For some being a Swinger is taboo, but for Dan and Lacy it’s a way to explore their sexuality, come closer to together and show the world who they really are. We talk becoming a Swinger, why you probably know a secret Swinger and getting into the best Swinger clubs. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Forgotten Celebrities.
Dan and Lacy: 01:23
Pointless: 37:16
Top 5 Forgotten Celebrities: 52:41
Interview with Swinger Lifestyle Advocates Dan and Lacy
Nick VinZant 0:00
Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick vinzant, coming up in this episode swinging and forgotten celebrities,
Lacy 0:20
when everyone found out we were Swingers, people came out of the woodwork that I knew, that I would have never guessed that I was a swinger, but I had no idea that they were swingers. I would
Dan 0:30
say, for most people, when they enter this space, they are looking to fulfill sexual fantasies or desire. Swinging
Lacy 0:37
is not immune to that. 100% we've met people where you know either the husband or the wife. A lot of people think it's the husband that's pushing but sometimes it's the wife. I want
Nick VinZant 0:49
to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or a review. We really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a long time listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guests, because while they live a lifestyle that some might say is taboo, it's also really popular. This is swinger lifestyle advocates, Dan and Lacey. So what is swinging?
Dan 1:24
Swinging is non monogamy. You can kind of use those interchangeably. I guess it's really hard to pin down exactly what it is, because I think it means something different for everybody. But in very general terms, it means you're open to sharing your partner with somebody other than yourself.
Nick VinZant 1:40
Is it? The meaning of it changed over time, like, why is it different for different people? Well, I
Lacy 1:46
think it's different for different people, because it doesn't matter how you choose to do it. It's still swinging. Like for Dan and I, we typically couple swap. So we meet a couple, we form a connection, and then we will swap partners. But for another couple, the husband may not be interested in sleeping with anyone. He just wants to see his wife have sex with someone else.
Nick VinZant 2:06
Is it fundamentally a sexual thing? Is it more sexual? Is it more emotional?
Dan 2:12
I would say for most people, when they enter this space, they are looking to fulfill sexual fantasies or desires, and that's kind of the reason they entered into this space. But what they find is they actually end up forming bonds and friendships. And many swingers have friends that they've been, even our self included, that they've been friends with for for years and for decades. And you know, even when we first started swinging, we used to say, you know, we're sexually open, but emotionally monogamous, right? We only are emotional. We're only going to form an emotional connection with each other. But over time, what ends up happening is you develop friendship with people, and you care about your friends and if they needed my help, or if you know a tragedy happened in their family, like we would be there to support them, just the same way, probably you would for your close friends. The difference with us is we, we may or may not have sex with them. Does that
Nick VinZant 3:04
complicate things in it? It can.
Lacy 3:06
It can very much complicate things. Yeah. I mean, for the most part, it's usually pretty good, but when you're sleeping with your friends, I mean, how can that not complicate things?
Nick VinZant 3:17
Just I'm a big numbers person. Okay, so let's imagine there's 10 instances of swinging. And forgive me for the words, right? But you get the idea that I'm asking so like, how many out of every 10 that's going to get complicated for us? Not many.
Dan 3:33
Yeah, I think it's hard to answer that, because it depends when life, when couples first join the lifestyle and their own experience, their first few experiences, they might have drama every time because they don't know their own rules, their own boundaries, they don't know what type of emotional reactions they're going to have to their experiences. But the longer you're in the lifestyle, and the more you kind of figure it out, I think the less and less those kind of drama situations happen.
Nick VinZant 3:58
Is this something that people kind of do a little bit or no, if you do it, you're all the way in both.
Lacy 4:03
Yeah, yeah.
Dan 4:05
It depends, I think it depends on a lot of things. It's some people's stage of their life. So maybe if you're younger and you have young children, and you can't get away much, you might only you know, we know people that will go on one cruise a year, or they'll go on one vacation a year, and that for that one vacation, that one week, they'll be, you know, engaging with other lifestyle people, Swingers and swapping and having a grand old time. And then they'll go home, and they're perfectly normal, monogamous couple for the other, you know, 11 and a half months. And then there's couples that go out almost every weekend. There's couples that go out once a month. I think it all depends on kind of what stage you're in your life you're in, and then, like you personally, how how much, how often, or how much do you want to engage?
Nick VinZant 4:46
How would you say this is kind of viewed generally by society, badly.
Lacy 4:53
I think that the younger generation that is up and coming, early 20s are definitely embraced. Sing non monogamy. They don't like late labels. They just want to be like fluid and free with their sexuality. But I think the general population looks I think the word swinger is looked down upon, and especially I see that if you go to any of our social media, go to my Instagram like right now, it is insane, the things that people are commenting, and these people are the people that in their bio have Bible verses and talk about love and loving one another, but in my comments, they're just ripping me apart for owning my sexuality and being open to this lifestyle.
Nick VinZant 5:34
I'm happily married, been married my wife for 10 years, like for me, this is not something that that I would be interested in, but I don't like, do whatever you want. Like, I don't care do what you want. Yeah. Why do you think people have a reaction to it like that, instead of just kind of having a reaction to like, well, it's not my business.
Dan 5:53
I think it cuts against the grain of everything you've ever been taught, right? So even us, from a young age, you're taught you're supposed to find one partner, you're supposed to grow up, you're supposed to get married, and then that one partner is supposed to fulfill all your needs and desires and wants. And if you ever have any fantasies or desires outside of that, then you're sinner and you're bad and you're failing at your marriage. And the truth is, I think if we're all open with ourselves, we all have fantasies and desires. I don't know too many men that could honestly look at you in the face and say, I wouldn't like to have a threesome with two women, right? I think most people, when you're you sit down and you're honest with yourself, that's probably a fantasy you have. And so us, what we believe is, if I can communicate to my partner that I have this fantasy, and they trust me, and we've, we've developed this foundation of a relationship, where we can go out and we can explore those fantasies together, and it can be a positive experience for both of us. Why not do that? Right? And so we're doing that, and I think people see that, and they just think it goes against everything they've ever been taught. So there must be something wrong with it, even if they don't understand it, there's just something wrong with that.
Nick VinZant 7:00
Are couples usually completely on the same page? Or does one partner usually seem to be driving it more than the other? I
Lacy 7:09
think in the beginning, usually one person is going to bring it up to the other. It's you don't just come to this epiphany and have the same idea at the exact same time. So I do think sometimes it might take someone else a little bit time to get more comfortable and kind of be on the same page. But I don't necessarily think that's a negative thing. I just think as long as you're communicating with your partner, and we always say, play down to the one who is the most reserved, if one really wants to do it, and the other one is like a little unsure, and is kind of, like a little timid about it. You're gonna play down to that person. You're not just gonna jump in. You're gonna take very baby steps until that person is 100% comfortable. And if they never get there, then you don't ever do it.
Nick VinZant 7:53
Is that one of those things though, that, like in theory, that works, but in reality, do you have situations where somebody's really pushing it, and somebody's like, you know, I don't really want to Oh, yeah,
Lacy 8:06
that happens. I think that that happens with everything in life, you know. Like, I mean, swinging is not immune to that. 100% we've met people where, you know, either the husband or the wife. A lot of people think it's the husband that's pushing but sometimes it's the wife, and they are really unsure, and it's very obvious, and it is a huge red flag when you see it. And personally, if we see a couple that's like that, we are going to go the opposite way. And I would say most people in the lifestyle would probably feel the same way. That's a huge red flag. And that's when you have situations like you mentioned before, where there's drama or issues that come up. If you engage in couple with couples like that, things are gonna happen. So we just tend to just go the other way.
Nick VinZant 8:50
How do you kind of like so how did you get started in it?
Lacy 8:54
So we are both in the lifestyle separately, I met, I was dating a guy, and we had like, this awesome sex life. And I remember one night we had had this great sex, and we were laying in bed, and he was like, you know, there's this club in Nashville, Tennessee that you can go and watch people have sex. And that sounded hot to me, like it was like, live porn. You know, it didn't dawn on me that it was a swingers club. I just thought, Oh, we could watch people have sex, and maybe people could watch us like so I thought it was, like, super hot. So I remember catching myself still thinking about that. And I had never done anything really super naughty at that point. I was pretty straight laced vanilla, you know, pretty normal type of person when it came to sex that just stuck with me. And I can remember bringing it up to him like, that sounded really cool, and that's all it took. He was like, she's in you know? And so we started doing research, and we decided to plan, like, a little trip around that. So we actually went to this club. It was a swingers club I found. Only figured it out that it was the swingers club, which I was fine with it. We had talked we didn't know anything about boundaries or rules or anything, but we did talk about the fact that if one of us was uncomfortable, we would leave. So we go, and I loved it. I thought it was like a super sexy atmosphere. Everyone was respectful, but he was very uncomfortable. So we ended up leaving, and we never talked about it, really. We never did anything. We were never Swingers, nothing. But it just kind of like I stored it in the back of my mind as something that I thought was like a super hot experience. And then him and I ended up breaking up, you know, months later for other reasons. And so I was single, and I was like, you know, let me, let me look into that. And so I started doing research. Figured out you could be a single person in the lifestyle. And so that's what I did. And I was a single female in the lifestyle, which is called a unicorn. So I was pretty sought after. A lot of people are looking for a single female to join, like the husband and wife couple. So I was pretty successful at it. It was a lot of fun. Do you want to tell how you met or how you got lost out, and then we'll share how we
Dan 11:07
met? Yeah. So a very similar story for me is I was in a married in a monogamous relationship for 13 years, and when my marriage, you know, dissolved, I was kind of broken on the whole idea of monogamy, on the whole idea of marriage. And I had gotten married right out of high school, so I kind of also turned into a big slut a little bit, you know, I was exploring my sexuality and all the things I hadn't done over the years. And through that, I was, actually was dating a girl, and in conversation with her, her and her ex husband were Swingers, were in the lifestyle, and so just in conversation, she was like, Would you Would that be something you would be into, like sharing and group sex and things like that. And I'm like, fuck yeah. Like, that sounds hot to me. And so she kind of showed me the websites, and we actually met a few couples, and we did a little bit, not too much, but we explored a little bit into it. Me and her broke up for reasons nothing to do with with the lifestyle, but again, like Lacey, it stuck with me. And so I went on the website and change the account from a couple's account to a single account. And then me as a single male, I started engaging with couples myself. And then one day, I was traveling for work, and this, this cute single female messaged me on this website. And I was like, There's no way this is real. There's no way this beautiful girl is messaging me on a swinger website, and then later that night, she ended up showing up at my hotel room. And here we are, what, six, seven years later, or something, and we've been pretty much inseparable
Nick VinZant 12:32
since, in general, like, were you both pretty sexual people to begin with? Or was this like, no, it, it's just this thing, and that's that gets me going, I
Lacy 12:40
always enjoyed sex, but I was never, like, super sexual by any means. I mean, I would say just average, depending on who I, you know, I I was married, and, you know, we had normal, married people sex, and then, you know, I dated outside, you know, once I got divorced, but there were, I was never with anyone that we just had this like crazy amount of sex or anything like that, was pretty average. I
Dan 13:05
was always pretty sexual. And to the point in I almost felt weird because of it, you know, like it made me like I had fantasies, you know, like group sex and things like that. And I always felt like I'm not supposed to have these fantasies, like there must be something wrong with me. And so when I met a partner that was open to those ideas and in kind of loved and supported me and was willing to try all these things, or actually had already been trying all those things, it kind of like opened up a whole new world to me and and, you know, we talk about it a lot, it's the first time I've been in relationship where I felt like I can truly be my authentic self, like I can tell Lacey any fantasy I have, I could tell her any desire I have, and she might be like, well, that's a little weird, but like, I love you, and I'm here for it, and if you want to try it, let's do it, you know. I mean, and that's such a rewarding thing, you know? I mean, and I didn't think that was possible. I think I always thought, like, you know, you were gonna you had to hold some part of yourself back from your partner. Um, but in this relationship, I really don't feel like I have to do that at all. I didn't
Lacy 14:09
even realize I was holding parts of myself back, you know. I just thought I was, you know, you just don't talk about stuff like that, you know, you see, like, a hot person walking down the street, you don't say, you don't look at your partner and go, like, Oh, he's hot. I'd like to you know that just not stuff that you do. So once you realize that you can, like, just say and be and do all the things that you're actually feeling, it's, it's super rewarding. Do
Nick VinZant 14:33
people repress it at all? Do you find people kind of repressed to come into this lifestyle?
Dan 14:40
Yeah. Definitely. I mean, we've met preachers daughters and we've met preachers, you know, yeah, there's all kinds of people in this lifestyle, and some of them are from probably a repressed upbringing, but some of them are from completely normal upbringing with with parents that are liberal, and you let them do whatever they want. I think you meet all kinds of people. Um. Yeah, but I think it is one of the draws to this, this community or this lifestyle, is the fact that you can be in in a in a community with people and be your authentic self and without judgment.
Nick VinZant 15:13
Can you have, I'll use this word for lack of a better one. Can you have a normal relationship, slash life like the wife and kids and picket fence and all that kind of we have all
Lacy 15:23
of those things
Nick VinZant 15:24
you can have, like it can be, I guess, for me, from the outside, right? Like looking at it as somebody that that it's not my thing, right? Find that it's yours, but it's not mine. Like, I wouldn't see, I can't see how that would work for me, but you can make it work for other Yeah.
Lacy 15:39
Well, honestly, we are public now, but most swingers are not public. Your next door neighbor or your kid's teacher is more than likely a swinger. You would be shocked at the amount of people, nurses, doctors, teachers, please, firefighters, like so many people, are Swingers, and no one in their life has any idea they are 100% mom and dad at home, they do everything like any other normal parent would, or or daughter, or however, teacher, but every so often, they slip away and nobody knows what they're doing. Yeah,
Dan 16:13
it's an estimated 5% of the US population engaged as a non monogamy. So something like 10 million people in America are actively engaging in this, this lifestyle.
Nick VinZant 16:24
Yeah, that's a decent amount of people, right? This, would you say it's more popular?
Lacy 16:29
I think that most people realize, yes. I mean, even personally, when we when everyone found out we were Swingers, people came out of the woodwork that I knew, that I would have never guessed that I was a swinger, but I had no idea that they were Swingers, like family members. I mean, like, it's insane the amount of people that would start they felt comfortable to reach out, because they knew they knew our secret, you know, so they felt comfortable telling us. But yeah, I think, I think the average person would be shocked to know who all is actually Swingers, or at least has tried it at some point. Yeah, and
Dan 17:05
it's hard to say exactly what the catalyst is, but I would really say somewhere around covid, you really started seeing more and more people open up about it. I know, if we look at events, most of the people that we know are that are event organizers and do event groups. They're reporting record numbers of attendees attending these events and things like that. I think part of it's, you know, covid and people were at home and probably just Googling and looking up stuff. I think part of it's social media, you know, now that people, more and more people are talking about it and being open about it, I think that kind of makes more and more people feel comfortable with it, or, you know, more comfortable exploring it, but it's a lot. I mean, there's a lot of people out there that are either curious about this or are actively engaging in it.
Nick VinZant 17:48
Um, are you ready for some harder slash, listener submitted questions, sure. How can you keep this from causing issues in a relationship, like, because we talked about in the idea of, like, okay, sometimes this kind of goes bad. How do you keep it from going bad?
Lacy 18:03
So first thing is, you have to communicate every step of the way, and then once you're done communicating, you have to communicate more. And I think that is a huge thing that I don't think people realize that you're literally talking about everything, and if you're not willing to talk about everything, then it's probably never gonna work at all. But we also have super clear boundaries, so we know exactly what we can do, what we can't do, we so if anything is stepped over those, then that is a huge that's a huge issue. So we do all of those things to protect our heart, our feelings, our relationship, what else? No,
Dan 18:43
that's, that's it. I mean overly communicating and then setting clear rules and boundaries, I think, is the biggest thing. And even that can get great, right? Because you might set a boundary of, like, no texting somebody of the opposite sex outside of a group chat, right? And that's, that's actually one of our rules and boundaries. But sometimes guys have texted her to try to, like, set up a surprise birthday thing for me, right? So it's like, it's still great. All these rules are gray. So, you know, communicating, being open, being honest. You know, sometimes guys will text her on the side and say, you know, when Dan's not in town for work, what are you doing? Like, what are you what are you up to? When that happens. The first thing she does is come to me and says, you know, Bob, this guy, John, or whoever, you know, he texted me, and this is what he said. Here it is, right? And you know, sometimes, you know, so sometimes we have to address that, sometimes we don't address it. It just depends on the situation. But me and Lacey are on the same page with everything. And if, if somebody comes along and they think that they're gonna sneak one in, or, you know, talk to one of us and the other one's not gonna find out, like they're this. We are an iron wall together in everything, and you really have to have that to protect your your primary relationship.
Lacy 19:52
We also don't play separately. We do everything together. Some couples play separately, and that works for them, but for us. We feel like it protects our relationships when we're together. Not only do I like seeing him engage with other women, because it turns me on, it's also nice to know like if I'm seeing what's happening, my imagination is not getting the best of me. I'm not at home twiddling my thumbs thinking that they're getting married and running away together. You know, if I'm there and watching it and engaging, that just kind of eliminates those feelings.
Nick VinZant 20:27
This is kind of a lighter one, but it might be funny, so I have to ask it to you, do you ever critique each other's sex in the sense that, like, Hey, Dan, you really good form the other day,
Lacy 20:41
I think so, I
Dan 20:41
think we compliment each other. Or we'd be like, it was really hot when he folded you up, like a pretzel,
Lacy 20:46
yeah. Or I'm like, that you were too much, like, you got to chill out. That was like, You went too hard with her, you know, like, or give it two or more.
Dan 20:58
So yeah. And I guess in some ways, we do that. It could be complimentary. It could be,
Lacy 21:02
I'm usually not, not so much critique. Yeah, I'm not like, you did a shitty job when you bit her over like that. Like, not, we don't do that, but we definitely, well, talking about the experience is half the fun, like going back and, like engaging back together and then talking about, like, that's one of my favorite parts after swinging. Yeah,
Dan 21:24
it probably sounds crazy to people, but literally, we will go back and for the next week, dirty talk about, Oh, was it hot? Did his cock feel good inside you? Like, oh, was her pussy tight? Like we I don't know if I can say those things on your podcast, but those are the type of conversations you lay down that we have, um, regularly, and it's a turn on for us. It's hot for us, and
Lacy 21:42
but for somebody that's never swung, that's probably like mind blowing. Could you imagine,
Nick VinZant 21:49
to me, that sounds like what it's high? And
Dan 21:53
so there's a concept they call Compersion, which is kind of the opposite of jealousy, and it's when you get pleasure from seeing your partner be pleasured. And really the only way I can describe that is, if you've ever done something like nice for your wife, like, you know, cooked her a nice meal, or something like that, and you give it to her, and you see like, the joy and happiness in her face. And when you see her happy, it makes you happy. This is kind of a similar thing. Is when I know Lacey's getting pleasure and being pleasured. It brings me pleasure, but you, you kind of, you have to get rid of the jealousy and insecurities to get to that place. But when you can get there, it really is a beautiful thing. And it's you
Lacy 22:32
don't always get there the first time, you know, like, the first time, you might be like, Okay, that was hot, and I enjoyed it.
Dan 22:38
I'm not sure how I feel. I liked it, but I'm I, yeah, I feel tingly, but I'm not sure if this is okay.
Lacy 22:44
Yeah, that's more what you're gonna feel the first. You don't, I think, like, once you you do it, and then you're like, Okay, we still love each other, we still have good sex. Like, we we're okay, right? We're okay. And then, like, you do it again, you're like, No, we're really okay. And when you
Dan 22:58
do it once, and then you have hot sex for the next, like, three weeks, yeah, and you're like, oh, there's something here, yeah.
Nick VinZant 23:04
Does it make it does that? I mean, does it make your added average run in, though, at the home,
Lacy 23:09
but not at all.
Dan 23:10
Well, in the funny, we've talked about this a lot before, too, and people ask us that a lot, and I don't think it's fair to compare Wednesday night sex after we get home from work and we're tired and the kids have been a pain in the ass. That's not fair to compare that to an orgy with 10 hot couples in a public playroom, right? Like you're comparing playing catch in your backyard to, like, playing in the Super Bowl, you know? I mean, like, they're not the same thing. And I think, yeah, you have to recognize that. You have to say, like, it's okay if we just have normal Wednesday night sex because we're horny. Like, that's okay. We don't always have to be swinging from the rafters and having 10 people and doing all these dirty things. And I enjoy that Wednesday night sex with me and her connecting just as much, and sometimes more than I enjoy the group orgies with a bunch of beautiful people. It's just they're not the same thing. And I think you have to realize that,
Nick VinZant 24:03
is there an average age, like, is there an age in life where people generally kind of tend to participate this? And it is across the board,
Lacy 24:10
I definitely think 30s, 40s is probably going to be your average age that you see at, okay, well, somewhere 30s, for late 30s, not early 30s. So yeah, we're, we're 40 years old, and I say we're probably the average age. But depending on where you go, some parties or some clubs will skew younger. Some will definitely have an older feel.
Nick VinZant 24:34
Could, could, like, a person who's not a swinger, could I just, like, show up and just walk around? Yeah, I think people, I would be interested in just seeing what's going
Lacy 24:42
on. That's how I was when that my guy that I was dating with said that, honestly, I think people think that, like, you walk into a swingers club and you're like, Get naked, you got to start fucking. That's not the case at all. Honestly, is really very similar to like, a regular club or a regular party,
Dan 24:59
like these one. Your clubs, you can go, you can dance, you can dress up, you can have fun. There is zero obligation to have sex, but there is, in most of the clubs, not even all of them have a place where you can go have sex. But in a lot of clubs, there's these back rooms where if you'd like to go, you can go back there, and there's going to be people having sex, but
Lacy 25:15
you do not have to go. And you can go and not engage. You could go and just sit and watch, as long as you're not being like a weirdo, you know, you can sit and watch and just, you know, enjoy the scenery or like, let's say, husband and wife. You're not Swingers, but you enjoy having sex in rooms with other people, having sex like you could engage with just your partner in a room with other people, no one will touch you unless you give them permission to touch you. And I think that's a huge misconception about swinging. I think people think that one we hook up with just about everybody, that it's a free for all, that everybody just jumps in the bed and it's just dicks and boobs and all the things flying. And that's not the case at all. It's all about consent. It's all about respect. And sometimes we go, we don't have sex with anybody. Sometimes we go, we have sex with six people. You just, it kind of just depends,
Nick VinZant 26:13
yeah, like, how often in a month or in a week or whatever? Like, How often would you say that you generally swing roughly
Lacy 26:19
once a month is about what we always say,
Nick VinZant 26:23
can you just find these online? Yeah, does it have to be secretive? No, they're
Lacy 26:26
not like, I
Nick VinZant 26:27
feel like there's got to be a password or something. People like, what
Lacy 26:30
do we got to do to get in? It's not like
Dan 26:32
people will email us and be like, how do I get into this? Like, what? Like, like, vet me in, like,
Lacy 26:37
and there's not like, a secret handshake. Like, honestly, you can Google, you know, you can type in swingers club, and pretty much any match, like, large metropolitan city is going to have some type of swingers club, and it's typically, could be right around the corner, and a lot of people don't even know, unless you live in, like, the Bible Belt, and everybody tells everybody
Nick VinZant 26:57
I'm googling right now, Like, I live in Seattle, oh yeah,
Lacy 27:00
oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But most cities will have, oh yeah. They're everywhere, yeah. And then they also have groups that do, like, hotel takeover. So they will essentially rent out an entire hotel and then resell the rooms to Swingers, and then, like, maybe have the the club party in the ballroom, and then if you want to engage with another couple, you take them back to your room. So there is 100% and like anybody can go on their website, as long as you meet their criteria. Because, like some, you know, sometimes it's age, sometimes you have to have a partner to go. You know, every Club's a little different. And as long as you meet that, you buy a ticket and you just show up, like, it's not, like, you don't have to, like, do all this fancy stuff to get in. You just go and you're you, just as long as you're respectful and you follow the rules you're allowed to be there. Yeah, there's
Dan 27:52
some big events. I don't think people realize, you know, naughty in New Orleans, which is one of the larger lifestyle kind of conventions, every year, has about 3000 people that are in attendance. Um, there's, there's swinger cruise ship takeovers where, you know, they take over some of the large cruise ships. Um, those can be anywhere from 3000 people to, I think the big ship has like, 6000 people on it. Um, we host parties at different resorts in different places across the country. Um, so a typical club night, there might be anywhere from 200 to 567, 800 people at a club in a night, um, you know, an event down at like secrets, which is a resort that, you know, usually close to 1000 people will show up to that.
Lacy 28:29
They also have resorts outside of the country that you can go to and, like, you can tell your friends you're going to an all inclusive resort in Mexico, and you show up and it's swingers resort. They have a Jamaica, I mean, clothing option. You can walk around nude. You can have sex wherever you want.
Nick VinZant 28:48
This one says, How can you spot a swinger in the wild? And I think what they mean by that is like, Oh, how can you tell, like, can you look at a couple walking past? We've
Dan 28:56
had several tick tock viral tick tocks off of playing off of, Oh, okay.
Lacy 29:00
So, okay, first of all, an upside down pineapple is, like the unofficial, official swinger symbol. So if you see a pineapple and it's flipped upside down, either they're joking with you or they're actually Swingers, that is the first thing. But we always joke like, if the Weiss tan and has fake boobs and they have like, a hot tub, and they have hot friends that they hang out with all the time. They're typically Swingers, stuff like that. But truth be told, is again, another misconception when we're like normal, like, if I'm running to Walmart or Target or whatever, I'm just going to target in Walmart. I'm not in there looking for potential Swingers, you know, I'm just in there to get my groceries and get out of there and go home. But people think that when we're out in, like, real life, that we are, like, we got to find a couple today, because we just really got to fuck somebody. You know, they think they. People think that we're just out there looking for someone to have sex with, or, like, if we go to, like, a school function, we're going to sleep with someone's. Husband because we're swingers. Truth be told, I don't want your husband. I might want you, but I definitely don't want your husband, you know, like and also, we're not going to cross those lines. We look for swingers at swingers clubs. We look for swingers at swinger events, like our website. On swinger websites, we're not going to a normal bar in hopes to meet another swinger couple to take home. If it's not a swinger bar, we're not going there to find swingers.
Nick VinZant 30:28
Why a pineapple? But to me, just Well,
Lacy 30:33
yeah, you're not allowed to do this. But hospitality. A pineapple is a symbol for hospitality. Flip it over.
Dan 30:41
It goes back. So the pineapple is the symbol of hospitality, because it used to be super expensive, because you used to have to get on a sailboat and, like, you know, sail to somewhere in the Caribbean to get a pineapple, and then pick it and then sail it back to, like, back in like, early America, only rich people had pineapples and to share. Like, when people, like guests, came to your house, if you fed them pineapples, that was like you were being very, very hospitable, because you were giving them something that's pricey, right? And so that's why swingers kind of have adopted this, that if I'm going to share you my wife with you, this is probably the most valuable thing to me, right? Is my wife. And so if I'm willing to share her with you, that's that's a very hospitable thing for me to do, slightly,
Nick VinZant 31:21
well, not slightly, but a more serious one, like D but do you feel like anything has been lost by not just having a completely monogamous relationship? No, I
Lacy 31:33
think the opposite, so much
Dan 31:34
has been gained. Yeah, I can't imagine going back. It's like, once you open Pandora's box, there's no way to put it well,
Lacy 31:43
like, and even if we have like, time off, like, even if we are home for, you know, a couple of weeks or we don't, it's almost like I'm itching for some naughty fun. And it's not even the actual sex that I'm like, it's just like, it's like, being flirty. And I don't know, how do I describe that? Yeah,
Dan 32:05
no, I don't, I don't know either. It's definitely, it's a thing.
Lacy 32:08
It's like, it's not even, yeah, it's the build up. I just want to, like, feel cute and feel wanted. And that part is, I don't know, it gives you like, you get excited, you get like, almost giddy. It's kind of like when you're dating someone new, you know that feeling you get in the very beginning, it's like, you get that, but you get it, but you're doing it together. Like you both feel that way. There's
Dan 32:32
literally, like, I'll walk out of the bathroom sometimes and she'd be like, You need to go change your shirt. That's not sexy enough, yeah. Like, I don't think Emily's gonna like that. Like, go put a different shirt on, right? And I'll do the same thing. I'm like, you know, Lacey. Like, it's
Lacy 32:44
like, we're helping up a little bit. Like, take
Dan 32:45
your panties off. You don't need to wear panties. Take them off. Go put them away. It's
Lacy 32:49
like, fun. It's in it's like, a build up together.
Nick VinZant 32:52
Are there hot spots in the United States? Like, oh, that's a big swing or hot spot? Yeah?
Lacy 32:56
Atlanta, uh, Florida, Florida, yeah, a lot of Florida, the
Dan 33:02
villages. I don't know if you've heard about the villages, but it's one of the villages in the country, yeah,
Lacy 33:07
um, yeah, Florida. Atlanta is really big. Texas. It seems like there's a lot of people from Texas. It definitely seems like the South, for sure, it has, which is hilarious, because the Bible Belt and conservative infrastructure.
Dan 33:20
So you would think, like New York City or somewhere like that, would have a ton of clubs. And honestly, there's not as many as you would think. There are some, but not as many you would think there'd be a bunch in a whole bustling community. But you know, most of our friends that live up in the Northeast come down here to the south the party and come to events. So it is interesting that you would think in the conservative south, that, you know, there would be less of that. It seems to be the most, yeah,
Lacy 33:46
because there are hiding, like, the harder you repress. Pops up somewhere else, right?
Nick VinZant 33:50
Like, that's that seems is, is this a uniquely American thing in any way? No,
Dan 33:57
no, it's, there's clubs, events you can go to Europe. They're probably more, probably more open about it's probably a little less taboo for them. They
Lacy 34:04
seem, it seems much more normal to them, like America makes it taboo. That's
Nick VinZant 34:12
pretty much all the questions we got, except for this last one. So tell me, like, why'd you decide to become advocates for this? Tell me a little bit about that. In the swing nation podcast, we
Lacy 34:19
needed, like, a sexy outlet, because we, we were Swingers, you know, but we do everything together. So he's gone. We're not swinging right now, but we needed some sort of sexy outlet. So I made an only Vance. We thought it'd be hot, like, not really to make money, but to, like, have guys, like, compliment me and talk to me and like, be some videos and pictures and him, be able to log in and like, see that interaction. You know, it's just like a way for us to still be sexy, but not actually engage with other people. And the next thing I know, we, you know, we have a ton of followers, and it was just this. This huge thing. And I would go tick tock live, and I would answer questions, just like we did here. People started saying, You need to make a podcast where you just answer all of these questions that people have. And Dan was home at the time. He had gotten home from his deployment, and he was like, Okay, let's do it. And so he bottled equipment, researched how to do a podcast, and we started on the podcast, and it became super successful very quickly, yeah,
Dan 35:26
so now it's one of the number one you know, swinger lifestyle podcasts out there when, you know, a few million downloads later, a couple years later, now we have a business where we host swinger events across the country. We have the podcast. We do this full time. I retired from the military. Lacey's left her job, and this is what what we do. And the more we've gotten involved in the community, the more we've seen needs for for advocacy, and, you know, people really speaking out. So we've actually got involved with some nonprofits and stuff like that. And there's, there's nonprofit called Open love.org and they're starting to push anti discrimination laws in different cities across the country. You know, because we know people within the community that have gotten fired. You know, when people find out that they're they're public, we know people in the community that their ex spouses try to take their kids away and things like that, when they find out that they're swingers. And so, you know, now there's a lot of advocacy being done, and there's anti discrimination laws being passed, and it's really become quite just this amazing thing. And it's, it's, it's fun to see, and we love it. And it's, I think, you know, anything, when you make it a job, it can be stressful. And sometimes I think there's days like, What the fuck are we doing? But then at the end of the day, it's like, we're throwing parties that bring people joy for a living. Like, you know, I'm not, not in Afghanistan getting shot at anymore. This is way, way, way better, and so I don't think we're going anywhere for a while.
Nick VinZant 36:50
I want to thank Dan and Lacey so much for joining us. If you want to connect with them, we have linked to them on our social media sites. We're profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included their information in the episode description. And if you want to see more of this interview, the YouTube version will be live on August 15, at 12:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of the show. Do you know somebody that if they suddenly turn into an alien and got picked up by a spaceship, you wouldn't be that surprised either.
John Shull 37:30
There's multiple people I know. I wouldn't be surprised if half of the people that I know turned out to be aliens. To be honest,
Nick VinZant 37:39
I can think of at least three to four people that I know in real life that if they turned out to be aliens, I wouldn't be totally shocked. And I can think of a number of celebrities that if they got picked up and turned out to be aliens, I wouldn't be completely shocked either.
John Shull 37:57
I was just reading a story about two guys in the 70s that claimed that they were abducted by aliens, and like nobody believed them, but they they until their dying day, they claim they were abducted by aliens and had a thorough exam done to them.
Nick VinZant 38:15
Do you think if you were abducted by aliens? Do you think that you would be able to convince anybody. No, but have you ever had something happen to you that you couldn't convince anybody actually happened
John Shull 38:30
only one time, and I don't even know if I believe myself anymore, the older I get, but I could have sworn I saw that sounds crazy, even saying it, I don't know a ghost, an angel, something at some point in my life, you know. And who knows what it could have been. It could have just been somebody walking fast. It could have been just my imagination. I have no idea
Nick VinZant 38:55
where did this happen? Detail,
John Shull 39:00
no, I mean, I was younger. I we were walking to her car. We were at a K Mart, and we were walking to her car. And, you know, you're just a kid, but I remember this like it, like it was so vividly. For some reason, I couldn't stop staring at this man. And we I stared at him. He walked by me. I turned around probably three seconds later, and it was, you know, one of the long grocery aisle line or lanes, and he was gone. Like, just gone. He could have darted in between cars, you know, but, you know, when you're a young person or whatever, like, Oh, did he just disappear? Did he, like, smile at me? Was that an angel? Blah, blah, blah. Like, I have no idea, man, but I've told that would be, I've told that story to several people, and they're like, Yeah, you're full of shit. Like, it's probably some homeless guy that passed out and fell in between cars or something, or, you know, like, so, yeah, that's about the only one that I can think of. Probably your
Nick VinZant 39:55
imagination, dude. I think that there's definitely times where there's a couple of things. That I have dreamt or have happened in real life, but I'm not sure if it was a dream or if it actually happened.
John Shull 40:08
I mean, I'm all about Deja Vu and dreams and things like that. I think that's, I think that's just your memory or your mind projecting, kind of, you know, your feelings, and then when they happen in the moment your mind and your I don't know, outer self Connect. I'm all about it. I'm all about deja vu. I get that all the time, hmm.
Nick VinZant 40:29
I don't really believe in any kind of supernatural stuff personally, but I do have a firm belief that just because it's happening in your head doesn't mean it's real, like that's everything kind of happens in your head. If you think about it like everything is going on in your head.
John Shull 40:43
I mean, when you really this is a deeper conversation than you and I could ever possibly have, but when you really get down to it, our brains are probably the most part, most powerful thing on the face of the earth. I mean, what your brain can do is is incredible.
Nick VinZant 41:02
I've always been fascinated by the idea that you're essentially just complete. You're essentially, like your whole body is just a puppet for your brain, like it's just this thing in your head controlling everything. I mean, like, it's not like you've got, like, it's just moving you around. You're basically just a puppet for your brain. You ever
John Shull 41:19
seen that the Men in Black movies where it's like the little alien inside of the human skull, and it's just this little alien that's controlling his entire body, like, that's what I feel like we have right now. That's essentially what we are. All right? Well, something I never mess up our shout outs. So here we go. Jordan Rivera, Sherry Timmons, Brian Coleman, Valerie delotti, Heidi Vance, Christina, Neil, Eric Duong, Penny Arneson, Mary Fowler, Mark Macchio and Zoe Reyes, all right, well, let's, let's talk about some current events topics here. This one is literally fresh off the presses. Noah Lyle, if you're familiar with him, hopefully you already he lost the 200 meter. Actually, he came in third place. That's not the reason I bring it up. The reason I bring it up is he's blaming his his his loss. He was he was favored to win. He once said that the 200 meter race to him was his wife, because he was so dominant in the race. Well, he got a bronze in the 2024, Olympics. So I guess your wife left you for a faster man. It is what it is, regardless. The reason he lost, he says, is because he has covid, and he tested positive for covid, and he still ran with covid, and that's why he's saying he lost.
Nick VinZant 42:48
Yeah, we have kind of it's crazy to me looking back on it, how big and how pervasive and how game changing for everything in society that was, and then it's just over. That's the weirdest thing about life. It's like, this thing is the absolute most important thing in the world, and then it's just over. It's
John Shull 43:10
still infecting people. You're still getting sick, but the mindset has changed, just a 180
Nick VinZant 43:17
Yeah, it's completely switched. That's why that's that's like, probably, to me, at least one of the first instances of that that I've heard of, and I don't really know how to feel about it, because on one hand, it's like, Hey, man, you shouldn't have been competing. Like, what were you doing there? You shouldn't have been there. And then on the other side, it's like, well, we are kind of moving past that. And it does seem like, now that's a little bit like the flu. And people wouldn't really bat that much of an eye if he said, like, oh, I have the flu. I'm sick, right? So he's kind of like, I don't know. I probably wouldn't have said that. If I was him. I would have kept that particular like, oh, I wasn't feeling well, because there's, there definitely is still a reaction to, like, wait a minute, if
John Shull 44:00
you're not familiar with him, he is a very adventurous, outspoken, charismatic person.
Nick VinZant 44:09
I guess I do kind of subscribe to the theory that if everybody knows what time it is, then whatever time it is is okay. Like, if other people knew it and they were okay with it, and that was what everybody was doing. Then, all right, like, the game is the game.
John Shull 44:23
And then my, my last thought on this was, if you were one of the six people that finished behind him without covid, you probably should just retire from racing. Then,
Nick VinZant 44:33
yeah, like, it's that big, but that's crazy to me. When you looked at, I don't know if you've seen that 100 meter, but basically, like, you really couldn't tell who won that how close you have all of these people, the eight best people in the world, and they're that close to each other, like he lost by an eyelash or won by an eyelash over the other guy. Well,
John Shull 44:55
let's go from covid to fast food. Do. Have you? Have you had fast food lately?
Nick VinZant 45:01
No, I've never been a big fast food eater.
John Shull 45:05
I took my kids to McDonald's the other night because it was a long night. It was like 930 we've been working out in the yard all day, doing stuff for two Happy Meals and a Big Mac just the sandwich. It was $16 this
Nick VinZant 45:23
is going to get me fired up. This is going to get me fired up because it is like we are potentially now looking at the possibility of a recession because all of these companies raised all of their prices with really no reason. I think what this is my dime store theory. I think that when covid hit, we were no longer having to commute to work. We were saving money because there wasn't a lot of money to be spending on, and the government was helping out, like people had more money. And so all these companies raised all of their prices. Well, now we're going back to work, and now we're doing all of those things, and we can't afford those prices anymore, and now all those companies are whining about it, like, well, people aren't shopping. People aren't buying this, yeah, because you made everything unaffordable. So essentially, greed, just like, crashes the whole system. Like, if you just would have been happy with $5 million a year instead of five, $6 million all of us would be fine, like we never learned this economic lesson that greed just crushes us every single time because somebody's got to go too far, like they never have an idea of what enough is. Enough
John Shull 46:34
Well, and that's, you know, that's the thing is, you know, luckily, you know, I am in the position where I can afford that, but there are many people who can't, and it just got me thinking. And I know it's a tale as old as time, but it's like, how do these companies stay afloat? You know, by raising the prices for a product that probably only costs. You know, a Big Mac is probably what, $2 and they sell it for 599 making a $4 profit. I mean, come on,
Nick VinZant 47:04
because everything is just geared towards the investor, right? Like a company has to show endless growth, or the investors aren't happy about it, and that's all we do. Like, making a ton of money isn't good enough. You have to make money for the stock market, and if you don't do that, it doesn't matter, and we just screw ourselves over time and time again, like we do not learn our lesson.
John Shull 47:28
All right? Well, back to back to the Olympics, um, I saw a couple of, uh, well, a guy and a gal fall during the hurdles competition, and that looks pretty brutal, and I don't really have any other questions other than I don't think I could ever do a hurdle. I will never try to do a hurdle. But I also think falling or tripping while doing a hurdle would be one of the more painful things that can happen to you.
Nick VinZant 47:55
I have unique insight into this and that. I don't know if you know this or not, but you are talking to a person who, at one time, was the third fastest hurdler in the state of Kansas. I was at the state track meet. I got third in the 110 meter hurdles. I have no idea what time it was. It was one of those kind of things that's like, true, but not accurate. Like, you can make that claim, but if somebody really like it's, it's total bull BS, when you get right down to it, but it doesn't hurt that bad. I mean, it's just like falling down running. It's not like the hurdle really makes it that much worse. It just makes it more complicated.
John Shull 48:30
But I just feel like the thought of jumping and then getting caught in the air and just stopping immediately and fall. I mean, tracks, some of them are cushioned, right, or have, like, that layer of rubber or whatever. I wouldn't say that
Nick VinZant 48:42
they're cushioned, but there's a certain amount of give, yeah,
John Shull 48:46
like that. I just feel like the instant stopping and bam. And then one guy I watched what it was a steeple chafes, and then he's like, shielding in the fetal position, hopefully, hoping that he doesn't get stepped on. Like, it just looks brutal. The
Nick VinZant 49:02
steeplechase is an event that needs to deserves more credit. That's a fun race to watch, and something like that hurdle isn't like the other hurdles, like in the 110 or the 400 meter hurdles like that thing's not going anywhere. You hit the smaller hurdles, that thing's gonna knock down. It's probably not gonna be that bad, but you hit that thing, and it's more like hitting a road barrier, like, Oh, you're going down and you're probably going to get hurt.
John Shull 49:28
Let's see moving on here, because we're taking up enough time. Thought this was interesting. Cate Blanchett was on one of the late night talk shows, and she was asked a question, which opens to this, basically, what movie had you made the most money for that you've been in? And the talk show host said it has to be Lord of the Rings. And she laughed and said they didn't pay any of us anything for Lord of the Rings. So I don't know if she just has a bad agent, or if that actually happened, because I think Orlando Bloom. Got paid. Think Vigo mortson got paid. I just, I'm surprised that Kate Blanchet would come out, and she's defending it, saying that she has made nothing from the Lord of the Rings movie series.
Nick VinZant 50:12
I feel like that. Like, I get that, right, she didn't have a huge part in that. Not a huge part in that. Like, if you look at her screen time. I doubt it's very long compared to anybody else. So even though she's a big name, and that's a really famous movie, like, Yeah, you didn't do like, I know nothing about this, but I would assume that that's the kind of thing. Like, she probably shot that in a day or two. Like, I don't think it took that long, but, but, I
John Shull 50:40
mean, then that that's on her, right? That's on her agent to, mean, why are you having your client work for free, right? I mean, come on, now, I never
Nick VinZant 50:48
know how to handle those kind of things. Like, it goes back to the thing is, is, everybody knows what the game is, then you can't complain about the game. Like, okay, it's not this, it's not that, but you were a star and you had some poll, you could have said no, but at the same time, they could have just gotten somebody else. Those are, like, hard lines to walk, right? They kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
John Shull 51:11
I because say you pass it up, and then it goes to somebody else. And they are, you know, like we know Cate Blanchett was in Lord of the Rings, like she got the name recognition before and after that movie, but, yeah, didn't have it, you know, to who knows what would have happened.
Nick VinZant 51:27
Sometimes you gotta take a step backward, takes a couple steps forward. But I think that that's sometimes, like, right? Like, that's the opposite of what we're talking about with the stock market, where, like, sometimes, you know, you admit it's not everything has to be about money.
John Shull 51:41
I We are in a materialistic world that is for sure, where people value, seem to value possessions and the green stuff just over each other.
Nick VinZant 51:52
Yeah, more competitive. We're not all in this together, even though we should be like we could have everything would be so much easier in society if we all just work together, but like, that's just not how we do it. That needs
John Shull 52:05
to be the tag for all of us of this episode. We can all be successful if we work together.
Nick VinZant 52:11
But that's the crazy thing about it. I wonder how this is going to play out as we move forward in life. Is that we now at our point where we kind of have enough resources for everybody, maybe not water, because we're running out of that, but, like, we could all live a pretty good life if we wanted to, but somebody's always got to take more than their share.
John Shull 52:32
I mean, I mean, like, Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
Nick VinZant 52:37
That's crazy to me, how easily one person can ruin things for everybody. Okay, are you ready for our top five?
John Shull 52:42
I am. You know, you need more. No, no, I I'm ready. I'm just surprised because you had, I thought you had questioned if there was enough of this, of these, and there are plenty. So let's, let's do it.
Nick VinZant 52:55
Okay, so our top five is top five celebrities. You wonder what happened to like what happened to them. What's your who's your number five? So
John Shull 53:06
once again, there are so many. So I try to stay away from the childhood actors. There are a couple in here, but I tried not to include all child because you could just do childhood actors that you wonder where they where they went to. So my number five. And this might be a little high for him, but I was never a fan regardless. Jonathan Taylor, Thomas,
Nick VinZant 53:30
oh, I don't remember which kid from Home Improvement he was, but he they all disappeared.
John Shull 53:35
He was Randy, the middle child, I believe. Oh,
Nick VinZant 53:40
he was the one that seemed like he had the brightest future of the three.
John Shull 53:44
Yeah, and he did some Disney stuff after that. But then he just, and by the way, I didn't look up anybody, so I can't tell you, actually what they're doing. Now, hopefully all of these people are alive. But regardless, I have no idea what Jonathan Taylor Thomas is doing. Now,
Nick VinZant 53:58
I don't know what this guy's name is, but it's the main character from Starship Troopers, Casper,
John Shull 54:07
maybe, yeah, Casper Van Diem,
Nick VinZant 54:09
like, what happened? Like he seemed like he had a bright career, like he had the he seemed like he had the look, and then just nothing, I don't know, did he? Was he ever in another movie other than that one,
John Shull 54:20
yeah, he just, I actually am a big CVD fan and
Nick VinZant 54:28
first of all, if your initial you have his collectibles, do you have a base? Do you have a celebrity fucking trading card of him?
John Shull 54:34
I have a Starship Troopers action figure of him, actually.
Nick VinZant 54:39
So what happened to him, paying boy. So
John Shull 54:42
he, he, he, and, you know, he was part of that mid 90s action, you know, on the tail end of all the the true action heroes, the guys that would do their own stunts and blah, blah, blah, and he kind of just fizzled out. You know, he never hooked on to, you know, when Marvel and DC were coming up. He never got an opportunity there, and he just kind of did B movies, and you see him every now and again in a B or C movie, but yeah, he he will never have, he will, he will always be known as that guy, who's that guy from Starship Troopers, like, that's all they'll ever be known as. Everybody
Nick VinZant 55:18
knows he's the guy from Starship Troopers. Yeah, which is crazy to have that level of kind of there's lots of celebrities that you don't really know who they are, but who have had longer careers. It's interesting how things don't work. They just didn't work out for some people,
John Shull 55:32
yeah, I mean, but most of them made some money, and then it's like, what did they what happened to them after they made the money?
Nick VinZant 55:40
Yeah, I mean, if I made a whole bunch of money, I would just disappear,
John Shull 55:44
like my number four, who is Frankie Muniz,
Nick VinZant 55:49
oh Malcolm in the Middle guy.
John Shull 55:51
So I know what he's doing now, just because I'm a fan of racing, but I would expect nobody else to know, but he's actually trying to be a professional race car driver. But for, for, you know, I don't know how old he was when he got done with Malcolm in the Middle, but from that time of him being a pubescent boy to being a mid 20s man, have no idea what he did. Have no idea.
Nick VinZant 56:15
Would you say that he is on the level of like Ralph Macchio, the guy from karate kid who was somebody that was super famous at that age and then never translated as they grew up like it, just they didn't keep it with it. So
John Shull 56:33
I don't, I don't actually know how popular, I mean, I know how popular Malcolm in the Middle was, but I don't know if you can put it on that level with like, the Karate Kid in terms of cult fandom, oh, but probably not. But you know, he's definitely, you know, Frankie Mina is definitely in that conversation. But no, I would not, I would not say he's with Ralph Macchio.
Nick VinZant 56:53
Were you a better looking kid or a better looking adult,
John Shull 57:00
adult, for sure. I mean, I fucked up, I fucked up teeth as a kid, you know, wearing the triple X t shirts as a nine year old. I'll take what I look like as an adult. Yeah, still isn't great, by the way.
Nick VinZant 57:15
Oh, I have like, atopic dermatitis, which goes along with my asthma and my lack of sense of smell, right like so there's, there's my personality right there. But like, I had some problems as a kid, I would say that I'm much better looking as an adult than I was as a child.
John Shull 57:30
I feel like as an adult, we can control a little more what we look like, too. You know what I mean. But you want to lose weight, you can work to lose weight. If you want to gain weight, you can gain weight if you want to cut your hair. You know you know, you have a lot more control over your body than when you're a younger person. But
Nick VinZant 57:45
there is definitely some people that, like, they were cute kids or cute or like, good looking as younger people. We all went to high school with these people that were like, Oh, they were good looking in high school. And then, like, what happened?
John Shull 57:59
Yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna point anybody out, but I actually think a couple of them listen to this, this podcast.
Nick VinZant 58:06
Oh, well, you kind of just did insult them. They're gonna know that's where
John Shull 58:10
they are. Sorry. Anyways, what's your number four? One? Number
Nick VinZant 58:13
four is Emilio Estevez, or Estevez, ah, see, he just disappeared. He was big. He was in some big movies and then gone, yeah.
John Shull 58:22
I mean, you want to talk about like sibling rivalries. I mean, I'll never understand how Charlie got so much more career opportunities than Emilio, based just upon what I know about both of them.
Nick VinZant 58:39
But was one a better actor, or was one just more in the news? Because Charlie Sheen, obviously was more, kind of like the gossipy, whatever you want to call it, but I don't know. I feel like Emilio Estevez was. Emilio Estevez did play a character more Charlie Sheen was kind of just Charlie Sheen.
John Shull 59:01
Well, I think Emilio Estevez got into the writing and producing. That is where Charlie Sheen got hooked up with that one show Two and a Half Men and set his career forever. I don't
Nick VinZant 59:14
have anything else to say about that. What's your number three? Boom, my
John Shull 59:18
number three. See, I'm, it's tough. So I want to say Taylor Lautner from Twilight, but I'm not going to. Instead, I'm going to say Tara Reid.
Nick VinZant 59:33
Oh, she did just completely disappear.
John Shull 59:37
Yeah, she's, I mean, she was died. She died,
Nick VinZant 59:41
no, she tried like she's not somebody that disappeared, I think because they wanted to. I think things just didn't work out.
John Shull 59:48
Well. She was, you know, for our generation, men our age now, she was a heartthrob, right? She was in the American Pie. She was in a couple other those teen movies, you know, she was a, you know, I. A girl that all of us young boys, you know, thought about, and then she did a couple of horror movies. I think she was hooked up with Freddie Prince Jr. I don't actually know if that's true. And then you hear nothing else from her.
Nick VinZant 1:00:14
Yeah, I just didn't think it worked out same.
John Shull 1:00:17
I kind of put her, I kind of put her in like the the nev Campbell type group, and nev Campbell had a pretty successful career, but, like, after 2007 you didn't really hear from her till lately,
Nick VinZant 1:00:34
you could say that I'm going to miss Miss mess up their names because I'm not entirely sure of them, but you could say that about a lot of those kind of people in that age. Like there was nev Campbell, Tara Reid, and then the singer from aerosmith's daughter, and they all were kind of known, and then just gone live. Tyler, yep, right. And then just disappeared. Like, what they don't think they did anything again,
John Shull 1:00:56
just help. Just gone. Man, wait, is it ever was That was my number three. Now it's your number three.
Nick VinZant 1:01:04
I kind of know where this person is, but I just wonder, like, what happened to them? Carrot Top? Like, what what happened and what happened, right? Like, what happened and what happened?
John Shull 1:01:19
I mean, that dude got hooked on steroids and thought he was gonna have a career resurgence, I feel, and never did. He was jacked, though. Yeah, he was. But, I mean, it didn't look natural, right? It didn't look anything close to natural.
Nick VinZant 1:01:34
Something was going on. There's, I'm not going to name names, because I don't think that you should really talk about people's appearance that much, although I just did talk about carrot tops appearance. But like, there's another celebrity right now who is very famous, who's kind of going through that you're like, What are you doing? Like, they suddenly start looking a lot different, and what are you doing?
John Shull 1:01:55
Hmm, okay, all right, I'm not picking up what you're putting down, but we won't put them out there. My number two is a twofer. We're staying in the females or with females, and it's a Eliza douche coup and Jennifer Love Hewitt. Oh,
Nick VinZant 1:02:13
I don't know which one the first one is.
John Shull 1:02:17
Well, I can tell you, I think, once again, every boy our age, except you had a crush on her, um, see if I can bring her up real fast, douche.
Nick VinZant 1:02:27
Yeah. She was one of those names like Eliza E L, she
John Shull 1:02:30
was in Buffy. I think she did some really shitty horror movies. Let's see. There she is. She's Albanian.
Nick VinZant 1:02:39
Oh, yeah, okay, I don't remember her.
John Shull 1:02:45
Well, some of us do. So that's my number two, Jennifer Love Hewitt, who I think became pretty successful as a business, as an entrepreneur, after acting and then obviously, Eliza Dushku. My
Nick VinZant 1:02:58
number two is Rick Moranis.
John Shull 1:03:01
See I I saw him on a list. I was like, Ah, I think he's still, I mean, yes, he disappeared from acting, but I think behind the scenes and in acting, he still did all kinds of stuff. He
Nick VinZant 1:03:12
left to take care of his children, essentially, like his wife unexpectedly passed away and he left. But that was, like, he just kind of was, boom, yeah. And he was, like, people liked him a lot. Nobody's got a bad thing to say about Rick Moranis.
John Shull 1:03:29
No, not at all. And he's kind of a small man, isn't he,
Nick VinZant 1:03:34
yeah, but apparently, okay, now you got to hear story time. So I used to work as a reporter, and I was working in Phoenix, Arizona when they had the Super Bowl, and when they have the Super Bowl, there's like the parade of celebrities. They all come in. Every single female celebrity that I saw was way taller and thinner than you would think, and every single male celebrity, and talking about, like movies and TV stars, was way smaller than you would think. So I'm five, eight and three quarters, as measured by USA life insurance, out of USA life insurance. And there were people that were supposedly like, 5758 and I towered over them. Like, if a celebrity says that they're five seven or five eight, that means they're like, five three.
John Shull 1:04:16
Okay, yeah, I mean, and if an actress looks skinny on film, she's gonna be even skinnier. In person, they were way taller,
Nick VinZant 1:04:24
way taller and thinner than I thought that they would be.
John Shull 1:04:28
So my number one, I feel like I have to, I have to say this, my number one would have been, would have been Brendan Fraser, but obviously he had that the whale movie had a comeback last year or whatever, and kind of researched his career. So my number one, which I think is going to be controversial, is Dan Aykroyd.
Nick VinZant 1:04:53
Oh yeah,
John Shull 1:04:55
because, go ahead,
Nick VinZant 1:04:58
he didn't go. Chevy Chase crazy, though, right? Like, Chevy Chase kind of disappeared. But it turns out he was pretty much like a huge jerk, and everybody hated him. Dan Aykroyd just disappeared.
John Shull 1:05:08
Yeah, I actually looked up to see what he did. So he's had some cameos right in the recent Ghostbusters, but he hasn't had like, a featured length movie role since the mid 90s, and he just took his money and he retired to Canada, and he's been raising as well. He raised his family, but he raised his family, and now he just lives in Canada, you know? I mean, arguably, he was part of some of the biggest franchises ever in history. Yeah, just just stopped, just just ended it.
Nick VinZant 1:05:37
I think that's really, honestly, one of the most important things you can learn in life is when enough is enough,
John Shull 1:05:44
it's it's, I actually learned that gambling, believe it or not, and I know that's kind of stupid
Nick VinZant 1:05:50
to tell you exactly how you learn it. Like, when you lose all your money, like, that's probably enough.
John Shull 1:05:55
I'm like, I could win $5 and if I lose $1 in the next 10, I'm done. I'm like, Yep, I'll take my $4 winnings, because I know if I keep going, I'm going to have zero.
Nick VinZant 1:06:03
Like, I think this is a little bit of a cop out, but I also consider this to be my number one. My number one is any celebrity that has gone super left or right wing all of a sudden or gone like hardcore anti vaxxers. Like, I just wonder what happened to like, what happened like, how did you suddenly have these beliefs or suddenly go in this direction? Were you always that way? Or Did something change? Like, I just wonder what happened to those people that, like, whoa, you went off the deep end, quick.
John Shull 1:06:40
Well, I mean, it's, I feel like most of those people that do that are celebrities who probably always felt that way, and when they see an outlet or somebody that they think they can latch on to, or whatever they do, it
Nick VinZant 1:06:53
to me that seems like you're burning the candle at both ends. Sure? Why did you decide that that would be a good idea to just Were you always like that? Or did you become like that? That's the what, that's what I wonder about, right? Do you have anybody in your honorable mention?
John Shull 1:07:07
I do. Polly shore,
Unknown Speaker 1:07:13
oh yeah.
Nick VinZant 1:07:14
He disappeared. Jamie
John Shull 1:07:16
Lynn Spears, Brittany's sister. Where did she go? Nobody knows
Nick VinZant 1:07:20
the game it cares either
John Shull 1:07:24
Taylor Lautner, who I kind of mentioned earlier, and then two childhood actors, Danny from The Shining Jack Nicholson son and Jake Lloyd Anakin Skywalker from Phantom of the menace.
Nick VinZant 1:07:37
Oh, he disappeared. And you know who else disappeared as Joffrey.
John Shull 1:07:43
Oh, yeah, yeah,
Nick VinZant 1:07:45
he was gone. He was good, yeah, he was, like, a good actor.
John Shull 1:07:50
He's a Gleason, though he's gonna have no problem ever getting acting roles. Oh, is that who he's related to? Yeah, I think his great grandfather, grandfather was Jackie Gleason,
Nick VinZant 1:08:02
all right, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps us out and let us know who are some celebrities that you just you just wonder what happened to them, either in terms of they just kind of disappeared, or they're still around, but aren't anybody that you recognize anymore. You.