Chain Whips, Fire Whips, Bull Whips, making up new lyrics to popular songs while whipping, Jack Lepiarz - aka Jacquez Ze Whipper - can do anything with a whip. We talk growing up in the circus, the rising popularity of Renaissance Faires and musical whipping. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Flavors of Doritos.
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Interview with Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper / Jacquez the Whipper)
Nick VinZant 0:00
Hi welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant. Coming up in this episode, the circus, renaissance fairs and Doritos, whether
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 0:22
it's target cutting with the whip, lighting a whip on fire, fancy whip cracking there's there's a whole other set. I think Renaissance Fair is it's a place where you can go and be yourself no matter how weird yourself is
Nick VinZant 0:51
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener. Welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. I want to get right to our first guest. This is circus and Renaissance Fair performer Jack lip ers, perhaps better known as Jack zipper. So how did you get into this? I
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 1:23
grew up in the circus I so my dad when I was a kid was working with Big Apple Circus. And we left the circus when I was six, and started doing renaissance fairs around the country. My dad eventually started his own show did school assembly programs, theater programs. So I had that taste of the life all through my childhood. And at the same time, my mother was a college professor, she's now retired in Florida. And so I still got a normal education on top of
Nick VinZant 1:52
it. Looking back was that kind of an interesting life is definitely
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 1:56
an interesting life. Being the circus kid is really cool when you're six, and it stops being cool around 12 Up until I would say like college. So like that whole stretch of like middle school high school. Not a fun time.
Nick VinZant 2:10
We all have those teenage experiences, like I don't want to be my parents. But then how do you how did you find yourself back in it?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 2:16
So that's, that's a really easy question. I was actually I was working for an ice cream shop, and I was making 625 an hour. My dad called me he was like, I need you. I need some help with this show. I will pay you I think it was the equivalent of $50 an hour. And I was like, oh, oh, okay. All right. You can you can make a living with this and much better than, you know, the minimum wage at the time. And so I was I think it was 16 then and I hadn't done anything with him for about five, six years. And suddenly I was like, oh, okay, well, let's let's start relearning some of these skills, learning skills that I never had in the first place. And then when I went off to college, it was like, All right, I can go back to scooping ice cream, or I can just, you know, go out on the streets of Boston and just st perform and see if I can make some money that way. And it turned out that just by St. performing in like September, October, and then again in April, May when it was warm enough, I could make enough to kind of like have spending money throughout the year.
Nick VinZant 3:13
I wouldn't say necessarily lucrative but that's the first word that jumps into my mind. Like you can do this full time and be good.
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 3:22
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So my dad has been a full time circus performer his entire, essentially his entire adult life. He worked when he was very, very young, kind of worked in the factory, drove cab just to kind of like pay the bills. But since I would say about 30 years old, he has been a full time circus or Renaissance, fair performer, no side, hustle, nothing, nothing like that. And he, he let's put it this way. He's put multiple children through college. With that. It is I think there's this image of circus people and Ren Faire people have, you know, they're there because they don't have anywhere else to go. But if you have the right skills, it can be a very good career. There
Nick VinZant 4:02
are a lot of people that have those right skills, like you can do this, but you got to be really good. I
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 4:08
think where you get the most is sort of in my line of work where you're the variety act, you're not, let's say a member of the cast at the renaissance fair. You're not working at a booth or something like that. So when you have a variety act, whether it's myself someone like pellagra bonds or the juggler you're an Arizona so like Adam, when rich at the Arizona renaissance fair, those are people who can make a solid living in and support themselves off of that.
Nick VinZant 4:33
Now when you do like kind of the variety show for people who aren't familiar I know that you're known mainly for the whipping. But what all kind of what's the show? What do you do all that kind of stuff?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 4:43
Well, so just a comeback track of variety show is sort of anything that's not let's say doing Shakespeare, so just variety circus tricks. So my big thing that I do that you see on tick tock Instagram, all that is the musical whipping. So I'll take two whips use them to make a beat. And then I will improvise lyrics as best I can on the fly with what the audience gives me. And that's what gets posted to social media because that's all improv I kind of relate it to it's like a stand up comedians crowd work, it's because it's different every show. I'm fine putting that up there. But then after that, I have, I would say about 45 minutes of completely, you know, scripted material, that is a mix of stand up and circus tricks. So whether it's target cutting with the whip, lighting, a whip on fire, fancy whip cracking, there's there's a whole other set of the show that does not get posted, because that's scripted material. And you have to come see the show in person to see that.
Nick VinZant 5:42
But why did you gravitate towards the whip?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 5:44
So when I was a kid, my dad did whip cracking, and Indiana Jones. So I think those two things I basically, when I was a kid, it seemed cool. And I had easy access to it. So you know, the whip that I first learned on was one of my dad's old Whips that was made by the guy who made the whips for the original Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones. So that was the whip that thing is worth like $2,000 today. And that was the whip he handed to a seven year old to learn how to use which is not a good idea. I do not advise teaching seven year olds to crack whips. Yeah, that's
Nick VinZant 6:20
kind of a more dangerous thing, right? Like I don't know if you can do that today, like here three years ago,
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 6:26
not as dangerous as people think it's it's dangerous. But it's if you're taking the right precautions, which is wear long, long pants, sleeves, wear eye protection, that's the big thing. It's not too bad. I also say if you've got someone young, give them your protection too, just because those things are loud. And I do have mild to moderate hearing loss. And, you know, you can avoid that. If you just give your child some some earplugs while they're cracking, cracking their first whip baby's first whip,
Nick VinZant 6:54
you get there that loud, or you just done it so much that like
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 6:58
it's a combination of it. So most of the time, I actually try to not be too loud with the whips because it's, it's louder for someone on the on the other end who's watching me because the whip it when it cracks is, you know, 678 feet away from me. And if I'm on a small stage, that means it's like two feet away from the audience. So it's right in their face when it cracks. But there are a few cracks a few Whips that I have, where it's just right next to my right ear, and it is loud. So it's if I've taken hearing tests, the hearing in my right ear is so much worse than my left ear because I'm right handed, most of the cracking is on my right side.
Nick VinZant 7:35
How do you crack it? I've never been like I had a whip when I was a little kid. But I couldn't do anything with it. Like how do you do it.
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 7:41
So the first thing you do is don't try to do what everyone tries to do, which is they take the whip at like on the ground, they just kind of flick it up and down real quick. That's a really good way to hit yourself in the eye hit yourself on the arm. The trick is usually it's kind of like and I've never fly fished. But I've been told that it's the exact same motion, it is the way that you would fly fish, which is you bring it back behind you let it get fully extended, and then bring it forward. It's kind of like kind of like casting a fishing line. Not perfectly the same. But it's it's it's a process. And then over time, you just kind of develop the muscle memory I learned so long ago. I have actually I have trouble teaching people now because I'm like, just just do this. It's that simple. Just do this. And they're like, I don't know what I do.
Nick VinZant 8:26
I have two children like explained to them how to run I don't know, you just you just just do it, do it. And as a person who fly fishers like that's exactly how you fly fish, right? You let it go all the way back and then you just kind of snap your wrist a little bit do exactly. Um, what do you think makes you good at it?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 8:46
I think so what what I had the fortunate, I had the good fortune of a couple of things. One, I grew up in the world, so of circus. So I've been I've kind of learned a lot just through osmosis. When I first started really, really practicing whips. I found that I knew how to do a lot of the tricks just by watching having watched my dad do it so many times. But then the other thing was, I've been doing this show 15 1617 years now. So I'm in my mid 30s. I started performing solo when I was 18 in college. And so I had essentially 1314 years where no one knew who I was I was I was getting work but not a ton of work. And so I had all that time to polish my show. Figure out how to do this figure out okay, what makes people laugh, what doesn't make people laugh, and go from there. So I had a lot of time to fail off camera. And then you know, this social media blow up didn't happen for me until October of 2021. By then, I think I was in my 13th 14th season. So I had a lot of time to kind of figure it out.
Nick VinZant 9:55
What was that like doing something for so long and then all of a sudden I Boom. It was it was weird.
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 10:02
I mean, so the initial videos that went viral actually, were not my videos, they were videos of me that a fan took and put on Tik Tok. And suddenly, these videos are gone. My wife texted me while I was at work at my real job, and I was working at a radio station. And she goes, my friend just sent me this asking if this is you. And so, I was like, alright, well, I guess there's a demand for this after I think the second video went viral. So I was like, well, let's, let's make a tic tock account. We've got some old show footage, let's just put it on the internet and see what happens. And edit. It was very quick. Within 10 days, it was like, oh, okay, all right. There's there's a demand for this. And then as it continued to roll, it was sort of like, okay, well, let's see if we can make this a career. And it's, I think, in a lot of ways, going back to being able to fail off camera, you know, the having the time that I did, working, both, you know, at renaissance fairs, and then also my work at working in radio, I got a chance like sort of a taste of what it's like to be in the public eye without being a celebrity. And that kind of, I feel like I came into it. Not surprised. Not not surprised, but I sort of knew is like, Okay, this is what we do. This is how we manage expectations. This is how we manage, you know, making sure that I take time for myself, make sure I have things that are outside the public eye. Doing that was was huge. And having that opportunity before this all happened was huge.
Nick VinZant 11:36
knew how to handle it. Like there was the groundwork was laid essential. Yeah,
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 11:40
yeah. And I've said, you know, had this happen when I was 22, I would not have been able to deal with I would not have been ready to deal with it, I would have turned insufferable. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 11:50
I think you see that happen to a lot of people on social media, too. What was that like kind of being in the public eye doing the radio stuff? And then like, hey, what do you do on the side like, Well, I
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 12:00
do I. So I tried to not always publicly say it, and be super forthcoming about it. It was not information that I would regularly volunteer. But certainly plenty of people that I interacted with knew I remember it was very funny. I was doing a show one time I saw Boston City Councilor who I had covered in my crowd one day, he was a terrible audience member, he was talking to his wife or his girlfriend the whole time. But no, I think I think early on, there was this sense of, I think, people were kind of confused, they would give you this quizzical look, they're like, wait, what? What do you do on the side? But I think after a few years, everyone kind of knew, and if they didn't know, they were just kind of like, alright, it's, it's always I, you either get this reaction of people are just shocked. Or more more frequently, it's kind of just that people are like, Oh, okay, that's cool. That's interesting. And then they move on.
Nick VinZant 12:59
When did you start kind of in including the singing in it? Oh, oh.
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 13:13
Oh that came out of out of just an improvised bit. I was working with another whip cracker. And I was just standing there, we both had one whip. And so I'm standing there and I was going. And then he happened to crack just in time that we made the beat for We Will Rock huge boom. And I'm like, Well, wait, keep that going. Keep that going. And suddenly, we start singing, we will rock you. And I was like, wait a minute, you can probably do this with a bunch of stuff. So I tried to start trying out different beats. And I had taken a ton of improv classes when I was younger, when I thought, you know, maybe I want to be an actor or something like that. And making up lyrics to songs had always been something I was, I don't know about good at but at least you know, that age proficient at and I had done high school musicals, high school theater. So my singing voice is not you know, no one's gonna confuse me for a professional singer. But I can carry a tune decently. And so from there, it sort of became this idea of like, okay, well, let's, let's try putting this in the show as what we call the pre show, which is the pre show is not your good material. The pre show is something that's good enough, that's loud to get people to come to the show, because renaissance fairs, you know, you have show times but you don't have a set crowd. So you the first five minutes, you're essentially trying to get more people to come and see your show. And so what I realized is musical whipping being loud singing songs. This is a great way to get people to stop by and watch the show. And so I made that kind of the permanent fixture of the first five minutes of my show, and that was probably starting around 2012 I would say was when that happened.
Nick VinZant 14:55
Are you surprised that it was like, Wait, this this is the thing
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 15:01
No, because I mean, I mean, you look at the popularity of people like Weird Al. And you know, there's a demand for it. It's not everyone's thing. Like, I see my comments every now and then where people are like, really people find this entertaining. And I'm like, Listen, I don't know, I don't get it. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 15:15
right. Like, what are you? What? Are you mad at me for?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 15:17
Whatever works, man?
Nick VinZant 15:20
How does that work? Then you get paid by the Renaissance Fair, are people have to pay to come into the show? Or is it?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 15:26
It's a combination. So the most fairs are a combination of they will pay you. And then you also get tips from the audience. And the tips are where you make most of your money. Usually,
Nick VinZant 15:36
now what are you always you can pronounce it better than I am? Zipper?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 15:40
Jaaxy whip, right? Yeah. So early on was my father and I essentially helped create, create this this act when I first moved to renaissance fairs when I was 20, I think. And they're kind of three pillars of what makes a good renaissance fair show. And you ideally should have a mix of all three. But you can get by with two of the three if those two are really high. And that's comedy, skill and character. And when I started my skills were Yeah, so we had to lean more on the comedy, and especially on the character and renaissance fairs. Most people are English, Irish, Scottish, you get the straight German, every now and then. Very few French people. And so I was like, alright, well, let's, let's be French. I took I took five years, six years of French classes, I can, I can kind of fake it a little bit. And it kind of worked. And then I remember the last day of my first weekend doing the character, I drew on the mustache, and that seemed to make it click for everyone, which is that, oh, this is dumb. This is this is a skill show. This is dangerous show. But this is still dumb. This is comedy, and we're here to have have a good laugh. And nowadays, I'm so glad I made that decision, because it allows people to understand that they should not be intimidated by by a man holding a whip. And that this is this is for laughs This is to have a good time. What
Nick VinZant 17:06
is it about renaissance fairs because it's something that I haven't personally been to, but it's been my experience that people who are into it, they are into it. I
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 17:14
think Renaissance Faire is it's a place where you can go and be yourself, no matter how weird yourself is. So for a long time, it was a safe space for to put it bluntly, the freaks and geeks of our world and I, you know, I put myself in that category. But I think over the last, I would say 10 years between Game of Thrones, which are the Lord of the Rings, being a nerd has become more acceptable, and of course, Marvel as well. And so we've had this influx, I think of young professionals, you know, people in their mid to late 20s, they're finally making good money, they don't yet have kids, they have a lot of disposable income. And they have been coming to the Renaissance Fair in droves. I noticed it around 2014 2015, where I was like, hang on, everyone who's here at this show. Looks like me, it looks like they're at the exact same stage of life, as I know, except for like that family there and that old guy there. So I think there's been a big jump in that clientele so that renaissance fairs have grown. And then on top of that, in the years after COVID, it was an outdoor safe space, it was an outdoor space, you could go and have fun, and not necessarily need to worry about being indoors with 500 other people to go see some kind of entertainment.
Nick VinZant 18:35
So maybe I'm missing out. Do you think that continues though? Is it a flash in the pan? Or like No, no, I think we set a benchmark.
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 18:42
They've been around for 50 years. Going back to the early one. I think it started in the 60s, in California. And you know, a lot of the festivals I work are in there. You know, they're 30 plus years old. They're 40 plus years old. So I don't know that they're going anywhere in the immediate future. I don't think you're gonna see yours like you did in 2021 was just an extraordinary year all around. But I think yeah, I think I think they're here for I think they're here for a good long while.
Nick VinZant 19:14
Are you ready for some harder slash listener submitted questions? Go for it. Hardest type of whip to crack
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 19:20
stock whips. So there are essentially three kinds of whips. You have a leather bowl whip, which is like an Indiana Jones whip. You have performance hybrid whips, which are a combination of a bullwhip and a stock whip. And those are what you see me cracking and most of my videos I use, I call them my musical whips. And then stock whips. They come from Australia, used for driving stock driving cattle, and they had this weird hinge on them where you go from the stiff handle into the braid of the whip. It's got this hinge on it and I cannot figure out how to work those and it's probably just because I didn't grow up, cracking those I grew up cracking my dad's bull whips So I actually have a pair on their way to me now that I'm gonna try and figure out and see if I can get better with them. But that's that's easily it. And that and the chain whip just because the chain whip is, you know you're cracking a chain, it's heavy, it's floppy is a really good chance you hit yourself and hurt yourself. But that's, that's I put that in a whole separate category.
Nick VinZant 20:22
That leads us into this question, right? Like, what's the worst injury that you've had? Like? How often do you get hurt? Not
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 20:28
very often. I think people think whips are a lot more dangerous than they are. Whips will leave a welt at the most they'll leave, you know, kind of a shallow cut. And that's if you really, really mess up. The worst I ever did was in college, I was 20, or it was 20 or 2221. And I went to go do a side crack. And as the whip came forward, it caught the back of my neck and I thought it was just a welt. And then I learned that the next day in class that I had not left a wealth I had left a long cut across the back of my neck. Someone in class leans over and like, Jack, what did you do to your neck, and I just look at them. I gave the whip crack motion. They're like, Oh, okay, all right. We're not interested anymore.
Nick VinZant 21:15
Crack myself with a whip. I go, yeah. Okay, you
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 21:18
know, we've all been there. All right,
Nick VinZant 21:20
um, what's your favorite song to perform?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 21:25
So I, what I always like are songs that are a little bit slower, or that have different rhyming schemes. So if it's just, you know, rhyme a BB, that's harder, because your, your brain has to move faster. What I really like are songs that are slower, and it's an A B, a type of rhyme. So you have two lines before you have to come back and do the rhyme. So a good example of this is sound of silence. Sound of Silence is nice and slow. Everyone knows it, and you have tons of time to think up what the rhyme is going to be. So I had done some sound of silence a bajillion times. It is never the same rhymes because every single time I'm adapting it to the situation because I have enough time to do it. Something like Eminem is Rap God where he's making a rhyme every half second, not my favorite to do. Those are a lot of those are a lot harder to do.
Nick VinZant 22:22
How do you feel about Indiana Jones?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 22:24
I'm a fan of Indiana Jones. I was not a fan of Indiana Jones for I thought Indiana Jones five was fine. I am very much very much looking forward to the video game that's coming out at some point this year. Who
Nick VinZant 22:35
is your favorite fictional character with a whip? Besides if it is Indiana Jones?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 22:41
I think right now it's Richter Belmont. Trevor from the Castlevania series, the Netflix series. I so I watched both both Castlevania series they have I really liked Trevor Belmont in the original of just being just a dumb himbo who's really good at fighting vampires, which I enjoyed a lot. I thought they gave Richter a little bit more depth. And I liked his costume a lot more. So I think right now it's, I'm leaning towards Richter at the moment,
Nick VinZant 23:08
can you really swing from a tree or from anything on a whip,
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 23:12
you can swing from a tree on a whip, it is not advisable. And it is not something that you should rely on. So it's easy to tie the whip around the tree it is much harder to get the whip untied around the tree. You know, I don't know that my whip would actually survive doing that more than two or three times.
Nick VinZant 23:32
Is there an aspect of kind of like circus performance necessarily the that do whip seem to do better than not something else to say that if you're juggling or throwing knives or anything like that? Is there kind of a hierarchy like you want to make it you get the
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 23:47
whip? Well, so I think my dad actually told me about this and talked to me about this when I was very, very young. When I was sick. I was like oh, I should learn how to juggle. And my dad said here's the thing. Everyone can juggle everyone in the circus can juggle everyone who goes to the circus has seen a person juggle before. And so if you want to be a standout juggler, you really need to be extraordinary at it or you need to be so funny that you essentially don't need the juggling anyway. And even then, even if you do all of that, there, you know there are 10 Other jugglers who are almost as good or just as good as you who could also do that, that act whereas, you know, I look at the Renaissance Fair circuit there are three people who do a primarily whip based show myself Adam when rich Aaron Bach. So starting just from there, the level of competition is much lower. And that was you know, when he mentioned that to me, I was like oh, okay, you're, you're telling me that I can get more work for less less amount of practice. Yes, this sounds like a great idea. So I gravitated towards whip cracking for that reason. I also tried dice throwing I have a knife throwing show that I don't do very often. I have some other kind of miscellaneous circus skills, plates spinning, balancing, both, you know whether it's on a tight surface or something, let's say on my chin, lots of other skills that I can kind of pull out, but they're not really you know, the reaction that you get from spinning a plate is much less than what you get from cracking the whip.
Nick VinZant 25:18
I have never understood the knife throwing aspect. Is it the knife? Is it the technique? Do you have to get the distance down? Like how do you get it
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 25:26
all of the above. So what you want is you want knives that are weighted in such a way that they'll fly truer, heavier knives are better because there's less variation on how much they rotate, you want to spin the knife as little as possible. And then for me, so I know that 10 nine and three quarters steps away from the knife board is where I want to be. When I'm when I'm throwing knives, the way that I throw them, the knife will rotate. And it'll stick the same way every single time. As long as I can find that distance.
Nick VinZant 25:55
But if somebody gave you like a random distance, okay, I want you to do 13 and a half steps. Could you hit it or like No, it has to be this distance. I
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 26:05
couldn't consistently do it. I was amazed. I was sharing a stage with a guy named side the sword swallower in Colorado, and he doesn't like throwing show and I was watching him and I was like, sigh I'm looking at the stage because normally you tape where your mark is where you need to stand you tape where the board needs to be and where you need to be. And I'm looking at like, sigh Where are your marks? How are you? How are you figuring this out? And he goes, Oh, and he walks up to the board starts throwing knives and stepping back, you know about a foot each time and every single one of those knives stuck. And I was like what? How do you how do you do that? It goes I don't know I practice a lot of cheeses man.
Nick VinZant 26:42
That doesn't seem to really go along with like the laws of physics. I don't know if it's physics, but I would think like no, you it's not going to rotate again that fast.
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 26:49
He just he's he's that good where he can he can just eyeball the distance and change how much the knife is rotating. Okay,
Nick VinZant 26:57
so we're looking at a video. Most bullwhip, let me make sure the audio is off. Yeah,
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 27:02
this is when I think I did 287 cracks. So this is actually not the current record, because I broke this record in 2020. But this is me swinging the whip back and forth. 287 tight, well, 290 times, but I missed a few cracks in it. And this was this was a record that I spent most recently I spent about two years training, six hours a day working or six days a week working out three days on one day off three days on one day off, spent two years doing that put on 15 pounds of muscle to do this record, and then promptly had shoulder surgery for unrelated reasons and lost all that muscle. I went from looking like Captain America to looking like my normal self, which was
Nick VinZant 27:41
sad. You need that much muscle to do that.
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 27:46
At the point that we had put it, you did, because I had been going back and forth with Adam when rich for a few few years. And I wanted to just finally put it way out of reach. So I in COVID, I decided you know what? Screw it. I don't have anything else going on. I'm just going to work out as much as I can put on as much muscle as I can. And see, you know how high I can put this mark? I
Nick VinZant 28:09
think that's the thing with like whips, though. It's one of those things where like, you look at it like I could do that. It's Is it a lot harder than people think that it is?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 28:21
I mean, cracking a whip in an in and of itself is not difficult. The record is difficult because I was one of those guys where I looked at the record. I'm like, I can do that. And then I tried it. I was like, oh, oh, that's a lot harder than I realized. And so, you know, I think I think getting to where I am as a whip cracker. Someone could probably do in six months to a year if they were dedicated. And I've been cracking whips for like I said, you know, 20, almost 30 years. But then getting the record it has to be basically your sole focus at this point for for a year plus, at where Adam and I have
Nick VinZant 28:58
have said it. Here's knife throwing.
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 29:01
It's not actual knife throwing this is this I just posted this morning. Oh, okay, me showing off all those other tricks that I that I learned and that I don't actually do in the show anymore, because no one cares about them.
Nick VinZant 29:12
Is that there is magic play
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 29:16
that there's a little bit of magic. It's not good magic.
Nick VinZant 29:18
Why is plates spinning in the Renaissance? Fair? Is that an old timey thing?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 29:23
No, it's just a circus thing. So my dad's show was called the super scientific circuit still is called the super scientific circus where you teach science through circus tricks. And so one of those was plates spinning because it teaches about centripetal and centrifugal force. And I had a lot of days backstage where just just sat there spinning plates because it was the only thing to do. Oh, there you go. Indiana jonesing with my dad iego. So this is where we tried all the things that Indiana Jones does in the movies with one of my dad's old whips made by the guy who made the whips for Indiana Jones who's dead now And so you know that whip is worth more than I am all of those whips are worth more than I am. But he had these whips and and the new Indiana Jones movie was coming out this past summer last summer. And I was like well let's let's try and do some Indiana Jones tricks with with the whips like there's a flash that he does in the Raiders movie. That's actually harder than that it looks disarming an armed attacker. So I had them hold out a bat pulled the bat out, it worked far better than I expected it to. And then trying to swing from a tree branch. So for this, we did not use one of those whips because I didn't want to break it. But we use an eight foot whip caught around it perfectly. And I don't I don't have it here. But it took me about three minutes to untie it from the tree. I haven't I have it in the bloopers reel that i think i i posted later. Because it's really hard to actually untie a whip once you've taught you know, you spent so much of your life trying to not get your whips tangled or like tie them into knots because they they will do that sometimes. And then trying to do it intentionally is really hard. This
Nick VinZant 31:06
cool. So there's different ways to crack it. Yeah.
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 31:09
So front crack back crack over the head crack side crack, these are not the official terms. And then I say we will not be demonstrating the bud crack. Obviously not that kind of show. You can see that show somewhere else, but not with me. But there are all sorts of different techniques that you can use for whip cracking. I think the one that's most common, you know, that front crack is called the circus crack or the Kettlemans crack because it was how cattlemen would would crack whips. There's another one called the coachman's crack where you don't want it to crack out front because then you're gonna be whipping, you know, the oxen or the horses that are pulling your carriage. And so what you do as you kind of put ad this stutter into your hand, so that a cracks right next to your right ear and makes you lose hearing for a few seconds. I don't like that crack.
Nick VinZant 31:57
This is what I always wonder about people who do circus performance and any kind of thing where they have to like how many copies of that outfit do you have? Are you just wearing the same one? I
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 32:07
have three different set. I have three vests. I have four shirts. I have three of those sashes. The pants right now I have four but I'm having four brand new pair or No, I have three because I sent one of them off to a woman who's making me four more pair of pants and the socks. I have probably like seven or eight pair of socks. And then the shoes. I have five or six pair of those.
Nick VinZant 32:34
He had no way does anybody just wear the same one every day like, Oh, yeah.
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 32:38
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it gets gross. So for a while I only had two, which was usually fine, because I'm performing, you know, on weekends. But then you would have that stray that rogue three day weekend, let's say around like Memorial Day weekend or Labor Day weekend. And that Labor Day Monday. Oh boy, what I smell bad. Because it's also you know, it's late August, early September. It's still warm. It's you know, even if you're in the Northeast in Boston, which is where I usually was it's still it's hot and it's humid, and it's muggy. I mean, like not like what you get in Arizona, but humid humidity helps or doesn't help, I should say. So
Nick VinZant 33:14
how hard was this to do?
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 33:17
So these whips are so freakin heavy. And I have I have my shoulders are Swiss cheese, as I always like to say they've got lots of lots of damage with them. So I start with a five pound chain whip, which is heavy, but it's crackable I can do most of what I want. But this this other one is a 10 pound chain whip. And the whole time I'm swinging this being like, Oh God, just don't dislocate your shoulder trying to crack this thing because you can feel it pulling on you the weight is there. I mean, you say it's only 10 pounds, but it's also eight feet long and just you know the central riff. The goal for us I always have to remember is that centripetal or centrifugal? The centrifugal force is just pulling on your arm so much that I have to just like tuck everything in there to make sure nothing comes out.
Nick VinZant 34:04
That's pretty much all the questions that I got. Is there anything that you think that we missed? And what's kind of coming up next for you? Where can people find you the
Jack Lepiarz (Jack the Whipper) 34:11
best way to find me is I'm so I'm going on tour in just just a few days. Busy 2024 ahead. The full schedule, the easiest way to find it is Jack the ripper.com or chakra Z wipro.com or Jack lip ers.com No one knows how to spell any of my names. So I got all three domain names, and they will all take you to my website which has my full schedule. Otherwise, give me a follow tick tock Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, I'm on all the platforms and just about all the platforms get all the same content. I
Nick VinZant 34:41
want to thank Jack so much for joining us if you want to connect with him. We have linked to him on our social media accounts were Profoundly Pointless on Tik Tok, Instagram and YouTube. And we've also included his information in the episode description. If you want to see him perform some of the things that we talked about. The YouTube version of this interview will be live on February 29, at 12:30pm Pacific. So real quick, I want to take a moment and thank one of the sponsors of our show, Joy mode. Joy mode is a sexual performance booster. So whether you're looking to spice up your more intimate moments, or increase your confidence in the bedroom, Joy mode can help with an all natural science backed approach. And right now, they're offering their trademark product, the sexual performance booster, which is every man solution to increase blood flow, firmness, stamina, and performance. And right now they're offering a special discount to our listeners, you can redefine your intimacy by going to use joy mode.com for 20% Off with code pointless. That's 20% off, plus free shipping with code pointless. I'm usually really skeptical about stuff like this, like, okay, all right. But I tried it this weekend. And I don't know if the wife was happy, but I was impressed. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw, and get to the pointless part of this show. Okay, would you rather work for $500,000 a year? Or get $75,000? A year for free?
John Shull 36:31
How involved is the job that I'll be making? 500? Is it a nine to five? Or am I on the on my on call all the time? Is it a very involved job? Normal
Nick VinZant 36:42
ish job like nothing crazy. There's no big catch to it, I would take the 75 Grand I would take the 75 Grand to I think that is because I think it's because as you get older, your time becomes more valuable. And you just rather have the time. You
John Shull 37:00
don't realize that as you're a young person working.
Nick VinZant 37:03
I wondered how close this is going to be I asked the audience. So what do you think that percentage is? What percentage of people do you think put work for 500,000? What percentage do you think said, take the 75,000 for free?
John Shull 37:16
Well, I want I want to think that it would be pretty lopsided with people saying the $500,000 job. But I'm gonna say it's probably pretty even.
Nick VinZant 37:26
It is actually pretty even 56% said work for 500,044% said take the 75. I think that that has changed though. I think that in the last couple of years, people have really started to question the value of not the value. But the idea of working all of your life and like you know what I I'm pretty, okay. I don't really need to do all this.
John Shull 37:51
Sometimes managing people is not worth the hassle at all. Sometimes just staying where you're at and just making that steady salary not having other responsibilities. kind of awesome. And secondly, I just I just think that the generation after us is going to prove so many things in terms of working, like working 40 hour work weeks, things that generations before us and us would have been like, wow, why didn't we stand up for that? Like, you know, we could have done it. I
Nick VinZant 38:22
think one of the big things that's going to change in our society is that we are a society, at least in the United States that is based around the idea of growth, we got more people, more growth, more everything. And now we're looking for the first time in a society that is not growing. And that's going to lead to fundamental changes in how we view everything. Okay, but okay, no pipe dream jobs. Not like I want to be an NFL quarterback, or you want to be a professional wrestler, which is I know what your real dream. But if you could start your life over what job would you do? Like if you could make the same amount of money? Do all the same things like what job? Would you really want to do?
John Shull 39:02
Oh, man, that's a tough question. Um, I mean, I'd love to be a coach, whether it be a high school coach, or, you know, a college coach or something like that a teacher. I'd also love to give acting a try not like real acting, but bullshit acting something like that. I don't know. I mean, I can tell you this. And I say this with love. And I'm not afraid to admit this. But I could go back and do it over again, I would not have and I would not have chosen this career path. I would I would do something different. And I don't want that for people to think that I don't like what I'm doing now. But, you know, I definitely would try something different.
Nick VinZant 39:42
I don't know if I would change what I did. But if I had my dream, like the thing that I would really want to do would be a carpenter. Like I would love to just be outside building stuff. Like working with your hands. I would love to be a carpenter, but also some of that as well. Probably because I have no no DIY, do it yourself talent whatsoever. Like you give me an Ikea desk gonna be at least two weeks chasis.
John Shull 40:09
Man. I mean, I that's actually a good question is on a scale from one to 10? With five being your self sufficient at most house things like changing the light bulb, you know, mounting a TV, where are you on that scale?
Nick VinZant 40:28
If it's just kind of replacing stuff or simple fixes, I'm actually not that bad. Like, if I've got a plumbing issue, I can usually fix that. If it's something where like, I can clearly see how to take this thing apart and put it back together, then I can do it. My problem is tools and patience. And I've definitely kind of going back to our poll question in the sense that like, look, I can spend six hours figuring out how to do this, or I can call someone and pay them to do it in an hour.
John Shull 41:02
Well, someone near and dear to me has his motto, it's either time or money. So which one? You know, what do you want to spend? Do you want to spend the money? Or do you want to spend the time doing it? Which I think is a question that you only think of as you get older?
Nick VinZant 41:17
Yeah, young me would say spend the time old me would say spend the money.
John Shull 41:23
Yeah, I would definitely spend the money. I mean, I'm surprised you haven't brought this up yet that I am the guy that used to pay for a lawn service.
Nick VinZant 41:31
It's ridiculous. You're not supposed to pay for it, but mow your own yard? I do. And I love in mind as well. let another man come in and have sex with your wife. If you have lawn service, you are essentially allowing another man to have sex with your wife, metaphorically speaking. No, we're letting another man mow your yard? Well, it's
John Shull 41:49
an all you men out there. And women who hire people to do your lawns Don't listen to him. He's not.
Nick VinZant 41:56
I'm sorry. I have nothing against long service professionals. I have nothing against that industry. I think that trade work generally is one of the most undervalued assets of our society. No, I think that trade work in terms of like plumbers, electricians, those kinds of jobs, like wait till that stuff breaks. And that stuff's incredibly important, but I don't think that a man should allow another man to mow his yard should be done by yourself. Unless it needs to be five acres or more.
John Shull 42:27
acres more lawn, half acre, half acre would be more than enough.
Nick VinZant 42:32
I really don't have any concept of how big an acre is to be honest with you.
Unknown Speaker 42:36
I think it's
Nick VinZant 42:40
one of those things like I have no concept of how big that is, like an acre. I go, okay.
John Shull 42:46
Let's just put it this way. If you put your house in my house and our combined yardage together, we still wouldn't have an acre I don't think so.
Nick VinZant 42:54
Probably not. That's probably pretty big. Okay, one acre, then. If you can walk across your yard in less than five minutes, you need to mow it. Well, that's all that is my that is my official. That is my official statement.
John Shull 43:11
All right, we'll start here Richard Murray Grady nettles, I liked the name Grady. I don't know why but I like it. It's good. It's good one. Benjamin shields. Jim Dowd, Alex Moodley Ethan Wilkie. Gabe de Sam, Robert Shaw. Or maybe it's Robert Shaw. Oh, probably Omar Khan. Tyler tid. Well, it was so Matoba Tia, love that.
Nick VinZant 43:41
I think you actually pronounced that right to I hope
John Shull 43:43
I did. Because if not, I butchered it. Joey version. And Colton Gaines. Congratulations. You all get this? I don't know the Goldstar maybe we'll send you a t shirt in six years. I have no idea. Someday. All right. You ready for some? Yah,
Nick VinZant 44:01
yah, yah, yah, yah,
John Shull 44:02
some rapid fire questions here. That's gonna take us 20 minutes again.
Nick VinZant 44:06
Bring it in effer
John Shull 44:10
All right, first one. I hope you've seen these incidents or it's gonna make no sense, but we'll try it anyway. storming the court during basketball games.
Nick VinZant 44:22
necessary evil. I think that that's a necessary evil. I know some guy got hurt and it's like ruined his season or something like that. But those sports only exist because of the fans like to me, should that guy have gotten hurt? Absolutely not. But I think that that's a necessary evil along with sports, that you only exist because the fans are willing to pay for this and you got to let the fans do what they want a little bit. Like you got to acknowledge that look. I know that you want to win. I know that you think this is all about your championship but no, it's about making money and you don't make money without the fan so get over it.
John Shull 44:56
Some would argue if you haven't seen it, I suggest Check it out. It'll be a few days old by the time this comes out, but Duke Wake Forest, Wake Forest upsets Duke. As Nick said, the Duke player is kind of running off the court. It almost looks like to me that he extends his arms to push somebody, and then trip somebody, and then he gets run into. But regardless, I agree with you, it is a necessary evil.
Nick VinZant 45:21
I think like if you look at it from a business standpoint, right, there's the cost of doing business. And there's always some things that are the cost of doing business. And I think that's the cost of doing business.
John Shull 45:32
I mean, yes, I here, here's my 22nd thing on it. I don't know if I'm okay. In any sporting event where you have will say hundreds, if not almost 1000 At times, people just randomly running onto the court. When you have athletes and coaches and team personnel on the court. I mean, I just feel like you're asking for for a disaster.
Nick VinZant 45:56
That's why when I hear all these people on TV complaining about this is like what you want to get 1000s of people get him super hyped up about their team, give them a bunch of alcohol and then be surprised when this happens. Like you call the devil don't be surprised when he shows up.
John Shull 46:13
Yeah, Praise Jesus. Father's Father, Son and the Holy Ghost coming.
Nick VinZant 46:18
I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it from people about like I'm again these things mean digging, digging. I can't believe they did this. Well. I can't believe they did that thing that we wanted them to do.
John Shull 46:29
Alright, completely flipping the script here. Cheez Its,
Nick VinZant 46:36
oh, I'll go through phases. I go through phases with cheeses. Once a year. I'm going to go through a cheese it phase where I'm going to try just about every flavor they have. Overall, I would say that I like them, but I'm going to choose chips over Cheez Its every time.
John Shull 46:49
Okay, follow up question. What kind of cheeses Is there only one kind? Are you going with like Parmesan? You go with grooves? Are you just going with the originals?
Nick VinZant 46:59
I've had grooves and I thought that they were pretty good. But for the most part, I just want the cheesiest flavor of anything.
John Shull 47:06
Okay. All right. Moving on. Here's another food related item. boba tea.
Nick VinZant 47:13
I started to really like it.
John Shull 47:15
Actually, okay,
Nick VinZant 47:16
I don't really like it. But I really like to take my two sons to go get it because they like boba tea, and it's not really that expensive. And it's like, Hey, you got boba tea. It's like three bucks, and I can't really go and then they're happy for the rest of the day. I
John Shull 47:28
have ever. I've never had it, but I think I'm going to try it in the next couple of weeks off to report back to you
Nick VinZant 47:34
on it. I am generally against any kind of drink that has calories in it. I just find it to be a complete waste of time. Whether that be boba tea, juice, any kind of drink that has calories like if I'm going to have any kind of calories. I want to fill my stomach up in a way like I don't want to just drink them. I need to feel like I had them.
John Shull 47:59
Let's see here. Oh god, I'm old. Yeah, that was very, but I wasn't Yeah, anything. You definitely sound like an old man. Right?
Nick VinZant 48:07
It's turned into like an okay, yeah. Yeah, you don't want to talk about your stupid lawn.
John Shull 48:17
You brought it up.
Nick VinZant 48:20
You actually brought it up, I
John Shull 48:21
believe. Maybe. How important is a good pillow to you? Is it the most important piece of bedding?
Nick VinZant 48:30
I can honestly sleep on just about any pillow as long as it's not too big. I just get used to whatever I'm doing my wife goes through pillows ever. Like I'm swear we get a new one every damn week. Yeah, but I Okay. Like pillow is not that big of a deal to me, man. I'll sleep on a rock to be honest with you,
John Shull 48:47
though. You wouldn't. That sounds terrible.
Nick VinZant 48:49
pretty uncomfortable, honestly. But I can sleep. All I really need. Look man, I've passed out on the floor many a time. All I need really is my own arms to lay on.
John Shull 49:00
Okay, let's see here. Killian Murphy. He seems to be the hot actor. As he started Oppenheimer. He was also in a show called Peaky Blinders. He
Nick VinZant 49:12
is uh, one of the more distinct looking people. That's a distinct looking person.
John Shull 49:18
Yeah, right. Yeah, without a doubt.
Nick VinZant 49:21
Um, I don't know. I actually I'd like him in the sense that he seems to be one of those actors that like, look, this is just my job. And this is what I do. And I don't really want to deal with any of the other parts of it. Like just show up, do the job and go home.
John Shull 49:35
There is a there is a pretty famous clip of him at I don't know con or one of those movie festivals where you can just tell he is so annoyed for having to stop and every 30 seconds you know, right cheek, left cheek, smile. He just wants to get in and start drinking shots.
Nick VinZant 49:52
I think. Well, man, that's the way to do it. It's
John Shull 49:55
just a job. Just a job. Just A job speaking of a job. I don't know why I wrote this one down but a door greeters. How are you? How are you feeling about door greeters?
Nick VinZant 50:10
I like to be welcomed into a place. I like to be welcomed into a business you should this is I'm gonna go on a rant here now, this is my big problem with America at this point right now not America actually this is my big problem I think in society today is that businesses have gone from trying to earn our business by providing us with a good service or a product they've gone from trying to earn our business to figuring out ways to take it and it's ruin things for us.
John Shull 50:42
I mean, I agree with you I want to start a want me but at the same point I'm also the person that just wants to go in and get out I don't want to be confronted I don't want to be talked to I stopped going to stores like BestBuy and places like that because of all the in store advertisement people they would have you couldn't it felt like you couldn't walk down an aisle without having someone say Why Hello Sir, do you have a TN T or you know, something like that? You
Nick VinZant 51:14
must have a much more approachable demeanor than I have. Because nobody ever approaches me in places.
John Shull 51:20
I can approach everywhere I go. i Every everything I get approached for it's ridiculous. No
Nick VinZant 51:27
one like if there's, if there's one of those people that's like out on the street trying to get you for a signature or whatever, then they never I never get approached by those people.
John Shull 51:38
Yeah, I'm, I do get kind of a stink face though. Like like if, for instance, if someone's coming up to me and like, say us a grocery store with a petition, and they want me to sign it. I'll just be like, No, not today. And then they'll go away. But yeah, I get approached all the time,
Nick VinZant 51:53
man. I don't know if I'm jealous of you, or envious of you or what the word is or proud not to be you like I kind of want to be approached like I want somebody to ask me every once in a while. But no be happy
John Shull 52:06
to be happy you're not approached? Because the next the next and last topic I'm gonna ask you about are these goddamn Girl Scouts selling their goddamn cookies? Every goddamn where?
Nick VinZant 52:20
I think that girl scout cookies are another necessary evil of the world. I don't want Girl Scout cookies. I don't like Girl Scout Cookie cookies. I don't want to be approached about Girl Scout cookies. I don't want to tell the Girl Scouts. No, but I think it's good for the kids to be out there doing it. They just for me. The particular lesson that they're gonna learn is about how the world is a harsh place and you're gonna get it. No.
John Shull 52:44
We both know that because everyone does this that if you are approached by those damn, girls, you're gonna fold literally $5 A box.
Nick VinZant 52:52
No, I don't I have never bought Girl Scout cookies. Never Never. Never.
John Shull 52:59
Wow, I've I bought probably five boxes a season alone. Wow,
Nick VinZant 53:04
I've never bought them. Never have bought Girl Scout cookies. Not when somebody what I really annoys me is when somebody pulls that crap at work. Hey, my kid sell cookies with don't bring that crap to work, man. Don't bring that to work. I don't think that there should be any kind of that activity, like funding for a birthday gift or wedding gift or anything like that for work. Nothing. Maybe a sympathy card if you lose a loved one. But that's the only thing that I'm willing to do. Anything else was like manage a job. Don't want a job. Well, I want to get you anything. I don't want anything from you. I want a paycheck. That's it. Job.
John Shull 53:47
Right.
Unknown Speaker 53:48
Just a job.
John Shull 53:50
All right. That's all I got. What's the top five today?
Nick VinZant 53:53
Oh, our top five. Top five flavors of Doritos. There's what's your number? What's there's a lot more than you would think.
John Shull 54:07
Yeah, there's a lot. And I'm curious because I have no idea where you're gonna go with your list. Except I hope it's not the one you messaged me about the other day. My number five. spicy sweet chili. Hmm.
Nick VinZant 54:25
There are two flavors that I have tried recently. I just don't remember exactly which one it was. It was either spicy sweet chili or salt severity that I did not like. I just don't remember which one it was. But I didn't like it. I was like, Oh, I don't like that. Okay, it might have been spicy
John Shull 54:43
sweet chili. Well, that's that's a shame because it's delicious. My number
Nick VinZant 54:48
five is cool. Ranch. Number five number five. Cool Ranch. That's overrated the whole way around. Not that great. Meat is great, but it's not that great a flavor number five is Cool Ranch. I stand by it. The foot is down.
John Shull 55:07
Well, not only do I have Cool Ranch on the list, but my number four is flaming hot, Cool Ranch.
Nick VinZant 55:15
They're really starting to roll out some flavors that they're there that Flaming Hots a little too spicy for me. Okay, on a scale of one to 10 one being the lowest 10 being the highest. How much spice do you generally like?
John Shull 55:29
10
Nick VinZant 55:30
Oh, you go all you'll go all the way but can you eat like just go through a bag? Like, not have to take a break with something really spicy?
John Shull 55:40
Not really. I mean, now? Yeah, not Not really. It also depends a lot though. There's, there's a lot that goes into like how spicy things actually are, in addition to how spicy they can be. You know, if you've had a lot of salt if you're drinking beer. But yeah, I mean, I none of these chips that I've ever had. I've been like, damn, I can only have a couple of those.
Nick VinZant 56:03
I still get confused between the difference between medium and mild. I can never remember is medium spicier than mild or is mild, spicier than medium.
John Shull 56:13
Usually goes mild. medium hot. is the
Nick VinZant 56:17
way to me though. Mild, is medium. Now, I've never I've always been confused by this. And I was like which one's hotter? Medium or mild? It just isn't. But what's your number for spicy Nacho? That's as much spices I'm willing to go as spicy Nacho. Okay.
John Shull 56:38
Yeah, I mean, obviously you have to have you know, the original on here somewhere, but yeah, well, I'm fine with that. That's That's it. That's a good one.
Nick VinZant 56:47
I don't think spicy Nacho is the original by the way. I think that's a new flavor. I think you're thinking of nacho cheese. Yeah,
John Shull 56:53
right. I mean, you have to have like a like a cheese flavor. One. Okay, sure. Number three, which I think they technically all are but so my number three actually it's a version of Doritos. Brand new actually within the last couple of months but Dinah Mita Celli lamona Doritos. Delicious, delicious.
Nick VinZant 57:19
I don't generally like a lemon flavored anything.
John Shull 57:23
It's actually Limone
Nick VinZant 57:26
Do you know that? You know what that stands for though. Right? Yeah,
John Shull 57:28
yeah, just say a little more. And you can't say lemon. It's live might be lime. Honestly. Lemon. Lime. I'm not sure I failed my Spanish classes. Oh,
Nick VinZant 57:40
wait. So is it lemon? Or is it lime?
John Shull 57:45
You put the lime in the coconut.
Nick VinZant 57:48
Is it lime or lemon? Oh, it is lime. So it is live that would make more sense than having lemon flavored. Okay, we were wrong. I don't like I don't generally like a lime flavored chip.
John Shull 58:01
I mean, I wasn't going to correct you. But I can know as lime. No one has lemon chips, man. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 58:07
that wouldn't be very good. What's the weirdest flavor a chip you've ever had? Like as a weird flavor? Oh,
John Shull 58:13
man, I don't I mean, there's a local company up here. That makes some pretty there's like weird ones. Like, I always find like dill pickle is weird, but it tastes delicious.
Nick VinZant 58:24
Yeah. Um, I've had ketchup flavored chips in Canada. Okay, Seattle, Canada is closed and you've had like ketchup flavored chips there. Okay. All
John Shull 58:36
right. Coney dog flavored chips. Those have been kinda weird. Yeah, I
Nick VinZant 58:40
don't really like a lot of weird flavors. Chips need to be basic flavors. My number three is a newer one. It's loaded taco.
John Shull 58:45
Okay, that sounds good. I don't think I've had that one yet.
Nick VinZant 58:49
It's good. It's up there. I would put it up there. Right. I like I said, I put it above Cool Ranch. It's a flavor that has a lot of possibilities. I don't think the other flavors that they have like new flavors are really going to go anywhere. But I think loaded taco is going to be here.
John Shull 59:06
Just flipping that salad, that taco salad what, what are number two are my number two rather? Just the what started at all? Nacho Cheese.
Nick VinZant 59:18
My number two is also nacho cheese. I think nacho cheese is the appropriate is appropriate in number two.
John Shull 59:26
Oh, my number one would should be everybody's number one. Cool Ranch baby bear.
Nick VinZant 59:32
I just don't. I'm always like, Okay, I think nacho cheese is better. My number one is zesty cheese, which is a flavor that I have only seen in Canada. Like I said, I live in Seattle. We go to Canada fairly recently and they have very frequently and they have zesty cheese which comes in an orange bag and it's it's the best. It's the best real flavor. I have no idea why It wouldn't have it in the United States.
John Shull 1:00:03
I mean, you kind of mentioned it earlier, because companies don't care about us if they cared Exactly. We'd have zesty cheese Doritos. It's
Nick VinZant 1:00:12
fantastic. What's um, I would say honorable mention, but there's a couple that we left out. Um, did you mention sweet and tangy barbecue? No,
John Shull 1:00:22
because I've this is gonna sound weird, but barbecue chips or barbecue chips. Doritos are not barbecue chips.
Nick VinZant 1:00:31
Right? I can agree with that. I can agree with that. I generally don't. But I would say barbecue chip is my least favorite flavor of chip. I generally don't like like, Hey, you want barbecue like now? I don't. Yeah,
John Shull 1:00:43
I mean, it's not what I'm reaching for first, I'll tell you that.
Nick VinZant 1:00:48
I also generally I will eat them. But I also generally don't like like salt and pepper vinegar or vinegar flavored.
John Shull 1:00:56
Takes a certain occasion for me to enjoy a bag of vinegar chips.
Nick VinZant 1:01:02
Um, some other ones that got left out. So severity comes in a green bag.
John Shull 1:01:09
Now I'm good with that. Yeah, I'm
Nick VinZant 1:01:11
good with that too. They also have spicy sweet chili. It's one of the new flavors that was like that's I don't know what if it was sweet and tangy barbecue spicy. Sweet. I think it was actually spicy sweet chili that I was like, Oh, I don't like that at all.
John Shull 1:01:24
That's that's why it's on my number on my top five list because it's delicious.
Nick VinZant 1:01:29
Okay. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's the whole thing. Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it really helps us out just a couple of quick words. And let us know what you think the best flavor of Doritos is. And if you're in other countries, let us know what kind of Doritos you got. I will travel to another country just for Doritos. Cool rants is overrated. So real quick, I want to take a minute and thank one of the sponsors of our show. Joy mode. Joy mode is a sexual performance booster. So whether you're looking to spice up intimate moments, or just increase your confidence in the bedroom, Joy mode takes an all natural science backed approach using supplements that are peer reviewed by scientists