Sleight of hand scams, Edge Working, hacking into slot machines, world-traveling teams of Professional Casino Cheats. George Joseph has spent the last 50 years catching people cheating in casinos. We talk the best and worst casino cheats, 100 million dollar scams and the main reason cheaters get caught. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Messiest Foods to Eat.
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Interview with Casino Cheating Expert George Joseph
Nick VinZant 0:12
Welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant. Coming up in this episode casino cheating and messy foods,
George Joseph 0:21
maybe the biggest scheme that's happened, we estimate somewhere around 100 million. So a lot of the great, great casino cheats, never really got caught in the casino, they got rented out. But it turns out, he was a retired rocket scientist. And he had reverse engineered the random number generator,
Nick VinZant 0:45
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review, we really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So our first guest has worked in the casino industry for decades. His job is to figure out who's cheating and how they're doing it. This is casino cheating consultant, George Joseph. So how hard is it to cheat at a casino? Well, it
George Joseph 1:21
isn't hard at all, to cheat harder, hard parts getting away with it. There's all kinds of guys that that cheat, lie, do a whole program. Why don't we only catch the amateurs. And I'll show somebody I'll show the surveillance staffer casino staffer cops, the same trick being done by professionals. And then the same trick being done by amateurs and say, What's the difference? One of them is technique. Second is the setup. And third, this is the intangible is that the pros know when not to move, when they feel heat, or they see something that just doesn't sit right with them. They scrubbed the play, and live to fight another day. So a lot of the great great casino Cheats never really got caught in the casino. They got rented out. You know, it's funny, there's an old Arabic saying slept the alum, the Hello said, Is it name Mike Dean. The three of us can keep a secret just as long as I kill both of you.
Nick VinZant 2:37
So how often is this happening? Because in my mind, I feel like this would be like a rare thing. But how often is this happening every day in every casino? Well, not
George Joseph 2:47
every day in every casino but every day. One of the most interesting arrests that I was ever involved in was we caught a fellow sitting in a game with a big black coat and three buttons on his sweep. Well two of the three buttons were false. One of the buttons covered the face of a digital camera lens and the other covered the face of an infrared light. Infrared light is higher than the human eye can see. And they would run up excuse me a wire up his sleeve and under his armpit and down inside into a fanny pack contain four co lithium batteries. And on his back he had an walkie talkie. Understand he's taking pictures, high speed pictures from asleep but he can't he can't see them. So they had a radio on his back with an earpiece that came up to his ear. They cover the wiring with band aids so it looked like he cut himself shaving. Now if he goes to his body, and too often, it'll look too obvious to surveillance or before person so he doesn't control the batteries or the radio with his. With his hands. He controls him with his toes. You're on layers down his pants into his shoes, oversize boots, heavy wool socks, a toe switch and each sock. He raises his right toe turns the power off and onto the battery. Raise the left toe. He turns the earpiece off and on so he can hear his partner. Now he's taking high speed pictures from his buttonhole but he doesn't really know exactly where to aim. So in order to get the video off the game on his back, he's wearing a flat board, two gigahertz microwave plate that connects to a signal strength amplifier so he can shoot at greater distances and go through the concrete and steel of our casino. Their camera is running about Jeez 50 times is faster than a standard surveillance camera. So they could freeze the playing card in midair, they could freeze the shuffle, they could freeze the shuffle machine back in the day, and reconstruct it to see the order of the cards that are going to come out the next game, the next shoe. So this guy is all wired up on the game, and his partner is hiding a little truck in a parking lot. And inside is the high speed recorder, and a 48 inch microwave dish should have been through his back through the casino hit him and his back, tell him where to aim his arm. All this to pick off your whole cart, and pick off shuffles and so on so forth. Alright, so that's the technology they're doing today. Exactly the same thing. But with cell phones. So cell phones are now the biggest threat to table game security.
Nick VinZant 5:59
What are people doing with them, though? They just taking pictures with them or communicating through them? Or how does that
George Joseph 6:05
okay, so current counting is, for instance, is not illegal if you do it in your head. If you keep track, and you know what cards got put away, so that tells you what's left in the shoe. And if a lot of little cards got put away, that means there's a lot of big cards left in the shoe. And if there are big cards left in the shoe, or in the dealer's hand, the players have the advantage. Because of the extra pay off on a blank check, Nick, if you're betting 100 bucks, and the house gets a blackjack, you lose 100 bucks. But if you get exactly the same two cards, you win 150. So the face cards in the aces are more important for the player, not because they get them more often, they get more money when they get them. So most of the time it's flat. But if you notice extra little cards getting put away, and there's extra big cards left, you bet bigger,
Nick VinZant 7:06
you're just kind of stacking the odds a little bit in your favor, or you're
George Joseph 7:09
not stacking them, because you don't make it happen. You just recognize it when it does about 20% of the time, the cards fold just right where the players have the advantage over the house. Now, if you recognize that advantage in your head, that's perfectly legal. If you use a device, and over the years, we've caught them with two switches in each shoe. And you could enter 1248. And they would keep track of all the cards that got played. And then it would vibrate these pans on your thighs to tell you when to bet big or small. Whatever we catch him, strip them down, take the stuff off the body, exit them from the property sometimes aggressively. But if they went to the Gaming Commission, we'd have to give it back. They have devices as simple as a car key, a key fob, you press the door open button to keep track a little cards door closed button. For big cards, you press the trunk button and it vibrates. Long vibrations means it's good for you. Short vibrations means it's good for the house. Now they have cell phones that have playing card recognition. So I have the cell phone running, or have a camera connected to the cell phone. And all they have to do is look at the cards. I don't have to click anything. I don't have to say anything. I don't have to memorize, memorize anything, or keep track of Big and Little. The program does it for me. And then tells me when to bet big and little. So virtually every cheating scheme that was done in the past that involved a hidden camera or technology has now been adapted to be done with cell phones.
Nick VinZant 8:59
So it's kind of the same thing. Just new technology. Absolutely.
George Joseph 9:03
We caught a fella he was playing video poker machine, but he always had his hand under his armpit or under his boob. Like he was scratching himself. But turns out he was a retired rocket scientist. And he had reverse engineered the random number generator of the old video poker machine. So he would enter his cards that he saw Delta on the screen. And back then they would do 10 cards at once. Five that you could see. And five you couldn't see. Well, he was able to see the cards, but he wasn't supposed to see. Now skip ahead to today's gaming world and the Russians. Cheaters have hacked our slot machines, they would wear a cell phone on their body covered mesh and they would take a picture of 20 to 30 outcomes of a particular Our brand platform slot machine, they would live stream those decisions to make a computer. Now, you know, the slot machine computer has a very high speed process by which it goes from one decision to the next. It's interesting to know that as soon as you press that button, the outcome has done the real spin, just to make it look good, but it already knows where it's going. Now, there's a particular speed at which that processor runs, their Mega computer is running 100,000 times faster than our slot machine. And at first, it was incomprehensible to the casino world, to think that somebody could reverse engineer the algorithm of a slot machine. And I said, Well, you dumbass. Some human being wrote that program. So somebody knows exactly how that program goes from one decision to the next. And what are the hidden states, the hidden features, the difficult math, and now you're running at one speed, and I'm analyzing it 100,000 times faster. So they would put their 30 decisions into the, into their program running 100,000 times faster, and it'll go like this, you know, a catch up. Now, they couldn't make a jackpot occur, but they knew how far into the progression bigger payoffs were likely to happen. And then we get a vibration on their leg and have a quarter second to press the button to hopefully get that higher jackpot higher payoff. All right. So just like I told you about the old timers, something just didn't look right. They got caught in casinos, when the Audit Department would send a report to surveillance, saying this particular slot machine had a lot of coin out, money going out, but not enough money going in to justify. Now usually, that just meant that after they collected the money, today, Grandma hit a big jackpot. And so the par value wasn't where it's supposed to be yet. But they got caught in a couple of different joints around the country. Surveillance is watching a customer hover with his finger over the play button, and then just poke at it very quickly poke at it very quickly. And that's kind of what got them on to onto it, something just didn't look right in the play.
Nick VinZant 12:58
If you were to kind of look at it from in terms of like, okay, the casinos priorities with all the things that are going on. One is the lowest number five is the highest. Where on that scale, this kind of cheating fall, like how big of a priority is it for casinos, game
George Joseph 13:16
protection doesn't make any money, it saves money, it gives you a comfort level allows you to sleep at night, my job in many cases, is to give a comfort level. So that if we lose money, that the chairman of the board or the owner of the casino knows it wasn't a scam, it was an advantage play. It was on the square. Now, in the overall scheme, I will take hands per hour and customer service in the casino over game protection. Because if we don't have customers coming in, and we're not good to them when they get here, and we don't offer them what they want to see or experience in our casino, we won't have a hell of a lot of money to protect.
Nick VinZant 14:04
So on that scale of like one to five are we talking like it'd be like a two or
George Joseph 14:09
two or three. You know, there are some interesting schemes that have cost the casinos. In the last, say 10 or 12 years. There's a scheme where the players have a camera in their sleeve. And as they go to put the cut card in before a game. As a courtesy you'd let the customer cut the card while they run the credit card back and forth across the cards being held by the dealer. And and one of those passes, they riffle through the cards with their thumbnail and their hidden camera takes a picture. Now they have a sequence of cards coming out in the next shoe and they know the exact order they can predict the winner or loser in a baccarat game. They know what the hitter standard is Take insurance and blackjack and so on. At any rate, that's probably the maybe the biggest scheme that's happened since in the last 10 or 12 years, we estimate somewhere around 100 million worldwide. And anytime you estimate based on on historic losses, you can, you can assume two or three times that much based on losses that were not attributed to that, or you didn't report them, or you just need didn't even know that it happened to you basically, the other big, there was a big controversy in the gaming world. Based on a fella named Phil Ivey,
Nick VinZant 15:43
the name is familiar poker player, right?
George Joseph 15:46
He's arguably the greatest money poker player, whoever lived will fill a one $12 million in a casino in London, and 9.6 million at the Borgata in Atlantic City in both casinos accused of cheating in the form of edge edge sorting. And the whole thing revolves around playing cards that get printed properly, but they get cut off center a little bit. So if you take any deck of cards, and look at the edge, edge diamonds, or edge border or edge pattern on the card, you will find 60 to 70% of the decks are irregular. And that means nothing. Because if you shuffle the cards properly, spin half of them and wash properly. They can't be taken advantage of. But imagine this make it a simple thing. Let's suppose that we sat down on a on a game, and we spun all the aces and faces in one direction and kept all the little cards in the opposite direction. All that means is in the next hand to play, or the next. Once we've done enough cards, we can look at the dealer's hand and determine with fair accuracy. Do we have high cards or low cards? It doesn't tell us the exact card. It just tells us a group. Well, that's all Phil Ivey actually fell out. He didn't do anything. The girl he was with asked for a particular brand of cards and a particular color. So she knew in advance of these cards were Miss cut. Then she said, I'd like to have a hand shuffle, no machine shop. I mean, no, sorry. No hands shuffle, just a machine shuffle, ordering hands shuffles you wash the cards, that would mess up the pattern, but a machine shuffle. They don't wash him, he just put them into machine. Then she wanted a Mandarin speaking dealer, so she could understand each other. Then she said when you deal the cards before you turn them over, show us each card. And it sounded quirky. But you know, the Asian Asian customers are very the best customers in the world. But they're also superstitious, he acquiesced. They showed him each card. Well, every time she showed him, and they put him back facedown. And then she'd point at the card and go like this and say turn that carryover long lies. And then if she went like this, she said her neck guard over sideways. what she was doing in the first shoe was turning all the nines in the eights and sevens in one direction, and leaving all the weak cards in the opposite. So during the first she will play Phil loss 400,000 or so that's what his attorney told me. During the during the next year we'll play they look at the opening in the shoe. And if it hadn't big diamond, it was a good card. They bid on the player. The player side always got the for boys gets the first card. If it was anything else. They'd been on the bank side because the player was going to get a weak card. So they didn't know the exact card. It's just like me saying to you, Nick, you'd have an advantage by knowing it's a good card. See, but the player if it's a weak card, you bet the bank because the player is going to get a weak card. The mathematicians estimated at about a six or 7% overall advantage. Well in two days of play. He won $12 million in in London.
Nick VinZant 19:49
So they were just looking at the way the cards were cut. And they could get an idea of what the cards were based on the way that the cards were cut when they were manufactured.
George Joseph 19:58
Exactly. That's just some goes that you're supposed to have perfect half Nymans, all around every edge. That's what's supposed to happen. But because they get cut so fast, then you get decks that have a little teeny diamond on one edge, which means the bigger other side of they have bigger diamonds. So that's what they're looking for. They call it registration variance. And it creates an irregular border.
Nick VinZant 20:26
When you look at people like when you look at cheating in casinos, is this usually like just one person or a couple of people doing this? And then they go all over the place doing it are these like really organized networks?
George Joseph 20:39
You get it on the head, there's a combination of both. I mean, look at all the internet play that that Pacman Jones got for adding to a bet they call it capping. All right, he knew he had a winner, he added to his winning bet to try to get more money. Okay, that's a ridiculously so simple and stupid thing to do, especially if you got a camera over your head, your dumb ass. Okay, so that's the amateur, the professionals that attempt those sorts of things. They may mark the cards, for instance, we had a crew who had been arrested over two dozen times in the States. And they've been playing a face up game cards were face up. And so the players would not be able to touch the cards, but they would bet minimum bats and always through a tip to the dealer. And when the dealer would take the tip, a customer would take a chip, and he press on the face up face cards, the 10s and 10s and face cards, and it would create a bump on the back of the card. All right, well, they did it for minimum bets. Five bucks. If the floor person came by they stopped. Once they marked up a shoe, they would leave. And two or three hours later, their partners would show up. They wouldn't bet 500 or 1000 Maximum bets, they bet 50 100. And they win five or 6000. They just knew they didn't know every card they knew was a face card or not. If you're gonna get a face card, you bet big. If there's a face card in the hole, you take insurance. If the face card is coming out, it would break your hand you don't take it. So they're an organized crew. And they got the they targeted the entire gaming world. Full shuffled scheme, guys, the Tran organization were indicted in San Diego on 28 counts, well 28 counts that they could prove. There were dozens and dozens more where they knew they had hit the casino, but did not have enough video, or overkill to put it in into the indictment. And they went for years. And the estimate similar on 12 or 15 million. And in some cases, we've even had customers come to us and said, Hey, Nick, just put extra money on his bet. Can I do that too. And so they get wrapped it up one of the funniest ones, the dealers would take their tips, they have to tap the bankroll to make a sound to let the floor person know that they were getting a tip and they put it in their top pocket. And then when they were done, they have to take it and go to a big box in the middle of the pit and put all the tips into that box. And collectively the dealers would pull that money and share equally. So a casino executive goes to the shirt maker one day to have a shirt made and they're talking back and forth what casino Oh, I'm over at the MGM or whatever the hell the casino was. Oh, hey, do you want one of those special pockets we talking about? Is that pocket we got that slide in it. The kid went to the shirt maker had to make a special pocket that if you put money in, it would slide down into his underwear at first then if he would just press it like this, like Velcro would seal it. So the last few tips would go in the pocket. He could turn it inside out and show me a few tips going into the box the rest of them were down in in his underwear he were actually wear pantyhose so they wouldn't fall through and fall on the floor. And he got rid of it up by the tailor
Nick VinZant 24:28
Are you ready for some harder slash listener submitted questions? Sure. easiest game to cheat at
George Joseph 24:33
the vast majority of cheating that I see now is being done in player clubs in the slots where people are stealing free play or getting working in concert with an inside person to load up a playing customer card with extra for free play. Okay, that's a whole separate issue that's the slots baccarat depending on on who you Get two is the big game for organized cheaters simply because so much money can be risked on so few cards.
Nick VinZant 25:11
If you can track the cards, there's a big payout, a big
George Joseph 25:15
payout. here's the here's the thing. If you and I Nick conspired to steal one hand of blackjack, we're gonna win one bet. But with the same number of cards, we've still a baccarat hand. That could be seven bets, because everybody can bet on the same cards, and in some cases, 14 bets. And if some of the casinos in Southern California allow back betting over the shoulder betting, you can have 42 bets on the on the same number of cards. So baccarat has that advantage for the cheaters or the advantage play. Take a simple example. If you knew the first card and a blackjack game was an ace, you have a big advantage 52% But you're the only one is going to get that ace, the first customer is going to get the first card. What if in Baccarat, you knew the first card was a nine? That means the player side is going to get the most powerful card in Baccarat. Well, not only you but everybody else on the table can bet the bank. They can everybody can move back and forth between player and bank. So that's why baccarat has been the game of choice for the big cheaters because so much money is risked on so few cards.
Nick VinZant 26:35
Which one is the which one's the hardest one to cheat that?
George Joseph 26:40
Well, that's a tough question hard. It's not hard, hard to cheat at any game. If you're willing to put the dedication and some of the great thieves I knew they worked a little differently. In the old days, there was a great old crew of dice cheaters fellow has been dead for years, I can mention his name Glenn Grayson. And grant Glen had a crew of dice cheaters. And one of the ways they work and they were very good. And they had all the guts in the world. And they knew when to move when not to move. But one of the ways they they pulled off a scheme. It was one step short of pulling a gun, then walk up to the shift boss on duty that night. And they say you know who we are, right? Well, you're in for 15%. And he'd nod his head and you think he'd leave the casino and go right there and standby in the craps table. And you'd see if a dealer saw anybody do a move, slide the dice, put a cube down, add to a bet. Whatever the hell they were doing. If they looked up kind of and they saw the boss just sitting like this, staring at them. They knew to keep their mouth shut. Okay, so any game can be cheated. That
Nick VinZant 27:53
somewhat couple of the questions kind of revolve around that topic is like what was the most complex one you ever saw were like, wow, that was That was smart.
George Joseph 28:02
The camera of the sleeve things pretty intricate because they lasted over seven years that I know of. And it was because they stayed small. They would only win 1000 or 1500 bucks. And in a casino the size of Belize or MGM one of those big joints that isn't even hit the hit sheet. Nobody even pays attention to it. When they went when they stole 90,000 And a part of one shoe and baccarat at the Gold Coast. 60,000 at the frontier. That's when people start calling me badly. So we got 10 joints go see if you can find out what's going on. I analyzed their video and realized it was a camera. I do what I do. The cops do what they do. It took four months, but we snatched them up in Atlantic City. So and they stayed small. And they were smart. They had different collectors. You know, if the same guy keeps speaking you for 1000 or 1500 at a time over and over and over again. It just doesn't look right. So they would burn and churn their collectors. So let's suppose Nikki, you're the collector. And I'm a guy with the whole wired up with the devices. You don't know me, you don't know that I have what I have on my body. You don't know anything about any truck in a parking lot. All you know is if I give you a signal, you do one thing. If I give you another signal, you do something else. If I give you the cut sign that means scrub the plane get up and leave. So the real professional crews have lasted an awful long time. So the real smart crews burn and churn their collectors.
Nick VinZant 29:53
Was there ever one that you couldn't figure out how they were doing it?
George Joseph 29:56
years ago? I was looking at a on what I know, was marked card play, I didn't get a chance to see the actual playing cards, but nothing in the play suggested to me how they actually had marked the cards. Now you can mark cards, high and low, just you know good from bad. You can mark individual groups, high, medium and low, you can mark by absolute value. So I know an ace from a king from a queen from a jack, and so on. Well, it seemed to me watching the play, that these fellas knew the absolute value of every card. I'll swear to this day, when I showed the video on a training class, there's no way you can dispute the fact they know the whole card. They know the next card coming. It doesn't mean they win every hand. But the beat this one joined for a buck 80 180,000. All right. But I never got to see the cards. So was an inside job? I don't know, did they mark them in advance? And then the other guys came in and played it? I don't know. So those are the ones that bother me. Because even 10 or 15 years later, I find myself studying the film and saying what should what that help? How do they? How do they know that guard? Yeah.
Nick VinZant 31:27
Do you think it'll change in the future? Do you think that anything lies ahead in the future, there's like, Okay, this is going to end it or make it much worse.
George Joseph 31:36
You know, I say, I start off my mark cart training class by saying the worst Mark card in the world, and the best Mark card in the world do exactly the same thing. They just tell you what the front of the cart is, before you make a decision. So the technology, no doubt, has changed drastically. And it's going to make it easier. It's going to make it more intriguing for the bad guys. And more difficult in some cases. But if you saw Mark Car Play, from the old days, and Mark car play from the New Days, it still looks like Mark current play. The method, the modus operandi, how did they do it has changed. And that's going to keep changing based on technology. I mean, look at the casinos that have been targeted when you get a phone call. And the kid in the cage thinks he's talking to the owner. And the owner says, put a million and a half dollars in a bag and bring it to some guy in a parking lot. And it's been going on casinos all over the country all over the world.
Nick VinZant 32:44
Waits for there has been some scams where somebody would just pretend to be like a boss and tell somebody else meet me in the parking lot with money.
George Joseph 32:51
Absolutely. One of the big casinos on the street in downtown Las Vegas, targeted for a million and a half joint and kin west coast of michigan 700,000. When it comes to an accounting thing, they've changed, they've had vendors call and change your bank routing number. And they don't realize I got your bank information. So payments that should have gone to your electrical company are not coming to me. And I snatch that money up and run
Nick VinZant 33:24
to casinos cheap.
George Joseph 33:27
That's a great question. It really is. Because used to bother me. Well, first of all, we don't cheat customers. We just have a built in niche. Number two, you get snatched up for stealing my money. And then you and then you you whine about getting slapped around a little and thrown out. Why don't you just not steal my money? In 1931 on the open legal gaming in Nevada, there were six sides on the dice 38 numbers on a wheel 52 cards in the deck balanced. Skip ahead 90 years, it's exactly the same thing. Except for six to five blackjack and certain side bets on the games. So the casino has the same mathematic rate of win that they've had for 100 years. So in selected areas. Small joints. Yeah. But you're you're a joint MGM you got 50 joints around the country. You're going to take a chat shot of losing gaming licenses in all 50 jurisdictions or dozen jurisdictions to try to cheat on a game and then and then hope that everybody keeps their mouth shut. The intangible always goes back to people brag. People get drunk and stupid. People shoot their mouths off. People use it to get out of jail free. That's going to be the one thing that thieves can't change. I
Nick VinZant 35:00
want to thank George so much for joining us if you want to connect with him, we have linked to him on our social media sites. We're Profoundly Pointless on tik, Tok, Instagram and YouTube. And we've also included his information in the episode description. If you want to see more of how some of these cheating techniques are done. The YouTube version of this episode will be live on February 15. At 12:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of the show. Do you feel like an adult? Yes,
John Shull 35:36
you do. I do feel like an adult. Absolutely.
Nick VinZant 35:42
Oh, I feel nothing like an adult. I feel like a child masquerading as an adult.
John Shull 35:48
What's supposed to make me feel like an adult? And I guess I
Nick VinZant 35:51
don't know, just like, like, because I don't feel like I know what I'm doing. Like, I still feel like a little kid just trying to like get through life.
John Shull 36:01
I mean, there's moments of my life where I go back to being an eight year old, I think, or have feelings like that. But on an everyday basis, no, man, when you roll out of bed and it hurts, you're like I'm an adult, these bones have lived some things.
Nick VinZant 36:18
Oh, like, I feel physically older. But I don't feel like a mentally like I'm an adult at all.
John Shull 36:24
I mean, your hairline hasn't changed since you were seven. But that's that's fine. And
Nick VinZant 36:29
according to our audience, I pulled the audience 60% of people who are adults say that they say that? No, they don't feel like an adult. Only 35% of people said they actually feel like an adult. Maybe you're just a grumpy old man.
John Shull 36:45
I think I think I know plenty of angry old men. I would not classify me as one of them. You are
Nick VinZant 36:52
an old soul, though. Like, I feel like if you could pick a timeframe to live in, you would live in like the 1940s.
John Shull 36:57
I mean, simpler is better. I appreciate. I appreciate investing time in something, and getting to know everything about something, which is whether it's a record, or a book or making a meal. As we're you know, nowadays everything is, you know, instant gratification. Right? You don't have any of that. So yes, I guess I would classify myself as an old soul. Oh, I'd
Nick VinZant 37:23
much rather live in the future. I feel like we're at this awkward stage right now, where like technology is pretty helpful. But it's not like super helpful yet. I wish I lived another 100 years in the future.
John Shull 37:36
I may regret saying this, as I do most things that I opened my mouth with on this podcast. But I don't know if I ever want to see the first actual robot like that does human things and is sold commercially?
Nick VinZant 37:52
Oh, I don't really want to see that either. To be honest with you, I think the whole going down the road of AI and all that kind of stuff is really messing with something that maybe we shouldn't be messing with. I think that could be fundamental changes in society. But I absolutely want my limbs to be able to be replaced with robotic stuff. I want to be 80 years old with like, 20 year old robot knees.
John Shull 38:14
Here's the thing, though, is kind of what kind of the question at its at its core, I feel they can replace the stuff that doesn't truly age, right? Like you can replace an arm and leg. But you can't replace your heart. I don't I don't want to see that. Man. If my arm goes, just let it go. Like I don't want a robot arm when I'm 80 Oh,
Nick VinZant 38:36
I absolutely want robot arms. Why wouldn't you want robot body parts? I get what you're saying in the sense of like, look, when my heart goes when my lung goes. It's time for me to go. I'm okay with that. And I agree with you. But I absolutely want robot arms and body parts. Like I want to be able to be still be doing stuff.
John Shull 38:54
What what robot part would you want the most? Oh,
Nick VinZant 38:58
legs. Okay. Yeah, dude, I'm not going there. I'm not gonna use it at that age anyway. But I absolutely want robot legs.
John Shull 39:09
Yeah, I mean, obviously, they're probably most useful, but are useful. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it. But yes, getting back to the question. Yes, I do feel like an adult. I'm
Nick VinZant 39:20
going to go down the exact list of things that I want to be replaced with robotics. Number one is going to be my legs. I feel like my legs and specifically my knees and my hips. I want to be replaced by robots. Number two is going to be my back. Number three is going to be my shoulder. Number four is going to be my arms. Number five is going to be my neck. I feel like that's the way of things that are going to go.
John Shull 39:40
And that is why you should feel like an adult because everything you just mentioned, I assume bothers you or nags you currently Correct? No. Oh, okay. All right. Well, then, you still sounded like an old man right there. I started going after I get Like after I do shoulders now our chest her back.
Nick VinZant 40:02
Oh my God, here comes the gym.
John Shull 40:05
I put on a heating pad.
Nick VinZant 40:07
Oh my god.
John Shull 40:08
My shoulder just hurts so bad like it just I probably should go get it checked out. But it just hurts so bad. I feel like such an old man.
Nick VinZant 40:18
Yeah, dude, that's that's what's gonna happen right like when you don't really exercise then all of a sudden you're fucking Joe something somebody I just that's the problem is now I can't keep up like I don't even know who the cool workout people do insults you with? Like I say Arnold Schwarzenegger anymore like
John Shull 40:39
you know I was in my basement the other day
Nick VinZant 40:41
Oh God, what was the weather like? I'm gonna it's gonna have a checklist and I'm just gonna go Dean for every time that you bring up the weather your basement or you go into the gym?
John Shull 40:53
I would I don't know how I would feel if somebody made that T shirt have that that would be hilarious. Like shows episode checklist,
Nick VinZant 41:00
Episode checklist. I think that you should go ding whenever somebody brings up the weather in conversation. Somebody should just be like, dang,
John Shull 41:08
it's unseasonably warm here.
Nick VinZant 41:12
Listen, I'm not talking about the weather.
John Shull 41:17
We're all men. What do you what do you old men talk about besides scorned lovers, alcohol and the weather?
Nick VinZant 41:24
Oh, I don't bring up scorned lovers at all. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. We are both married man who had been married for quite some time. You've Have you ever brought up an ex girlfriend to your wife?
John Shull 41:36
Yeah, I mean, all. When we first started dating, I mean, probably within the I mean, I don't specifically remember a time recently, but probably within the last couple of months. I mean, it's, it's not like you and you and I met our wives at an older age. Maybe not that old but older. So like you knew, you know, you had fires? Yeah, I mean, you had prior things. It's not like it's, you know, oh,
Nick VinZant 42:06
maybe this is a me and my wife thing. I don't know, I had never brought up a single x ever, in her presence, or talked about in any form or capacity ever, at all. So
John Shull 42:21
we sit there and say, you know, what was the best time sex wise that you had? Besides me? It's not like anything like that. But you know, you have memories, life memories, things like that. I mean, it gets brought up from time to time and you
Nick VinZant 42:35
bring that up, I would never bring that up.
John Shull 42:39
Alright, let's get some shoutouts Adam Borland or Borland is probably boring it's probably not
Nick VinZant 42:44
Borland not bored land, I would assume more land.
John Shull 42:47
How? Isaac Duda Sebastian plug Dario also shared that that's how you say that same. Christelle pz Harrison Gerbert. Max Briscoe grant hey good. I like a grant the grant is you know grant is not a name that you have very often but it's yeah. Can
Nick VinZant 43:11
be more than I can deal with more maxes too
John Shull 43:15
I prefer Maxine actually. I like Maxine that's like a never know what you're getting with a Maxine.
Nick VinZant 43:23
Oh, I think I know exactly what you're getting. You're getting a talking to you're getting you're gonna hear some some complainings of somebody's name, Maxine.
John Shull 43:32
All right, let's wrap this up. Travis Gilroy, Rosa Jackson, Jake Simons, and Zach Williams. Congratulations. Congratulations. Alright, so we're just gonna keep the train rolling here. Picked out 10 random ass things. We'll see what Nick responds everybody reacts to these with we'll start off here with the water buffalo
Nick VinZant 44:03
No, I don't care about the water buffalo. It just doesn't do anything for me. Like I get it. It looks a little bit different and has those like horns that kind of swooped around a little bit, but I don't care about a water buffalo. I don't genuinely care about any kind of animals like that.
John Shull 44:18
I'm right there with you. I don't even know what how or what they contribute to society are a couple of Super Bowl related things because obviously this is the episode after the Super Bowl. Well, let's just start off with the obvious one here. Taylor Swift
Nick VinZant 44:35
didn't watch the Super Bowl at all. Did not watch the Super Bowl except for now listen, I think that other men will agree with me especially gambling men. I'm not a gambler, but I've known many a gambler in my life. So we watched the Super Bowl. We put it on for maybe 45 seconds to a minute. Turn it on. San Francisco was down We wanted San Francisco to win. Turn it on San Francisco was down. San Francisco scored. When this happened, the volume on the TV was off. Now my wife said, can you turn it up? I said, No, we can't turn it up. They just scored when the volume was down. If we turn it up, then it could throw off the momentum. She was like, That's dumb. That's stupid. Just turn it up. So we turned on the volume. What do you think happens the very next second, they go to kick the extra field gold gets blocked. I don't think that's a coincidence.
John Shull 45:37
You're right, you not turning up the volume, or turning down the volume is what led to the 40 Niners blowing the lead for sure.
Nick VinZant 45:46
Exactly. We jinxed him. And I told her right after that, and I was like, Look, that's why you don't turn the volume on. You don't make a change. When you're hitting Well, you don't suddenly decide that you're going to change clothing or change your underwear or go to the other side of the batter's box. You stick with it. We call it a game.
John Shull 46:07
The next one should be fun here. Since you didn't watch a lick. Usher
Nick VinZant 46:11
didn't see it. The video overall I like Usher. I prefer to call them Hirscher did ludicrous come out?
John Shull 46:18
He did Yes. And these gigantic shoes, big ass shoes that not sure why he wore them? It was pushing that for some reason. fashion statement. I'm not.
Nick VinZant 46:29
There's gotta be something coming up. Like he's gonna launch a boot brand or something like that. Like I saw some other thing on the Grammys. And like Beyonce was dressed like a cowboy. Like why is she dressed like that? She looks ridiculous. And then she puts out like a country themed. Oh, okay, now I get it.
John Shull 46:43
Oh boy. Ah, all right. Aluminum water bottles.
Nick VinZant 46:49
What's the deal with water bottles? What is this thing with water bottles that everybody's going after water bottles. Like it's something great when I was a kid. You had like one three second drink of water a day. And that was all you needed. Now. We've got to be like, hydrated nonstop for some reason.
John Shull 47:07
I mean, I think because it's it's what has been pushed into our brains that you you know, real health and fitness depends on how hydrated you are.
Nick VinZant 47:16
Oh, hydration has become like the cure for everything. Like well, did you have water and I got I never had it before.
John Shull 47:25
I mean, there's lots of people who just drink beer, who are just fine and healthy, in that, you know, didn't have a lick of water. But let's just all start drinking water, I guess. building blocks of life. All right, Patrick mahomes
Nick VinZant 47:41
Ever since I heard somebody compare him to Kermit the Frog, I can't unsee it. And all I think of is Kermit the Frog. Seems to be a great quarterback. I don't really know that much about those things. Seems like it'd be a nice guy. Good for him this
John Shull 47:53
system quarterback just like Brady was. Alright. What is the what what is a flood tog?
Nick VinZant 48:00
Oh, a flu talk. A flu talk is the thing that Red Bull does where they have like a platform. They try to make fake planes. And then they push it off the platform and see who goes as far as they can. My family and I have started to do this thing. My wife and I partake and things the Washington legally allows. And we sit there and we watch different things on YouTube with our two children on Sunday. He needs snacks, and it's fantastic. And we've been watching different sports. We watched ski ballet with you. You haven't seen ski ballet. I don't think I've ever laughed that hard in my entire life. We've also watched competitive dodgeball, which was incredible. We watched breakdancing we watched gymnastics, tumbling, and we watched food talk. So we watch a new thing to try to expose our children to new and diverse things that maybe they would enjoy when they become adults.
John Shull 48:49
Flu tog that's that's definitely just rolls off the tongue there, doesn't it?
Nick VinZant 48:54
I mean something I don't know what it means, but it hasn't meaning.
John Shull 48:57
Probably put your fake airplane off of fake log. I thought it was funny. All right. Well, that's
Nick VinZant 49:08
why that's why I purposely didn't laugh at all this this just didn't leave you completely hanging.
John Shull 49:14
Did you sap in to see that the next couple of days? I mean, if you didn't watch any Superbowl commercials, or it's not gonna matter. The done kings.
Nick VinZant 49:25
No, I this is the thing man is like once something becomes popular, I refuse to be associated with it so that I don't have to talk to people about
John Shull 49:35
that you're killing me, Smalls. We're absolutely I'm fine with not conforming to the social norm. But that commercial which was aired during the Super Bowl, which was for Dunkin Donuts was basically Tom Brady, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon in a boy band called the gun kings. And it's hilarious and now I don't know if they will still have this for sale on their website but you could like buy the tracksuits on Dunkin Donuts website.
Nick VinZant 50:07
I did see something about this and to take this in a bad direction. I also saw that Dunkin Donuts is one of the largest, I think has more employees on food stamps than any other company. Maybe they should invest that money in their workers. Instead of paying Tom Brady to do stuff. How'd you like that answer?
John Shull 50:28
I mean, that's why we do this. I guess. I did. Alright, well, let's shift gears, copper copper mugs.
Nick VinZant 50:35
Oh, wasn't that a big trend a little while ago, I was a big trend. And I actually bought my wife, two copper mugs, maybe even four copper mugs, which were much more expensive than they thought that they were going to be because you think a copper mug is gonna be like $5 but it's like 40 bucks. And I don't think she ever used them.
John Shull 50:51
Now if that was me, you would be lambasted me for what do you need for copper mugs?
Nick VinZant 50:56
Well, they came in and said she really wanted him was for a birthday present. And besides, you would go out there, you would already have four copper mugs, but I don't like this particular color of copper. So I'm gonna go ahead and get another four copper mugs. And then you would end up having like 24 copper mugs that you weren't using it all.
John Shull 51:12
See how many how many do I have hanging? I have 10 Hanging up right here
Nick VinZant 51:16
you have 10 cars. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't buy one useless thing. You buy seven useless things.
John Shull 51:24
They come in handy. They're good for Moscow Mules.
Nick VinZant 51:29
What percentage of things that you buy? Would you say that you actually use?
John Shull 51:33
Oh, 90 to 100%. Really?
Nick VinZant 51:37
No, no, no, no, no, no, not use once or twice? What percentage of things that you buy? Would you say you regularly use?
John Shull 51:47
I've been I'm still gonna say 70 to 80%. I mean, I don't I don't buy things I don't usually buy like you know things for myself for like leisure purposes.
Nick VinZant 51:59
I would say that's probably number is probably about right then about 20 to 30% of stuff that people buy. They really don't use it very much.
John Shull 52:08
I mean, if I do buy something like a throwaway item or something, it usually gets thrown away pretty fast. So I
Nick VinZant 52:13
have a $500 Inflatable raft that I've used three times good good for you actually is a kayak now that I think about it technically. I don't know what the difference between a kayak canoe and a raft is but whatever.
John Shull 52:31
I don't actually know the difference between the three of those either probably how many people you can see, maybe a
Nick VinZant 52:37
kayak I think you can like sit in and like kind of comes around you and a canoe is like well, this thing is technically a kayak. Maybe a canoe is just bigger. Okay, now I'm gonna have to look this up. Dammit. Oh, when I close that thing. Okay. Do you have any any more? Yeah, beach ball. Oh, just awesome. I love beach balls. Man. That's a great time. beach balls, dodge balls and those kinds of softer balls. Softer balls don't get used nearly enough as they should. We're too focused on hard balls and we should be really playing with soft balls
John Shull 53:13
all right. Unit brows.
Nick VinZant 53:16
Hilarious. Every time. Every time I see a unibrow I
John Shull 53:20
laugh but do you feel bad for people who think that that is like the regular and fashionable?
Nick VinZant 53:29
I don't think that anybody thinks that it's fashionable. I think that there's one or two like professional athletes where it's really bad so they've made it like their look, but I don't think that anybody thinks that that is fashionable. I think everybody tries to control that.
John Shull 53:43
All right, last one here, Jelly Roll.
Nick VinZant 53:45
The the what is it? Like? This? The
John Shull 53:51
singer jelly. It's
Nick VinZant 53:52
somebody that like I have seen this person but every time I've seen it I've just been like I'm not getting into that. I watched pausable deniability. I don't know any of the songs. I don't know. I bet I've heard that they must have some story they got really popular. But like I don't like now I don't have not invested my time in that like I'm not gonna start watching that show.
John Shull 54:14
It's not it's a man who says serve jail time. Yeah, got out and as is reformed now and has the voice of an angel.
Nick VinZant 54:23
Oh
John Shull 54:25
COVID Alright, what's the difference between a raft kayak and flood tog?
Nick VinZant 54:30
Actually, I stopped looking at it. It looked like too long of an answer for me to go ahead and look at it looked like one of those answers were after you read it. They you still don't know what the difference is.
John Shull 54:40
All right. Well, there we was. Just skip to the best.
Nick VinZant 54:42
Okay. All right. So our top five is top five messy foods to eat. What's your number five.
John Shull 54:52
So are we basing this upon how many stains I have on my clothes from these things? Or how messy they are? The moment because it's kind of a different atmosphere, but I'll try to blend them as well as I can.
Nick VinZant 55:06
I'm okay you asked my what my asking for my opinion, um, what we're doing and then just continue to go straight into what you were doing is if the answer and matter not of whatsoever, so why bother? Yeah, what are we doing here while I'm doing this? Oh no, I'm just dude you do do you man do you big player doing
John Shull 55:22
I'm just doing it I learned from the best man. Anyway, so my number five I mean this has to be on the list somewhere. So I've soup.
Nick VinZant 55:32
I don't have any problems eating soup. I don't find soup to be a difficult food to eat to be honest with you. Just don't overfill the spoon. There you go.
John Shull 55:41
It's funny herbal soup, milk. Any of those type of liquids that you put on a spoon? are just they're just messy. They're terrible.
Nick VinZant 55:50
I really don't have any problem with them. I don't know what you're doing it you get trying to get like, man, don't fill it all the way up. Like just go three quarters and I don't think that you'll have this. This problem.
John Shull 56:04
I love filling it all the way up.
Nick VinZant 56:08
My number five is corn on the cob. I always had not not corn on the cob. Not because it's really a messy food to eat like in terms of gets all over your your hands, but because it just gets in your tea.
John Shull 56:21
Yeah, I mean, that's that's fair. I mean, I don't consider that messy. I'm definitely going with more like physical.
Nick VinZant 56:30
I consider. Yeah, for me, it's the teeth like I consider corn on the cob for the teeth factor and like I gotta get this out of my teeth now.
John Shull 56:40
My number for a powdered donuts. Oh,
Nick VinZant 56:42
yeah. Yeah, there's no way you're coming out of that clean.
John Shull 56:47
I mean, you look like you either jerked off. Casper or you just did you know a line of coke? I'm not sure. I don't
Nick VinZant 56:56
know about jerking off Casper. I don't know what kind of doughnuts you're eaten that you would look like that. But I mean, I understand having some sugar on. Yeah, I don't know. You.
John Shull 57:07
So the first thing I thought of right? I don't know
Nick VinZant 57:08
if it makes sense. My number four is a mango. It's basically impossible to not come out with a sticky mess if you're trying to like peel and eat a mango.
John Shull 57:22
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's, that's fair. I thought about putting an orange on my list. But I didn't. But that would probably be the closest thing to a fruit I'd have on here. I
Nick VinZant 57:32
don't have any difficulty with an orange or an orange there was actually remember that. Apparently, I am very good at peeling things. Because I remember a time in which John and I used to work together and I remember sitting across from him watching him struggle to peel an orange. And he somehow had gotten it into literally like 20 to 30 pieces. I was like, What are you doing? Like you probably do not peel oranges. Well, that's
John Shull 58:00
I actually bought a like a little tool that helps me heal them properly. I can't do it, man.
Nick VinZant 58:08
Do you bring that out in public? You can't. You can't like Yeah,
John Shull 58:12
I mean, I I probably have an orange every other day. So I mean, I actually I have I have two I have one in my desk drawer and wanted one at home.
Nick VinZant 58:25
So you can't do that stuff right there. Like there is no way for me as a person that I could see somebody with like a tool that helped them peel oranges and not think that they were an idiot.
John Shull 58:39
I mean, it's been great for me so I it helps. I'll tell you that it's not like it's you know, it's not like it's been a detriment. I can tell you that. Okay. All right. My number three I have really can be any kind of like meat pie, but I went with sloppy Joe's specifically.
Nick VinZant 58:57
I thought about putting sloppy Joe's on the list, but I don't have not really had that many struggles with sloppy Joe's. I can't think of a time that I'd be like Damn these sloppy Joe's. Oh,
John Shull 59:08
it's they're terrible. It's yeah, unless you have an oversized like onion rollers something you put them on and then when you go to bite, they come out one end. It's just It's terrible. Waste
Nick VinZant 59:20
so but also I grew up in a city where we had this restaurant called new way that specialized in like sloppy joes. So maybe I had more experience from a younger age eating sloppy joes in a proper manner.
John Shull 59:35
Maybe we should have a sloppy joe professional eater on or somebody I don't know if there is probably not there as to me though.
Nick VinZant 59:42
My number three is smores that's gonna be a gooey mess.
John Shull 59:46
Yeah, that's that's a good one. S'mores are good. I just I don't recall the last time I had s'mores.
Nick VinZant 59:52
No, not a very popular thing. It's one of those things is you're always like, Oh, I can make some more is a bit like is kind of a pain in the ass. It's a lot like too much work
John Shull 1:00:04
for the robots. Do I really want to? Is it worth it? Yeah, no, no, no my number two is basically anything with peanut butter.
Nick VinZant 1:00:17
How is peanut butter messy? Peanut butter is easy. It sticks to itself. Oh, it's
John Shull 1:00:22
terrible. I always get it everywhere. Like if you want me to make you a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. It's it looks like a four year old made it. It's ridiculous.
Nick VinZant 1:00:32
Here's the thing, right? Like before you were talking about how you feel like an adult. But yet you struggled with peanut butter jelly sandwiches and peeling oranges.
John Shull 1:00:45
It doesn't mean that I'm coordinated.
Nick VinZant 1:00:47
Do you but you're not uncoordinated? I've seen you play sports. I wouldn't say that. You are uncoordinated person.
John Shull 1:00:56
I will appreciate that. I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, it just it's anything with peanut butter. Even when I try to make like peanut butter curry or something. I get it all over the place. Or I get it on me and then it gets it's you know, it's just it's a fucking nightmare. Okay, that's all I got to say.
Nick VinZant 1:01:12
I mean, it's a little hard to get off a spoon. What do you use? Maybe you're using the wrong tools. If you're gonna make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for your kids. What utensil? Are you using?
John Shull 1:01:23
a butter knife.
Nick VinZant 1:01:24
Oh, use a spoon. It's way easier
John Shull 1:01:29
to spread it on the bread. Yeah, you
Nick VinZant 1:01:32
just dig it out. Put it there. Spread it on the side. It's not like it's not really difficult. It's just a flat surface. Like all you need is a flat surface to spread something a spoon has a reasonably flat surface on it. It's not like, Oh, I'll never be able to do it.
John Shull 1:01:48
Oh, well. I bought myself a peanut butter and jelly tool.
Nick VinZant 1:01:54
I'm surprised. I bet you would too. Do you? Do you have I do have something that cuts? Do you have something that cuts the crust off of sandwiches?
John Shull 1:02:03
Yes, but not specific. Not? No, no, hold on, hold on. Not specifically the shapes. So like, I can cut the sandwiches in the shapes. It's not necessarily but don't you just mash the bread? No, man cuz I got delicate fingers, man. Obviously
Nick VinZant 1:02:22
not you can't peel an orange.
John Shull 1:02:26
Oranges are tough. And everyone out there that's listening to this is like yeah, Schultz kind of right or just do suck to peel.
Nick VinZant 1:02:31
I don't have any difficulty peeling an orange. Maybe I'm alone on this. But I also remember we're going through a hard boiled egg kick at my house. And I watched my wife tried to peel a hard boiled egg and like she couldn't do it. And I was just like this. All you gotta do is like this.
John Shull 1:02:47
Those are tough, especially if you boil them you know, and you don't honor there's some trick or something to do. But if you don't do it, you're going to be pilling it piece by piece I feel for your wife,
Nick VinZant 1:02:57
I can do the whole thing reliably in three pieces. Saw a lot of times in just one big one.
John Shull 1:03:08
What's your number two?
Nick VinZant 1:03:09
My number two is actually spaghetti. Because it's that last like where you feel like that sauce is gonna get all over you.
John Shull 1:03:19
I you know I actually don't recall a time where I've had issues with with spaghetti or noodles. But
Nick VinZant 1:03:28
do you take the whole noodle though? You take the whole noodle in your mouth? Are you trying to like No, I only one Little Noodles each out. You cut it up a little bit? No,
John Shull 1:03:36
I don't cut my noodles up. I like to take it long and slimy.
Nick VinZant 1:03:44
Now he's I mean, yeah, we could have kept going but like it was harder to keep that one going than I thought it would be. Okay, anyway, what's your number one?
John Shull 1:03:51
So it's chicken wings. And I love it. I love everything about the messiness, the chicken wings. I love the sauce that gets under your fingernail. fingernails. I love you know, going home and just smelling it for hours until you take a shower. It's just it's awesome. I love it. I
Nick VinZant 1:04:10
don't want to ever eat a chicken wing that doesn't leave me with something on my fingers or my shirt. It's not a chicken wing in my regard. If I come away clean from a chicken wing, then I didn't have a chicken wink.
John Shull 1:04:25
You said that very matter of factly so I believe you.
Nick VinZant 1:04:27
Oh yeah, I agree. 100% agree what's in your honorable mention.
John Shull 1:04:31
So of ice cream, specifically ice cream sandwiches. Hmm. Because those those songs Yeah,
Nick VinZant 1:04:38
I guess that's true. I don't have Do you have trouble with ice cream cones? No,
John Shull 1:04:43
because I eat it so fast. Yeah, me too. Like it's not even I'm
Nick VinZant 1:04:48
not even wait for me. Not wait for that thing to melt.
John Shull 1:04:51
No, man. This is pretty. Like these aren't very common but like crab legs. Like those are messy whenever I've had them
Nick VinZant 1:04:59
I've never had any like fancy seafood stuff like I've never had lobster. I mean, I've had lobster and like other things, but I've never had like, a lobster or a crab legs or anything like that.
John Shull 1:05:15
Ya know, it's a desert. Yeah, I don't know how it's that they're delicious. I mean, it's literally the attendance of the crabs lake like it's nice and, like tender but for anyways, no one cares. Um, I have like a fast food hamburger. Like those are always usually pretty messy like Culvers Big Mac, something like that. Okay, okay. And I have two final things. Like chili cheese fries.
Nick VinZant 1:05:46
Yeah,
John Shull 1:05:46
I'd personally agree with that. Yeah, and a watermelon.
Nick VinZant 1:05:50
I don't really have any difficulty with watermelon, but I'm a big fan of watermelon and know how to cut watermelon correctly. I would absolutely agree with you with cheese fries. I can I can make a case that you could say that nachos can be a little messy. Yeah, for sure. But that's one of those things too that like if nachos aren't messy then I don't they're not nachos. Needs to not smothered? Nacho cheese. Oh, I thought of it. Wait a minute. I thought of a line. Like you know how we were talking about action movies. Okay, and it was but I was gonna be like, it would be like if I killed somebody like a Mexican themed restaurant for an action movie. I'd be like, hope he didn't want enchiladas because it's not show day. And then like, throw them in the fryer or something.
John Shull 1:06:43
You just ended there.
Nick VinZant 1:06:45
Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps us out and let us know what you think are some of the messiest foods. I think ribs honestly should have been higher on that list, because they can be a big mess. But let us know what you think are some of the messiest foods around. Thanks for joining us.
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