From record-setting trips across Antarctica to crossing the North Pole in middle of Arctic night, legendary Polar Explorer Borge Ousland has been exploring the coldest, most remote regions on Earth for more than 30 years. We talk Polar Exploration, dangers on the ice and the last great polar expedition. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Juices.
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Interview with Polar Explorer Borge Ousland
Nick VinZant 0:11
Welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant. Coming up in this episode polar exploration, and juices,
Borge Ousland 0:19
sometimes, the ice opens open, you see the dark water that reminds you that you're actually skiing on top of an ocean. I've been in situations in the start when I thought that, wow, this is never going to work, then it gets completely black, completely black.
Nick VinZant 0:40
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review, we really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guest. He is the first person to complete a solo expedition across Antarctica. And he has also crossed the north pole in the middle of Arctic night. This is polar explorer burgade. Iceland, what is it about polar exploration? What is it about it, they call it D, it's
Borge Ousland 1:20
extremely dynamic, it's extremely fascinating. When you're out there, you have to walk across pressure ridges, sometimes the ice opens open, you see that dark water that reminds you that you're actually skiing on top of an ocean, you have polar bears lurking around and you're always drifting, you never break up in the same place. So I think is is the, you know, the dramatic landscape. And the nature that appeals to me in a way, you are totally dependent on yourself and what you have to bring with you.
Nick VinZant 1:55
I get that this is hard. Like I understand that it's hard. But I don't really understand it. Is there something that is there a way you could like put it in perspective, like, Okay, how difficult is this to kind of really travel in these places? Yeah,
Borge Ousland 2:08
like, okay, for instance, a North pole, it's from the coast to the North Pole, which is the tricks that I have done, mostly. And also I've done some crossing all over Antarctica and the Arctic. So it's 1000 kilometers, and I'm bringing everything I need for the whole journey. So my sled posted 200 pounds, I guess, to be self supplied all along the way, the under is huge pressure ridges, because the ice is moving and it's crashing together, that you have to climb across. And then dimension also the open water that is on times have to paddle or swim across. So it is extremely, extremely difficult and hard on your body. And maybe sometimes also your mind, I also have to add the extreme cold that you have, you know, down to minus 40. And to be able to master those kinds of situation, all alone by yourself for two months self supplied is a great set of satisfaction simply. But that's one of the things that appeals to me,
Nick VinZant 3:14
is it more physically or mentally demanding I think for
Borge Ousland 3:18
solo tracks up there, it's it's more mental, you are alone with all your decisions, all your various you have to be the patient than doctor in the same person. You know, you have to pull yourself up from the that hole that you sometimes fall into when you're by yourself and everything looks dark and you're afraid of being alone. And you're longing for home and you're not sure if you're going to make it or not. And then you have to try to motivate yourself, you know, to keep on going the next day and the next day and the next day. So I think it's mostly mental on solo tracks. But when that is said, the mental the solo part is also the best part of the whole whole trip when when when you are able to master it. Because you do get a totally different dialogue with yourself and the nature when there is no one else to lean on and to rely on. So it's also a kind of meditation I think, on this this trips that enables you to get closer to yourself and also closer to nature and maybe the universe.
Nick VinZant 4:28
Like I couldn't imagine being you know, no one of your trips or you're basically alone going across for what roughly 60 days. Does that wear on you? Are you like do you get sick of your just being by yourself essentially? No,
Borge Ousland 4:43
not really well. I think if you are able to make it the first couple of weeks and you get into the flow, then you doesn't really matter if the trip takes one month or three months I think You have been able to become friends with yourself and the nature and then that when you reach reach that stage in yourself, then it doesn't matter how long the trip that takes the first couple of weeks is critical. In my experience, when you come from a warm bed, you have said goodbye to your friends, and you just take the first steps out on that ice with a super heavy sled and maybe turn some kilometers or 600 miles to go, you know, those first days? That's, that's the hard part, then that's when you really, really need to dig deep.
Nick VinZant 5:38
Did you ever think about just turning right around right at the beginning? Like oh, man?
Borge Ousland 5:43
Yeah, of course. Well, in one way, yes. And also No. I've been in situations in the start when I thought that, wow, this is never going to work, you know. But at the same time, I didn't want to give up because I told everyone that I was going to ski alone to North Pole. So I couldn't just throw in the towel. But I was not able to really find a good way to continue. But what I did back then was to fool myself further, I said to myself, Okay, what what's the reality there? It's, it's not your leg that's broken. It's not your ski that's broken. It's, you know, it's this is all about feelings and feelings will change as if you gave it some time. And I said that, okay, you can give up, but not today. Tomorrow, that not today, knowing that feelings will change over time. And when tomorrow came, I said the same thing. And after a couple of weeks, I thought, Okay, well, I've been here two weeks, maybe I can continue all the way. And then I started to lift my head and think about the goal. So it's, I think it's possible to work on your feelings. Even if you are in a tight spot and think it's hopeless, that you're not going to make it it is possible to work on your feelings. What was
Nick VinZant 7:15
that, like when you saw another person after all that time?
Borge Ousland 7:18
Strange. You become a stranger to other people in a way older people becomes you don't know how to behave, it takes a while extra to know how to relate with other people's when you've been away for a long time, it is
Nick VinZant 7:35
amazing our capacity to adjust and get used to whatever situation that we're in.
Borge Ousland 7:39
So that the capacity is what makes us unique, I think,
Nick VinZant 7:44
I don't know obviously very much about the North Pole or the South Pole. But when I imagine it, like I am just imagining a long, white, flat, Tundra, well,
Borge Ousland 7:55
the South Pole is little bit like that. The South Pole has just a huge enormous ice cap basically an enormous distances, it's more or less the same every day. And that's why I also think that a big trip in Antarctica is more a mental challenge because the landscape is so monotone that on the North Pole, it's a lot more that happens. Because of the pack eyes, you know, you're actually skiing, maybe most people are not really aware that at the North Pole itself. It's for more than 40,000 meters deep ocean is just a thin layer of ice on the top there that you're skiing on top and this thin, frozen kind of pancake that is moving around and creating all this fissures and cracks and big tubers, oh of eyes because of the nervous force up there. So nurple is never never boring, or it's more like you have to watch yourself all this step along the way. But Antarctica can be a little bit more of a mental challenges because of that enormous landscape. It's so big, but even in Antarctica, you know, I'm able to penetrate that lonely landscape and I do find in the snow there is fissures and shapes in the snow. So it's still possible to penetrate that landscape and kind of become friends with Antarctica, but it takes a while
Nick VinZant 9:32
when you're in the North Pole. So like you you essentially camp for the night and then end up in a different location because the ice is moving. There always
Borge Ousland 9:39
drift somewhere in the North Pole. You're very dynamic place when a pitcher tend to have drifted from just a few 100 meters may be on a quiet night and to up to several miles. If it's a stormy night, and it's really the wind that is pushing them The ice making a drift up there. So the, you know, because all these this jagged is the pressure ridges as we call them, they stick up and they become like sails pushed with the wind and the ice starts to just drift because of the wind. So
Nick VinZant 10:19
then how do you account for that, right? Because that seems like man, you got to have every variable and figured out when you before you start, but then who knows how far you're going to drift on any given day, you'll
Borge Ousland 10:30
never know. So you just have to walk straight north because you don't know how far you're going to drift most in most cases it evens out. In the end of the day, you know, sometimes you have the drift with you other times, you're actually drifting back. And I've been in situations when I woke up after a big storm, and I drifted 20 kilometers backwards. So 15 Miles backwards. So everything I skied the day before was just last drifting packs. I thought that was a bit depressing.
Nick VinZant 11:04
Was there a few cuss words? I would imagine they were like, yeah, yeah,
Borge Ousland 11:08
but at the same time, you know, when, when the weather is bad, I'm drifting back and things like that, I actually get more motivated, because I can't I can't do anything about it, the only thing I can influence is my own performance. So actually, I get more kind of, well, this is a job, and I have to just stick it out and do my best. And that's also the, the, the kind of the mental capacity you need to bring in the front of your head. Because if we were just sitting there feeling sort of surfer yourself, you won't make it you know, an enemy can't change, it can't do anything about the weather, you only can influence your own performance.
Nick VinZant 12:00
So how much preparation goes in to an expedition like the ones that you've been on about
Borge Ousland 12:06
the year, at least at least the the long first ever expedition takes a long time to prepare, because we have to try to find the answer to how to do it, basically. And the last big trip I did was crossing the Arctic Ocean in the dark with my good friend Mike horn, from South Africa. And then, you know, nobody had done it like that. We had to find the right time of year to do it. We need to figure out how much food we were going to bring. What you know how many batteries it was renewed, most of the trip was going to be in the dark. So we needed batteries for our headlamps for two, three months. And the Yeah, lots of lots of interesting problems that we had to dive into and find solutions to so it took it took about a year to
Nick VinZant 13:05
prepare. Now why do it in the dark?
Borge Ousland 13:09
Why do it in the dark? Oh, the reason is that to start out with, we wanted really to do a classical more polar expedition, just like the old explorers did back in the days, you know, from the Golden Age and the late 1800s and early 1900s. And to go all the way from Alaska, to Norway be at the North Pole. And to do that, the only time of year you can penetrate far enough into the polar ocean by boat is in the end of the summer really kind of September. Because that's when the ice is melted enough that we're able to sail into the Arctic Ocean with a sailing ship and get onto the ice. But that also means that winter is coming. You know, winter is coming in September as well. So that little tiny window between when winter and summer. That's what we had to find. That also meant that most of this trip was going to be in the dark because the sun goes down at the North Pole 23rd of September, and then it doesn't rise again for another six months. So there were a few challenges that we had to overcome on that trip. But we managed to do it in it took us 87 days to cross the Arctic Ocean on skis in the in the winter.
Nick VinZant 14:31
Is it I've you know, I've only seen videos. Is it dark dark like okay, it's dark, or is it kind of in
Borge Ousland 14:37
the beginning when the sun goes down? It's kind of Twilight for a couple of weeks because the sun doesn't go down like an equator. It doesn't go down in the sack. It goes very slowly our long duration but when it's far enough, down there, it's done. It gets completely black, completely black, you know, when it's all overcast and your turn off your headlamp you don't see your friends sitting next to you. That's how dark it gets. But you also get care nights when you have full moon. And then you can actually see a little bit what's around you. But you'd still need the headlamp to see the fissures in the snow and all the dangers that lurks around so so you need headlines. So we were on headlines for two months on that trip, actually. And then you need a good battery system, because without headlamps, you will not survive. Yeah.
Nick VinZant 15:29
How did you bring enough batteries for that?
Borge Ousland 15:31
It's just we brought 10 kilos of batteries.
Nick VinZant 15:36
I don't know if I can quantify this right? But like when you go on one of those expeditions, like how much leeway Are you generally giving yourself in the sense that like, Okay, I've got food for 85 days. But if this last 89, I'm done somebody's
Borge Ousland 15:47
margin. And I honestly thought that the trip would take 75 days. That's why we took 85. But we we had a little bit of challenge with the weather. And we were drifting back. More than expected so. So that's why the trip actually took 87 days instead of 75. My sled broke, you know, lots of things happened. And my friend Mikey went through the ice and into the ice cold water. So that took another day. So kind of last days on a lot of different situations and ended up with the proof really pushing the envelope towards them there. So but it's barely made, it was a close call towards them there had half a litre of fuel left when we got to the boat. What
Nick VinZant 16:38
is that, like when you end the expedition and see, like, there's a finish line,
Borge Ousland 16:42
you know, we had the ship that we were skiing towards that had sailed up from Norway and into the ocean on the other side, as far into the ice that the, you know, the open water would take her. So the ship couldn't get any further north. So we had to reach a chip that was our way out to the polar ocean. And when you get closer to that goal, and it's just like, you know, everything you've dreamt of is inside that ship. And suddenly, when you reach it, there is nothing more to long for. So it's it's a big, big paradox, I feel to reach a goal like that and that everything is within reach. You can you can eat as much as you want. You can take that shower you have been longing for and there is a bed and it's a huge paradox. It's very, very strange to reach that goals that go on a big trip like that.
Nick VinZant 17:38
Does it make regular life boring Val in any way? Right. Like on Tuesday, I was up here at the North Pole tracking across moving ice. And now it's Thursday, and I got to do taxes?
Borge Ousland 17:50
No, I don't think so. But some I heard some other kind of colleagues of mine, thinking those lines or ways. But I don't do that. I think it's also because I'm I feel privileged. I feel so privileged that I have my family and my friends and everything around me. And no one no one can kind of be in the moment all the time. And you can't expect that. So that is why it's so important to break off sometimes and just go out into the nature.
Nick VinZant 18:25
Are you ready for some harder slash listener submitted questions for North Pole or South Pole? Which one's your favorite?
Borge Ousland 18:31
I would say the North Pole simply because it's all dynamic. Yeah. And also that's where I've done my I think my my biggest expeditions, so definitely the North Pole. Yeah. It's more things happening at what
Nick VinZant 18:48
food did you crave the most while traveling for
Borge Ousland 18:52
Yeah, it's you are you get so hungry on those big trips out there and you crave for anything with fat inside. So big American pig pancakes with blueberry jam and maple syrup. Sour cream? Bacon. Yeah. On the side that goes down. And that's something you dream about. After
Nick VinZant 19:17
going on an expedition for almost 90 days with somebody, do you feel like you've heard everything that person has to say? Yeah, in a way. What would you what was your scariest experience out there?
Borge Ousland 19:31
That's connected with the water going through the water or truthin ice and into the water on the north pole that's happened one time all the way and several times on their basis. And if it's minus 40 you don't have much time before you get to week to get up again and almost All the big accidents at the North Pole, as you know, fatal accidents where people die has been in connection with with tinnitus and water when
Nick VinZant 20:08
when those kinds of incidents have happened, and it right like, is it usually somebody wasn't prepared or because they like they just got unlucky?
Borge Ousland 20:19
No I was speaking for myself, you know you get tired on there can be snow covering some of these traps that show you don't see them the you know, accidents just just happens. But also maybe it can also happen because you take too big risks, which is always a balance, you can't reach normal without taking some risk. And you have to find that fine balance between what risk is acceptable and what is too much. And when you're solo, you don't have no one else, you know, to guide you to say, okay, stop, this is too dangerous. So, so you really have to. So that's that's also why it's so dangerous to be alone, because you get a little bit sloppy, and it's into the routine. And then one day you take that risk that is too big. And then maybe that's it. So that's always kind of a battle in your head. But you probably don't know that my profession back in the days I was a deep sea diver in the oil industry. And what I learned, I did that for 10 years. And you know, with saturation diving as it's cold and diving down to one Towson feats, and super deep and in the dark, and lots of accidents. But what we knew who worked down there in the dark in these oil fields was that the only one you really can trust is yourself. So I always looked upon safety as a personal responsibility. And that I took that, you know, attitude with me into the expeditions. And I think the secret is to be that little step ahead your head of yourself all the time, try to understand what is happening before it happens. And And if something goes wrong, you have trained for it, I train, I'm going I'm going out on thin ice, and I'm going through ice denies deliberately back home here in Norway just to find out the right techniques to get up again. So you have to be able to go into a dangerous situation and do it in a safe way. By training. That's my philosophy.
Nick VinZant 22:39
Is there any kind of forgiveness? I guess, in those kinds of places? Is there any kind of like, okay, you can make a little mistake and you can get away with it or like you can't mess up at all here. No,
Borge Ousland 22:51
especially not on solo expeditions. When you're with other people, you you, you know, you will normally have an extra helping hand to pull the up but not on solo expedition, then you have one chance to get up before your hands and legs are losing power. And you can just lie there. Hope you have a good life and take back. But that's it.
Nick VinZant 23:21
That's that's the height of pressure, right? Like, I've got one chance to get out of this. And if I don't, I'm done. That's it. Do you think that the poles could become like Everest in the sense that there could be kind of an over commercialization of them at all? Yeah,
Borge Ousland 23:37
it's actually turning like that. Turning into that. Especially in Antarctica, there's quite a lot of skiers and and people flying into the salt boulders just to be there. So that has really, really changed compared to when I did my first expedition up there in 1990. North polls just mentally just super super far away and nobody went there. But now it's actually possible to go to both polls and drink a glass of champagne and go back home. So the same thing is happening.
Nick VinZant 24:14
Do you want like a bit of time since you've been back since it was first expeditions like can you see changes?
Borge Ousland 24:19
Yeah, definitely. It's a huge it's a huge chain change compared to you know, when I did the first expeditions in the early 90s. The ice was treated for meter tick. Now it's one to two meter and the also the coverage is about 30% less. So actually out on the north pole that is where you are physically seeing the result of climate change. So it's really just a totally different landscape. Compared to Turkey 40 years ago,
Nick VinZant 24:53
any other big expedition, do you think you got any really big ones left? Well,
Borge Ousland 24:58
for me I'm doing a project called Ice legacy, doing it together with a friend of mine called Vincent courtyard. And we're crossing the biggest icecaps in the world to sort of try to, to tell what is happening with this huge pieces of ice. So that's what we're doing trying to cross the 20 biggest ice caps. So the next goal will most likely be Juneau icefield. In Alaska. Not too far from you guys.
Nick VinZant 25:35
Is there kind of a holy grail of polar exploration left? Is there something that like this is somebody does this, this is going to be big? Yeah,
Borge Ousland 25:44
there is there is not many left, since I've been fortunate enough to pull off most of them. But are a few of them. But there is one left and that is to ski to the South Pole during wintertime. That has been tried, but no one has succeeded. So So that's, that's up for grabs, if anyone wants to have a go,
Nick VinZant 26:08
Is that Is that something though? That like, okay, that's doable. Or like, you could do this, but I don't think you're coming back.
Borge Ousland 26:18
It I think it's doable, but it's extremely difficult. But as the knowledge kind of increases, the equipment gets better. But you can imagine that in the winter, on this plateau, it's down to minus 60 degrees Celsius, and you have strong wind. In addition, I think you would have to ski Mullis inside the box to be able to survive up there. But I think it's possible. But I'm not going to try it. I will leave that to someone coming behind me.
Nick VinZant 26:52
That's pretty much all the questions that we have. Is there anything that you think that we missed? Or? What's kind of coming up next for you? How can people learn more?
Borge Ousland 27:00
Yeah, no, I think you we covered quite a lot. This nice talk that we have thank you very, very much. Well, the place if people want to see more what we're doing the website called our slammed dots calm, or we SLA indeed.com. So that's, that's one place that people can have a look, or my Instagram
Nick VinZant 27:27
profiles. I want to thank Borges so much for joining us and apologize for probably mispronouncing his name, I did the best that I could. But if you want to connect with him and learn more about his expeditions, we have linked to him on our social media accounts. We're Profoundly Pointless on tick tock, Instagram, and YouTube. And we've also included his information in the episode description. If you want to see more of his expeditions. The YouTube version of this interview will be live on February 1 at 12:30pm Pacific. So real quick, I want to take a moment and thank one of the sponsors of our show factor factor has ready to eat meal delivery service that takes the stress out of meal planning and sets you up for success in the new year. I just got to delivery at my house. And it is awesome. It looks good. It tastes good. It's healthy. It's a great way to start the new year. And it's cheaper than getting takeout. It's much healthier. And it's way, way easier. Because you don't have to cook it at all. All you've got to do is just pop it in the oven in the microwave, and then in two minutes, it is ready to go. Like I mentioned they are delicious. And there's so many different options, keto calorie, smart, vegan, veggie, all kinds of different options. And right now they are offering a special discount, you can get 50% off, all you've got to do is head to factor meals.com/pointless 50 and enter the code pointless 50 to get 50% off, that's code pointless 50 at factor meals.com/pointless 50. I know that's a lot to remember. So there's a link in the description that includes those codes. They're great. It's really good. It's really good. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw, and get to the pointless part of this show. What is the most amount of time that you have ever spent alone? Completely alone, not talking to anybody not texting, without
John Shull 29:42
like communicating at all that's including texts everything.
Nick VinZant 29:45
Not talking to another person in any way.
John Shull 29:49
You know, I don't know. Maybe an hour or two maybe. Oh, that's it. Even when I was alone in Orlando, like when I lived alone, I wasn't dating somebody I was still texting people usually.
Nick VinZant 30:03
I mean a reason at first glance, I'm like, wait a minute. No, you that's, that's, that's a hard not very much time. But then now that I think about it, it's not more than a couple of hours. Maybe. Yeah, it's not more than a couple of hours. For me.
John Shull 30:19
It's, it's kind of wild when you really think about how on alone. And now connected we are even if you say you're not connected, I still feel like you're connected.
Nick VinZant 30:31
Even when I would say like the loneliest part of my life, which is my first real job when I moved to a different city after graduating college, and didn't really have any friends. I don't even then probably not more than maybe like, eight hours. Because I would go to the gym, come home to my apartment, and basically just be there until the next day when I went like grocery shopping or back to the gym.
John Shull 30:56
Yeah, but were you really alone? Were you not messaging? Anybody? Your family, a friend? An acquaintance, we'll call them,
Nick VinZant 31:07
um, may be to how do you handle being alone? Do you feel like you handle being alone? Well, or do you kind of go crazy. It's
John Shull 31:15
funny that you say that. Back in the day, I loved it. I love to being alone. I love the alone time. I love doing what I wanted. Now, and you get this and maybe others out there that are listening this as well. Having children has completely changed the game for me if I have, you know, if the wife says, Hey, I'm going out, you know, I put the kids down, I have maybe four or five hours to myself, I sit around, wondering what I can do. And then by the time I finally get around to doing something, whether it's for myself or whatever, she's back home, like so I just waste the time thinking about what to do.
Nick VinZant 31:49
There is something that changes, I feel like once you have killed kids, that you just are always busy. You always have to feel like you're doing something and for people who are like looking at their parents and like why are they always doing something like it just gets in you and you can't ever just sit?
John Shull 32:06
Yeah, it's I mean, even right now recording this, I want to get up and just start cleaning something.
Nick VinZant 32:10
Well, I mean, it needs to by the look of your house behind you, I actually pulled the audience. Same question. What is the longest you have ever been totally alone? 18% safe a few hours? 25%? Say one day 42% say a week or less? But I don't know. I feel like that's pretty high. I wonder if they're really thinking about in terms of like No, no, not talking to anybody. And then 13% say more than a week. And usually they specified it in comments saying stuff like I got injured and I couldn't leave my house. Or there's some extenuating circumstances. But
John Shull 32:48
did you put in the question being on your phone means you're not alone.
Nick VinZant 32:52
I did put no contact in person or electronically with another person. But I don't know how much people really thought that through.
John Shull 33:01
And some people, the majority of the voters say, a week or less I call shenanigans on that.
Nick VinZant 33:08
Yeah. Well, I mean, that could be two days, I could see a weekend I could see people going a weekend without dealing with anybody. Maybe you went camping by yourself or something like that. But even then you walk past somebody. Yeah, I would say most people, it's only a few hours if you really thought about it.
John Shull 33:27
I'm not even sure if I was to like barricade myself in my house. Without my family if I'd be able to go a couple hours without communicating with anybody.
Nick VinZant 33:38
Oh, yeah, it'd be tough. People need people, man. Some people don't. But I think people need people. The other question that I had for you, so obviously the Superbowl is coming up. We have the Chiefs against the San Francisco 40 Niners. So how long into the broadcast once the game starts? How quickly after the game starts? Do we hear Taylor Swift name mentioned or shown?
John Shull 34:04
I really don't want to answer this because I don't I don't give a fuck about the Superbowl. I'm a Lions fan. And anyone that follows American football will understand why I don't care at all now, but to answer your question and be a team player. I think she will be mentioned at least 10 minutes before kickoff. And I think the first time Travis Kelce is involved at all, even if he has a block even if he you know they're they'll say Travis Kelce. And oh, here's Taylor Swift. So, if Kansas City goes on offense first, it'll be within five minutes.
Nick VinZant 34:38
Oh, I think it's within the first minute. I think it's within the first minute of kickoff probably being shown in the national anthem, Anthem, but anthem, but I don't think that counts. My guess. put a number on it. Put a time on it. I'm gonna say within the first minute.
John Shull 34:56
I'll say within the first four minutes
Nick VinZant 34:59
okay. Okay. I also think that if she goes, this is the, this is the end of both her Travis Kelce. And the chiefs in America's mind, we're going to be completely sick of it, it's going to be so oversaturated that we'll be completely sick of it. If she's at the Super Bowl. Well,
John Shull 35:17
we just better hope that they never break up. Because imagine the coverage of that. Oh
Nick VinZant 35:23
my god. This is why people dislike the media, like, you don't want to hear these things, but they force it down their throat, okay? Anyway, there's my rant about the Superbowl. Well,
John Shull 35:32
it's forced down your throat because people tune in.
Nick VinZant 35:36
Don't, okay, you and I, you still work in the media. I used to work in the media. So I feel like I can speak more freely about this. I don't think that people really care that much. I think the media covers something over and over and over and over and over and over again, until eventually you finally start wondering about it. Like you don't really care, they make you care.
John Shull 35:56
I mean, I think that's documented in some cases. I mean, the NFL cares, really. So they're gonna make all of their broadcasts with her that if she's there, they're going to make it a point. Because that's how they retain some of a demographic that they have never hit before. I mean, it's just yeah, so at the end, it all comes down to advertising dollars, right.
Nick VinZant 36:18
So money,
John Shull 36:20
I didn't call money, I did see something that she's like playing the night before in Japan, and then has to catch a flight to Vegas, and she'll get there maybe like six hours to spare if she leaves literally right after a concert or something.
Nick VinZant 36:34
This is why I think that if her PR people are really like into they will not go to the Super Bowl because I think it will be just complete oversaturation. And we'll be sick of her will be sick of the calcium. We'll be seeing the Chiefs we'll be taking all of that stuff. We're already over it.
John Shull 36:55
I mean, once again, we are but the young girls that now watch football or watch the Chiefs game is because of her aren't. The moms with those girls aren't even adult women aren't? Maybe some men aren't. I have no idea. Anyway. Okay. All right. Let's get to some people that actually matter here. Let's give some shout outs. Let's see, we'll start with coal Rafferty, like that first name of coal.
Nick VinZant 37:16
Yeah, it's one of those limited names. Yeah, because there's not a lot of them. It's okay.
John Shull 37:21
Just sounds bad as like, here's coal. Coal is gonna whip your ass. Anyways, Kevin Parra, Jeff Harris. Ryan and Gwen Parker Wulan. Whoever. I'm sure I must have good one puts her that last name, but it sounds Yeah, sounds right.
Unknown Speaker 37:38
It's pretty good chance.
John Shull 37:39
Dustin Oliver. Davis fry off. Austin, wicky, bone loopholed. keygen grant. And we're going to end with a little bit of alliteration here. Mark Mayhew.
Nick VinZant 37:56
Is Mark Mayhew a famous person that seems that sounds like a famous person's name.
John Shull 38:00
Maybe I'm not I'm not entirely sure. Okay.
Nick VinZant 38:03
All right. Good, Tom.
John Shull 38:04
Are we doing? Yeah,
Nick VinZant 38:07
see, oh, it's three weeks in a row. You were a little Okay. All right. Oh, no, I was enjoy it while I
John Shull 38:12
was talking. Are we doing that first or CO TM first?
Nick VinZant 38:16
It's not candled. The month this episode goes out on a Wednesday, which is January 31. So it is not a new month?
John Shull 38:22
God damn it. I thought. Okay, that's fine. We'll just push the next week.
Nick VinZant 38:27
You gotta wait. I'm sorry.
John Shull 38:29
I've done this. I get so excited that I forget that there's 31 days and months sometimes. All right, fine. Do
Nick VinZant 38:35
the knuckle trick. Don't you know the knuckle trick?
John Shull 38:39
No, I don't know the knuckle trick. The
Nick VinZant 38:41
knuckle trick. If it's on a knuckle, it's got 31 days. So you start on January and the knuckle? Then you go in between? And it's February then March is a knuckle that's 31. April, May, June, July. So if it's a knuckle, it's got 31 days.
John Shull 38:57
When you think that someone discovered that or came up with that, do you think they were like, wow, I am the smartest person alive.
Nick VinZant 39:06
I mean, I don't know if they thought that they were the smartest person alive. But I think that that was a pretty good way to teach it. My wife is a teacher we had this conversation while high the other day. And that I don't think that we give teachers enough credit because of how hard it is to teach someone how to do something as a parent, you know, that like teaching someone like how do you do this? And I think that people who aren't educators think that like oh, you just tell them that. But like, no, it's really complicated. Like how do you do this? We'll go left? Well, I don't know how to like, Well, how do you shift your body weight? Like explain that to a five year old teachers need more credit is my bottom line. It's hard to teach people things.
John Shull 39:39
I'm paying more money. Pay him. I'm all about it. Someday when you and I run for presidency. You can be my vice president. We'll make sure that happens. I'd
Nick VinZant 39:49
be your vice president. If you were the vice president. Any Vice President, would you secretly be wishing for something to happen to the President even briefly so that you can say that your press Isn't it at that moment? If I if somebody ever asked me to be Vice President, I'd be like, I'll do it. But only if you promise that you're going to go under anesthesia at some point. So I can be president for like, 20 minutes.
John Shull 40:11
Like, it's, that would be my contract or whatever. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 40:15
I would feel like that would have to be some kind of agreement.
John Shull 40:19
I'm not gonna lie to you just the thought of having to campaign as a vice president. Sounds terrible, cuz you get no recognition. No one really cares about you. But yet, you're expected to perform all the duties.
Nick VinZant 40:31
Yeah, you gotta be ready. But you don't have any of that big pressure. It's nobody's like, where's the where's the vice president? Like, don't worry about it. Like, we really don't worry that much about the Vice President, which is kind of crazy. We don't Yeah. No idea where they are right now. No clue.
John Shull 40:48
Anyways, all right, let's, it's funny that we'll do the if you haven't listened last couple episodes, I came up with this brilliant idea, basically, to have 10 topics. And Nick just reacts, whether it's hopefully just a word, but sometimes it's more than that. So anyways, randomly enough, the first one that I wrote down is kind of along the Superbowl lines. And what do you think the average ticket price as of this recording is? For the Super Bowl?
Nick VinZant 41:17
It's in Vegas, right? Yes. $2,000 times that by 510 $1,000. To go to the Super Bowl for
John Shull 41:30
an average ticket, according to tick pick, like that's not even. I'm assuming that's not a great seat. That's not a premium seat. That's just an OKC.
Nick VinZant 41:41
I don't, okay. I've worked in a television market as a news reporter, where they had the Super Bowl. It's pretty overrated. It's one of those things that I think it would be fun if you had a lot of money, where you can just go and do whatever you want. Otherwise, it looks like it'd be a massive pain in the ass. Probably not that fun. I wouldn't put $10,000 for that. No way.
John Shull 42:04
I mean, from a media point of view, because I was planning on sending a crew to the Superbowl. You know, they I think what a lot of people think it's because you're in the media, you get all these privileges at these things. We had what we would have have one on field pass for one person at a time. Everyone else had to go into a watch room in the basement. Like you don't even get to enjoy the game. No,
Nick VinZant 42:28
that's one of the things that I would say as a former reporter is like you get to do all these things. But it's like you're not really there. Yeah, like, it's not like you're enjoying it. You're there to work. It's like bad grade 10,000 bucks. That's crazy. Does that a record?
John Shull 42:45
I think I mean, it didn't say it, but I'm sure I'm sure it would for an average ticket. Which is surprising to me, because both these teams are known and they're established franchises. But, I mean, the matchup isn't I mean, Patrick mahomes versus Brock Purdy. I mean,
Nick VinZant 43:00
oh, I don't really I'm not really interested in it. I would have been interested in anything else.
John Shull 43:04
Okay. All right. Donald Duck.
Nick VinZant 43:13
I don't care about Donald Duck. kind of annoyed me. These always annoyed me. All right. I've been annoyed by Donald Duck.
John Shull 43:22
All right. checkbooks?
Nick VinZant 43:27
I don't even do you remember learning how to balance your checkbook. That was a thing that I learned in high school is how to balance a checkbook. And now I don't even remember how to write a check.
John Shull 43:38
I mean, I wrote a check the other day.
Nick VinZant 43:41
Yeah, but I've probably written maybe two or three a year, maybe two or three checks, right a year. Only if they're like, it's 3% to pay on cash or pay with a credit card. Right, you fucking check and you got to figure out what to do with it. All
John Shull 43:56
right, a Armadillo what the armadillos
Nick VinZant 44:01
know as a sweet animal. That's an animal that you like to think about, but never actually want to see I've seen an armadillo because I used to live in Kansas. And sometimes you'll see him on the side of the road. They're like they're kind of like a gross nasty looking animal. But and cartoons and stuff like that. It seems pretty cool. Like I can just ball up and roll away. Better Imagine then seen.
John Shull 44:23
Doping bans doping bans and the Olympic Games.
Nick VinZant 44:29
Oh, just a waste of time for everybody. Right? I don't put I don't put any hate on any of the people who are in the Olympics. But every single one of them is probably taking something and I don't know, believe believe than any of them or not. And I would absolutely do the same thing. It seems like a total waste of time.
John Shull 44:42
And it always seems like it's the you know, gymnasts or the ice skaters like it's never like the power lifters or the you know, the people that are steering the loser or anything. It's always like the sports that are like finesse sports.
Nick VinZant 44:57
I think they really have To be egregious to get caught at this point, like you've got to really be egregious to get caught. But I think every single one of them is doing it and I don't blame them whatsoever. All
John Shull 45:10
right, record players.
Nick VinZant 45:14
I don't know if I've ever even seen one besides the snobby one that you have in your house, which you bought to make look like wood because you're a snob.
John Shull 45:22
Well, your memory, that's not the truth, but whatever. What What's your first kind of player that you remember having like a cassette player, a Walkman
Nick VinZant 45:30
cassette player, I remember having a cassette player that was in the basement, and like it was one of those it was front facing. So you pop that out, and you put it in and you play it like that. I don't think we ever had a record player in our house.
John Shull 45:43
Sure you did. I'm just sure your mom and dad kept it from you, because you probably would have destroyed it.
Nick VinZant 45:47
I probably would have wrecked it a little bit. Maybe it was like in the basement and reused. We weren't a musical family.
John Shull 45:53
I mean, anyways, spoons.
Nick VinZant 45:58
I don't really know how much you know what I think this is my thought on spoons, I think that we can really get rid of one of the utensils that we have. If we want to really reduce waste we can get rid of one of the three utensils. We don't need a fork knife and a spoon. We can either combine something or make do without one of them. But we don't need three utensils anymore. We don't need it. Combine it or get rid of one.
John Shull 46:21
I mean really whoever created this fork is legendary revolutionary even one
Nick VinZant 46:27
of the best inventions of all time if you think about it
John Shull 46:33
all right. sidewalk chalk.
Nick VinZant 46:38
Oh, just a great time. Just a great time. Right. Endlessly entertaining for little children. Nice for people to walk by and see. It's impressive. I like sidewalk chalk I have no problems with it.
John Shull 46:49
Christina Ricci Who is she? Oh god I mean she was a casper that the movie Casper she was the main love interest of the Casper the ghost thing she was also wins Wednesday Addams in the Addams Family.
Nick VinZant 47:06
Okay, I get her confused with Anna Paquin. Cara del Vini something there's a new one like Jenny Ortega. That all kind of have that similar kind of like, dark, brooding kind of look to them. I don't know. That's not Oh, boy scripture. I know what I'm talking about. Sure. They all have that kind of like Wednesday, Adams appeal to them. Okay, but I don't know. I don't know which one she is.
John Shull 47:36
Well, that was a terrible. I mean, Christina Ricci she's, I would go on a limb and say of our childhood, so kids that were born, you know, mid 80s to the early 2000s. I mean, I feel like she's one of the actresses that you have to know of.
Nick VinZant 47:53
Which one What did she What was she in? I can't think of any movies.
John Shull 47:58
I just gave you two examples. Casper in the Addams Family.
Nick VinZant 48:04
Yeah, but I feel like when you're in the Addams Family, you're just Wednesday, Adams like they just make you look like that. You don't really look like that. So they all run together in my mind.
John Shull 48:12
Okay. All right. Well, this isn't gonna go anywhere.
Nick VinZant 48:15
I'm sorry. I don't know who she is. I don't have a detailed Wikipedia bio. Right? Like I don't have a baseball trading card.
John Shull 48:23
Think she has a baseball trading card.
Nick VinZant 48:25
Let's say you have actors trading cards. They have trading cards for actors. They do. They keep man you knew that too. You've looked at them. Do you have some?
John Shull 48:35
Ah, yeah. I mean, not anything crazy. But
Nick VinZant 48:40
wait a minute. Wait a minute. Oh, that's her. See that, to me looks exactly like the other people that did it like so I get him confused. You have how many actors trading cards do you have?
John Shull 48:51
Um, I don't know. Probably less than 50. It's, it's a personal collection. So it's not like I have a lot but I have bought some of them. Okay, well, who
Nick VinZant 49:02
do you got? Who's your best car?
John Shull 49:06
I have a Nicholas Cage autograph.
Nick VinZant 49:11
Wait, wait, did he autographed the card? Or did you buy it? And it came autographed? No.
John Shull 49:16
I mean, I went on eBay and I bought an autographed Nicholas Cage card.
Nick VinZant 49:21
How much did you pay for?
John Shull 49:23
Less than 50? I think it's between 50 and 100. By the time was that in doubt? I don't remember.
Nick VinZant 49:28
Oh, see? See, this is what this is what happens. You're trying to kind of divert you don't really want to say the truth like oh, well less than 50 actually was 50 to 100. So it was $99 Why don't we just skip all this and get to the truth. How many actor movie trading cards do you have?
John Shull 49:48
I mean, less than 50 is probably less than 40. To be honest. I only got into because a buddy of mine. Collect certain cards by by cops a certain series see that there's a lot of autographed cards from like, pop stars in old, you know, there's different eras of celebrity. And I was like, that's pretty cool. Look, I'd like to have a Gordon Ramsay autograph card. Like, that's kind of dope.
Nick VinZant 50:18
That's something that like, if somebody asked if somebody was giving that away for free, I would be like, No. I'm just gonna throw this in the trash two steps after I walk past you. I mean, like, I would never even think of like collecting. Okay, who else do you have you gotten Nicolas Cage? Give me your top three. Just give me your top three.
John Shull 50:36
Oh, man. Well, so the other thing is a lot of mine are dual. So like, I have, like a John Cena card. Like an autograph. Where he's just in regular street clothes. So it's not a wrestling card. But it's not like an average purchase kind of in the middle.
Nick VinZant 51:00
Yeah, they can make multiple we can be buying on multiple fronts. Okay, all right. Yeah,
John Shull 51:05
I will say my, probably my my favorite card. I wish I had it. It's not an autograph, but it's a Bernie Sanders card. It's probably one of my favorite celebrity cards. If you remember Bernie.
Nick VinZant 51:20
Yeah, I don't know. It's still alive. You mean Bernie Sanders the Senator. Right?
John Shull 51:24
Yeah. Well, I mean, he's like, you know, he's like the vice president. He was here now. Where is he? Whereas Bernie?
Nick VinZant 51:30
No, one idea. I like you think that you should? How interesting that you have act. Do you have any other kind of collectibles?
John Shull 51:37
You don't really care. You're setting me up to make fun of me. I'm
Nick VinZant 51:40
not me. I'm fascinated by this. This is one of the I gave every once in a while I learned something new.
John Shull 51:45
Yeah, I mean, I collect your trading cards. I collect. Yeah, I collect wrestling figures. I collect trading cards. I collect figurines. I also keep a journal too. If you really want to know,
Nick VinZant 51:59
I keep a journal. I write it almost every day or try to I keep a little journal. I jot down something about that day. And I think that now is also the point of the show where I would like to remind viewers that John has two children. He has in fact had sex with a woman at least twice.
John Shull 52:16
Good. Yeah, buddy. Okay, I mean, you like anime? Right? You collect comic books? No, I don't have you if you out there could only see the look. I'm giving Nick.
Nick VinZant 52:27
I don't I don't I don't collect them. I don't I watch it when it's on there. I watch some but I don't collect something of it. I don't collect anything.
John Shull 52:37
By the way. I'm not I'm just checks. Oh boy. I'm not picking my anime folks. By the way, that wasn't a criticism. There's
Nick VinZant 52:44
different levels of anime. There's like anime like One Piece Dragon Ball and then there's like anime like, man, you get into some anime.
John Shull 52:52
There's different levels of it. So know what you're referring to.
Nick VinZant 52:55
I don't collect anything. Well, maybe
John Shull 52:57
you should never have. Maybe you should. You never did. Pogs you never did cards when you were a kid?
Nick VinZant 53:03
Nothing. I've never collected anything. That's it. I don't have Oh. Yeah. All right. So our top five is top five juicers. What's your number five.
John Shull 53:16
So So there's four that are pretty standard. I feel like you have the four that have to be on the list five is the wildcard.
Nick VinZant 53:27
Hmm. I'm not entirely I don't know if I agree with you. I actually only think that two are the dominant juices. Okay, then you kind of have to put on there. Otherwise, it's kind of all over the place. All right, I would say only two.
John Shull 53:41
Let's dive in here. My number five is grape juice.
Nick VinZant 53:47
Okay, I have grape juice a little bit higher, a little bit higher, but it's also a specific kind of grape juice. I would say that personally, I don't enjoy plain grape juice. I would never like I don't want that.
John Shull 54:00
I don't know if I've ever actually had real grape juice. I've had Welch's grape
Nick VinZant 54:05
juice. Yeah, that's the thing. I like grape flavor. I don't really particularly enjoy grape juice. I don't really like any juice to be honest with you. I think all juice is a waste of time.
John Shull 54:15
Why are we doing this top five then?
Nick VinZant 54:18
I don't know seemed like an interesting one. Like I've had juices before. I'd like to talk about juice. I love talking about things like this. I just don't think that juice is good at all. To me. All juice is a waste of time.
John Shull 54:30
Just get down to it. Don't give you the juice. Right.
Nick VinZant 54:35
Give me Why Why don't I just eat the food. rather have that. So my number five is watermelon. I've only had watermelon juice one time but it changed my life. It was amazing.
John Shull 54:48
I just thought watermelon juice was just water.
Nick VinZant 54:50
Yeah, it is it's basically like slightly flavored water. That's incredibly it's incredibly refreshing. It was amazing. So but it's hard. To get it's hard to get my
John Shull 55:02
number four is tomato juice.
Nick VinZant 55:06
I can see it being a top juice but I find it to be disgusting.
John Shull 55:10
Tomato was one of those juices to me that you kind of have to mix it with a really strong something else for it to taste good. But in saying that there have been times where I've just chugged V eight by itself.
Nick VinZant 55:25
I could never do that. I actually hate tomato by itself. I like tomato products like ketchup and things like that. But tomato itself to me is disgusting. Like I would never just you want to eat this tomato like no. Yeah,
John Shull 55:39
cherry tomatoes. I can eat like that. But you know, the big the bigger kind of tomato is like a steak tomato. Yeah, not happening.
Nick VinZant 55:46
Mm hmm. Also, I was at a restaurant today. I was at a restaurant this weekend. And I bought a burger. It was $20 it was worth it. My wife wanted to go was for her birthday we went to a nicer place was a $20 burger. I dropped the tomato on the floor. Picked it up, put it back on the burger and ate it.
John Shull 56:11
Okay, I need you to set the scene here. Are we at like a fancy restaurant like wherever people saw you dropped the tomato.
Nick VinZant 56:19
Nobody would have seen me. But I think that was more based upon the location. It was, I would say on a scale of like one to five with five being really nice and one being like, below fast food like oh, I don't know about that place. They brought out when you order water, and you get water. They bring out a plate that had various different fruits that you could put into the water. I had never seen that before. But it was a $20 burger in Seattle. So that's probably like maybe 15 $17 anywhere else.
John Shull 56:54
Okay, all right. What what what kind of what's the flavor? What's the temperature you like for your burger? Meet
Nick VinZant 57:00
him or her? But I ordered a medium rare to try to get it rare.
John Shull 57:05
Okay, that's that's a different take. I guess.
Nick VinZant 57:10
That's the one thing that I remember learning from my grandpa. The first thing is like whatever you want order something slightly below or slightly above to get it where you actually want it. But it was cooked properly as well cooked. I even complimented the chef, not the chef but the waiter. Like that's well cooked.
John Shull 57:27
Did you have a dessert? Yeah. Did what was for dessert. Now?
Nick VinZant 57:31
I didn't. I didn't I thought about it though. All right.
John Shull 57:36
Okay, are we Oh my It's uh, you were
Nick VinZant 57:38
motion number four tomato. Yeah. Anyway, would you have eaten the flute food off the floor? Would you have eaten it off the floor? My wife was horrified. But I was like, it's fine. And their sauce on it. That looks good. So I want that. Yeah,
John Shull 57:49
absolutely. I'll eat shit off the floor. Of course.
Nick VinZant 57:53
Yeah, okay. I don't know if it's disingenuous or disingenuous. But anyway, my number four is apple. It's not good. It's not really that great. Everybody makes a big deal about Apple. Like, it's great, but it's not. It's okay. Okay. When the kid because everything else is it's cheap. Otherwise, it's not that great.
John Shull 58:11
I think that's too low on the top five list for apple juice. But
Nick VinZant 58:17
it's overrated. I know. It's ubiquitous, and a very prominent, but it's not that great. It's
John Shull 58:24
I mean, but it's a staple of the juice family it deserves. I mean, anyways, we'll get we'll get assigned.
Nick VinZant 58:31
It's good. It doesn't mean it's good. Okay. My
John Shull 58:33
number three is cranberry juice.
Nick VinZant 58:37
I feel the same way about cranberry juice as I do about apple juice. It's like, Would you really like cranberry juice? Like, oh, that was refreshing. That was so good. I needed that.
John Shull 58:50
I mean, I think so I like it. And it's one of the better juices for your body in terms of what it can do for your gastrointestinal tract.
Nick VinZant 59:02
Also a great line from departed. That's what I essentially remember about cranberry juice is the movie departed. Look it up if you want to. My number three is a specific kind of juice. It's white grape. I don't like grape juice, but white grape juice was like, wow, this is good. Okay. Okay. It doesn't have as much punch to it. It's more it's a smoother. It's like if you mixed kind of apple and grape juice. Like oh, that's okay. Okay. All right. What's your number? What's your number two?
John Shull 59:33
Orange juice.
Nick VinZant 59:36
Your number two is orange juice.
John Shull 59:38
Yeah,
Nick VinZant 59:39
interesting.
John Shull 59:40
Yeah, I mean, okay. My one and two are are pretty that can be interchangeable. But yeah. Orange juice is fine, but I can only drink orange juice. You know, during the morning. I never drink it in the afternoon. I'd never drink at night. It's just it's definitely it's a morning juice. Right. But it's I think that's what keeps it at number two for me is it's not as versatile as my number one.
Nick VinZant 1:00:03
That actually makes a lot of sense. I would completely disagree. I was completely disagreeing with you going into that. But now that you mentioned it, I was like, okay, I can understand that. My number two is the only juice that I actually think is good. Besides watermelon juice is pineapple juice. That's, that's great. That's amazing. Yeah,
John Shull 1:00:23
I mean, it's good. Just you don't have it enough, right? I mean, I'm not buying pineapples every week. But I mean, to be honest, are you get those little fruit cups from like, $1 or whatever, or whoever makes them. And pineapple is definitely one of the fruits where I'm like, can't wait to eat all the fruit than just drink the high fructose corn syrup. Pineapple juice.
Nick VinZant 1:00:43
Pineapple juice is actually really that's like I said, I think pineapple juice is really the only good juice, right? Oh, that's good. The others are like, Oh, okay, I guess I'll have some shoes.
John Shull 1:00:55
I mean, I don't know that. My number one. Apple juice. Okay,
Nick VinZant 1:01:00
my number one is orange juice. Okay, I could see those being switched. But I You did convince me with your logic about like, orange juice is only for the mornings.
John Shull 1:01:10
And, you know, it's super hot outside. I remember having some orange or apple juice back in the day. And just remember thinking like, This is damn refreshing. Don't spill it on yourself. Because answer will be there in a minute. But it's refreshing. It's good. Can you how
Nick VinZant 1:01:27
often when you drink something? Do you spill it on yourself? Out of every 10 times you drink something? How often do you spill it on yourself?
John Shull 1:01:34
Drinking? Never. But eating is a different story.
Nick VinZant 1:01:40
Okay, out of every 10 times you eat something how, how often are you going to get something on your shirt?
John Shull 1:01:47
With four or five times that it's in?
Nick VinZant 1:01:48
It's a little high. What do you do it?
John Shull 1:01:51
I mean, there are times where I'll like be eating cereal. And I'm not at the table like I'm sitting on the couch or something. And I'll, you know, I'll go to take the first spoonful and the milk will get like on my chin or shirt and I'll be like, Okay, that's just the first spoonful that go back to do it again. It happens again. I'm like, Oh, is this happening? Like I'm even conscious of the fact of that I'm doing this and you know, so yeah, but I'm not like, if I'm at a table at the dinner table, I'm those odds go way down. But if I'm like on the couch or something, they go way up.
Nick VinZant 1:02:27
I'm probably two out of 10 times. Me I'm probably 20% There's a 20% chance I'm gonna get some food on me. I'm eating. I care a little high. You got to adjust your key you gotta you got to
John Shull 1:02:38
kind of scarred because my father kind of scarred me for life when I was a child, because he has always had a mustache this big Wilford Brimley mustache. And he would eat and like, shit will get stuck in there. He would have no idea unless someone told them. And I'm like, Do you not realize you have pieces of corn in your mustache? And then he'd have a cigarette. It was always just gross. It's gross me out. So that's why I think I'm a pretty clean eater for the most part, but I do I do do tend to spill around again. Well, wait
Nick VinZant 1:03:10
a minute. If you're scarred for life, and you're trying to be a clean eater, and you still get stuff in here 50% of the time, like what happens when you're not trying? Like do you just like, Man, I thought you were gonna go the other direction. Like I don't feel like you're doing a very good job.
John Shull 1:03:27
But the best part about it is right now is I can blame it on the children. You know what I mean? Oh,
Nick VinZant 1:03:32
yeah, yeah, like, Oh, crap, kid,
John Shull 1:03:34
you did something which made me mess up like, thank you.
Nick VinZant 1:03:39
I will say that when I get high on Friday and Saturday nights and kind of go after it a little bit. Like I do have like, I have a sweatshirt that I have to wear on Fridays. It's like it's completely stained from getting food all over it like Well, I gotta wear my Friday sweatshirt, because I don't want to ruin something nice.
John Shull 1:03:56
I mean, I don't I do. Oh my god, it's so busy. I do have dinner shirts. Like if I know it's gonna be like, you know, for having like a finger food or something. I'll change into one of them. I mean, just make sense. It's like paint. It's like painting shirts, right?
Nick VinZant 1:04:13
I don't know if I could do that. I don't have any specific dinner shirts. Well, I do have a dinner sweatshirt that I just talked about. But that's only on Friday nights. Do I use the dinner sweatshirt? Because I know that like it's gonna get it's gonna get sloppy up there. But uh, do you have a bib? Do you have a bib? No, I don't know.
John Shull 1:04:30
Not a goddamn Chuck like manchild over here. Well, maybe I am.
Nick VinZant 1:04:34
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like if you're an adult and you have a bib, I don't really care what you're eating. You're kind of saying something about yourself. Like you just he just got to figure this out. So could
John Shull 1:04:46
you imagine rolling up to like a restaurant with you and your wife or girlfriend boyfriend whenever you have your you pull out a bib and you're just wearing the bid that would mean less more power to you if that's what you need, man. Get on you. Man,
Nick VinZant 1:05:00
you could not wear a bib in front of me if we were dating boy or girl. Within the first two years of a relationship, I would have to be pretty much 90% committed in order to continue to be in a relationship with you if you had a bib on while eating. Like, no, I'm out of here. I
John Shull 1:05:22
went on a random date. Real fast. I went on a random day with a girl when I was in Orlando, and she had just had some teeth work done. And she would tuck napkins and delight her neckline. But like, like, almost created like a little like a little bib. And she would eat and like shit would just roll off their roll onto the napkin and then roll on to her blouse or whatever she was wearing. And I was like, what's the purpose of wearing the napkins and looking like a fool? If it's not going to work? But
Nick VinZant 1:05:50
did you go on a second date?
John Shull 1:05:52
No, no, I didn't really get second dates sometimes because of you. Wait.
Nick VinZant 1:05:59
Yeah, wait a minute. Did she call it off? Or did you call it off?
John Shull 1:06:02
I mean, I did. So Oh,
Nick VinZant 1:06:05
was it the bib?
John Shull 1:06:09
We just didn't we just didn't click well put it that way.
Nick VinZant 1:06:12
Okay. All right. Can I tell my drooling on stuff? Sorry. Yeah, of course. So I started a new job. And I was in charge of like meeting with all the different representatives from different areas. And I had just had like a dental procedure, not a cavity with something else. But I had to have like anesthesia and there was like blood involved. And I went to all these meetings with like, blood just dripping out of my mouth. But I did it on purpose because I thought it would be funny, like I didn't cancel anyone because I was like, I just wanted to see what people would do if I had like blood coming out of my mouth. Like who's this new guy like he's fucking crazy. Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it really helps us out doesn't have to be a big thing. Just a couple of quick words, and let us know what you think are the best juices. I really went into this thinking Orange is the best juice. But maybe for the first time in the history of this show. John convinced me his argument about orange juice only being good in the morning is a good argument.