Does size really matter? Height Researcher Dr. Louise Barrett studies how your height can impact everything from your career and health, to your romantic success and self-confidence. We talk the perfect height for women, why men obsess over height and why we used to be taller. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Best School Supplies.
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Interview with Height Researcher Dr. Louise Barrett
Nick VinZant 0:12
Welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant Coming up in this episode height, and school supplies.
Dr. Louise Barrett 0:20
So there are all different ways in which height can have this, this massive impact in our lives. So it affects this sort of It's a biological phenomena, but it also affects us psychologically. And socially and culturally, very early human fossils show much more robust and taller males than you see today. What these environmental effects on height do, they change the length of your legs. So you when you get when, when populations get taller is because their legs are getting longer.
Nick VinZant 0:52
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Dr. Louise Barrett 1:29
Well, I think I think it is important because we are upright, two legged mammals and height is one of the first things you notice about someone, you can't help it. And it affects how we treat other people. So there are sort of meat based preferences people like to the men, like women to be shorter than than they are women like men to be taller than they are. There are differences in how much you get paid. Often there's a sort of height to premium, there's a halo effect around height, taller people are more likely to be paid more taller men are more likely to be voted president. So there are all different ways in which height can have this, this massive impact in our lives. It affects this sort of It's a biological phenomena, but it also affects us psychologically, and socially. And culturally.
Nick VinZant 2:21
Is it hardwired into us like those reasons about being like, Okay, this is good nutrition, and this is good stock. So, right, right. Like, that makes sense to me, if we're going back 500 years, 1000 years, whatever, why is it still important to us? Now?
Dr. Louise Barrett 2:36
That's a very, that's a very good question. Okay. So the, I mean, I don't like that word. I don't like the term hardwired because I don't think anything is really hardwired in that way. There's always some flexibility, even when even with a tray that's like height, which does have a big genetic component. There's always environmental factors that matter. But, you know, in terms of something that we can't seem to get rid of, I think you're right, because the argument in other species is oh, well, larger males are more competitive against other males. So they can, they are going to win more fights, and they are going to be better quality, and females will prefer them for that reason, they're bigger and stronger. They can defend against predators more effectively, all those kinds of things that is not happening in your modern day office, or if it is, I have never been into those offices. I don't know where that might happen. But it's not happening on that sense. But clearly, there's something there that we are still in tapping into where we are, we are continuing to attribute those kinds of traits, and see taller men as more powerful in some way. Now, it might not be in terms of the fact that you might have a fight with them. But clearly, those kinds of we are sensitive to height, and we see taller heights as more powerful. And we record more respect to people who are tall that
Nick VinZant 4:00
I know this might be really kind of hard to answer, but I'm a numbers person, right? So if we put things on a scale of one to 10, one being the lowest 10 being the most important, like where is height on that scale, when we're choosing people to follow or choosing a mate? Like, where would you say it ranks in terms of importance?
Dr. Louise Barrett 4:21
It's probably it's probably about a four to five it's not it's it's it has some importance, but the reason why I'm kind of hedging there is if you ask people for their preferences, people, you know, people specify height people choose on the basis of height, they expressed strong preferences for particular heights. But if you look at actual partnerships, that those those preferences don't pan out in that way, you do not find such hard, you know, hard line preferences in actual couples, there is some associated meeting so the sorts of meetings when you If you pair up with someone who's very similar to you in various ways, all your preferences align. So you can, if you look at people's expressed preferences, there'll be a big difference in like, you know, the, the, the man will want to short a woman and the woman who wants to tall a man. But when you look at people who have paired up and you'd look at real life couples, those differences are much, much smaller. When we
Nick VinZant 5:22
kind of breaking down some of the aspects like that we've talked about when we look at careers, how does height affect somebody's career,
Dr. Louise Barrett 5:30
there is an effect, I wouldn't say it's like make or break. But certainly people who are taller people who were men, particularly who were taller, will tend to have hold higher positions in a organization and they will tend to be paid more, in the same way that good looking the same as like life is just not fair. So good looking people are also more like, like we should be paid be paid more, there's a there's an there's a premium on attractiveness, and there's a premium on height. And somehow we're thinking those people are, we are attributing the fact that they are tall, with some element of their competence somehow that might and that may not actually be true. There may be no link between those but somehow that's that, that perception is what influences how people are cheating in society.
Nick VinZant 6:21
Now, when we talk about like the differences in salary or differences in promotion, are we talking about little things like okay, if you're five, nine, you get paid this much. If you're 511, you get paid $50,000 more? Are we talking like big differences are kind of little differences. At the
Dr. Louise Barrett 6:36
end of the day, they probably work out to be quite small effects, which is I mean, you can you can there will be a difference you can detect it, he may well over the long term make a difference? And you may, you might, you know, you might speed up your promotion, but I don't think you could say there's a $50,000 difference between being, you know, two inches taller. But definitely, I think if you're, I think often what comes out as as well, in a lot of these things, when you look at them, it's actually kind of a prejudice against short people, shorter men particularly. So being it's not so much being very tall, that that matters, it's not being very short,
Nick VinZant 7:16
what would you say is the cut off? where somebody's like, Okay, if you're this size or smaller, you're going to start feeling the effects of this
Dr. Louise Barrett 7:24
at five foot four from
Nick VinZant 7:27
is it does it apply for a woman at all?
Dr. Louise Barrett 7:30
It's less, there's less variation in female height in many ways, right? So women are not necessarily you know, you don't get that sort of the same degree of difference between female height and male height. And you also have these things where women tend to be played less anyway, you know, there's there is, and that's a big, we won't want to go down that road, right. But there is this big argument about a gender gap in pay and that kind of thing. So it makes it harder to tease out these things. For women, but there's the the effects, and I think most people have studied these things in in men, because perceived that these perceptions of height seem to matter more to men than to
Nick VinZant 8:11
women. Why is there less height variation in women than men,
Dr. Louise Barrett 8:15
without going too much into the weeds, it's also true if you look at other primates as well, that there's more often more variation in males body size than than female. And it's because for females, mammals, putting energy into reproduction, right, if you are, you have to grow a whole baby in your body. And that, and the capacity to do that is to is related to your body size, and how tall you are and how wide your pelvis is, but but the benefits of getting much bigger, or much less, because that means you're putting effort into growth that you could put into production. So you, you trade off those two things, so you're more likely to begin reach sexual maturity and be ready to reproduce at a smaller size. And whereas for men, because there's this argument that what increases made success for male mammals and you know, you know, early humans, the, it's about being a bigger male, you're either more competitive against other males, you can find them more effectively or females are more likely to choose you. So then there's there's greater benefit for for males is putting more effort into growth.
Nick VinZant 9:34
No, I mean, we've kind of talked about stuff that seems to be like perceived, but is there any indication that like, no, actually tall people are tall people are better?
Dr. Louise Barrett 9:43
There's no There's I don't think psychologically, there's there's much evidence for that, but not you know, that I've come across, but there are there are health differences. So there are shorter people are often more likely to experience higher levels of like what they call all cause mortality. So your risk is higher, and taller people are more likely to you know, they are often have better health. But again, it's always like these things are always very complicated because there are you have lower risks of certain conditions. But if you're particularly tall, you might be there's some hint that you might be more at risk from certain kinds of cancers. And that argument there is just if you have a bigger body, you have more cells in your body, and there are just more cells that can kind of go, you know, go haywire. And that's what, which is what cancer is, it's like cell growth getting out of control. So if you're taller, you might have you might have just a greater chance of certain cancers. But otherwise, health wise, being taller is is associated with high levels of health. But I don't know of anything that about cognitive abilities. In that same way, so I think a lot of it is just perception.
Nick VinZant 11:05
I know we kind of hit on this a little bit, but I'll ask this slightly differently. Have we always been like this? Or did we kind of like, oh, we really started to ramp this up at a certain point, or it's like, yeah, we've pretty much always been like this, when we
Dr. Louise Barrett 11:19
were when you know, early, very early human fossils show much more robust and taller males than you see today. And that was associated with, you know, in order to hunt, large game, you need to be quite large and powerful. And then you see a decline in that as you move towards agriculture, and men and women become more similar in size, because now you're like, agriculture doesn't require as much upper body strength, you're like, if you're not having to throw a spear, and beat something to death. You don't need as much height and upper body strength as you do to like grow food. So I'm sure that there have been these these differences through time that there have been preferences for, for taller men, but they may have had more to do with physical capacity that might have been more important. I think today, you still see the preferences for height, but I don't think they tie into actual differences in capacity and behavior in the same way that they used to do. I think it like he was saying earlier, I think it's deception,
Nick VinZant 12:24
just to kind of clarify something. In the past, we used to be like men used to be bigger overall, or they just used to be bigger compared to women.
Dr. Louise Barrett 12:34
So the human the fossil record is very interesting, right. So you have Australopithecines which are from for say, like 3 million years ago, like, they were very ape like they're on the sheet. They're sort of human ancestors, human cousins. And then when you get to the to humans, as a, as a general, as a joke, as a genus as the, you know, Hamo, which is our species who belong to when you look at the evolution of species, Homo erectus, they're much much taller than the astropay the seeds, right? So you see, they become people, we become fully bipedal, ie two legged and walk around on two legs. We are completely adapted to life on the ground and not life in the trees anymore. And we're big, and both men Yeah, and and so if you look in the fossil record, you see large, robust males. And often, heights are predicted that could be even taller than you see today. In certain populations, then what happens is, we invent agriculture. And there's this in, there's this big decline in height, because agriculture doesn't lend itself to promoting growth. And early agriculture doesn't lend itself to promoting growth in children as effectively. So you are more likely to have a hungry season because crops can fail. It's also the time it takes for crops to grow. So you have less food, your nutrition is poorer. And if you live your agricultural society, you live a higher density, so you're more likely to gain infections and diseases. So all of those things together mean that we you have this, you know, when you've got human evolution here, so we were quite tall when we're hunter gatherers, and then the human population drops in height because of moving towards becoming more agricultural. And then now you see what you're on what we're on now as I can a trajectory moving towards larger heights again, as we've got better nutrition, public health, you know, better medicine and we understand germs. So now we're doing we've been increasing in size. So we used to be bigger then we got smaller now again, bigger again.
Nick VinZant 14:53
How did you kind of how did you get into this? What drew you into this?
Dr. Louise Barrett 14:57
Well, I study non human part I made mostly baboons and vervet monkeys. And like I say, baboons show massive, dynamite dimorphism, between the sexes. So males are twice the size of females. And so I'm very interested in primate behavior. And then I was like, this is kind of an accident, I was at a conference and I met, a researcher could hurt, stop, who's Dutch, and he worked on height. And we just got very interested in looking at human height, from an evolutionary perspective in all its dimensions, because he was he was interested in it, because he's interested in human behavior, generally. And then I was interested in the contrasts between non human primates and humans. And also, I think, when you apply evolutionary theory to people, you can make these very sweeping statements about what's evolved in people and how psychological things have evolved in people. And height to me is a good counter example to that, because although it's something we can measure very easily, and we know that it's important, and we know understand what promotes height and what makes you increases your height, or makes you stunted these kinds of things. We still don't, this is still like large gaps in our knowledge. And we have to be very careful about how we interpret them. So it's a good case study in Beyonce, like, even though we know all this stuff about high, we still have to be very, very careful. And this is one of the best known human traits that we have. So when you're talking about other things, or the kinds of things that people do, it shows you the winner to be quite cautious about how we decide what humans what Hume what's natural for humans or human nature is. Because even when it's something obviously height, where there are still big gaps in our knowledge and things that we don't know. And so we need to you can use it to illustrate the benefits of an evolutionary approach to understanding humans, but also why we need to be cautious and not go too mad with our interpretations.
Nick VinZant 17:07
Start not really what we do. That's not
Dr. Louise Barrett 17:11
really what we do. No, no, it's a fool's errand that I'm engaged in.
Nick VinZant 17:14
Right, like we kind of do the exact opposite. Are you ready for some harder slash listener submitted questions? Absolutely. That would be great. Is height really that important for women or two men just think it's really important for women in like dating area,
Dr. Louise Barrett 17:33
the thing about in the in a sort of dating arena is men want women who are shorter than them, but they don't really care that much, right? There is not it's not so strong. And women want men who are taller than them. But they don't necessarily want them too tall. So there's, they're so often you get
Nick VinZant 17:57
married, man, I'm used to this conundrum. So you want this thing, but not too much.
Dr. Louise Barrett 18:02
So part of the reason why it doesn't seem like it may be so important for women is it's just much easier for women to find a mate that they prefer in this domain, because most men are taller than most women. So it's only at the extremes. So if you're a very shorthand or a very tall woman, then your height preferences can be a bit of a problem, because you your your dating pool is just that much smaller. But I think once people actually get to know each other, those these things don't necessarily don't necessarily feature that strongly.
Nick VinZant 18:36
Right. But does it rule people out? Like in terms of like the dating apps? Does it automatically seem to be Is it strong enough of a drive that automatically rules somebody out like for somebody's looking for? I want this person with this, this and this, but they're not six foot? Like does it rule people out more with dating apps?
Dr. Louise Barrett 18:56
I think I think it kind of does, because it's one of the ways that people use height as a filter. So it is ruling some people out in a way that's not it may be kind of counterproductive. You know, you just have this preference you and it may well be that you're trading on these perceptions we have about tall people and tall men in particular, that you say you want someone who's six foot because you also imagine that they're going to be successful, they're going to have a good better job they're gonna do you know, all these things that you think go along with height, that may or may not be true. And so you're you are ruling some people out if you specify this and apparently that's what people do. They are particularly women. They use height as a massive filter when they're putting together profiles and choosing people on dating apps. But it seems like maybe that's a somewhat counterproductive way to go about things. Given that there's, you know, the relationships are there but They're not particularly strong.
Nick VinZant 20:02
How many people lie about their height? Is there any statistics on how many people lie about their height?
Dr. Louise Barrett 20:08
I don't know. Any of I don't know, any. I would be very interested to know that, I think because I think I, in my impression is people do lie about their height, which I find very interesting, because presumably, you're going to meet these people at some point. And then they will, like, what are you going to do stand? Stand on a box all the time? And you know, Never show your legs? I don't I? So yes, people do. Say that there. And I mean, you see it sometimes when you people will say I, you know, they will say, Well, how they are and you think you will never that tool. Like you're either completely misled about how long foot is, or, you know, you're lying here. And you imagine the rest of us can't see it. But it's a funny thing I think people do over estimate that I,
Nick VinZant 20:59
I have a theory that pretty much every guy is about an inch to two inches shorter than he actually says he is.
Dr. Louise Barrett 21:05
I think that's definitely true. So no, there are no, I have no more data on it. But my my experience in the world is that happens all the time.
Nick VinZant 21:14
Well, if everybody lies, it becomes the truth. Right? Eventually, at some point. I'm like, this was kind of funny. But Is anyone actually 511? Because no one who is 511 would actually say they're sick would actually say 511. They would be six foot?
Dr. Louise Barrett 21:31
I mean, of course, I mean, there are a lot of people who are five foot 11. Because all the blokes who are five foot nine is saying that five foot
Nick VinZant 21:38
it's the truth. That is exactly the truth, right? Like, there's not a single 511 person in any dating app, I can promise you, right? Um, oh, this one's kind of interesting to me, right? Do you think that Zoom could change all this? Because you can't really tell how tall somebody is?
Dr. Louise Barrett 21:58
No, no, not. So that's true. But there's a researcher at the University of Kent University of St. Andrews in Scotland called David parrot who's done a lot of work on facial perception in humans. And he had a student who looked at people's faces and showed this and when I can't remember if they ever kind of worked out precisely what it was about the facial configuration, but you can predict how tall someone is from some aspect of their face.
Nick VinZant 22:29
Oh, I don't feel like okay, can we just can we try this? I'm a terrible judge of height. How tall? Do you think that I
Dr. Louise Barrett 22:37
511?
Nick VinZant 22:42
I am exactly because I was measured for life insurance. Five, eight and three quarters. Does that seem about right? Like looking at?
Dr. Louise Barrett 22:51
I would say yes. I mean, obviously, I'm gonna I'm not gonna say no. Am I? Now? I'm gonna say that to myself a lot, a great judge of height? I am. I mean, I would say I would say yes. And the reason I would say that is because of your shoulders rather than your face. But the interesting thing is, there's like, when you see secular trends in height, like people get taller with each generation, and it happened after the Second World War, particularly in Japan, when they started drinking a lot of milk. And it changes the what, what these environmental effects and it was they changed the length of your legs. So you when you get when when populations get taller is because their legs are getting longer. So there's a sense in which I find it interesting as to whether you can like if or how good this effect is being able to spot people's height from something like just looking at their head and shoulders on Zoom. Because Because some people have very long torsos. And so do you know what I mean? Yeah, throws it off. So you can actually start sitting down you can be, you would look the same height. And then if you stand up, you suddenly notice a difference. So
Nick VinZant 24:01
country or area that seems to care about height, the most country that doesn't seem to care that much. Or regions of the world, like whatever you you know, however you
Dr. Louise Barrett 24:12
might see in Western Europe and America, that's where people care. Certain in certain African populations, like there's a there's a population of people, the Hadza they don't seem to care much about height, in terms of mate preferences and how they deal with people. But there is generally speaking across most societies, there is this phenomenon of like the big man, right, his you know, there, that's what he's literally called in anthropology, like, big men are seen as leaders. So in that sense, you know, in that domain, there is a lots of people across the world care about height, in terms of who do you want to be the leader of your group and who do you want to have authority But in terms of dating preferences, it's much more flexible. And you know, and it's mostly Western Europe, where people's opinion in America where people say, well, North America, where people seem to care about these things,
Nick VinZant 25:12
for somebody that maybe is self conscious about it, like, what would you say to them,
Dr. Louise Barrett 25:17
I think if you're self conscious about your height, you have to recognize that what we're picking up on is not just height in and of itself, because you're always behaving in the world. So it's about your confidence how you're coming across. So if you can walk with the confidence of someone who's six foot, if you will, you will not be perceived immediately, you might be well, you will be perceived as a short person, but all the kind of negative things that might go along with that won't affect you, because you're giving off different vibes. So I think that that's the thing to remember is, it's just one facet of what we're picking up about people. So if you can move through the world, easy with yourself, and unconfident in, you're unhappy in your body, other people will pick that up, too. And so you can, so I think it can be like the self fulfilling prophecies that you're self conscious about your height, you behave in a way that gives off these vibes about that height. And other people pick up on that and start seeing you in terms of your height and, and associating it with these particular behaviors when they didn't need to. And if you were just way more outgoing, and walked through the world differently. Even it wouldn't people wouldn't necessarily pick up on that. Act as if act as if Yeah,
Nick VinZant 26:32
that's pretty much all the questions we got. Is there anything else that we think that we missed or anything like that?
Dr. Louise Barrett 26:37
No, no, I don't, I don't think so. I think the only thing I would say is, you know, like I said, these effects are there, but they're not massively drastic. And so if you're not happy with your height, I just wouldn't worry about it too much. You're, you're going you're probably gonna have a happy life. Even if you're even if you're a short man or a tall woman, it's not that it ultimately all shakes out in the end, so I wouldn't put too much weight on it on these things.
Nick VinZant 27:06
I want to thank Dr. Barrett's so much for joining us if you want to connect with her. We have included her information in the episode description. And we have also linked to her on our social media sites, or Profoundly Pointless on tick tock threads, Instagram and YouTube and the YouTube version of this episode, we'll be live on August 10, at 4:30pm Pacific. Okay, now, let's bring in John Shaw, and get to the pointless part of the show. Do you feel like your bias against people based on their height?
John Shull 27:39
I'm gonna say no, but probably, I will say I'm probably biased more on people's hair color than I am height. Hmm.
Nick VinZant 27:48
I'm bias against people's overall kind of demeanor. Not necessarily like not their height, not their weight, not their higher color, not even necessarily their overall attractiveness, but how they carry themselves. If I see somebody that doesn't carry themselves very well, like they don't seem like they move with confidence. That's probably where I do most of my judging.
John Shull 28:12
You know, movement, body posture is a big one for me. You know, how you walk how you carry yourself, how you eat? Eating is a big one, even though I eat like a caveman. But still, what do you mean, how you eat? You know, like, for instance, if I'm out to eat with somebody, whether it's a professional dinner or whatever, or even with friends, and they hit their teeth with the fork, it's game over. I can't help but say something.
Nick VinZant 28:41
Yeah, I don't, I don't know if I have anything like that, that if somebody does that. It's just an immediate, like, oh, I don't like that person. Besides it besides a handshake with a man and he gives you a limp handshake. I don't have anything else like that. If they do that.
John Shull 28:57
I don't know what to do. When I get a limp handshake. I kind of just go with it. I almost live with myself,
Nick VinZant 29:03
you kind of have to do that. And that's I think why it bothers you so much is that you have to return the limpness with limpness. And then not only do use your estimation of them drop, but your feelings about yourself drop as well. It really kind of takes both of you down, which is why it bothers people so much, I think but
John Shull 29:20
as it should. Live, handshakes are terrible.
Nick VinZant 29:24
So wait, what do you mean that you judge people by their hair color? Like what's your favorite hair color? What's your least favorite hair color?
John Shull 29:30
I mean, anytime you see a ginger, you're like, oh boy, oh geez.
Nick VinZant 29:37
I don't really think that about ginger is necessarily
John Shull 29:39
I mean, less than I say that's half kidding. But also there are just like anything in life. There are stereotypes around you know, like blond haired women, Ginger men, you know, certain certain I don't want to say classes but because that's not the right Word but, you know, certain kinds of hairstyles or hair colors. I mean, and for all of you out there that are thinking that I'm an asshole we, you know, you think the same thing sometimes. Yeah, everybody
Nick VinZant 30:11
judges the only thing that kind of throws me off about hair colors if it's very brightly colored in different ways, you know what I mean? Like, if they've got a lot of hair color that's going on up there. That's usually signifying to me that like, okay, there's going to be something. Right, like, you're gonna, they're gonna be an intense person.
John Shull 30:32
I mean, nowadays, because everybody has them. Tattoos are pretty easy, chargeable. I mean, you know, I, I don't think I've ever had a conversation with somebody that has a face tattoo, where they weren't or didn't serve some kind of prison time.
Nick VinZant 30:48
I don't know anybody with a face tattoo. Do you know anybody with a face tattoo?
John Shull 30:52
Not Well, it does, like, upper neck count. Like almost to the cheek.
Nick VinZant 30:59
back of the neck, side of the neck or front of the neck.
John Shull 31:02
This would be front and side.
Nick VinZant 31:05
Front, pretty so very noticeable, right? Like not necessarily covered up by the Yeah, I would feel like that counts. It's not quite the same level, but it's like right there. Like you should have just gone all the way and gone into the face, but
John Shull 31:19
and there are flames which make them even worse. Yeah, that's
Nick VinZant 31:23
gonna Yeah, it's like, what
John Shull 31:24
are you doing? Brian,
Nick VinZant 31:26
you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to have a really good resume. Right? I'm still to have a really good rest. I'm still
John Shull 31:33
under the impression and this is probably wrong. But if you have, like facial tattoos or piercings that are extravagant, I don't know how you get a job. I don't know. I mean, I mean, and I once again, I don't say that like being a dick. I just what professional companies gonna want you to represent them when you have a, you know, a barcode tattooed on your face.
Nick VinZant 31:58
I am a person who in the past has been a hiring manager. And I would say that, well, I've never had anybody that did that. I mean, I've never had someone that had like a tattoo or just a really noticeable kind of thing where they go
John Shull 32:15
to whole rant. I have a whole rant on it, but I'll say that because it's probably ignorant.
Nick VinZant 32:19
Do you want to go to your Do you want to do your WrestleMania wrap up?
John Shull 32:23
It was SummerSlam.
Nick VinZant 32:25
Sorry, so
John Shull 32:27
I'll keep it brief.
Nick VinZant 32:29
You know what I've never really understood. I still don't know the difference between semifinals and quarterfinals. Which one is like farther, closer to winning the whole thing. Do you do the quarterfinals first and then the semi finals? Or is it semifinals? And then quarterfinals?
John Shull 32:44
No, it's It's always semi finals. And then final.
Nick VinZant 32:48
But winner the quarterfinals
John Shull 32:51
those are before the semis.
Nick VinZant 32:55
Quarter just seems like it's semi shouldn't be better than semi. Oh, now I get it semi like it's almost the finals. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Anyway. Oh,
John Shull 33:05
my. Russell are my oh my god, my SummerSlam wrap up. Let's see for the actual event itself. Can
Nick VinZant 33:14
we can we do something? I know you make every Can you can you make it rhyme in some way. Like habit like, went to see the Hulk. He had a lot of bulk. slammed him I can't, that'd be basically impossible. If you can do it.
John Shull 33:31
American try, no one's gonna want to hear this. But for your pleasure, I can try to do it. SummerSlam, the event itself was okay. WWE puts on a live experience, like no other production company in the world, comma. If you're missing if you haven't been to a WWE event, and you're not even a fan, you should go at least once in your lifetime. Because the event will blow you away. I was a little let down by the city of Detroit,
Nick VinZant 34:06
as most people are.
John Shull 34:09
My let down. This was because I stayed in Greek town, which is right next to Ford Field. And if I was somebody coming in from out of town, I would have felt intimidated by the fact that there were four to eight Detroit police officers on every street corner. And there was metal detectors that you had to walk through to get to a downtown part of the city.
Nick VinZant 34:33
That is a weird thing. Right? Like if you have so much security, it both makes you feel a little bit safe and like something might happen. That's like wait a minute, why are there so many people here? I just why is the army here with a tank? We should probably we should leave because you liked the event itself. You had a good time. Did you make a fool of yourself?
John Shull 34:52
I did. And once again, I know this is over six senses now but nobody puts on a live event like the WT WV They are masters of their craft, you can say what you will about the actual action itself. But I mean when I'm when I'm here telling you that Logan Paul is a bonafide wrestler, and I would pay money to just see him wrestle. Something's wrong. The only real disappointment for me was No, no rock, no, Dwayne Johnson, when all the indicators were that he would be here or there, I guess in Detroit, other than that, great times have won some money at the casino, which was nice. drink way too much whiskey the night before. And yeah, it was good. It was, it was all good. And for our international listeners, by the way, WWE does all kinds of events around the world. So if you if they're within, you know, a certain mileage of you, I'm telling you, you should check it out. It'd be worth your time.
Nick VinZant 35:54
I do feel like even though I'm not a wrestling fan, I do feel like that would be an interesting thing to see at least one time on on a scale of one to five, it's real to me Damn, it's how many it's real dummies. Are you giving it?
John Shull 36:08
Well, I'm gonna break it down for the actual events for the continuation of the storylines. The soap opera. I'll give it three and a half, four environments and just being there. Five 810
Nick VinZant 36:24
that good, huh? Okay, for
John Shull 36:26
the city and what they did a five I mean, you know, 3040 60 80 million back into the economy. You know, like, fantastic. So yeah, so it was it was it was great a great times. I mean, I don't regret it.
Nick VinZant 36:43
Okay. All right. Let's do some shout outs.
John Shull 36:46
Shout out time time. All right. Let's see. We'll start with Max McConnell. Not to be confused with Mitch McConnell who? still staring off into space. Clayton Ducard. Tomorrow, Paige. Amanda Jeffrey. By the way, that McConnell joke was pretty funny. Lindsey farmer, James L. Miller. I like a good middle initial that kind of strong and I feel like L is one of those letters.
Nick VinZant 37:14
J LM is that alphabetical ABCDEFG H I J K Oh, if he had a K in there?
John Shull 37:21
Definitely. Ah, K. Casey. Corey Schroeder. The oil of the C chord with a que corre with a C. To the right. Okay. All right. Okay. Ju Arnheim John Martin, Evelyn Brewer. And I'm going to end with Theo Poggi. That I'm not entirely sure I'm saying the last name correctly. It's P O ggi. So I think it's podgy
Nick VinZant 37:51
P O GG I Pogi it's whatever. I like the name feel I like an Evelyn to classic old and that's like a classic modern
John Shull 38:00
name. We're Americans man always say is pagi or Pogi. Pogi. Like the fish. All right. You ready for some factor fiction?
Nick VinZant 38:09
Okay, all right. Okay, Week Five wants you to know I went for for for last time. By the way. No, you
John Shull 38:14
went to for four, didn't you? No, I
Nick VinZant 38:16
didn't. I went four for four.
John Shull 38:19
Okay, well, you know what now is what? What matters.
Nick VinZant 38:22
Okay. All right. I agree with that. All right, let's
John Shull 38:25
start off with this one. Profoundly Pointless Fact or Fiction? Blue Whales eat half a million calories. And one mouthful.
Nick VinZant 38:36
I mean, that seems like getting half a million. So that's like 500,000. No, I think that's probably a little bit too much. That would be my guess.
John Shull 38:48
Starting off on a terrible note. That is true many.
Nick VinZant 38:51
Boy Oh, man. mouthful.
John Shull 38:54
I don't know how the hell this is measured, by the way. But apparently, it's for 450,000 calories.
Nick VinZant 39:04
You know, that's not half a million
John Shull 39:07
Close to close.
Nick VinZant 39:09
Now, I think that was incorrect phrasing on the question. See,
John Shull 39:12
see. For those of you just listening to this, you're going to hear probably every question I asked or bring up well,
Nick VinZant 39:18
wait a minute. How did you phrase the entry of the question? You said Blue Whales eat half a million calories a day? And I said no. So they don't need 450,000 which is not half a million. Thank you. Right. Once again. That's not half a million. I'm sorry if we're going to be sticklers on facts. And let's be sticklers on facts. 450 is not 500
John Shull 39:42
We'll call it a wash. Call it
Nick VinZant 39:44
correct on me. Well, you said do they need half a million? And I said no, they don't. And then you said the 450,000 which is not what? How many
John Shull 39:53
Nicklin Czanne's would that be? That's what I want to know.
Nick VinZant 39:56
500 I don't know. I mean, well calorie each pound to eat a pound is 3500 calories. I know that. So take I can't do that. Yeah, let's let's just move on 75 times 3500 factor
John Shull 40:10
fiction, chimps have more hair than humans.
Nick VinZant 40:16
I'd bet we have the same amount of hair.
John Shull 40:19
No, actually, we have between and why we I mean, humans have between two and 5 million hair follicles, which is just about two and a half percent more than what chimps have for National Geographic.
Nick VinZant 40:39
Hmm. I mean, I could pick that one apart, too, if you really wanted me to, right. Like that's a huge difference in the number of hairs. So a chimp could have just as many hairs or less hairs than we have. Right? Like two to 5 million? Well, that's a huge difference.
John Shull 40:53
I think. I think you have a lot of you love just picking it apart, don't you?
Nick VinZant 40:57
I like to be factually correct is what I'm saying. Right. Like, I think that you round things up, right? Like eventually, that's how the game telephone is. All messages different by the end of it. All right.
John Shull 41:07
Well, this is going well. Factor fiction the pound signed, isn't actually called a hash tag, or a pound sign.
Nick VinZant 41:17
It's called a pound sign. No. What's it called?
John Shull 41:22
Its technical name is an octothorpe. Pa. And Octo means eight to refer to the points. Though records will disagree where Thorpe came from some claim it was after Olympian Jim Thorpe, while others argue it is just a nonsense suffix. But it is known as an octothorpe.
Nick VinZant 41:47
I think that that's probably the pound sign is a little bit. I never understood how they got pound sign off of that. Like, that doesn't seem like pound in any way.
John Shull 41:57
I mean, I've no idea.
Nick VinZant 41:59
Okay, I
John Shull 42:01
mean, I I feel like this one might be too easy. But we're which
Nick VinZant 42:06
which one? Are you more of a friend and fan of pressing pound sign or star?
John Shull 42:12
I'm not really a fan of either. I will tell you that I press star more than I press pound.
Nick VinZant 42:18
I'm more of a fan of a star because I know exactly which one that one is right? Like if somebody says star like okay, I know exactly which one that one is. If it's pound, I have to think about it for a second. I'm more a fan of foul starsign and pound
John Shull 42:30
I just use star more than I use pound.
Nick VinZant 42:35
Remember when you could like do star six, nine and call people back? I don't think our younger audience would know that at all. But if somebody called you on a landline was John has a landline. So he can still do that. You could do like star six, nine and they would call them immediately or call them right back. There's all these tricks that you could do.
John Shull 42:52
Here's the thing is, is you keep giving me crap about my landline. Someday it's gonna save my life might save your life.
Nick VinZant 43:02
It might Yeah. You never know. Like,
John Shull 43:05
who knows? Maybe, maybe you're gonna call me one day. You're choking on a cookie and I don't answer myself. So you call my house number which
Nick VinZant 43:12
I call them. You're not going to answer that either. Yeah, probably not. Right? I just like making fun of the landline because it's ridiculous that you have it. How much you pay a month for it.
John Shull 43:22
Oh, like 30 bucks.
Nick VinZant 43:24
Do you pay $30 for a landline?
John Shull 43:27
I mean, it's Express $360 a year. Anyways, last one. How
Nick VinZant 43:31
long have you had it? How long have you had it?
John Shull 43:33
I mean, since I moved into this house, so six years?
Nick VinZant 43:38
Me and that's like $2,500 or something like that? Right? 360 that's it that six years? That's like 2000 bucks. You've wasted on your landline? Think about
John Shull 43:47
that. I don't think about that. I don't think of it as a waste. When's the last time you use waterfall the cell towers? Just you know what if the aliens officially attack?
Nick VinZant 43:58
How you're gonna have bigger problems? Who Yeah, who are you going to call other people
John Shull 44:04
with landlines? Do you know their numbers? Only my mother in law.
Nick VinZant 44:08
So there you had you spend $2,000 there all my mother off. You spent $2,000 Over the last decade. Decades to be able to call your mom.
John Shull 44:19
It's my mother in law.
Nick VinZant 44:21
She's such a sweet guy. John is a sweet man. Thank you. Is it sweet man.
John Shull 44:26
Appreciate that. Last Last question here. Coffee comes from beans.
Nick VinZant 44:34
Well, I mean it has to write like their coffee beans. So otherwise this is a huge scam but it's probably false because some there's some thing that like some trick in the question, so I'm gonna go with false
John Shull 44:48
No, you are wrong. So they're advertised as coffee beans. However, the name doesn't actually make any sense since coffee. It comes from the pit inside of the coffee fruit. If we were being accurate, we should call them coffee seeds.
Nick VinZant 45:08
Well, didn't I say no, that was probably fake because it had to be some trick.
John Shull 45:12
Yeah, but that doesn't count. You're really saying that you said that. It probably was true, but then you're like, ooh, probably is, you know, because
Nick VinZant 45:19
it's probably something along those lines, but it's like a technicality. And I feel like this is a technicality. Like they're not beans even though we call them beans.
John Shull 45:28
I mean, listen, if it is a technicality people have been on these the last few weeks, they will tell me or you or us that it is technically correct.
Nick VinZant 45:37
Yeah, I mean, they were like, What is the thing right? Like if everybody thinks the red truck is blue? Perception is reality if I think that they're being their beans, and if you come in here and saying, Hey, you got any coffee fruit? Like no. Do you remember that?
John Shull 45:53
Let's see. Not a liar liar with Jim Carrey. No, never seen God damn pen is blue, otter and underrated actor at least in like the mid to mid 90s to late 90s. I think
Nick VinZant 46:07
he's one of the actors that was incredibly famous and then kind of like, disappeared.
John Shull 46:11
I feel like he tried a real actor. And he got shut out. He couldn't, couldn't sell the goods where you got to act.
Nick VinZant 46:19
He was a good actor. He had some good ones. I think that he just kind of went off on like a weird tangent about, like, he tried to make his artsy movies and people weren't into his artsy movies.
John Shull 46:29
Well, didn't he? Also, he got with Jenny McCarthy back then too. And locked down. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 46:35
that's a whole thing. Which Yeah. I don't know about that. But he did something that well,
John Shull 46:41
we all did some.
Nick VinZant 46:43
We've all done something. Okay. Are you ready for our top five?
John Shull 46:45
I am, are we're gonna go back to school, I think
Nick VinZant 46:48
back to school, baby top five school supplies, which are number five.
John Shull 46:53
So this has to be specific. But my number five is a mechanical pencil. Don't give me any of that number to crap or pens. Give me a good mechanical pencil at some point. 07 lead.
Nick VinZant 47:07
I never understood the mechanical pencil. I never understood the kid who had the mechanical pencil, right? Like all you who are you Mr. Fancy Pants. You can't write with a regular pencil, the regular pencil is not good enough, you gotta go get a mechanical one. And it seemed like more of a pain in the ass because you had to fill it up all the time. Like if you just lost a pencil, you just lost him, you just got another one. But it's a big deal. If you lose a mechanical pencil,
John Shull 47:28
here's my problem with number two pencils is that you always like you either have to have to sharpen them every like five minutes or they become dull. You don't get the crispness that you do a mechanical pencil for as long. But you
Nick VinZant 47:41
got to change it out. Anyway. Here's what else you got to change out the light in the mechanical pen. So
John Shull 47:47
that's not enough the razor dumped some in the tube and you're good to go.
Nick VinZant 47:51
Isn't it the same problem though, ultimately, that you're just gonna have to be clicking the thing all
John Shull 47:54
the time. Fine. Clicking used to be cool if you remember that. Yeah, but that if you could sharp
Nick VinZant 47:59
sharpen the pencil, then you could go up and like you could take a break in class. He's like, I gotta sharpen my pencil.
John Shull 48:06
No, I don't know what pencil you're sharp pencil sharp.
Nick VinZant 48:08
You could be at the pencil sharpener for like, two or three minutes.
John Shull 48:12
What kind of pencil sharpener you prefer? Like automatic. Were you one of those roto guys, you know, we're the old school ones.
Nick VinZant 48:18
No, my favorite kind of pencil sharpener is the one that was like bolted to the wall. Yes. That's
John Shull 48:23
what he's talking about. Where do you have to like physically crank it right?
Nick VinZant 48:26
Right. Like it wasn't you weren't responsible enough to have it on like the teacher's desk or a desk somewhere because he couldn't like hold it down and sharpen it had to be like bolted to the wall.
John Shull 48:35
You know, Mr. Murphy, he hated that when you got pencil shavings on his carpet.
Nick VinZant 48:39
And don't do that. That's where we are as a society and educational system. Is that like we're supposed to be educated, but we have to bolt the pencil sharpener to the wall, because otherwise people are gonna fuck it up.
John Shull 48:49
They're gonna fuck it out. Absolutely. fuck it up.
Nick VinZant 48:52
My number five. I don't think it gets any credit. I don't think it deserves a lot of credit. But it is a staple of school and that is the Kleenex boxes. Everybody has to have the Kleenex boxes.
John Shull 49:07
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's kind of it's kind of lame to me. But it's fine. It's it is what? Oh, it's
Nick VinZant 49:13
lame, right. But then when everybody's sneezing in the classroom and you don't have any Kleenex boxes. That is the one school supply that is for the good of
John Shull 49:20
the whole class. Yeah, but you're not there for the good of the whole class. You're there to learn.
Nick VinZant 49:25
Right? But you can't learn if everybody's sick, all that kind of stuff. What's your number four.
John Shull 49:30
So I don't expect a lot of people to get this or maybe I do but it is Elmers glue. But it's the blue kind that you could like see through almost look like water. It was fantastic. I'd have like eight bottles and start off every school year.
Nick VinZant 49:47
What is your family doing was your school supplies. We this is the thing. This is where it started. This is where your beer snobbery and your music snobbery and all that snobbery started was with schools so which isn't true, but I got it for listening for the first time. Gotta have a mechanical pencil. John, do you want the clear? Do you want the regular glue that everybody else has? No, I need the fancy clear glue. I love the I love the this is where you're snorting. This is where you're snobbery started.
John Shull 50:11
What's your number? A boolean?
Nick VinZant 50:13
Pro? Craster? No eight. What is it called? a protractor. You knew that you were getting into some fancy stuff when you had to get like the protractor and the little compass the thing I don't know if that's also called a protractor but it's like this and the spinning around.
John Shull 50:28
So my number three is the TI 82 calculator.
Nick VinZant 50:32
More the graphing calculator, man,
John Shull 50:35
right. You could make like little words on it like, you know hell yeah. Or ass like,
Nick VinZant 50:41
boobs. booties. Can you still do boobs on the calculator if you need to? Yeah,
John Shull 50:47
60065 Boobs.
Nick VinZant 50:51
Do you remember any other ones? Hell was like 7344?
John Shull 50:57
No, 7311 I think
Nick VinZant 51:02
for hell Oh, yeah. Could be else. I put two H's.
John Shull 51:06
That was always fun. That was, yeah, I needed like, if you were smart enough, you could download games through AOL that took an hour and a half to download like one seven milah bite game or something.
Nick VinZant 51:18
I remember being in John Truex, his house, a friend of mine in like seventh or eighth grade. And that was the first time that you could get like, nude images on the internet. And we like downloaded one, but then had to come back like two hours later.
John Shull 51:32
Like, oh, yeah, look at this, for sure.
Nick VinZant 51:37
What's number three?
John Shull 51:39
That was my number three.
Nick VinZant 51:40
Oh, my number three, is it going to be a sleeper pick. I don't think people maybe have thought about this necessarily. But I realized this when looking at my number three is an index card. If you had the kid in class, who brought the index cards, you knew that they were going to study they were the person that you probably wanted to sit next to and cheat off of, or they were the person that you wanted on your group project. The kid with an index card was like a massive sign that that was the kid that you wanted to be like, okay, they're actually going to try here.
John Shull 52:14
Never thought that ever. And I I don't recall ever seeing any index cards at my school, but I'm sure
Nick VinZant 52:22
you never had somebody with index cards that would like right, the answers like, what is this like boron? No. Number of whatever. No, the only one I remember is iron. Which is like Fe like Fe iron. Yeah, that's all wrong. It's probably the b Actually now that I think about let's not
John Shull 52:41
quiz each other on the periodic element table.
Nick VinZant 52:45
How many elements can you name? Seven elements? Right?
John Shull 52:49
Oh, God. Oh, that's a tough question.
Nick VinZant 52:51
Can you name seven elements?
John Shull 52:55
Oxygen.
Nick VinZant 52:56
Yeah, okay.
John Shull 52:57
Oh, can I name them?
Nick VinZant 52:59
Yeah, just name
John Shull 53:00
I think I can name them more more than give you the symbol. Oh, yeah. Harbin.
Nick VinZant 53:07
Okay, you got to
John Shull 53:08
iron. Yeah. sulphide sulfate.
Nick VinZant 53:15
I don't think that's the one row. Thank you. Still at three.
John Shull 53:19
Oh, God.
Nick VinZant 53:21
Phone a friend. No, there's like 100 and we can't name
John Shull 53:25
No, I'm holding gold. Yeah, silver. Yeah. Two more nickel.
Nick VinZant 53:35
I don't know. This is I don't know.
John Shull 53:37
I sound so terrible. Um, I haven't thought about the carbon dioxide carbon already.
Nick VinZant 53:42
You've already got carbon
John Shull 53:46
Do you have any?
Nick VinZant 53:49
Come on, dude. You gotta have heat on it. No, I don't look them up. I should be.
John Shull 53:58
Magnesium. Yeah, dude, one more helium.
Nick VinZant 54:03
Yeah, the ones I was thinking of was like, nitrogen. Nice zinc. Aluminum.
John Shull 54:09
I mean, I'm not even like oh tungsten, my ring tungsten.
Nick VinZant 54:14
That nicer is that cheap.
John Shull 54:16
I mean, I think it's a sturdy. It's not it's not expensive or nice. It's just it's a sturdy. You needed
Nick VinZant 54:21
you would look at some of the rings and you're like, you know what steel is just not going to cut it for me. I need something harder than steel. Oh,
John Shull 54:27
not me. He was all my wife. Okay, all right. We're coming to me now that I think about it but like, yeah, yeah, like, like easy ones like calcium, things like that. I'm not gonna get like the beryllium or, or Hall. atonium Well, plutonium rhenium. I mean, look together. We've already named like half of them. So we're doing well. I
Nick VinZant 54:50
think there's like 100 and something. What's your
John Shull 54:55
van? This is where it gets tough. Yeah, I want to I think it actually gets easier. I want to hire this could be interchangeable for my number two. I'm just gonna go just a notepad, this paper.
Nick VinZant 55:08
Okay, okay, I think that you got that a little bit low. My number two is Kranz
John Shull 55:15
Oh see I don't have crayons, markers colored pencils I don't have any of those on my list.
Nick VinZant 55:20
Well obviously it's crayons number one markers number two and colored pencils number three and if you were going to rank those
John Shull 55:26
I would go color pencils markers, crayons.
Nick VinZant 55:30
Oh, you're just a pencil man then
John Shull 55:33
God dang. Pencil dig. Pencil is dead. My number one is a trapper keeper.
Nick VinZant 55:40
Okay, that sets the stage for everything else that's inside the Trapper Keeper rights.
John Shull 55:45
And once again, I guess do they even sell them anymore? Because today's generation would have no idea how cool it was to get a new Trapper Keeper.
Nick VinZant 55:56
Who was your go to Trapper Keeper? What do you have on there?
John Shull 55:59
I did I had the like the five star like just black one. You know, right? The six pockets.
Nick VinZant 56:05
That's the right answer. Yeah, right. Don't put don't when you're gonna get a nice Trapper Keeper. You keep it clean back up clean, classic
John Shull 56:12
spot for the condoms. spot for the Koch. Let's go.
Nick VinZant 56:17
How many people ever put like drugs or?
John Shull 56:20
I know they have. I didn't do it. But I've seen people do it in school before.
Nick VinZant 56:26
You had people who had condoms and cocaine and their Trapper keepers no
John Shull 56:30
knock. Weed though, you know, joints and stuff.
Nick VinZant 56:35
That's not a great place to keep it if you think about it. Right? Like, what was the point of putting it in there? Just put it in your pocket.
John Shull 56:41
If you were a high school teacher, would you even like care? Would you just be like, that's impressive kid. Just don't smoke it on school grounds.
Nick VinZant 56:48
If you've got condoms in your Trapper Keeper, no, we're
John Shull 56:51
not condoms.
Nick VinZant 56:53
I mean, like, you'd have to care. Like, you probably don't want to like, let that slide. Even if you have if you're personally okay with it. Like you got to kind of report that, like if kids are in a fistfight in your room. Even if they really, like you gotta like, you gotta tell somebody. I get it.
John Shull 57:09
I get it. Yeah, right. I get it.
Nick VinZant 57:10
Now he just punched him in the face. No big deal. My number one is a notepad or actually a notebook? Because you could get multiple notebooks and I would have a different notebook. I think for for each day, we had different days. Like you went to these classes this day and these classes that day. Oh, I may have even had a different notebook notebook for each subject in high school. Oh, I was so bougie because you different notepads? Really? Yeah. Did I like to keep it organized and have a trapper keeper, right, a trapper keeper was way more expensive. You could easily get seven to eight notebooks for the price of one Trapper Keeper. Oh, easily, easily.
John Shull 57:46
So really, I was actually being cheap. I wonder what Hold on. I want to see what a trapper keeper costs today. If they even make them still
Nick VinZant 57:55
1699 Let's see here. All right. Yes.
John Shull 58:04
How much is it Target has a five star Trapper Keeper.
Nick VinZant 58:09
How much am I? Oh,
John Shull 58:11
this can't be right. 1099 No way.
Nick VinZant 58:15
It seems a little cheap is a little bit less than I thought it would be. Yeah, that.
John Shull 58:18
That's like, oh, well, it looks like they are around 10 to $15 still okay, good for them. Good for Trapper Keeper, man. Okay,
Nick VinZant 58:26
how much your notebooks I remember being like 99 cents. Oh, yeah, you
John Shull 58:29
can get them. I mean, I just walked by a stand the other day at Meijer where they were like 89 cents a thing. college wide ruled What are you going with? College rule don't come in here with wide ruled that I was I was a wide rule kind of guy. Well,
Nick VinZant 58:46
I don't have anything to say.
John Shull 58:48
nothing nice to say. though. I can still fit in one seat at Ford Field. So that's good.
Nick VinZant 58:54
That's good. Yeah. Did you ever fit into? No. Have you ever had to buy two seats? If something
John Shull 59:00
never buy bottom half? isn't that big? That's the problem. Yeah, you
Nick VinZant 59:05
are built like a parent. Yes.
John Shull 59:06
I mean, I haven't changed in decades. So I'm still still a pair.
Nick VinZant 59:12
That's good. What's in your honorable mention?
John Shull 59:14
Sticky Notes? Good like a post it note like those are good. Okay, you seem I don't know why you would have those as a high school kid because you're passing notes to your future Mrs. Shoal.
Nick VinZant 59:28
Ah, I guess I was left out of that. But not surprising that's left out of that. A state would just rip off paper from the notebook they
John Shull 59:36
stapler Staple Remover pad to everyone. Oh my gosh, she made a mistake you know and stapled something wrong which happened a lot and then a ruler to stay but like one of those cool rulers like he had to have not like like maybe like a clear one. Not like you know the tan half fake wood ones that they give you. Oh yeah.
Nick VinZant 59:58
No, I could go with like the brightly colored plastic um, that to me is an acceptable rule or color. But if you had like the old school wouldn't want like that was not fun. No kind of a lame one break
John Shull 1:00:09
in half then you get suspended. What? What's in your arm I mentioned? Backpack. I think you need a good backpack but backpack.
Nick VinZant 1:00:16
Yeah, man did you go one shoulder to shoulder?
John Shull 1:00:19
I've always I still carry a backpack into work every day. And I'm a one shoulder guy.
Nick VinZant 1:00:24
Okay, I still carry a backpack into work when I didn't work remotely but I was a to shoulder man as the good Lord intended.
John Shull 1:00:31
I will tell you about the know ya know what one shoulder man one shoulder,
Nick VinZant 1:00:36
two shoulders to shoulders these both hands free. You're not prepared. Right? How are you going to protect the drugs and your Trapper Keeper if you don't have both hands free
John Shull 1:00:44
the condoms? I was worried about.
Nick VinZant 1:00:46
Ah tape. I don't think I really had any tape. Yeah, I was okay with markers. Markers means you were moving up in the little bit world a little bit if you were gonna get a box of crayons. Like how many did you get? Did you get to 816 3264 64
John Shull 1:01:01
all day? Don't come at me with that bullshit. Where I got like maybe a brown. I got three colors of brown. All right.
Nick VinZant 1:01:10
Man, you see that's what I mean. Maybe this is where it started for you. I only had like 16 Maybe I got a 32 on my birthday.
John Shull 1:01:17
Well, in kindness my seniors senior
Nick VinZant 1:01:19
year.
John Shull 1:01:22
Happy birthdays on here's a 32 pack of crayons.
Nick VinZant 1:01:26
Dad, I'm 18 Well, then you can move out. Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it. It really helps out the show. And let us know what you think are some of the best school supplies. I really think that this pattern of snobbery in John's life can be traced back to his earliest days in school. mechanical pencils, special glue, lots of crayons and markers and colored pencils. He's just been pampered his whole life. And he's used to it now.