38
No, actually, I didn't even put spice rack on my list.
Nick VinZant 50:42
You're gonna have four different cooling racks and 15 tongs and you don't even have spice rack on your list.
John Shull 50:49
Spice Rack is good. It's on my own. It's one of my the few things that are on my honorable mention.
Nick VinZant 50:55
I don't know how you leave spice rack off the list. So
John Shull 50:58
my number one is meat rack. Maybe back ribs. A rack of ribs a rack of lamb. Rack of sausage, give me all the meats. Give me a rack of meats. It's the best kind of rack.
Nick VinZant 51:17
How many meat racks do you have?
John Shull 51:21
I mean, that's a tough question. To be honest. I mean, I, I for sure have two of them. But I don't know if they classify as a as a meat rack.
Nick VinZant 51:32
Okay, it's debatable. All right.
John Shull 51:37
Take away the rack part of it. And just the meat itself a rack of ribs. You know, rack of lamb like yes, yes.
Nick VinZant 51:48
That's pretty good. Do you have anything in your honorable mention?
John Shull 51:51
Well, I did have a supply strike. The reason why I didn't put spice rack on my list is I have one but I that's pretty messy. They're not necessarily always in the spice rack. That makes any sense. So if I was more capable, I would probably put it on my top five but because I'm sloppy. It's not. But I have that I have I have a cooling or an oven rack. I'm sorry. And then a drying rack. That was that was it. Okay,
Nick VinZant 52:22
I think you would have more room for your spice rack. If you didn't have all this other crap that you don't need. I think that would be an easier thing. Like I'm just trying to help you out and I don't understand why you were so resistant to my aid.
John Shull 52:36
I'm sorry, did you say you have AIDS
Nick VinZant 52:41
The only other thing that I have on honorable mentioned is a hat rack.
John Shull 52:46
Hat racks are good. And once again maybe like what you said about something earlier maybe it was like 15 years younger. But now as I get older I'm realizing that I have a full head of hair. And I should not cover it all the time with hats.
Nick VinZant 52:59
Yeah, if you have you see somebody wearing a lot of hats you know that they're that is a person that's going to be bald or is bald or balding, right or is
John Shull 53:09
very angry all the time?
Nick VinZant 53:13
Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps us out and let us know what you think are the best kind of racks. I know that's kind of a stupid topic. But I thought of it on a Friday after having a bunch of edibles and I was like, This is too stupid not to do