The new NFL season is here and that means the return of Fantasy Football. But Fantasy Sports aren’t just a fantasy, they’re a massive industry that has changed the way we watch and consume sports. Fantasy Sports and Sports Betting Researcher Dr. Brendan Dwyer joins us as we talk the impact of Fantasy Football, the dehumanization of athletes and the lure of Fantasy Bass Fishing. Then, we unveil a new Candle of the Month and it’s Darts vs. Pool as we countdown the Top 5 Bar Games.
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Nick VinZant 0:00
Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick vinzant Coming up in this episode fantasy sports and bar games
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 0:21
because of those players, they are competing against their best friends. They're competing against their family members. So it's pretty personal. NFL player in fantasy sports, if you're a top tier running back or quarterback and you get hurt in week one, the fantasy sports you know population blames you for getting hurt. One of the most interesting things I've found about sports bettors and the research we found, is they all think they win.
Nick VinZant 0:49
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it. It really helps us out. If you're a new listener. Welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guest, because with the NFL season kicking off, fantasy football is back, and our first guest studies the impact that fantasy sports have had not only on sports, but on society as a whole. This is Dr Brendan Dwyer. How has fantasy sports impacted sports?
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 1:31
I would say fantasy sports has really changed how fans watch sports, right? So do you play fantasy sports?
Nick VinZant 1:39
I do occasionally, like I'm kind of on again, off again with
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 1:43
it. Okay, so, I mean, it's been around for a long time. Started in baseball, really started out with really hardcore nerds of baseball, but then in the late 90s, early 2000s it really transformed into a popular cultural phenomenon where you had a lot of sports fans, primarily in football that played. And it took the traditional fan of being, you know, someone who's a fan of the Minnesota Vikings or New York Giants, and it took them from being a singular focus of just that team and maybe that team's rival, to watching all of the NFL games, because now they have players that play on the Arizona Cardinals and the Miami Dolphins, and because of that, and their interest of those players that are watching games on Thursday night and Saturday night sometimes, and Sunday and Monday and on The Holidays all over the place, and those interests go beyond just those players, but because of those players, they are competing against their best friends. They're competing against their family members. So it's pretty personal, and that interest, you know, has taken a league that was already really popular and made it even more popular.
Nick VinZant 3:01
I'm a big numbers person, so like, on a scale of one to 10, one being the lowest, 10 being the highest. Like, how big of an impact would you say fantasy sports has had?
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 3:12
Oh, gosh, it depends on the league. I would say the NFL was already extremely popular when fantasy football took off. But I would say in terms of increasing its value and increasing the value of the media broadcast rights, I would say it's probably a six
Nick VinZant 3:34
that's pretty high, that's higher than I thought that she would say, necessarily. Why do you think that it's had that big of an impact,
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 3:41
I would say a lot of that has to do with the media broadcast rights and the importance of things, of how fans watch games. I also think that at the time when fantasy sports took off, betting and sports betting was not legal. That doesn't mean that it wasn't happening. You know, sports betting is in the NFL in particular is really set up for sports betting. Though they play weekly, they're always showing the lines. Are always showing, you know, the different prop bets, everything associated with betting. But it wasn't, you know, ubiquitous. You couldn't do it everywhere. You couldn't do it on your phone. But, you know, fantasy sports, you could and the number one revenue source for professional sports is media rights. It's the Fox Sports, the ABC ESPN, it's NBC Sports. And those that play fantasy sports and those that bet they watch games, they watch more games and they watch games longer.
Nick VinZant 4:42
Is this the kind of thing that leagues knew what they were doing, or did they kind of stumble upon this?
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 4:48
I think they may have stumbled upon the interest. I'm not sure they realize how important impactful, impactful, fantasy sports was to. To traditional sports fans. I'm not sure they could have predicted in 1995 how popular would have become in 2009 Yeah.
Nick VinZant 5:11
Have they embraced it completely, or have any? Oh, yeah. It's kind of like, No, we're not doing this. No.
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 5:16
I think every league has. I think every league has completely embraced it. I think some leagues, it's more popular than others. I use football as an example because it's kind of a gateway fantasy activity. I think if you play football, then all of a sudden it transitions to, I'll play I'll try basketball because I like basketball. I'll try baseball because I like baseball. What's
Nick VinZant 5:36
kind of the dark side or the downside? Whichever one of those you want to look
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 5:40
at, I think the one that, I think popular culture has talked about is dehumanization of players. I think, and we've studied this, we've done a couple of studies on the potential dehumanization of players. I think, you know, Twitter and the dark side of social media has pointed out a number of bad instances where, and even, I think the players have highlighted it too, especially the NFL players that have been, you know, the ones that get injured, right? You know the players they can't. They trust me, they don't want to get hurt either. But if you're, you know a highly sought after NFL player in fantasy sports, if you're a top tier running back or quarterback, and you get hurt in week one, the fantasy sports, you know, population blames you for getting hurt, and they'll, you know, they not only will they come after you on Twitter and on Instagram, they'll go after you in the stadium and they'll make comments like, you ruined My fantasy season. You know, they're obnoxious. It turns out that's a small minority of the million, 10s of millions, that play fantasy sports. But that's one downside, is that intense connection to playing fantasy sports. I also we have found instances that the increased attention across the league has taken away from that favorite team fandom, right? So who's your favorite NFL team if you have one, Buffalo Bills,
Nick VinZant 7:13
all right? And I say it like that, right? It's hard to be a Buffalo Bills fan.
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 7:16
I love there's a couple, yeah, there's a couple, of fan bases and sort of interrupt there's a couple fan bases that have had a rough run, right, the Buffalo Bills, the Minnesota Vikings, right? And I always commend those fan bases, because they stick with them. But yes, there's some research to suggest those that play fantasy, especially teams like the bills the Vikings, the Bengals, the lions, that have had tough seasons that all of a sudden, as the season goes on, or years go on without success, they then lose interest in their favorite team and just become fans of the league or fans of their fantasy team only.
Nick VinZant 7:53
How did you get started looking in this like, why did you decide to research fantasy sports?
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 7:58
I don't know if you know any fantasy football participants or anyone that plays fantasy sports? They're kind of like people who watch documentaries, and if you know anyone that watches documentary, the first thing that they want to do is tell you all about it. Fantasy Sports participants are the same thing like all they want to do is tell you about their fantasy team. Doesn't matter if you have any positive feedback for them, or reinforcement of nonverbals. They're going to tell you all about it, the bad luck they've had, the good luck, the scores, everything. And I realize one that's going to be really easy for me to do research on, because I'm going to find really, I'm going to have tons of research participants also, I also realize they're crazy. I lived in Los Angeles for three years when they had no NFL team. So everyone that went to that I would go to a bar to watch NFL games was all people from Buffalo, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, you know, Washington, DC, and they were all there to watch their favorite team and to watch their fantasy and I'd watch them every Sunday in this like conflict in their head of watching their favorite team and saying to themselves, and also watching their fantasy team and saying themselves all right, if this quarterback scores two touchdown, but my favorite team also does this at the same time, I'll be good. And it was watching that irrationality that I was like, This is really weird. What kind
Nick VinZant 9:31
of I guess. What have you learned? Like, what would you say your big takeaways are from studying fantasy sports.
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 9:36
People play more for the social interaction than they do to win money, right? Everyone thinks that you play fantasy sports to win the the cost you $100 to buy in you could win, you know, $800 you could win $600 but that's not why people play. They play to stay in contact with friends, to make new friends, to interact and with their friends. That's a primary reason. Play, and that doesn't matter if you're male female, that's the number one reason.
Nick VinZant 10:04
How did the players generally feel about it? Because I could see, like, we kind of talked about, like, okay, Aaron Rodgers hates that. He's getting yelled at because he got hurt. But then also, somebody knows who the third running back on the Miami Dolphins is that they maybe wouldn't have other so how did the kind of the players feel about it?
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 10:22
I think it's mixed. I was probably say, if you I think some of the players are coached well by their teams and organizations to embrace it. I think they realize that it's beneficial to them and it's beneficial to the league. So they say, okay, I get it. We have to go along with it. I think there are some that truly despise it because it had a bad experience. They've been chastised because they got hurt or they had a bad performance. They underperformed what their expectations were. They're also, you know, NFL players, Major League Baseball players that play it, you know, you know, there's the Austin ecklers of the world that is a huge proponent. He plays for the Washington commanders. Now used to be with the Los Angeles chargers. Now he's one of the biggest proponents of the game.
Nick VinZant 11:08
Does is there seem to be in your research, is there, is there a scientific rhyme and reason to winning at it, or is it ultimately, kind of just a little bit
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 11:18
of luck? Fantasy football, I argue, is 65% luck, we asked fans that this almost every survey that we do like, what is your perception of luck to skill ratio? It's a perception, right? The more experienced a fantasy participant, the more aligned with that 60 to 70% luck. So yes, the less experienced. Believe it's more skill, because they believe the more time and energy you put into it. But the ones that are more experienced, they're like, Yeah, I get it. Like, you can't predict who's gonna you're not gonna predict who. You know, the weather, you can't predict the referee, you can't predict your opponent. You can't predict so many aspects of it. When it boils down to it, we're playing a game within a game, and there are so many we can't predict who's going to win one game, much less a game within a game, a daily fantasy sports game, I say a daily lineup game like basketball, hockey, baseball, where you make transactions every day, because there's games on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, the skill does increase because there's just more variables to interact. I would argue baseball's closer to 35% luck, 65% skill, and then hockey and hockey and basketball are 5050,
Nick VinZant 12:51
is there a difference? Would you say that there's a difference between the in the type of person who does the NFL, kind of weekly versus the daily stuff?
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 13:01
Yeah, there definitely is, I think, the traditional sports fan and the ones that play fantasy sports are generally older. They have they are less avid sports fans. They have a less illusion of control of what's going on, right? Where those that play daily fantasy sports, they feel like they have some sort of inside information, right? They feel like they know more than other people. They have that illusion of control. Where, like I have some inside information, or I know fantasy sports more than another person. They're generally younger, they're highly educated, they have more money, so they're the ones that play daily fantasy sports. But as I mentioned, as sports betting has taken off, and now we have 38 states and the District of Columbia that you're allowed to bet on sports. You know, daily fantasy sports has died down in popularity.
Nick VinZant 14:00
Are you ready for some harder slash? Listener submitted questions, sure. Sport that has embraced fantasy sports the most, sport that has kind of shied away from it, football has
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 14:12
embraced it the most. I don't know if there's one that has shied away from it, but I will say one of the benefits to studying fantasy sports as I had to dive in. Well, a couple different reasons. One is, there's any sport on I can always be like, it's research. But also, I got to try, or I tried a lot of different fantasy sports. I did, you know, for some people that aren't huge sports fans, I tried a lot of different things. I did, fantasy NASCAR, fantasy golf, fantasy bass fishing. I did fantasy Premier League, and my favorite that I did a couple years ago was fantasy mushing, which, oh, yeah, the Iditarod is tennis is not just Iditarod. It is a seven race circuit. Uh. Of dog sledding. So yes, fantasy mushing is the the low point of my used to be fantasy bass fishing was my low point. But fantasy mushing, which, if you do a little bit of research, shockingly, you can pick the winner of
Nick VinZant 15:12
the editor, what would you say has had a bigger impact on sports as a whole? Fantasy sports or sports betting?
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 15:18
Oh, sports betting.
Nick VinZant 15:19
Not even close,
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 15:21
yeah. I mean, it's just been around so much longer, I think, yeah. I mean, especially as it relates to, yeah. I mean, you can go back to the scandals associated with with sports betting, whether it's Pete Rose or the, you know, the the Black Sox with Chicago black, black socks, to even this, the current ones we're dealing with now, like there are issues with the scandals, but also, you know, sports betting plays a role in favorites and underdogs and the stories associated with sports that I think sports betting is, by far fantasy sports has been, you know, It was a niche activity that was created in the, you know, 70s, 80s, and it blew up in the late 90s, early 2000s and it's now part of popular culture, but it is nothing compared to sports betting.
Nick VinZant 16:11
Even if you looked at it just from, like, the last 20 years, it's still not even it's still sports betting by a mile. Yeah, I would say this one's going to be tough. One man, best team name you've ever heard. Oh, god,
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 16:25
that's funny. You brought that up because I by winning my favorite, my most important League, I have to name the team that got in last place for tomorrow, because our draft is tomorrow, and so I have to name his team, and I'm going back and forth between what I should name him. This has got to be embarrassing or humiliating, what I should name him. There are so many good ones out there. I mean, obviously the trend is to use a player's name, but I so many of them have inside jokes and that sort of stuff. The one that I like use before. It isn't even that creative. But I always like with touchdown there, which sometimes takes a while for someone to get but that's why, the reasons I like it
Nick VinZant 17:13
now, now, okay, yeah, touchdown there, like, that's a good one.
Does fantasy sports have a connection with betting? Is it like, you
know, the thing though, is, like, is it a gateway? Yeah.
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 17:23
I mean, I do think there's always going to be a connection to it. I think there it is, especially with the transition from fantasy sports to daily fantasy sports. Yes, there is a potential gateway. We've never really studied longitudinally that would be actually very interesting to look at, especially for age, because I think a lot of people, they start with fantasy sports, like the younger generation. Like, for instance, my son, who's 10, just did his first fantasy football draft yesterday. I'm not gonna lie, part of me was like knowing his personality. Like, what did I just do? Because, you know, 15 years ago, for a 10 year old, there was no, you know, sports betting on television all the time. You know, did I just start someone in fantasy football that is now going to be bombarded with sports betting that when he turns 18 in eight years, is going to all of a sudden have a huge interest in, you know, putting money on uncontrollable outcomes. So I we've never studied that longitudinal impact of starting in fantasy sports, but there has been, we have done research on how playing, starting in fantasy football has impacted your interest in playing in other fantasy sports and daily fantasy sports, and that is certainly a case there, that if you start playing in one fantasy football league, the chance of you playing in other fantasy sports and then daily fantasy sports is certainly much higher. I do know, the one thing that I really do like that I've heard as being a trend is that when a team wins, like a player wins their fantasy team championship, is that they donate a portion of their winnings to their the team, there's always a player that carries you to your championship, right? There's, you know, let's say you won last year, and it was Christian McCaffrey that was your the guy that really drove you to the championship, because he was amazing last year. Well, you know, there's been a trend of taking 25% of your proceeds from winning your league and donating it to his donation, his charity. That's pretty
Nick VinZant 19:37
much all the questions I got. Is there anything you think that we missed, or anything like that.
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 19:42
I The only thing I would add is one of the most interesting things I found about sports, betters and the research we found is they all think they win, like they all. They all have and the phenomenon is called selective memory. It's a combination of select. Good memory and illusion of control, but the question we always ask is, at the end of the month, give us what your balance is from sports betting, are you up $100 are you down $100 and almost every single one is in the positive. Now we know that isn't the case, right? Like there's the reason Las Vegas looks the way that it is. I mean, there's a reason that these sports books survive, is because they win the majority of the time. But according to the people that we surveyed, and this is 1000s of people that we surveyed over years, they all in their minds. They're because of selective memory. They only remember the good months or the good the wins that they and this has been true from fantasy daily fantasy sports participants and Sports betters. They month to month, only remember having positive outputs. So
Nick VinZant 20:57
would that be? A
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 20:59
lot of that has to do is they have a higher level of illusion control. These are individuals that believe that they are dictating what's happening week to week. In the NFL, they believe that they know more than the traditional fan.
Nick VinZant 21:11
I may have missed it, but that's unique to sports gamblers, as opposed to somebody who's gambling just like on poker or blackjack.
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 21:17
No, it's certainly not unique. It's as traditional, non sports better. So all of betting, whether you are blackjack or, you know, playing at a casino, the same thing happens. It's just we find it at a higher percentage in sports.
Nick VinZant 21:34
I want to thank Dr Dwyer so much for joining us. If you want to connect with him, we have linked to him on our social media sites. We're profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included his information in the episode description. And if you want to see more of this interview, the YouTube version will be live on September 5 at 12:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of the show ready to go.
John Shull 22:05
This is the last episode of my 36th year on this earth. Oh,
Nick VinZant 22:11
you're trying to put out there a birthday thing for yourself. Then, right? You're trying to drop birthday hints. No,
John Shull 22:16
no, no, no, I'm not trying to drop it. I just this is the last you know, if you think about it, the fact that I've been alive for 36 years. I mean, that's kind of I mean, that's a story in itself. In
Nick VinZant 22:29
in honor of your 37th birthday, let's ask this question, do you think that you have wasted the first 36 years of your life? No,
John Shull 22:36
actually, I would not have traded any any moments in especially in my 20s and early 30s. Okay,
Nick VinZant 22:43
okay, so you didn't waste the whole thing. But what percentage of your life do you feel like you've wasted? I
John Shull 22:48
don't know, probably less than 20% so a fifth. I do
Nick VinZant 22:53
feel like I've wasted a significant portion of my life by not really remembering a lot of it, in the sense that, like, okay, not only going out and doing that stuff when you're in your 20s, but I should have written down or kept some sort of a journal of things that I've been doing, because I would say that, I would almost go out in a limb and say, I don't remember 90% of my life.
John Shull 23:16
Wow. I won't say that. I will say, think about your day to day. I don't disagree with you if you're doing it that microscopically, but there are definitely moments in time where somebody will say, Hey, you remember when this happened? That happened and it was a big moment to them. But I don't remember it. I have started keeping a journal, though, I do keep a journal now. Oh, I
Nick VinZant 23:43
keep a journal too. I write down something. I try to write down something from every single day.
John Shull 23:47
You know what I kind of wish is that I would have taken I can't believe I'm saying this, because I hate myself in photos, but I wish I would have taken more photos throughout the years.
Nick VinZant 23:58
All right. Uh, okay. Well, it says, move on.
John Shull 24:01
Doesn't that scare you? This is a conversation I had with a complete stranger about 12 hours ago that like people don't know like we don't we already don't know how to talk to each other, and some people can blame the pandemic, whatever. But isn't that scary moving forward in life that the generations well below us or after us may not communicate at all in person.
Nick VinZant 24:24
I don't know. Man, I think that every generation thinks the generation above them is idiots, and the generation below them is idiots, and that has been standard for the all time. I think that every generation thinks the other Gen there's something wrong with the generation coming up. Is that true or not? I don't know. I mean, I would say that there's definitely some things that people younger than me do that I wonder how that's going to pan out. But I think people older than us probably wondered how that was going to pan out for us, and we turned out just fine. Every generation thinks. Every other generation's terrible, and that's just how it's always been. But so you don't communicate with other people, well, we adapt and we evolve, and everything's probably going to be fine. So
John Shull 25:09
our generation's definitely been through some shit, though, but we can, we can move on.
Nick VinZant 25:13
I mean, millennials have, but the thing is, is, like, I don't understand how one generation thinks that if they were in that other generation, the things would really be any different. Everybody's a product of their time. If we were 20 year olds, we would be acting just the same way as 20 year olds do now. It's not like we were doing something great. You're all a product of their time. It's just how it is.
John Shull 25:33
Does history repeating itself every 15 years
Nick VinZant 25:37
it does. Man, all the trends are coming back, right? The thing that I don't understand is the hate about socks.
John Shull 25:45
Enlighten me, because I'm not, I guess, familiar with it.
Nick VinZant 25:47
So listen, apparently there's a big thing that ankle socks are not what you're supposed to be wearing, and ankle socks, socks aren't cool. But I don't understand that as well, right? Like, if ankle socks are the way to go, no show is the way to go. I don't understand the idea of having these big, long socks like that's just not as convenient. It doesn't look as good, it's much more uncomfortable. That's the only generational thing I would push back against, is about the socks.
John Shull 26:15
I mean, I just I don't listen. I don't care what kind of socks you wear, but it doesn't long socks just aren't comfortable. Like they just they don't look good, and they're not comfortable, and they get too hot.
Nick VinZant 26:27
I 100% agree. I that is a hill that I am willing to die on. I understand younger generations may prefer longer socks, but longer socks are just not the way to go. Like, every generation does things differently, but this socks thing, like, No, you're doing it wrong.
John Shull 26:44
You're wrong. You need to wear, stop wearing whitey tighties as as well.
Nick VinZant 26:49
Oh, man, I love whitey tighties. I rock those into my 30s.
John Shull 26:53
Alright, here's some, here's some shout outs for this week here. Okay, as we enter September. Uh, Josh renow, Will farraball, Gabrielle, duva No Julian Council, Justin Huxford, John Skelly, Alexander Haman, Dave Klassen, Jake Quesada, Jaden hooker, Ryan Graham, and give a special shout out to someone who's been a listener of this podcast for quite a while. Kent Culbert, oh yeah, Kent, yeah. So appreciate all of you, not just Kent, but everyone on that list. So alright, well, I don't you probably, oh, go ahead.
Nick VinZant 27:40
You don't see a lot of Kent's. How old is Kent? Do you know how old Kent is?
John Shull 27:47
Oh, man, you're gonna get me in trouble. Oh, boy, I know he's near either he's near 50 or just after 50,
Nick VinZant 27:55
that's about the age that I would think that somebody named Kent would be. No offense to Kent. Kent is Kent is is in like you can kind of tell how old somebody is by their name, a little bit Kenson name that precedes us. Will it make a comeback
Unknown Speaker 28:11
eventually?
John Shull 28:12
If I had to ask you, is Kent Culbert? What? What's a heritage? Do you think he is? No idea he's Irish. So Culbert,
Nick VinZant 28:24
I don't know what that like. I couldn't ever guess somebody's nationality by their name unless it's like, oh, Shaughnessy.
John Shull 28:30
Well, I just feel like Kent's like, there's, you know, Kent's a pretty Irish specific name. I feel,
Nick VinZant 28:36
Oh, I don't know. I would never associate Kent with being Irish. I mean, if his name was, like, Connor, like, I don't, yeah, like, Oh, his name's Kent. He has to be Irish,
John Shull 28:52
alright. So I don't, I don't know if you remember what we had talked about last week. Nope, but we're gonna do we're gonna in America the NFL, kicks off in a couple of days. It's actually going to kick off the day after we release this podcast, this episode, Thursday
Nick VinZant 29:08
the fifth, I believe, Thursday
John Shull 29:10
the fifth. So we had talked about, I'm going to bring up some awards, you know, like most valuable player of the year, and I'm going to give you who I actually think it will be. Oh, okay, good. All right, you, you had said that you're going to come up with a list that makes no sense, and you're still going to be better at the end of the year in terms of who you picked than me and I did research. You said she'll do some research and come to the table with something. So here, here's what I'm proposing to everybody out there, whether you listen to episode, whether you're watching us on YouTube, whatever, come up with your own list. And let's compare. Man, I'm sure we have some T shirts laying around somewhere that we do have t shirts. Actually, we do have t shirts. So I guess we'll start with probably the lowest one. So there's five. Put five, four awards in the Super Bowl winner. So okay, let's start with probably the lowest award, or valued Award, which is Rookie of the Year of the NFL. Who are you going with?
Nick VinZant 30:13
Well, who's the rookies? Like? I don't know. I don't know any of the players. Oh,
John Shull 30:18
I don't know why I expected you to Bob a lingo. Bob alongar
Nick VinZant 30:22
is my favorite player, so I think he's great. He's definitely rushing the outside. You know, he runs a four, three. He's six foot, 12 and 397 pounds. I believe he plays a wide receiver. So that would be my pick for offensive Rookie of the Year. Is Bob olingo. Bob along our
John Shull 30:40
I'm sorry, was there a Baba lingar in there? Baba
Nick VinZant 30:44
lingo, Baba. I have no idea, dude. Like, I don't know this. This is the problem is that you went way too specific on a list that I have no idea, right? Like, who do you think is going to be the best player in the baseball draft? I don't know. I don't know a single one of them.
John Shull 30:56
Your idea last week.
Nick VinZant 30:58
This was not my idea. You said you were gonna do something. No, you said last week to do this.
John Shull 31:04
So go back and look, I
Nick VinZant 31:05
didn't do any research. Yeah, I did no research for this. So how would I be able to do it? Like, who do you think is the offensive Rookie of the Year person who did no research? We're here. Don't even know any of the names of the players.
John Shull 31:15
I tell you what you take Jaden Daniels, I wrote down Caleb Williams. They're the two favorites, both quarterbacks. Caleb Williams is the rookie quarterback for the bears, so he's, I'll go, probably gonna die. That's who I went with. You're getting Jaden Daniels, who is the Washington commanders quarterback. I
Nick VinZant 31:32
don't want Jane Daniels. I want Caleb Williams. I'm picking Caleb Williams for my rookie of the year. Fine.
John Shull 31:40
They were both picking him, and I'm writing that down.
Nick VinZant 31:42
B Sean Robinson is bishon Robinson and rookie,
John Shull 31:45
no, we'll get to him, all right.
Nick VinZant 31:47
Martin Harrison Martin's playing.
John Shull 31:50
You're not going to know anybody. Defensive Player of the Year.
Nick VinZant 31:59
Who's, it's good old. Who's it, brother of what's its name? Who's it?
Unknown Speaker 32:04
It does John, who's
Unknown Speaker 32:05
its I'm
John Shull 32:06
great player. I went with TJ watt.
Nick VinZant 32:10
Who's he? Is he JJ Watt's brother?
John Shull 32:12
Yes.
Nick VinZant 32:13
Oh, is he really? He's actually his brother. Oh, okay,
yeah, him. He's great. I love him.
John Shull 32:19
Just so you know everyone, when Nick starts talking shit to me about the NFL, saying I'm not a fan. Remember this episode where he couldn't name you one defensive player?
Nick VinZant 32:29
I don't know specifics of it, but I bet I get the games right. Okay,
John Shull 32:33
Offensive Player of the Year. Then,
Nick VinZant 32:37
oh, some quarterback
John Shull 32:40
just what a Dave, what that you've
Nick VinZant 32:43
heard? CJ Stroud,
John Shull 32:45
perfect. I went with Bijon Robinson,
Nick VinZant 32:48
who's that? Oh, I dropped that guy's name. Isn't he a running back? He
John Shull 32:52
is for the Atlanta Falcons.
Nick VinZant 32:55
Okay, yeah, I love it. Just so everyone knows
John Shull 32:57
that's Nick's first actual answer, other than I.
Nick VinZant 33:01
You gave me no options. Like, just pick some random guy out this thing that I'm like, Hey, okay, tell me your favorite, uh, badminton player.
John Shull 33:09
You told me to do research and that you were just going to go off the top of your head, yeah,
Nick VinZant 33:13
but I don't know any of the people who are involved. Okay,
John Shull 33:17
well, this is the last person, and
Nick VinZant 33:19
then we'll get way too this is like you have to have parameters for these things. You gotta set these things up correctly. It's gotta be multiple choice, not just open end multiple choice. MVP, the league. Oh, probably Patrick mahomes, alright, cuz I wins every year.
John Shull 33:33
That's who I have as well. So I'm gonna change it. I'll give you my homes, and I will take Jalen Hurts from the Eagles.
Nick VinZant 33:43
Oh, that's a terrible pick. His team's terrible.
John Shull 33:45
Probably, all right,
Nick VinZant 33:46
if things raise to the level, well, I know it's a bad idea, then you should definitely know it's a bad idea. Like, no, he's not going to be the team that like. But didn't they get like, they did terrible last year. They're suddenly going to be good this year? No. Like, no, yeah, that's not going to happen. My Offensive Player of the Year is Caleb Williams. My Defensive Player of the Year is probably going to be Michael Parsons. Did
John Shull 34:07
you just look up a list? Where did Michael Parsons come from?
Nick VinZant 34:11
Yeah, I've heard that name before.
John Shull 34:13
All right. Well, all right. Well, let's, uh, this might be too advanced. I don't know who's winning the AFC in the NFC for you.
Nick VinZant 34:21
I don't know which teams are in which division. Okay,
John Shull 34:23
who do you have winning the Super Bowl then?
Nick VinZant 34:25
Oh, probably I don't want them to win at all, but probably the Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, they seem like they're probably the best team, and doesn't seem like anybody else really got any much better. So probably them who I would want to win is the Buffalo Bills. But I don't think that's going to happen.
John Shull 34:42
Probably not. I went to the Detroit Lions. That's not going to happen over the Baltimore Ravens. So the Detroit Lions will
Nick VinZant 34:51
eventually remember that they are the Detroit Lions like they're not. I don't think it's actually legally allowed for Detroit to win at anything. I.
John Shull 34:59
Yeah. I mean, not in this decade or last decade. Well, last decade they did win a Stanley Cup, but it doesn't matter. All right, listen, that's, that's all I had. I wrote down your I wrote Baba lingo, babala, and I'm gonna look up to see if anyone even comes close to that name. Oh, he's
Nick VinZant 35:15
a great guy.
The thing that I've always heard about the NFL is generally like, whatever you think is going to happen is wrong. This is my rant about sports analysis analysts. I can't stand them. I don't think that any of them have any idea what they're talking about, and they're wrong most of the time. They make weather people look like they know what's going on, like sports analysis, like, who knows? Man, they don't know. I
John Shull 35:40
can tell you that whatever college football's done to itself, it's terrible, because college football may be the worst product out there on the market.
Nick VinZant 35:49
Okay, do you think I would? I mean, they are also like the second biggest sport in the world, I think not in the world, but in the United States. I think it's foot college I think it's NFL football and then college football. So they seem to know what they're doing. No, I
John Shull 36:02
don't think that's right in the world. No, not in the world. No, in the United States,
Nick VinZant 36:05
though I would. Oh, it's probably NFL football, and then college football,
John Shull 36:09
like the NBA is in there. But I don't really know. Move on. I had a question
Nick VinZant 36:12
that I was going to ask you, and I completely forgot about it. Good.
John Shull 36:16
So my plan's working. Oh, it's back to you.
Nick VinZant 36:20
Are you ready for? Oh, are you ready for? What time it is? Did you remember
John Shull 36:27
that? Of course, I remembered this before you get into the intro. This is, this is get this is something I don't even know how to describe it, but it may be, it and it's easily a candle of the year. Nominee, wow. So anyways, let's go candle
Nick VinZant 36:45
of the year. Contender, Okay, it's time. The Outlaw candle connoisseur, I can't do the table thing when we're live. The Outlaw candle connoisseur Rides Again. Candle of the month.
John Shull 37:04
So hold on, let me. Let me grab a quick drink here. Okay,
Nick VinZant 37:10
um, hydrate. Make sure to hydrate. So
John Shull 37:11
this, I don't even know how to describe this candle and how it came to be, other than it ended up by accident that the family and I were going out to breakfast one day, and the two places we went to or wanted to go to two places for breakfast. No, we went to the first place, which is the place we really wanted to go to. They were out of power. They weren't open. So then I look on the outage map, and we're like, Okay, let's go to another place across town. So we go over to the other place, and they had had, like, a ruptured water line, and it flooded their kitchen. So now we're like, What the fuck do we do? Right? Let's just go home and I'll make pancakes. My oldest daughter, out of nowhere goes, I want piggy pancakes.
Nick VinZant 38:10
Yeah, you gotta, you gotta put that. You gotta, yep, no, well,
John Shull 38:13
guess what? Restaurant has piggy pancakes,
Nick VinZant 38:16
pigs in a blanket. What are piggy pancakes? I don't know what that is. They're kids
John Shull 38:20
pancakes, but they put them and they look like a pig. Oh, you
Nick VinZant 38:24
had to go looking around for something that specifically makes you had to, like, drive around and do all that stuff. Like, I'm not doing that. Like, tough luck kid. I did I did it. We did a stick of wood you can get and chew on that.
John Shull 38:37
My wife did a quick Google search, and we found a one, one restaurant, at least, that has them on their menu publicly, and that is Bob Evans. Ah,
Nick VinZant 38:47
okay, okay, so to buy hot for people who don't know we're
John Shull 38:53
in Bob Evans and we're eating, and, you know, whatever I we go to pay, and they have a counter. It's kind of like a Cracker Barrel, like you have to kind of go into a little store to pay or whatever. It's not really a store, but they have merchandise, and sure as shit sitting right next to the cash register or Bob Evans candles. Oh,
Nick VinZant 39:13
my God, are you going to tell me that the candle of the month, potentially a candle of the year nominee, is something from Bob Evans,
John Shull 39:22
no, not only am I going to tell you this, but I I'm going to tell you that I don't see them sold online, which means you have to go to the store to buy them. There's several different kinds. I got the buttered maple syrup, one wicker candle, one wick candle. And it is, I mean, it is delicious. I mean, it is, right now in Michigan, it's going to about 80 degrees in the daytime, and goes down to about 5565 at night. And, man, you like that sucker at night, and it just makes you feel. Little homey. Makes me feel like I'm eating, eating, you know, pancakes with maple syrup and butter on them. It is delicious.
Nick VinZant 40:10
Part of me is very upset with this. Part of me understands it. The part of me that is very upset with this is like, this is a Bob Evans candle. This is supposed to be candle of the month. You're supposed to be the outlaw candle connoisseur, and you're essentially telling me, like you're a restaurant critic who's recommending me McDonald's. Like, have you ever heard of McDonald's? Right? Like, that's what you're doing right now. But the other part of me understands, because the best spaghetti sauce that I've ever had in my life that I am addicted to is the cheapest crap that I can get from the local grocery store here. So I understand that sometimes you can find hidden gems in unexpected places.
John Shull 40:54
I mean, it's not like I wanted this to happen. I mean, to be honest with you, I had a very nice candle from another online company that I was going to have on here. This has happened in the last couple of weeks. Hmm,
Nick VinZant 41:06
I just don't know how I feel about it. I kind of feel like we're selling out for no money.
John Shull 41:12
I mean, listen, if people have trusted me for the last two years with this candle kind of sewer title, okay, trust me on this one,
Nick VinZant 41:21
putting your reputation on the line is what you're doing. Don't, don't
John Shull 41:24
get butter, maple syrup, then get the farmhouse scent.
Nick VinZant 41:27
Oh, my God, you know, how long did you spend looking at candles? At Bob Evans,
John Shull 41:32
I mean, it wasn't more. I mean, they only had two or three cents to choose from. But, you know, it was a joke. My wife laughed at me, right? She's like, Oh, why are you getting a candle? I'm like, I don't know. Let's give it a try, you know, man,
Nick VinZant 41:47
and it was, did you make it awkward for the cashier? Did you talk to him too much about the candles? Did you make it awkward for the cashier?
John Shull 41:54
Actually, it was a great experience, and
Nick VinZant 41:58
for both of you, or for just for you. Well, I
John Shull 42:01
had asked because there was a little dust on the top. And I'm like, people don't buy these too often, do they? And the poor the woman was like, No, I don't remember the last time anyone bought one
Nick VinZant 42:12
of those. God, and you're going to say that it's a great candle, telling
John Shull 42:16
you sometimes you find the best things, the diamond and the roughs and the roughest of of things like you don't expect it, and I didn't. I didn't expect this to be good at all, but my house, a week later, still smells like buttered maple syrup pancakes. Wow,
Nick VinZant 42:35
that good. I mean, I did meet my wife on match.com so you do never, kind of No, but I'm going to be pretty skeptical. We're going to need somebody from the audience to try out the Bob Evans candle. How much was it? How much was it? I think 895,
John Shull 42:50
oh so cheap. Yeah, it was not expensive, and you didn't have to pay for shipping, you know, you like, I could just take it home. I could just burn it. I mean it, you know. I know I've had some other store bought candles on here before, but I do showcase a lot of companies and a lot of sites that are, you know, websites. So
Nick VinZant 43:07
okay, all right. Well, we'll just have to go ahead and see what we hear.
John Shull 43:11
I get your hesitation, I get it, but trust me on this one you if you can find it, you won't regret it.
Nick VinZant 43:19
That's a cheap that's all you kind of had me sold a little bit cheap. That's all I really need. I seriously doubt that Bob Evans makes the candle. They probably just like, Hey, Bob Evans, you want to put these in your store and put your name on it? Like, yeah, they probably make the same candle for like, 10 other companies.
John Shull 43:34
I mean, I mean, you could argue that. I mean, that's all candles kind of smell the same after you really get down to it. Yeah, candies.
Nick VinZant 43:41
Are you going to start going around and checking out various stores to see if they have candles? We've
John Shull 43:48
had this conversation. I don't think I've ever been to an IHOP.
Nick VinZant 43:51
Oh yeah, IHOP. I don't think I've ever been to a Bob Evans. I've never been to a Cracker Barrel.
John Shull 43:58
I've been to a Cracker Barrel. I've only been to a waffle house once, and it was on the outskirts of Nashville, only because the person I was with was, like, we have to go to a waffle house. It's a Tennessee thing, yeah.
Nick VinZant 44:09
So no, it's a that's a cultural experience, that's great. You need to go for like, Waffle House at certain times of the day. Is dinner and a show like, that's an entertainment thing, okay, our
main is that it that? Are you ready? Yeah, let's do it. Alright? So
in honor of football season, starting up top five bar games, I think that's what they're called, and we're not talking about, like, flip cup or things like that. Like not drinking games, bar games, like stuff that you do at a bar besides drink. What's your number five?
John Shull 44:45
So I think this is a newer edition, at least in last decade or so, maybe not. But my number five I have cornhole.
Nick VinZant 44:54
That's what I have. My number five is also cornhole, and that's not a new edition that's existed. For like, years. The only reason I put cornhole as number five is because I don't really think that there's that many. That's where it goes. Like cornhole is number five by default for me, not because I actually enjoy the game. It's just
John Shull 45:14
one of those games where, no matter how much I try, I still suck. I could be playing somebody with no arms, one leg and half ahead, they're still going to beat me.
Nick VinZant 45:26
Oh, you're that bad at it. You
have poor depth perception. I wouldn't
John Shull 45:30
say depth perception. I just say, the more I drink, the less I care.
Unknown Speaker 45:34
Oh, yeah, that's where some
John Shull 45:38
of these game or some of these activities I have further on the list I know not to be too drunk at because I want to do well. That's
Nick VinZant 45:46
I have CO that's what, like, cornhole is my number five, but only because, like, I just could never see myself, like, really trying hard at cornhole. Like, I really want to win this game a cornhole. Like, I'm not motivated by it.
John Shull 46:01
Yeah, it's just, no, I'm good with it. That's where it should be. My number four. And this is kind of, you know, once again, it has to be on the list somewhere. So I put it just above cornhole, but it goes no further for me. So my number four is darts.
Nick VinZant 46:18
Oh, you have darts. And number of darts is a classic game, dude. I think if we were overseas, I think overseas, other countries are really into darts. I will say there's a video on the internet that, if you ever see, like, the best round of darts ever. I think it's called that looks like the greatest atmosphere I've ever seen in my life. I want to go to, like, the world's darts championship. I don't know if I've ever had more seen more people having fun. It looks amazing. Yeah.
John Shull 46:44
I mean, some of these small, niche sports, like, they can get, like the it's fun. It's a good time. My number four is shuffleboard. Okay, alright. I like shuffleboard. Shuffleboards fun for sure.
Nick VinZant 46:57
I would have put shuffleboard higher, but it's a little harder to find. I don't know enough places.
John Shull 47:03
I unfortunately think it just gets edged out on my list. But I like shuffleboard. I do. Okay,
Nick VinZant 47:08
okay, number three,
John Shull 47:11
air hockey.
Nick VinZant 47:14
I'm glad you have it at number three. I think that it should be higher on the list, but I'm glad that you have it. I'm glad that air hockey is getting a little bit of respect. My number three is darts. I would have put darts a lot higher. I like darts a lot, but I think that the two and one are just like, No, you those. Those need to be there. But I love darts. I think it's great. It's funny to
John Shull 47:34
say that, because I think my one and two are the only options for one and two. So, oh, okay, me having air hockey at number three. I think of air hockey was in more bars, it would have creep maybe gotten to be my number two, but I haven't been in too many bars that have had air hockey. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 47:51
I would agree with that. I think that probably even though we don't have it, I think most people would say darts is number one.
John Shull 47:59
I think that's fair. That could be fair. Okay. Oh, go ahead, my number two is pinball. Oh,
Nick VinZant 48:10
I like pinball, but it's a game that, like, I can't it's not social enough. That's why I think Pinball is held back as a bar game, because you gotta, gotta be, you gotta be invested in it, like you gotta be paying too much attention in pinball. That's why my knock on it.
John Shull 48:29
Yeah. I mean, I don't disagree with that. I also think, though there's a pinball machine in almost every bar, and there's, it's always, there's always people playing it anytime of night, it's just, and it can get competitive. And you know, you always have that one person on every night that's like, I'm gonna break the high score, and they never come close.
Nick VinZant 48:47
No, it's much harder. My number two is skeeball. I love skeeball. Oh, play skeeball all day. It's like bowling, but easier and quicker and less activity.
John Shull 48:58
But see, I don't, I don't, I don't, haven't. I haven't I haven't been to that many bars that have skeeball. Well,
Nick VinZant 49:02
you're going to the wrong bars.
John Shull 49:03
I mean, maybe
Nick VinZant 49:04
you're too busy googling piggy pancakes when you should be Googling skeeball. That just makes
John Shull 49:10
me a good father, okay, makes you a pushover. I
Nick VinZant 49:13
mean, whatever. Too bad kid. You can have what you can find in the car seat. So
John Shull 49:19
I think we have the same number one, then probably, no, I
Unknown Speaker 49:21
don't even know
Nick VinZant 49:23
what your number one is going to be. I don't even know what it's going to be. Oh, I know what it's going to be, and I completely disagree. Okay, what's your number one then,
John Shull 49:32
well, my number one for Best bar games is pool.
Nick VinZant 49:37
Yeah, I would agree that most people would put that up there. I don't particularly enjoy it.
John Shull 49:44
So what? What's your number one then air hockey.
Nick VinZant 49:48
I love air hockey. Air Hockey needs more respect. Air Hockey is a great, great game. I love it.
John Shull 49:56
So here's my here's my thing with air hockey. I enjoy it. I. Like it. But if you're playing it as an adult against another adult, it gets to be a little annoying, because half the time you're hitting it so hard that the puck just flies off the table. I think
Nick VinZant 50:12
that you need to really just reevaluate your life and what you're doing,
John Shull 50:18
like, maybe you're not hitting it hard enough?
Nick VinZant 50:20
No, maybe I try to actually play the game instead of just trying me, John, me hit ball hard. It's not just actually try to use some finesse.
John Shull 50:29
Well, mate, you're right. Maybe I'm not playing it right, or I'm not playing it right with the people that I'm playing
Nick VinZant 50:33
it with. That's what the problem is. You're not doing it right. Air Hockey is a game of strategy, speed, reflexes, ability, thinking it's fast chess is what air hockey is. You got to know math geometry, if they had the reaction time of a Formula One driver, this eyesight of a hawk, the body control of an Olympic gymnast. Air Hockey is the ultimate game.
John Shull 50:57
You know, every one of those attributes is definitely something I think of when I think of being at a bar, playing at
Nick VinZant 51:04
a bar, playing air hockey. My wife and I may drive 30 minutes out of our way to go play dollar air hockey at the University of Washington. We have a table in the back and we can that sweet though, that's actually pretty good deal, right? People who live next to college campuses, you should be going to those college campuses and, like, going bowling there the game rooms, because they're always cheap. That's like a life hack. Go to the college campus where you can get Bowling for $3 a game.
John Shull 51:34
I mean, yeah, that's, I feel like here, though, it's more expensive, like we have the University of Michigan kind of, kind of near us, Wayne State, but that all those places are pretty expensive or they're locked out to non students.
Nick VinZant 51:48
No, dude, they're not. You gotta, know, you just gotta go down there. There'll be, like, all that we have went through the University of Washington one time at the Student Union down there, and they would look like they were closed, and the guy's like, hey, we'll open up for you. It's $2 like, it's just, it's great you gotta go to college campuses and play on their stuff more, man, act like you're a student. Just act, I feel like, honestly, if you just go through your life acting like you're supposed to be there, nobody's going to actually really ask you any questions and kind of just let you do whatever you want.
John Shull 52:17
I mean, that's isn't that? Kind of just, isn't that? How many people have done a lot of things they're not even supposed to be there.
Nick VinZant 52:25
Act like you're supposed to be there, right? Like, how many people at their job, like, really know actually what you're doing? Like, not that many. Just act like you're supposed to be there and life's gonna be okay. Air Hockey is the best. Pool is stupid.
John Shull 52:40
I mean, I'm not good at pool, but pool, when you think of a bar game, I feel like it's darts and pool.
Nick VinZant 52:45
Yeah, I would much. I'm a more active. I like a more little more activity in my games. That's
John Shull 52:52
where I don't fast pace. I don't want to be active at a bar unless I'm moving my hand, you know, 90 degrees to my mouth,
Nick VinZant 53:00
12 ounce curls. I would have put ping pong as number one if I would have thought ping pong can get if I could get away with it.
John Shull 53:06
Yeah, no. Ping pongs in the bar game,
Nick VinZant 53:08
yeah. What's on your honorable mention?
John Shull 53:11
Uh, let's see here I have that. I don't know what it's called, but the like the basketball shooting game,
Nick VinZant 53:17
yeah, that's, I
would say that's more arcade game. I believe it's called basketball. Generally refer to it. Let's
John Shull 53:25
see. I do have shuffleboard on here. And then this isn't, this is an outside bar game, but bocce ball, I
Nick VinZant 53:35
don't know what that one is. It's kind of long,
John Shull 53:37
kind of complicated, but essentially you're just trying to hit a ball with a wooden, wooden, like, bracket type thing, through a couple of wooden hoops.
Nick VinZant 53:48
I was in, like, croquet, yeah, kind of Yeah. Okay, that sounds Wait. Am
John Shull 53:54
I getting croquet mixed up with bocce ball? I
Nick VinZant 53:56
think you're getting croquet mixed up with bocce ball. I think bocce ball is something you like, is like, oh, hold, but bowling,
John Shull 54:03
no, croquet, not bocce ball. Looks like there are nothing. You don't hit anything on bocce ball, you throw the balls,
Nick VinZant 54:07
yeah? You're like, it's like, I don't know how to play that. Anyways.
John Shull 54:11
It doesn't matter, horseshoes too, but horseshoes, horseshoes is fun, but you don't really play it in a bar or outside,
Dr. Brendan Dwyer 54:17
yeah, um, you
Nick VinZant 54:20
know what was, honestly, was huge at a point was golden T, I that was a big that had a moment I played
John Shull 54:30
golden T in the last year at a bar. So, oh,
Nick VinZant 54:33
I don't know if I've played, I would. The other one I could put on there is Buck Hunter, like a shooting game like Buck hunter. I went to an arcade the other day and somebody left $50 in Buck Hunter.
This the left it 50 bucks.
John Shull 54:49
What you know that somebody who rage quit the shit out of
Nick VinZant 54:53
that? Oh, they must have been like, really, or they didn't know they, like, paid on a credit card and didn't realize that they had $50 Thought it was five. Oh, my I would never leave $50 in a like $50 but they had to leave all of a sudden. How we could play $50 with a buck Hunter sitting there fly we played for like three games. I was like, this is way too much. I can't play this
John Shull 55:19
buck Hunter. Man, tell you what Golden's
Nick VinZant 55:21
big. I haven't played Gold team by like, 20 years. Not you got anything
John Shull 55:25
on your list, only
Nick VinZant 55:26
golden t and I would say Buck Hunter. Some people like put Jenga. But that to me, I don't understand that. Why do I want to get drunk and pick up?
John Shull 55:37
Yeah, there's a couple of bars locally here that you play board games. And I'm like, I don't want to get drunk and play games that I have to really think about.
Nick VinZant 55:44
Yeah. I mean, this is Go fish. I play Go Fish.
John Shull 55:48
Also I feel like I have to say that I did write this down. I wasn't going to bring it up, but blockbuster had the social media of the month, I feel. And it's Labor Day, and their their tweet was giving all of our employees the day off to celebrate Labor Day.
Nick VinZant 56:06
That's pretty that I can't believe they still exist. There's
John Shull 56:10
one left, I think, up by you, right? Oh,
Nick VinZant 56:13
I don't know. I think there's one left blockbusters,
John Shull 56:17
man, listen, we don't gotta talk about it. But some of my, some of my favorite moments that I actually remember were blockbuster included, oh,
Nick VinZant 56:26
I don't, can't remember ever going to a blockbuster. Well, I think I know about blockbus fart, no dude, because I know how to use technology. Wow. I could drive to this place and rent a video, or I could just click this button.
John Shull 56:42
We didn't. We didn't have that back in the day.
Nick VinZant 56:45
Maybe you didn't in Detroit, which is a third world country, which is why the Detroit Lions are going to do anything, and everybody knows it. They had one good year because they played a bunch of bad teams that were already injured. It's a complete fluke. They probably won't even make the playoffs, not just this year, but ever again. I don't I would be more willing to bet, if I had a choice between the Detroit Lions will someday win the Super Bowl or the Detroit Lions will never make the playoffs again ever. I would pick, oh, probably never again, ever. Oh, okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless, I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps us out and let us know what you think are some of the best bar games. I'm partial to air hockey. That's my number one. I love it, but I know it's really probably not number one. I think it's really between darts and pool. But let us know what you think you.