With four major championships and nearly 30 PBA titles between them, Bill O'Neill and Sean Rash are two of the best bowlers in the world. We talk life on the PBA tour, bowling techniques, the best bowling alleys and the secret to trash-talking on the lanes. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Life Decisions that Always Come Back to Bite You.
Interview with Professional Bowler Bill O’Neill and Professional Bowler Sean Rash
Speakers:
Nick VinZant: Profoundly Pointless Host
Bill O’Neill: PBA Pro
Sean Rash PBA Pro
Nick VinZant 0:11
Show Notes;
In this episode we we talk about:
How Bill O’Neill and Sean Rash started bowling
What makes a professional bowler good
How much do professional bowlers practice
Bill O’Neill and Sean Rash’s favorite places to bowl
How much do professional bowlers make
Professional bowlers share their best bowling tips
Best bowling joke
How many 300 games have Bill O’Neill and Sean Rash bowled
What is the secret to being a good bowler
Do professional bowlers trash talk
Who is the best professional bowler
Hi everybody welcome to Profoundly Pointless My name is Nick VinZant coming up in this episode, we're going bowling and then counting down the top five life decisions that always, always come back to bite you
Sean Rash 0:28 so you know, it's a way different life than another sports
Bill O'Neill 0:34 is it really really fine line between being really great and just being really, really good?
Sean Rash 0:39 So you become really good at something because of practice because of motivation because of confidence, where some people think is arrogance and cockiness. But in an individual sport, you have to have that
Bill O'Neill 0:53 Oh Kingpin is the worst. Yeah, worst. Yeah. Well from a bowling perspective, because it Just it makes us look so horrible.
Nick VinZant 1:03 I want to thank you guys so much for joining us. If you get a chance, like download, subscribe, share, we really appreciate it. It really helps us out. I'm really excited about this episode. Because who doesn't like going bowling? Honestly, like even if it's something that you don't do that much, everybody still likes bowling. But the amazing thing that we learned in this is that what makes a professional bowler special what makes somebody really really good at it is so much different than other sports, because it's something that you can't really see even when you're watching it on TV. You don't realize what what one of the main obstacles that they're kind of going against is. Our guests for this episode, our professional bowler, Bill O'Neil and professional bowlers Sean Rash. They're both on the PGA Tour and they're both Some of the best bowlers that are out there. Real quick though the format for this episode is going to be a little bit different. We asked both bill O'Neil and Sean Rash the same set of questions in alphabetical order, you'll hear bill O'Neil first and then Sean Rash. What hooked you on bowling?
Bill O'Neill 2:19 It was kind of like how anybody really gets into anything really like I, when I grew up my my dad bold, my grandfather bold. A lot of my family were involved in it. So you know, I didn't really know that it was, you know, a niche sport until, you know until I was you know, probably in high school like I just did just what I did is what my family did so, you know, wasn't so much later in life that I realized how you know how rare it is to kind of, you know, be in the position that that I'm in now.
Sean Rash 2:52 You know, really bowling started back in Anchorage, Alaska. In my use days. My parents did it as a family activity. Kind of a night out for them. But then my my brother and I got involved in the ELD kids Saturday morning league. I got hooked on it pretty early, and then started following them to the bowling centers on Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday nights. And then I started bowling a junior league on Sunday nights with my dad a junior adult league and just became something like I said, a family activity and it was fun to do.
Nick VinZant 3:24 Were you good from the start?
Bill O'Neill 3:26 Um, yeah, probably. Yeah, I guess so. Um, you know, I guess in the, you know, my local youth youth leagues, I was probably always you know, kind of near the top and average at it at a young age and it you know, it helps when you have people in your, in your immediate circle that are that are good as well. They also are smart about, about the game so they can teach you so I, you know, I kind of had a leg up in that, you know, in that regard from the very beginning.
Sean Rash 3:51 I don't know if anybody's ever good from the start at anything they do. Personally, I think it takes you know, a lot of practice, a lot of dedication, a lot of money spent In hard work, but I was told I was a natural athlete, you know, hand eye coordination, I played baseball growing up as well. And probably could have pursued that if I had maybe lived in a different state other than Alaska. But you know, just something that I did every day. So you know, you got thousands of reps in practice in you, you learn a trade of skills and, and whatnot, and you take your talent with it and, you know, support goes a long wayas well.
Nick VinZant 4:31 Why are you good at it? Is it? Is there something about you physically? Is it a mental thing? Like why are you good at it?
Bill O'Neill 4:38 Yeah, hand eye coordination is really important. So I think like if you you know, most most bowlers are at least fair at stuff like golf. You know, the one of them the most accomplished bowler in the world is also one of the best horseshoe pitchers of all time, just because, you know, the same kind of idea, you know, with the with the hand eye coordination and you know, you find a lot of a lot of guys who can you know, there's a A lot of guys who played like high school basketball and you know things like that, especially with the you know that the hand eye coordination stuff but you know, you don't need to be you know, it's not the run fast jump high type of sport. So you're not you know, the the you know, and like brute strength doesn't really helping you. So it really is the really is the hand eye coordination stuff that is, you know, pretty important. I think every athlete in every sport has their different positives and negatives, right.
Sean Rash 5:25 So you become really good at something because of practice, because of motivation because of confidence, where some people think is arrogance and cockiness. But in an individual score, you have to have that, you know, because no one else was really cheering for you besides your family and the select group of close friends. Physically, I think as a kid, and even through my college days, and my first couple years on tour, I was stronger than most had a higher reverie, higher ball speed, and kind of overpowered things as I've gotten older and have dealt with injuries. I've had to learn from my path, you know the positives and negatives and learn from failure more than anything on how to be successful at an older age
Nick VinZant 6:12 On the kind of flip side about that, when when you look at like the best bowlers of our of all time, what separates them from you?
Bill O'Neill 6:22 That's a tough question because there's a lot of there's, there's just so many factors that go into it, like, you know, your, your, the way you like your natural ability, the way that you're that you just kind of throw it dictates a lot, you know, your ability to put revolutions on the on the ball, like how much you know, as people would say, you know, most people don't do what they refer to as spin. You know, that kind of the amount that you're able to put on there, the amount of torque you're able to create is very, very much natural. And so we're really, really hard to increase it. As you progress in the game to just kind of the way you throw is the way you throw it then you kind of tweak things here, they're so you know, people have certain games that you know, the way they develop, they match up certain arrows. You know, we have technological advancements in Bowling, like every other sport does. So things, things evolve and change. And, you know, there's a certain like, you know, some circumstance that would dictate to where people get, you know, whether they're great or just kind of like really, really good. And so that I think, like, kind of a long winded answer to your question, but it is a really, really fine line between being really great and just being really really good.
Sean Rash 7:34 You know, the biggest thing about I think the greatest of all times, compared to where I stand in our sport is the amount of majors I've won. I've only won twice and I say only one twice. I've been in position to win pride, a half dozen to a dozen more. I bowled for the title and all of them unfortunately lost in the title in the three that I'm missing. I have two of the five majors and You know, so you start looking at the greatest of all time like norm Dukes, Walter Ray or Anthony Jason Belmonte. p. Weber, they have, you know, multiple majors 810 1213 you know, whatever it is, and they've dominated in, in certain areas as well. So Jason has dominated over the last decade. And then I would say followed by myself, ej tackett. And now I anytime soon as probably had the best, you know, next couple of decades, so to say. And quietly Bill O’Neill had a resurgence over the last couple years where he's, you know, him and I have very similar resumes. Since we've came on tour. Again, you know, I can go into any event thinking someone's better me, you know, when you have a dominant run, and I've had a couple of them. I had a really good run last summer in the summer swing through the fall with the US Open and winning in China. I just, you know, you walk into a building and you go, Man, I'm gonna make this cut. I'm gonna make this And anything can happen then. And there's a couple guys that are going through that right now where they have a mental edge over others where they go oh, we're not being him this week we're bowling on his favorite pattern
Nick VinZant 9:10 How many hours a week on average are you putting into it between just practice practice in any kind of physical training?
Bill O'Neill 9:17 When I was when I was just starting out I was younger like, you know, late teens early 20s, mid 20s and I was just trying to get my feet wet you know professionally and I was I was competing and bowling a lot I was I was in the bowling centers every day practicing and you know, several hours a day bowling because you know, there's just a lot of different aspects to the game that most people don't know you have to really be able to change your speed vary your angles, understand how to like slightly increase in disk in decrease your you know, your reverie which is the you know, the amount of spin you put on it. Because the the way the environment is it's they put oil on the lanes, and He put it on the lanes in different volumes in different ratios, different shapes to make it easier or harder to you know, to strike. So you have to be aware of all those things and be able to alter your game.
Sean Rash 10:12 So in the beginning, I was putting in a ton of time now that you know I'm in my late 30s now and I understand the game at a pretty pretty high level, I understand my game. So I've you know, in order to preserve my body and be able to do it for a little bit longer, I've slowed down the practice a little bit. But, you know, I still when we're in season, we bowl a ton and then you know, when I'm getting ready for the, you know, for the start of the tour again for like, you know, probably six weeks beforehand, you know, I'm in there three, four days a week for a couple hours. Well right now, I'm going to tell you that I'm not gonna throw a bowling ball for probably the next month. I've been home a week so I'll give it very another three weeks but because of the injury to my lower back, when I stretch and rest and in try to work out at certain ways to strengthen it. We don't have anything currently coming up either to compete in that unless something from the PVA miraculously shows up in August and September. So our next season is the PBA league into September as of right now. So, about three weeks prior to that.Basically the first of September roughly, I'll start getting all my bowling balls in order, make sure I have an arsenal between you know, 10 and 20 bowling balls that I want to travel with and I know what they do from top to bottom, what hooks more what hooks less in, start going after, you know, three, four or five games a day. I'm not a real long practice guy. I'd rather stretch and throw shots in a quality type way. Like a half hour 45 minute practice guy and I'm done. And that incorporates shooting spares. You know playing different parts of the lane and throwing different bowling balls and and make it make it be done with it. I feel like sometimes you can practice too much
Nick VinZant 10:33 when you look at somebody who's just like a really really good local player or a college player how much difference is there between them and you?
Bill O'Neill 12:12 pretty big difference you know you have different physical tools that that separates the pros from just your regular league bowlers. You just you know there's so many so many people that bowl that are like over like say like a 215 average in your local league. They're able that they have honed it on like one skill that they're that they're good at and they're able to you know, they stand in a certain spot they you know, their their axis rotation is the same their speeds the same that it never changes but for us as professionals You know, we've gotten really really good at doing you know, four or five different things and changing angles and speeds and rotations and things like that and that's really what what separates the good league bowlers from from the professionals. is, it all really comes down to the patterns, you're bowling on the competition that you currently have,
Sean Rash 13:08 You know, so I bowl a recreational league on Tuesday nights at Parkside lanes with my wife, and my brother and some really good friends. And we do it for fun, but we're also very competitive. But when we're bowling on the recreational pattern, my wife can beat me. You know, I can have a night or I can just go nice, very nice, very nice, very nice burn, she can throw a six or seven bagger and my friends can beat me that I will leave with on Friday nights where they can just string a bunch of strikes because the blame pattern is so forgiving. You know, people strike a lot and they won't 250 to 300. So but when we get on to the PBA patterns that are a flatter ratio, it comes down to repetitiveness, so I'm way more accurate than most I should say pros and myself are way more accurate than the recreational bowler where, you know, we're hitting our target way more often, and asking for so much forgiveness when they see it for recreational patterns. So on a recreational pattern, even I can go bowl, we're both going to be able to 30. And I would probably do it for how many games we both for and you're going to do it for, you know, 678 games out of 10. I'm going to do probably nine out of 1010 out of 10 all the time. Now we go on a PVA pattern, you're going to go to 30 but it's going to be one out of 10 times I'm gonna do it seven or eight out of 10 times depending on what the pattern is
Nick VinZant 14:42 to correct me if I'm wrong but the the oil basically on the lanes dictates kind of how the lane operates.
Sean Rash 14:49 That is true to some ex tent. There's also a thing we call topography. It's a lot like golf, right. So if you saw my beef with Max home on Twitter recently, we're going back Back and forth about the differences in golf and bowling and in our sport we play on an invincible field, right they put oil pattern down on the lane, but we have no idea what it's going to do. Now sometimes they'll give us and most of the time they'll tell us what the pattern length is and the shape of the pattern. But the lane topography itself will tell you what part of the lane price should be playing in as the lane pattern does as well so every time you throw your bowling ball, the lane changes it doesn't matter if you're right handed or left handed the oil you know transitions from front to back or goes on your bowling ball and soaks in. The one thing I always joke around with golfers is it's always 72 degrees inside and we're not worried about wind and rain but we have those events outside that we've dealt with the the outside elements, but you know it's there's so much into it. The bowling ball you throw itself has a core in it and a cover how it's drilled. It's gonna go longer hook earlier if service on it makes it hope sooner if you can polish on it makes it go longer. You know you're playing first arrow and everybody on your players playing fit there. Oh, there voluntee 15 you're going to 10 then you probably should change part of the lane.
Nick VinZant 16:12 When you're in a competition one lane be different than the other.
Bill O'Neill 16:17 Oh certainly. Yeah, all the time. It's because of a couple different reasons you're, especially for us we bought one game on a pair of lanes and then the next game will move to another one. So it's can be determined by who is on the pair in front of you, you know, you have a lot of different you know, if you have guys who have a really really low rep right in front of you, they're not going to pull as much oil off the lane but if you follow a bunch of guys who have a lot of freight, they're gonna pull a lot off. So you know, that can really affect the way you know how your ball is gonna react to the lane.
Nick VinZant 16:48 Can you tell like immediately as soon as the ball leaves your hand if that's a strike or not.
Bill O'Neill 16:54 I will I will know if I if I throw it good or not. If I throw it physically good. But like you know as explaining it's the environment is is invisible so can make you make your best educated guess of where you're supposed to stand and throw it and you can make the perfect shot and have a really imperfect result because you were you know you were standing in the last spot
Nick VinZant 17:18 we got a bunch of listener submitted questions and Are you ready for some of the harder slash listener submitted questions? Of course, what size ball Do you use and why? Bill O'Neill 17:30 So the maximum you can go is 16 pounds I use and most professionals and most people who bowl leagues will use lose 15 pounds you know, it's a forever we use 16 everybody use 16 but the balls got so powerful that the deflection wasn't nearly as great with the with the powerful balls so people took the you know, one less pound to kind of, you know, avoid the extra weight in the event. You know, the thousands of shots that we throw, you know, that extra pounds Over time can can cause some some injuries.
Nick VinZant 18:02 So that's something that were like I immediately get it. And then I think about it, and I don't get it. So what's like the difference between using a 14 and a 15? And a 16 pound ball besides the weight? Like what's the, what's the what's the point there?
Bill O'Neill 18:17 So when you when you when the ball hits the pins, you want it, you want it to drive through the pins, you don't really want the ball deflecting so when you like, it's like so if you see like, you know, if you go and you're bowling recreationally and you see like young kids and they're throwing like six or eight pound balls, when they hit the pins, they immediately fly towards the gutter, because they're just reflecting on you know, the pins way. Something like three and a half pounds. So you know, when you have an eight pound ball hitting those pins, they deflect off until like when you get to a point where you know, 14 is probably the minimum that any competitive bowler would throw in B, it's because if you just don't you don't want that much deflection, you won't have as much drive to get to the pins in the back. Sean Rash 19:04 What size ball I would tell you is what weight. So you have six to 16 pounds, I threw 16 pounds all the way up to 2015 2016 season. After I injured my hand, in Dallas, the US Open, I had to drop weight to 15 pounds. really didn't notice much of a difference, but I use a 15 pound ball.
Nick VinZant 19:28 what is your best average Joe tip like average guy, you're going to give them one tip that's going to help them become better What do you got?
Bill O'Neill 19:37 So what I see all the time with with people who are just, you know out for a night of fun, what they they they try to overthrow the ball with their upper body too much. And that's where the inaccuracy comes from and trying us ends up in the gutter a lot because when you're whipping it around your body, it's impossible to repeat. So if you watch anybody who's you know Over 180 average bowler, they're using their legs to create the power so it's a you're kind of walking by the ball instead of pulling it behind you. And that would be the you know that the thing that separates anybody who does it and people who don't is that you just try to, you know, muscle it when you try to take, you want to try to take as much muscle out of it as as humanly possible.
Sean Rash 20:23 Well, it's kind of like a three kind of tip process, right? You got to have good balance. every athlete has great balance in every sport, you need to follow through towards your target. So it doesn't matter if it's first arrow, third arrow for there, whatever it is, and then you need to hit the one in the front, on your first ball or a second ball depending on whatever it is. Those are kind of the three things that recreational bowlers we try to teach them more than anything is great, bounce, follow through. hit your target hit the one of the front,
Nick VinZant 20:52 favorite place to bowl least favorite place to ball.
Bill O'Neill 20:59 I like traveling I really like getting around around the world.I like I like bowling and I believe we'd be bowling Japan like at least like once a year. And that's a cool place to go. It's just such a different cultural experience to what you know to what we do here. So I always find it really, really interesting and fun and I enjoy being over there I think must say my least favorite place finally have any like, I guess it would be depending on the time of the year sometimes you know, we'll bowl in Houston sometimes in July and it's very sticky and hot and I like that or I've been to Scandinavia in January, those would be places I was. I would try to try to avoid just simply because of the weather.
Sean Rash 21:39 Oh, favorite place the bowl over the last decade. Realistically last three or four years has been Shawnee, Oklahoma. I've won three times there since 2013. I've had a lot of success in that building a shop 302 89 to win this year in January. Another place would be South points original Bowling Center did a lot of dominating the World Series of bowling back in 2010 1112. It's not my least favorite place the bowl, but my ball doesn't strike there a whole lot and that's in Columbus. It's one of my favorite places to go because my mother's from that area. The owners Wayne and alien Webb are some of the best proprietors we have in our sport. But I do not go well in that building. I've had some moments, but it's a it's a tough place for me to go to.
Nick VinZant 22:33 Is it a comfortable living? like can you make a pretty good amount of money doing this?
Bill O'Neill 22:38 I mean, I guess that that question is relative to what people think is a comfortable living.Yeah, I mean, it's I I'll answer it this way. I it's the only job I've had for 15 plus 15 years. I don't have a secondary source of income. Yes. I mean, it's you know, there isn't a ton of guys in my in my situation. I've been fortunate to be you. No at the at the, you know, in the top 10 or 15 for, you know, 15 years. So there's a lot of guys who have like, operate Pro Shops in their downtime. But for me, it's been mostly, you know, all bowling stuff the last 15 years.
Sean Rash 23:17 For a handful and 10 guys it is the guys that are really good with their money I've not I would have been very good with mine where I started some, you know, set accounts and IRAs and stuff for kids and college funds and stuff like that. But we've had some guys that have made millions of dollars, not a whole lot, you know, three, 4 million a couple million here and there or missing a zero maybe two zeros compared to every other sport in when it comes to earnings.
Nick VinZant 23:45 That's a fair way to look at it. Right. I mean, I guess when I think about it in terms of major sports, maybe right below tennis, in terms of growing,
Sean Rash 23:56 we're way below tennis.
Nick VinZant 23:58 Really.I mean, I think See you guys on TV though all the time.
Sean Rash 24:02 Yeah, just yet. But so our number one player in the world currently right now is Jason Belmonte. He's one of them. ej tech and Anthony simonsson. Myself and a couple others, you know, top five top 10 Jason has made right around 240,000 I think this year on tour, I can look it up here real quick. I've made between January and March I made 45,000 roughly and I just made another 40,000 in the last few months during some special events and finals of stuff. So I've made almost 100,000 this year, which is great. You know, I also have some sponsors that help pay me but I pay all of my expenses and nobody else does that. You know, you go play a golf tournament. Those guys are not paying for golf.They own injury feats. We have entry fees. We have hotelYou know, so we have, you know, we have our expenses, we have to offset as well.
Nick VinZant 25:05 Do bowlers talk trash to each other? And if so, who's the best trash talker?
Bill O'Neill 25:11 Oh, certainly, yeah, certainly.It's tough because a lot of us are friendly. And I think that's something that hurts us, especially on television. Because we all travel together, we're all we're all kind of next to each other all the time because we compete in the same events and it's hard to to create those kind of like rivalries because we're all kind of friendly. It's different than team sports, where everybody's separated, you're just kind of hanging out with your team. So, but we do certainly, you know, give each other at least at the bare minimum, give each other you know, really, really hard time and, you know, we never let anybody slide on something that they do that's, that's, you know, stupid on the lanes for sure.
Nick VinZant 25:52 If it's, you say it's you who's probably the best bowling trash talker.
Bill O'Neill 25:58 It's always the people who are Good obviously it's uh you know Pete Weber has been really good for a long time the guy who's the best in the world right now Jason Belmonte. He's He's pretty good at it because it's easy to be the one doing the doing the trash talk when you are beating people that say it doesn't resonate as much if you're, you know, if you're a middle of the pack type of guy.
Sean Rash 26:20 We should do more of it. I think we'd we create more rivalries for fans to think there's rivalries it would show some different sides of people. Some of the best trash talkers on tour though are guys like Stu Williams. Chris Barnes is a real real quiet Tommy Jones Do you know SEO there's a few more in there but those guys they've got the great one linersand he just never see it coming.
Nick VinZant 26:52 What number would I have to bowl for you to be impressed?
Bill O'Neill 26:57 Oh, there's no number. Yeah. I've seen the best and the worst of all types of people throughout life. So nothing really nothing at this point really impresses me or I don't, you know, because I will get from people when I show up at the local Bowling Center practice. They're like, I'm nervous to throw the ball around you. I'm like, I don't care what you do. Like there's nothing that you're going to do that's going to like, make me think I go like this guy shouldn't be around here because I've seen it all.
Sean Rash 27:27 Well, I'd have to watch you bowl first. To actually gauge what kind of bowler you are. You know, like, I've never seen you throw a bowling ball before he told me he averaged 130. And he threw a couple shots. And I would be like, well, it's full, you know, be full of us. He would tell you, you know, you're 181 90 average bowler, but then he said you ever see 38 throw club shots and I go, okay, you're really full of it, you probably only averaged 180.
Nick VinZant 27:58 how often will you bowl a 300 game?
Bill O'Neill 28:06 Well, I don't, I don't bowl much in leagues anymore. So that's where you'll find a lot of the higher scores because the you know, like I was explaining about the the oil on the lanes, you know, there's a, there's an angle that you need to achieve to maximize the chance of striking. So when you can put oil on the lane to make it like almost like tracks where they just like, direct the ball right into the right into the, you know, into the pocket to where you're, you're just maximizing that chance to strike. And so when we go on tour, the lanes aren't oiled like that. So it makes a lot harder. So I usually I'm probably about a couple of year, maybe at this point
Nick VinZant 28:46 best bowling movie or TV show worst bowling movie or TV show.
Bill O'Neill 28:53 kingpins the worst. Worst, yeah. Well from a bowling perspective. Cuz it just, it makes us look so horrible. It doesn't really represent what it is that you know what we do or how we approach it. It's just a you know, it's just a movie that perpetuated all the bad stereotypes about about bowling so I hate absolutely hate that movie. How many other bowling movies with there being it?
Nick VinZant 29:25 I guess The Big Lebowski
Bill O'Neill 29:27 Lebowski but that was that I think I've only seen it like once a week was that really like a big wasn't really like a bowling movie though? I don't know. there really hasn't been a whole lot of movies about bowling, but I guess if I had to choose or certainly be thinking about
Nick VinZant 29:41 who is the best celebrity bowler that you've been around?
Bill O'Neill 29:47 Mookie Betts baseball player replaced with Dodgers He's the best. He actually competed. In a handful of our events. He actually bought a 300 game one of our events a few years ago. He He's exceptional. He would you know, he's somebody who could if he, you know, obviously wasn't one of the best baseball players in the world he could have potentially ended up on you know, bowling professionally. He's He's that good but there's some other guys who were who were who were good. Terrell Owens is pretty good. Jerome Bettis has bowled three hundreds before as funny as the best celebrity bowler currently would be. Mookie Betts
Nick VinZant 30:30 is there like is there a couple other people that you'd be like all right. All right. Thank you go.
Sean Rash 30:34 No, yeah, there's a con. There's plenty of great bowlers a guy named CJ Anderson who was running back to the Broncos friend of mine. You know, golfers Mark Calcavecchia, and Woodie Austin senior golfers but definitely can bowl as well. He's not the best celebrity bowler but Chris Paul, the third unbelievable basketball player but he's got a huge charity event that has ran for years with the PVA called the Chris Paul celebrity challenge. You can you can follow in watch a bunch of things through YouTube but a guy can go a little bit. And he's brought hundreds of athletes and celebrities and people to this event through the years but definitely another good celebrity bowler
Nick VinZant 31:17 Best ball related joke?
Bill O'Neill 31:21 Oh, I mean, when I used to when I used to work in the Bowling Center, when I was younger, you know, I was in high school. People would always call was the constant running joke of like, the prank call to the Bowling Center would be, you know, I'd say hello, given the name of the Bowling Center, and they would say, hey, do you guys have a 14 pound balls? And I would say, Yeah, we do. And then they would say, oh, how do you walk and then hang up. So that was the that was the running prank. I call when I was when I was working.
Nick VinZant 31:51 I mean, I bet that got really annoying, but that is pretty good.
Bill O'Neill 31:55 I mean, after a while, I would just like I would, I would I knew it was coming. And I would just like switch managers up by, you know, one pound. And then they would be like, Oh, yeah, they just have they were just waiting for the they would just, you know, wait for the me to say yes to 14 pounds and then they would drop the joke
Nick VinZant 32:13 so that's really all the questions I got me and anything you think that we missed what's coming up next for you?
Bill O'Neill 32:20 Like everybody like everything else. We're pretty pretty shut down at this point we have a couple of events that we might be doing scheduled at the end of September. We have a team event that we do in Portland, Maine every year. That's supposed to be at the end of September But yeah, I mean, with everything shut down right now we're, we're pretty shut down. So so we're just kind of, you know, wait for things to clear up a little bit.
Sean Rash 32:42 Ye ah, so next right now, for me would just be the PBA tour finals are two or five that just concluded the PD two early in September in Portland, Maine, September 27, and eighth at Bayside bowl. Really excited about that. But there'll be some small things that could possibly participate in but my wife and I just welcomed our third little girl laying around on the world, June 29. So I'm going to be staying home as much as possible, helping the wife with the kids. You know, trying to stay away from, from COVID, of course, and trying to stay healthy. There's so much going on right now, as always, but I'm very, very fortunate to be able to take some time off here over the next month or so.
Nick VinZant 33:29 And then you've got you got a raffle coming up, too, right?
Sean Rash 33:32 Yeah, so, about three weeks ago, myself, the PVA SIBO 100 Global, have come together to put together an all expense paid trip that I'm paying for, for a fan and a guest to attend the TV league baseball in late September, which is basically our next event on the PGA Tour. So it's really cool deal something to give back. The best part about it. It's raising money for breast cancer awareness. Our our charity is the striking is Breast Cancer Foundation down in Houston, Texas. lady named Donna Connors put together this event 20 plus years ago and just really excited to be able to give back. That's one of the best things about our sport is the things that we've been able to do. So we're selling raffle tickets for $10 apiece, six for 50. And all the money is being donated to help fight against breast cancer. So really excited about that.
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