Moshe Haimoff is known as the Watch King of New York City. He travels the world buying and selling luxury watches worth millions of dollars. We talk watch wholesaling, how to spot a counterfeit watch and why watches are soaring in value. Then, we countdown a special “wet” Top 5.
Moshe Haimoff: 01:11
Pointless: 27:47
Top 5: 40:13
Interview with Moshie Haimoff - The Watch King of New York City
Nick VinZant 0:00
Hi welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant Coming up in this episode watches and water.
Moshe Haimoff 0:20
That's what I did shifted my business one day I just left the diamond business directly to watch. They got really good and making knockoff really, really good but there's always at one thing that they can't get right, Patek 6300 G Tube point 1 million I bought it back then today it's worth like 3.5
Nick VinZant 0:43
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance to subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it. It really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So our first guest is the watch king of New York City. This is Watch wholesaler Marcia Haim off, how did you become the watch King, what got you into watches
Moshe Haimoff 1:13
I was doing was doing diamonds for many years hadn't had I had an infatuation for watches, like collecting them buying them. And then about 13 years ago, had an opportunity to buy a watch on eBay and flip it and buy it again and flip it and then I left the diamond business went straight into watches and started doing it full time ever since.
Nick VinZant 1:40
So that's really how you got started just flipping watches on eBay,
Moshe Haimoff 1:43
I was buying them off eBay for myself and flipping them for a profit. So that's what I saw. I was I would so basically what my main business was before watches was, I used to go to India every month buy diamonds, and sell them to wholesale to retailers. But I'm the wholesaler so I would sell them and then wait 60 days to get paid. And then I saw the watch business next to our watches as a hobby, you know, go on eBay, buy a watch, I liked it, somebody offered me a couple of dollars profit, I would sell it. And I saw that it was cod we call it in our business, which is you get paid on delivery, cash on delivery, it's not really cash. It's usually wire or whatever. But that's what's called cod. That's our term. So I saw as a better opportunity to get my money right away and keep on rotating on a small margin then go to the diamond business where I had to wait 60 days to get paid from the vendor. That's what I did. I shifted my business one day, I just left the diamond business directly to watch.
Nick VinZant 2:45
So like when you talk about margins, right, like you're buying a watch for this much. You're selling a watch for this much are you are we talking kind of nickel and dimes dollars and cents? Are you talking like I'm buying this for 100? I'm selling it for a
Moshe Haimoff 2:59
knockout. So you buy for 1000 the seller for 1100. So I can buy a watch, let's say a submariner for 12,000 seller for 12,500. But it's instant Bracy if you make five to 7% It's
Nick VinZant 3:15
Wow, that seems like an intense business.
Moshe Haimoff 3:18
Intense, but it's amazing. They say he get a rush. It's like a it's like a gambler, you know, always chasing that 21.
Nick VinZant 3:27
So like then, like how many watches are you buying and selling a day, a week, a month
Moshe Haimoff 3:33
between three to 500 a month. So I travel overseas every two weeks. I buy my merchandise there come back to America unloaded to all of the retailers
Nick VinZant 3:44
and go back and forth. Where are you generally getting them from?
Moshe Haimoff 3:47
Middle East China? That's mostly my main two locations.
Nick VinZant 3:55
So then what's it like getting on a plane with like, 500? No,
Moshe Haimoff 3:57
we don't do that we ship them. So we ship them via brakes Ferrari because we gotta be customs, right? So we ship them through, like you know those armored trucks. So via brakes, let's see Malcolm me, which are used mostly or breaks, we ship them. And then it goes to customs, we pay customs they will lease the package to us. And that's how we get we never traveled any merchandise. First of all dangerous Second of all, I can travel into customs and they could see it. But it's a long process. You got to go to the CBP and you gotta go see a special agent it could take two three hours. So I just ship them literally takes by ship on Friday. I'll get him Monday.
Nick VinZant 4:38
Is it a lot of work all the time? Or is it something that you ultimately just kind of get used to the hustle, it's
Moshe Haimoff 4:44
mental mental stress, right? Every business has stress some have physical labor, some mental labor, so our brains are constantly working. So 24 hours a day I can be sleeping but my bed is gonna work and my phone was always next to me so I don't miss a deal right so guy bothers me what a while I'll wake up answer. Go back to sleep and wait for the buzz.
Nick VinZant 5:04
What is it about watches? What do you like about them so much.
Moshe Haimoff 5:07
So as men, we don't have girls have their bags, right? Their bag, their diamond rings and their jewelry. We don't have much our hobbies, our cars and watches. Basically it's a status. The watch you wear as the status
Nick VinZant 5:21
of a person. That's true. Now were you a collector before you got into the business? Yeah, not really
Moshe Haimoff 5:26
a real collect, I was more of like a, like a hobby seller buy a gold watch or buy a steel watch some certain type of model and whatever. Wherever for a couple of weeks. Somebody would like it. Offer me providence. That's what I will do.
Nick VinZant 5:42
Are there a lot of people that are doing this? Oh, yeah. All right. You want to
Moshe Haimoff 5:45
come to 40 cemetery diamond district in New York. Everybody's buys and sells watches but very few do wholesale what I do I travel overseas, come back, unload and go back again.
Nick VinZant 5:55
So who are you mainly selling them to? Are you selling them to read retail outlets? Like,
Moshe Haimoff 5:59
no, I sell, I sell jewelry stores?
Nick VinZant 6:02
How come you don't sell that?
Moshe Haimoff 6:03
I'm starting that right now. So we have a big presence online via Chrono 24, which we started COVID. And we do a lot of like online and direct to consumer, but it's it's more of a relationship. When you sell to a consumer to a customer, it's like a marriage. You know, so it's, I'm finally up. till about a year ago, I was a one man operation. Two is all my own. Now I have like a whole team. And we have to be now we opened three retail locations on 14th century, we have one in Hong Kong, and we have another one in the Middle East and Dubai. One in Miami, one in LA. So we're we finally branched out retail. I have people working so I can still do the travel. So now what we do is we try to give the retailer a wholesale price.
Nick VinZant 6:55
And selling like three or four, three to 500 watches a month. That's enough for three separate that's just a
Moshe Haimoff 7:01
wholesale department. Then we have a whole retail department which we sell more on there.
Nick VinZant 7:05
When you kind of go to buy a watch, like what are you looking for? How do you know, which is the ones that are going to sell? How do you know what what are the good ones? That kind of stuff?
Moshe Haimoff 7:13
Very, very good question. So each each country has its own market. So for example, the Arabs can't wear gold and allowed to wear gold. So we buy the gold from there like the gold president the Rolex is. So that's our market. Asians like the Sport models like the submariners and the Pepsi's and the Batman's as their market. Our market we're big Americans are a little bigger Bill bigger, so they like 41 like big watches. 41 millimeter, 42 millimeter 44 millimeter. So you already know, what are you buying? Which watch goes where?
Nick VinZant 7:51
And it's pretty standard right there. Right? Like they don't really deviate too much from the past? No,
Moshe Haimoff 7:56
very few you'll have a guy or a gal come and ask for something you haven't heard like a year but it's very, very rare.
Nick VinZant 8:03
Now when we get to it right? When are these? I'll just use this word. I don't know if this is the right word, but are these knockoffs? Are these the
Moshe Haimoff 8:10
100% legit?
Nick VinZant 8:13
The 100 How do you kind of make sure that
Moshe Haimoff 8:15
you can tell by feeling it? The way it is different? The look is different. You know, they got really good and making knockoffs. Really, really good. But it's always at one thing that they can get right. But I've been three times I've been I bought some legit. dealers that didn't even know there was knockoff. But of course, how it works is that if you buy from somebody, you know they take responsibility. So if something happens to the law, that it's a knockoff, I go back to him. And he refunded me my money. How did you find out that it was so I have a service center up here. We do polishing services, everything. So I when I bought it, I bought it back home and I told my guy to help my watchmaker to open it. So you open the watch, he told me the watch is a knockoff because when you buy there, it's like going to a grocery store, right? Just pick and choose where you want. You pay for it because it's reputable dealer. So you know tomorrow the problem if you can always go back to a solid good guy, you met one time and he's gone. People you constantly do business with so you just pick and pick and pick, pick, pick and choose. Put in a bag, ship it. And then when you come home, you figure out what the stakes are what you made or where you didn't make
Nick VinZant 9:29
it when you have kind of one that's maybe a knock off or isn't working. Right, right. And it's like, do you chalk it up to the kind of that's all right, that's the cost of doing business like that's going to happen when you're in this business, or is it kind of like a big deal in the industry like people are you you've broken an unwritten rule?
Moshe Haimoff 9:45
So very good question. Sometimes people don't know they're selling knockoffs. People think it's real they buy from a client. You know, they don't have a watchmaker on hand. The watch looks okay to the naked eye. Right? Because what makes it real, you got to check the movie Another watch. But so they don't know. That's why it's very important you buy a watch from somebody reputable who's going to take responsibility if something goes wrong,
Nick VinZant 10:09
when you look at watches this kind of a whole, are they more popular now than they were a few years ago? Are they rising in popularity going down about the same? Where do you think watches are in popularity right now,
Moshe Haimoff 10:21
they're huge right now. So let's say 70 years ago, you can go to roloc store and they will beg you to buy their merchandise for 30% of retail Submariner, let's say Beatles, 9800, they'll tell you take it for seven grand. Today, they're gonna put you on a waiting list. And you have to buy X, Y, Z in order to get that Submariner at retail, he can't even get a discount. Now the consumer doesn't he's smart to watch it's worth $5,000 overreach on the gray market and sell it to me, then I'll sell it to another guy. So the demand is in seen right now.
Nick VinZant 10:56
Why do you think that is like what changed?
Moshe Haimoff 10:59
I guess people have more money. I think supply and demand I think because it's harder the Rolex became smart like you know, when you go to her MS, they make you wait on line to get in to spend five grand Could you ever imagine you gotta wait online to spend $5,000 at a store, they should open the red carpet give you champagne, you know beg you to come in but no, wait a line, wait your turn. What a Chanel they ask you to get an appointment. So Rolex is doing the cutting out. A lot of mom and pop stores which there are authorized dealers, and leaving it as boutique only. So it's very hard to get a watch. This guest ceramic Daytona, we tell it's $14,000. In our market, it's double the retail price.
Nick VinZant 11:43
So are on most of them are on most of the watches that you're buying and selling Are you making, you know, single digit percentage points, like five to 10 Are there some were like, I can mark this up 50%.
Moshe Haimoff 11:54
If I buy a watch, like you mark it up 100% Rolex won't sell to me, I'm banned from every Rolex store. So if I come in with my ID, they'll say no, because they know I'm a gray market seller. So they won't sell to me saying that the higher the watch value is, the margins will climb a little more. But let's see the wash is 100 grand. If you make 10 grand, you're happy. Sometimes you'll you'll buy a watch for 100 grand it sold for 105,000. That's okay. You get money right away, even 100 somebody comes to me says here's 103 for this watch. Give it to me right now. You're getting money right away, I will sell it even though I'm making 3%. But my money comes back into me so I can play with the money.
Nick VinZant 12:31
But is it? Is it a system where people who are maybe in it? Like if you have a slow month, can the whole thing collapse?
Moshe Haimoff 12:40
doesn't collapse because you're doing it the right way? Right. It's like a car. It became a commodity these watches. I know it's a luxury. It makes no sense. But there were there was a time last year doing COVID Where we went COVID the market went up like crazy. And the watch has dropped by 60% in a matter of two months. You hold on tight. You take your losses and you move on. By now it's summer season, it's slow. June, July, August, September slow. What do you mean slow? To July, August, sorry, slow means that there's not as much action because now September is coming. It's holiday season and it's Valentine's Day, then there's tax season. But then after tax season, May time everybody's in camp vacation. It's kind of slow, but people still buying it just not as much as
Nick VinZant 13:32
that's, you know, pretty much some of the basic questions that we had. Are you ready for some hardware slash listener submitting Of course, Best Value brand worst value brand?
Moshe Haimoff 13:44
Rolex is the best value brand. The word value brand. You mean resale value?
Nick VinZant 13:51
Yeah, I would say just in terms of somebody's gonna buy it right. Like I'm looking to get a watch what's probably like, you know, I don't know anything about watches. I only know a little bit about cars, but like, you know, maybe you don't really want to go with a Pontiac.
Moshe Haimoff 14:04
Well, Rolex is the best value for your money. So it's Rolex EP, Patek. RM is like the Lamborghini of watches is Richard mill. That's a Lamborghini watching protec is like the Ferrari, and you have AP Rolex. Then you have the watches that you get good value for your money, but you can never sell them. Unfortunately, I'm gonna say that I don't want to but it's like Yeager Breitling do blow beautiful arches. Tannerite cheap watches for the money for four granite panoramic, get a beautiful watch versus someone wears that watch and the expandable beautiful panorama is four or 5000 Rolex or four or 5000 you get an old ladies D just but unfortunately there's no resale value on the panorama or the you blow or the Breitling like the reason. Basically you will get a discount 30 or 35% off the roll if you have to. Be over retail right there it shows you the difference between the two brands
Nick VinZant 15:03
is that just because one's just more in demand and the other one like it's maybe not a better quality it's just like people want rice
Moshe Haimoff 15:11
I don't think it's a better quality I think it's more in demand I think it's more in demand people want Rolex more it's like a thing of status right?
Nick VinZant 15:19
Which an underrated brand like a one that you would say like, oh, people don't really know about this yet.
Moshe Haimoff 15:23
No, people know about it. I think it's as beautiful watches as you blog. I think it's very underrated. I don't know why. It's not popping off like you but looks like EP just a different name. You can have the same watch in the you blow. But if it's an AP, it's 400 grand. And if it's you blow it's 15,000 just for the name on the watch looks exactly the same. For the money. Like, if you buy a $15,000 rose gold, you blow and then Rolex 15 grand, you can barely buy an older Submariner, which is stainless steel.
Nick VinZant 15:57
What's the most expensive watch you've ever bought?
Moshe Haimoff 16:00
Patek 6300 G 2.1 million I bought it back then. Today it's worth like 3.5
Nick VinZant 16:10
Do you remember it? Do you remember what you sold it for? 2.8 That's a nice 500 grand right 700
Moshe Haimoff 16:16
We were two partners. Yeah, I bought it in 2007 2018
Nick VinZant 16:22
What's that like? Drop in two point something million on a watch.
Moshe Haimoff 16:26
I feel accomplished you can say it's fulfilling it's exciting excited because it's a gamble it's a rush you don't know if you're gonna sell it how much you're gonna sell it for right now. It's a lot of money in the watch. Tomorrow the market drops What are you gonna do? How fast can you get out of it right so before I buy something I have in mind certain buyers who are going to buy it and then I have my outfits in case they don't buy it if I dump it how much am I going to lose
Nick VinZant 16:52
two watches I would you say that like you know cars like tend to depreciate in value right like do watches generally as a whole tend to appreciate No it's
Moshe Haimoff 17:01
it's it's it's it won't depreciate as much as a car because Washington has have valued sentimental value some habit from father to son some habit. Some habit as a gift some habits people like it more I'm saying that. The past three years it went up now now to study but the biowatch 400 Granny homes 30,000 selling you like your solar car. Right? You buy a car for 100 grand you want to start a new leader okay, you get 70,000 65,000 a lot you buy for 100 grand your word. If you bought at the right time, either you're gonna make a couple 1000 or you lose a couple of dollars. But it's not like a huge reframe. Unless it was COVID people bought watches for 900,003 There were 250 There's one large RM 65 Or one like it came out it traded for 900 grand today I wouldn't buy for 300 people bought it for 900,000 That's a hair but that's during COVID Now it's everything is stable. So everything sells everything sells everything. So basically buy Rolex today for 20,000 you can sell it tomorrow for 22 If you buy it right, what's your personal favorite one? RM 11 rosegold I actually have it I have it downstairs if you guys want to see it. What do
Nick VinZant 18:21
you think is kind of what do you think is the next big thing in washers? What do you see coming?
Moshe Haimoff 18:25
A woman wearing men's sizes? I see a lot of woman wearing 41 millimeters 40 millimeters a lot of them he started wearing bigger watches how come What do you think that was trend now that's the trend woman one like they were a lot of gold but bigger ones back then these to have the 26 millimeter small ones for ladies very dainty. So we still have those demos and you have the ones who want to have the bigger like flashier look so they have the 4041 millimeters 39 millimeter and AP 38 millimeter and VP see that a woman wearing bigger sizes now.
Nick VinZant 19:00
Do you see another country is kind of becoming an emerging market either for selling or buying
Moshe Haimoff 19:07
Hong Kong in China? China actually China is the the daddy of the watch business as you can see. They control
Nick VinZant 19:18
the market because of demand or because of supply oh it's country without
Moshe Haimoff 19:23
on how many billion people they all love everybody in China where's the rowlock from the guy who the street vendor to the CEO of a company they all wear Rolexes when I was there every time I go there anybody everybody and anybody girl guy doesn't matter the overalls. That's like the number one thing
Nick VinZant 19:43
that's crazy that it's such a luxury here and there. It's like a cast exactly
Moshe Haimoff 19:47
was exactly what you just said it's a Casio for them. Everybody it's something I never saw in my life. And they were only still watching
Nick VinZant 19:56
is one type more popular the other like if it's steel versus Over verse.
Moshe Haimoff 20:01
So the steel to toe their steel, there's two tone roles to turn yellow, yellow gold, rose gold, platinum white gold. Which one's kind of a big deal. China likes a steel Sport models, which is like Submariner GMTs. Milgauss is whatever. Americans like the dangers that they did, which are the rose gold, yellow gold, platinum. Then they have the Wall Street people like to protect the lead the steel wants. So basically Wall Street people are not flashy. So they'll wear a white gold watch or a steel watch. It's worth a lot of money. So why go platinum is, you know, it's like driving a turbos, right? You're a car guy. For me, I had that car. It's the best kind of job in my life. The exotic 911 Turbo as I think puts a Lamborghini to shame a Ferrari. But people look at it think it's a Carrera, but it's not as turbo as so if you know, you know, that's Wall Street. They were platinum was 450,000. But to the eye it looks like it's stainless steel watch.
Nick VinZant 21:00
Yeah, that's the thing when you really got money. You don't show it. Except for the people who really know that it's
Moshe Haimoff 21:07
exact. That's what platinum and why gold is for. Then you have the rappers who wear the gold watches the blinged out watches the whole diamond encrusted will take a $300,000 watch. I sit down with 30 carats of diamonds which make the watch laters worth nothing but they do it anyway because they don't care. They don't do it on steel. They do it on gold.
Nick VinZant 21:27
Who do What celebrity do you think has the best watch game?
Moshe Haimoff 21:30
They all do? Drake as nice collect JC JC has the reverse of the railroad Patrick's and Rolex is an apt I've ever seen. And a good friend of mine sells to him very, very good friend of mine. He sells to all these watches. And it's amazing what he buys. Amazing. He has a watch. It's worth 2 million if an RM is worth three, 4 million. He has a protective for three, 4 million. But it's rare. It's like now like everybody has it. You won't see and you won't see by many.
Nick VinZant 22:03
What's your best negotiating tip.
Moshe Haimoff 22:07
My best negotiating tip. Never give you never offer. Never give somebody an offer on their on their watch. For example. If you come to me and say I have this Submariner, how much would you pay, I'll never give you an offer. Because that's negotiating gets myself. Let's say you want $5,000 For the watch. But it's worth seven. So me, I'll give you six. But let's say you want five. So I'm negotiating basically shooting myself in the leg, because I can get it for cheaper. So what I do is I ask you for your price first. And then from there we negotiate.
Nick VinZant 22:45
Silence is the best negotiation favorite. My
Moshe Haimoff 22:48
favorite slogan is your watch your price. Come to me to sell. It's your watch your price. Don't ask me what I would pay.
Nick VinZant 22:54
Like how much okay, but if you're kind of haggling over prices to use a word that my mother loved, like, how much negotiation generally is taking place? Right? Are you sitting there going back and forth for like, ever? Or is it just like 200 302 50? Done Right? Or how does the least
Moshe Haimoff 23:11
liberal points buy us? That's our that's what I do. I flip points, his price, my price, if we're close, let's say we're 1000 miles apart. Let's see you a 112. I want I want to be loving, and we can't get to common grounds. I said, Listen, we can do either 10 Five, or whatever. 11 Five, or we flip 11 and 12. What do you want to do? Most 80% of people will flip 20% Well just take the middle ground. Me I would always flip if I had the choice. It's fun to use more action. It's more exciting.
Nick VinZant 23:45
But when you get to that kind of price negotiation, right. Like, are you generally in a circumstance where you're getting like, okay, this person is getting screwed? This person's getting a great deal, or is it kind of like everybody's fine at the end of the day? Does that make sense? Right? Like, are you when you do a negotiation? Is it usually like, Man, I really got that guy. Or he really got me or is it kind of like, yeah, that's a pretty good price for that. Like, do you ultimately feel like you get to about where it's about what's
Moshe Haimoff 24:16
basically it's a balance, right? So a person who's selling you a watch knows what he has. He did the research online, he knows what it's worth to value will come to me and say I saw it online for this price. But that itself, no. So that means it's not worth that price. That's my upper hand because every time they say they saw a watch for 15,000 I said it is still online for sale yet. That means it's not the price. You know, but they know what they have is they know what it's worth. He did their homework. So you can never get it. Like yes, I got him because they do their homework before they come. So this city, it's a win win for both. He gets out of his watch. I get to watch it. I want to buy this. He's who was the coin toss of the price.
Nick VinZant 24:58
So the last time that I shared with me was like 1.2 million followers on Instagram and across different social media platforms and even surprised that people have been so interested in this
Moshe Haimoff 25:09
very so what happened was I used people saw I'm a wholesaler flipper used to come to videos by me buying watches for me all the time and everywhere I wanted to like you. Oh, I saw you on this guy. I saw you here. I saw you there. I saw you here. So you there. Say no, let me show people now what I do. works from my side.
Nick VinZant 25:28
Since you've kind of cuz you've kind of used the word like risen to popularity, right? Have you seen more people kind of trying to get into the game see more
Moshe Haimoff 25:36
people coming to buy? I see more retailers like customers coming to buy from me directly. I've seen young kids coming. I tried to help them all. Yesterday, I had a 12 year old kid by me. He came I helped him a little bit. The other day I had another kid what was 14 year old kid trying to sell me was this new, up and coming like hustlers, which is good. So we're not all cut for school. Like I'm not educated. I didn't finish high school. Let's just jump right into this. So I grew up in Hasidic household. No Hasidic. I'm not sure what that you know, Hasidic Jews.
Nick VinZant 26:08
I can't I can never. I don't I'm not sure I get it confused with something else. I hope
Moshe Haimoff 26:15
no, not at all. So Hasidic Jews are the ones with the curls and the shaved heads with. So my father, we grew up very, very orthodox Jews, like ultra orthodox. I left that cult 13 years ago. So we did I had no, I had no I had no life. And no, nothing. I didn't know what to do. I can't afford some issues, somebody offered me a job. And then my friend Gabby, who taught me this whole business on the go, like 1516 years ago. But after I was 22 years old, taught me everything from scratch to whatever I know today. So that's when I left the call. Then I got this job and slowly still, I build my way to where I am today.
Nick VinZant 27:00
Where do you think the future takes you?
Moshe Haimoff 27:01
Only God knows.
Nick VinZant 27:03
That's pretty much all the questions I guys or anything that you think that we missed her. Kind of how can people find out more about you,
Moshe Haimoff 27:10
they can follow us on Tik Tok and Instagram at the watch King NYC. Come by to flip a coin. Anytime.
Nick VinZant 27:19
I want to thank Marcia so much for joining us if you want to connect with him. We have linked to him on our social media accounts. We're Profoundly Pointless on tik, Tok, Instagram and YouTube. And we've also included his information in the episode description. If you want to see some of these watches. The YouTube version of this interview will be live on August 31. At 4:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of this show. Where in the alphabet, do you start to get confused about alphabetical order? Like where how far along can you get before you start getting confused as to which letter comes first?
John Shull 28:05
Like I immediately want to say, you know, like when you get to l and you have to go through elemeno. But then um, I usually don't stumble on that it's usually when I get past Oh start to get on to p q r s like that's usually where I or u and w, a lot of times I'm like, what comes first? What comes last?
Nick VinZant 28:27
I stumble right around the J area like H i and then I get J K L confused like wait, which ones comes first J K or L? And then I get confused again around the RS T area. Then you got to do like ABCD EFG. And
John Shull 28:45
this brings up a good question that I have for you actually, okay. I don't know how you do this. Like I've said, we don't rehearse this. So when you bring these things up, it's like you're reading my brain. I was having a conversation with my wife actually, about sobriety tests if you get pulled over. And she said there's no way that she could walk in a straight line or say the alphabet backwards under pressure. And I said, I'm pretty sure I could do the alphabet. I could probably walk a straight line to but I'm 100% sure I could probably recite the alphabet. You know, whether or not I was drunk or not. You could do it backwards. I'm, I'm pretty sure once again, I think I would maybe stumble on like u and v. But I'm pretty sure I could do it.
Nick VinZant 29:31
Okay, well, let's establish a reasonable amount of time for you to be able to do this.
John Shull 29:35
Well, no, they don't. I don't believe the police officers give you I mean, if it takes you an hour, I mean, it's not going to take me an hour. I'll try it fast. If you're gonna put me on the spot
Nick VinZant 29:46
or you're looking around, don't be looking at your phone. Okay, I think that you should be able to Okay, establish. Let's establish this as a baseline. I'm going to do it forward fairly quickly. So starting now A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L M N, O, P, Q, R s, t, u, v, w x, y and z, seven seconds. So that's seven seconds. So I think that you should be able to do it backwards within 45 seconds.
John Shull 30:14
Oh, no way. I will. I'll stumble. I'll try it. But I will i am going to stumble. And unless I can correct my stumbles. There's no way that I, I don't
Nick VinZant 30:24
know if you got to do it. Like you kind of know it, right? Like, you can't be going ABCD you know, I T and then do it all again until you get to the next one. And then like, do it like that? Like, you've got to? You can't do it through process of elimination. You've got to kind of like flow through it a little bit.
John Shull 30:43
I'll try. I don't know if I can do it in 45 seconds.
Nick VinZant 30:47
Okay, ready? Sure. If you get the first one wrong, and you're screwed. I honestly don't even I can't even right now. Say z and then whatever the next reverse alphabetical order. I don't even know what the next one is. Is it? W?
John Shull 31:00
I mean, don't give it away. Let's see. Let's see. Like, no,
Nick VinZant 31:03
it's not. Okay, ready? Go. Z.
John Shull 31:07
You had a false start there.
Nick VinZant 31:10
I did have a false. Okay. Well, that clock still running. Alright, we'll restart it because I think I can do that. Now. It's can't clock still running? What's the clock starts?
John Shull 31:17
W UVTSRPO. and M L. See, this is tough. K.
Nick VinZant 31:34
J Now you're doing it that way? She Yeah.
John Shull 31:37
See? That's yeah, but it's tough. Like if I had some time to think about it, I might have been able to get it right.
Nick VinZant 31:43
Yeah. I don't know. You messed up. I think you mix I think you missed an axe er, and you?
John Shull 31:49
Well, first off, you gave me a false start. And then you told me the clock was still Oh, it's my
Nick VinZant 31:53
fault. It's my fault. The false start is what screwed the whole thing up. So then if we didn't have a false start, you would have done it perfectly. Sounds like excuses.
John Shull 32:01
I'm just saying, getting back to the original question. I don't think I need reIated I stand no chance. But if I get pulled over sober and they asked me to do that, I'm still probably not passing it. Okay, let's just do a shout out. All right. I don't know what drew the females to our podcast last week? Certainly
Nick VinZant 32:20
not.
John Shull 32:22
Certainly not. I mean, I still look translucent, even though I've literally been in the sun. A lot.
Nick VinZant 32:29
Does it surprise you that a woman could be attracted to you in any way?
John Shull 32:34
No, because I, I think women are attracted, especially at our age, they're attracted to confidence and, you know, things that aren't necessarily maybe, you know, like dad bots, like they're attracted to Dad bots that are our age, and I'm okay with that.
Nick VinZant 32:53
Ultimately, I guess the question is, do you feel like your wife settled for you?
John Shull 32:58
Absolutely. I don't know. Well, how she stayed with me.
Nick VinZant 33:02
Yeah, I felt I kind of feel like, I feel like I was kind of like I was the last best option like, well, this is the best this is gonna get. So I better go ahead and just go ahead with that one.
John Shull 33:12
To be fair, my wife could have just left me in Florida. Or let me move out of Florida. She did not have to come to Michigan back to Michigan with me. Oh,
Nick VinZant 33:20
she moved with you. Yeah, my wife moved with me too. Yeah, she's surprising she could have stayed there. But anyway, okay. All right. Let's maybe we're
John Shull 33:27
actually catches and we just don't give herself enough enough credit. Anyways, in saying that we had a significant amount of new, actual female followers this week. So whatever you did, fantastic. So many of them are featured here. So we'll start with Mary Gatewood. Donald Darcy, obviously, not a female but still. Jamie Sweezy. Kathy Mon. Alexandra Hinds. Laura Newman. Catherine Madox? I like that Latin Emoto a first name or last name? Maddox. Maddox. Maddox. Yeah, like it.
Nick VinZant 34:06
I know I don't mind the first name Maddie.
John Shull 34:08
Maddie. Maddie is okay, Matt. You know, Matt is Vi Yeah. Maddie Maddox, Maddox.
Nick VinZant 34:15
Whatever mathematics. Carrie Marie Maddix,
John Shull 34:18
Carrie Stafford, Lisa runC. And Lou FIDIC. Y'all get the shout outs of the week.
Nick VinZant 34:28
It was Lou is Lou a woman or a man? Be Luis
John Shull 34:32
a man. Nope. It's a man. Okay, all right. All right. So while we're going back to some bangers for you, okay, because apparently, people liked these and I, at least the people that listen that I know wanted to know where they were. So I said, Fine. We'll bring them back.
Nick VinZant 34:47
I was wondering how long it was gonna take for factor fiction to run its course.
John Shull 34:52
Well, it's you know, when when you literally go against everything I say even though I'm proving that it's a factor if you're
Nick VinZant 34:59
not even But you're not there was the execution was not great, right? But the execution was right. Because you would say is 500? Like, do they eat 500? Do they eat half a million? And I would say no. And then you would say they eat 450? Well, 450 isn't 500 So like the equity was all over the place.
John Shull 35:19
Go back. I don't know. Hola last two months worth of episodes if you want to see what Nick's talking about, but for now, when you find yourself in this situation, what is the worst kind of person? In your opinion to be stuck in a in a room with will say for two hours? With no air conditioning? The No at all? Who keeps talking about themselves that are narcissistic, or a person who will just not stop talking about anything and everything. I like a person who you sit next to on an airplane that just won't shut the hell up.
Nick VinZant 35:58
I have reached an age I don't know when it exactly happened. Maybe when I pounced past 35 where I just want silence. I just want silence in my life. I'm not are you a nervous talker though?
John Shull 36:12
I don't think so. Actually, I think I'm actually pretty introverted. Unless you get me some liquid courage in me and then I become the then I become an all talker.
Nick VinZant 36:23
I can extend the conversation a little bit more than I should like all kinds of keep it going a little bit. But I don't like in a scale of one to 10 in terms of like being an over talker. I don't think I'm more than maybe like a 5.1 Maybe or maybe a six. You're not even
John Shull 36:43
I don't remember you being you're just a douche. Yeah, you're the guy bar. That's like where did Nick go? Oh, he bought me a drink. Oh, it's coming up. And then three minutes later, it's a glass of red wine.
Nick VinZant 36:57
Look, man. Got a free drink. I think there's what you're doing is really just complaining about stuff you shouldn't be complaining about. Somebody bought me a free drink. I'm not going to complain that it wasn't what I wanted. I'm going to drink it say thank you and move on with my life. And you know what
John Shull 37:11
I should have because I actually quite enjoy red wine. Now back then I did it. But now I do.
Nick VinZant 37:17
I just I'm still I just don't I can't get into that. I don't think I ever
John Shull 37:21
will. Because it's not dollar awful shooting doesn't taste
Nick VinZant 37:25
good to me. I like dollar beers. chinny whiskey, I'm gonna have I'm a man. I'm a man of the people not a snob.
John Shull 37:32
Anyway, so are you you're picking the No at all, then the narcissist because they may shut up.
Nick VinZant 37:36
Yeah, anything that would get them to not talk.
John Shull 37:41
What is a worst time to you being on stage during a GOP or democratic debate? As one of the candidates are waiting in line of an amusement park?
Nick VinZant 37:54
Oh, well, I mean, waiting in line. And I don't know, honestly, now that I think about it like, well, if I was there, I would want to be there. I don't want to be at the amusement park. So I guess it would be the amusement park. Right? Like I could. Yeah, I don't want to wait in line for anything. I don't like waiting. Unless it's going to be really fun and rewarding. Like I went to a place and went mountain biking and you had to wait in line to kind of get on the thing that takes you up to the top. But then you got to ride down the whole mountain and that was worth it. I don't mind waiting in line. If it's worth it. It's the not worth it. Like, okay, that wasn't worth it.
John Shull 38:32
Was it an actual mountain or like it's sand dune?
Nick VinZant 38:36
No, it was a Whistler Mountain Bike Park, which is a fantastic mountain bike park. If you're a skier or a mountain biker, and you have the opportunity to go to Whistler. That's a whole other world. Like that's a giant giant place. So if that's your jam, man, that's worth the trip.
John Shull 38:50
Nice Whistler. Yeah. Love it, man.
Nick VinZant 38:54
Where do you think it is? Where do you think that that is? Canada? Yes. But what part of Canada? Middle East West. What do you think it could be?
John Shull 39:06
I mean, my first initial thing is to say Vancouver area, but Well, that's right. Oh, but I actually think I know that because of the Vancouver Olympics.
Nick VinZant 39:17
Yeah, that's where they had it. Yeah. You're welcome. Man. Coover
John Shull 39:20
van coup for Canada and underrated country I feel for tourism and great great scenes.
Nick VinZant 39:30
Yeah, I enjoy Canada every time I've been there.
John Shull 39:34
I'm what's funny is I'm like right next to like the, I think probably what's considered the shittiest part of Canada, which is Windsor, because that's the most Americanized
Nick VinZant 39:44
because it's by Detroit and Detroit brings it down as a whole No, like Detroit sale bad. It brought the other part of another country down. Oh, there's a great funny. Yeah, I'm pretty proud of that. Listen,
John Shull 39:56
don't don't listen to him. Detroit's a great place. All right. It uh, yeah, I guess I guess that's it mine will be I was, I would rather be on stage during a debate. Just because I, I'd hate waiting in lines. So I'm good.
Nick VinZant 40:12
This is a top five that I've been wanting to do for a long time. I think it is a topic that is rich for discussion. John has repeatedly shot it down until today, which he agreed to do it, which is top five ways to drink something. That's your number five.
John Shull 40:29
I only agreed to this because I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this. Because I'm not. It was hard to come up with five different ways to drink something.
Nick VinZant 40:38
There's a lot of different ways to drink something.
John Shull 40:40
Well, maybe I'll be inspired by one of your options and add it added to my list. Okay. Okay. So, my number five, I put like an athletic bottle, like a sports bottle, like you know, like a Gatorade bottle. You know, you see like the athletes and they're getting some water and they spray it into their mouth.
Nick VinZant 41:00
See, I don't have that kind of thing anywhere on my list because all I'm thinking about is that is that all the spit back that's going back into that thing.
John Shull 41:09
But it's i I agree with you,
Nick VinZant 41:12
right? Drinking a spare amount of spit. However, if you've ever been in that
John Shull 41:16
situation, and you want some water quick, you just and then you get blasted in the face with just water.
Nick VinZant 41:24
Okay, that's why my number five is a hose. Okay, back to your childhood. thirst quenching endless supply. It seems like you can just drink it right there. You don't have to worry about really making a mess because you're drinking from a hose outside. Okay. Oh, lapping it up.
John Shull 41:45
hose is a good one. i Okay, I think I see where you're starting to turn to teeter off to on this one. Now my number four is is going to discuss you and it's in you're probably going to have more questions and call me an idiot. But that's fine. But my number four is in the shower.
Nick VinZant 42:02
You drink water out of the shower.
John Shull 42:06
I knew you were gonna say that. And here's my one argument to that is that everybody? Whether you do it constantly or once or twice drinks the shower water.
Nick VinZant 42:16
But how often do you drink the water out of the shower?
John Shull 42:20
It's on every time but if I'm if I'm outside getting a sweat and I jump in a nice cold shower, I might you know, drink a couple there have a couple gulps I mean it's just nice.
Nick VinZant 42:30
So you just like put like ah like that. Are you like putting it in your hands? What do you know? I mean, it's hot water.
John Shull 42:37
No, it's cold. It's cold. Usually, you know. And it's no you're just you know, you're opening your mouth and and go in, take a couple of swigs. And then you're moving on with your day. But it's it's nice. It's refreshing. And it's literally water that comes out of your shower is no different than water that comes out. I mean, your tap or your hose. It's the same water.
Nick VinZant 42:56
Yeah, but I just feel like that's dirty for some reason. Well, everybody like I just don't feel like it's really clean. Which is odd. It's like it's clean enough for me to wash my body with it but not clean enough for me to drink.
John Shull 43:08
I guess I know it's a weird one. But it's give it a try. You may not not like it or you may like it.
Nick VinZant 43:16
Did you ever drink it out of the bottom spigot? Like the thing you fill up with the bath? I've gone down and they haven't been drinking out of that
John Shull 43:22
I actually have but wow, once again, usually I can be quite nimble. Well, maybe not now but back in when I was a younger man may be more nimble. Nimble, not nimble, nimble. There when you know there was a few few nights where you came home, your stomach was gurgling and you needed to get some quick water in your belly. So
Nick VinZant 43:46
why wouldn't you just use the sink? Why would you put your face underneath that? That doesn't make ever you passed out in the towel. I
John Shull 43:53
mean, that probably went along with it those couple of nights that I did that I'm sure.
Nick VinZant 43:59
Yeah, you got to hydrate, you got to hydrate. Um, my number four is a water fountain. And if I'm going to choose a water fountain it's going to specifically be like the aluminum looking one with the plastic thing that you push in or the one that you push down I'm gonna go push down is better than push in.
John Shull 44:18
That was like when you were in school and you were changing class or whatever classes and you know that that was that was the best
Nick VinZant 44:27
that brings you back to like school yeah, out of a water found did you put your mouth over the top because you get your know when a guy puts his mouth over the bubbler?
John Shull 44:36
No there was actually like every as far back as I can go there was a sign that said do not lick Do not put your mouth on the spigot.
Nick VinZant 44:48
I'm a little bit weary those ones where you gotta get really close and they always seem to be like the porcelain looking ones where you gotta like get way down there and like this is getting close for comfort here.
John Shull 44:59
Well, I mean And then you, you know, you'd always have sometimes like the random stuff in there, like a fingernail hair and you're like clothes. You're like, Yeah, I'm not. I'm not doing that tool chatter but takes care of it.
Nick VinZant 45:13
That might be one of the most disgusting things for me if I see somebody's like fingernail clippings are a fingernail piece laying around that, to me is really gross. I get grossed out by that. I'm like, oh,
John Shull 45:25
so I'm a biter as we've talked about, so I do my best to clean them up. But sometimes they find their way on the floor and other places.
Nick VinZant 45:33
Why don't you just not do it? Did you try to put the stuff on there? Like the stuff that makes them taste gross? So you don't do it?
John Shull 45:40
No, I know, I don't want to do that. Because then I know that I would cut them like how 96% of the world does it?
Nick VinZant 45:48
Wouldn't that be the right way to do it then?
John Shull 45:50
Who says it's the right way to do it? Nick
Nick VinZant 45:54
96% of the world?
Unknown Speaker 45:56
Who says they're correct?
Nick VinZant 45:58
Well, I mean, I guess not. Well, how do you do it? That's so special.
John Shull 46:02
I don't I'm a biter. I said that. I mean, like, I
Nick VinZant 46:05
don't know how to why wouldn't you want to just cut them?
John Shull 46:08
I don't know. And anyone who's listening to this, we don't know why we're biting. We just do it. Like it's not even really a nervous twitch. I don't think
Nick VinZant 46:15
for me just like to chew your fingernails. What do they taste like, by the way? If it tastes
John Shull 46:19
not, I mean, not really. Unless there's a little chicken wing sauce leftover from dinner or something.
Nick VinZant 46:23
Oh, you could get a little dirt in there. Honestly. What number are we on?
John Shull 46:29
My number three, which is, you know, boring. It's as vanilla as it gets, but it's just a cup.
Nick VinZant 46:37
Okay, my number three is a straw.
John Shull 46:40
Okay, I do not have straw on my list because I can't think of one drink. Maybe outside of a smoothie. that I that I care to have a straw man.
Nick VinZant 46:52
I don't think that you can use a straw for anything under 32 ounces. If I'm buying a 20 ounce or at the gas station, I'm not getting a straw. It's 32 or above. Not getting a straw for a 20 ounce. You're gonna drink that without a lid to be honest with you. Because that's how I live fucking reckless.
John Shull 47:13
Alright, so my number two speaking of without a lid is like a like a fountain pop but with water. Like a fountain cup. Put some ice cubes in there. It just tastes different. It's like you know how people say bout and pop tastes different with a water is the same way it just I don't know what it is. It just tastes delicious. Coming out of like a like a soda pop fountain.
Nick VinZant 47:38
Hmm. Oh, wait a minute. Like you're going to like the gas station or the fast food restaurant. You're filling it up with water in your cup.
John Shull 47:47
There was a point in my life where I was like, Man, that's Wawa water is the best water I've ever had. And that probably says a lot about me so yeah, does
Nick VinZant 47:57
also you waste How much did they charge you for that? Did they charge you full price if you're just getting water?
John Shull 48:01
No, they didn't charge me anything after like the first week they realized I was coming in just to fill up water.
Nick VinZant 48:07
You go in there to Wawa just to get water.
John Shull 48:11
Sometimes Yeah, my way to work on my way to once again
Nick VinZant 48:14
I live bring in copper. Did you get a new cup every time? No. I
John Shull 48:18
mean, I had. They had like recyclable cups. Then they I'm sure they do now they probably have a pro. Everything's recyclable. But it's just like I don't know what it is. It was just I don't know. It was just so goddamn delicious. That water was oh, it was the best Wawa water in Florida if you're listening in Florida or any of the other states that have Wawa. Forget off. Go get some wild wild water. It's amazing
Nick VinZant 48:44
water. I don't know if I've ever had like really good water. Like, oh, that was some good water. I've just like water. I've had people
John Shull 48:53
like recommend water to me. And I'm like, This tastes like shit. Like,
Nick VinZant 48:57
I don't really want it. Did you get recommended?
John Shull 48:59
I mean, probably the last one I can remember was and this is simple. And a lot of people have had it but I don't because I don't buy bottled water was Fuji. I was like this Fuji like shit like this does not taste good. Give me my filtered water from home.
Nick VinZant 49:16
Hmm, I drink mostly just tap water. Well, that's really all I drink is just give me some tap water. I don't need your fancy water.
John Shull 49:25
I mean, they kind of recommend in my area to put it put it through
Nick VinZant 49:32
all rights, right because you live in a great city that doesn't have good water. That's no that's normal. That's good. Good place. My number two is straight out of the container. Straight out of the container right like if it's pop drink it straight out of the two liter of milk straight out of the carton. I swear the drinking thing straight out of the container tastes better.
John Shull 49:54
So that's my number one is kind of like that, but it's out of a jug
Nick VinZant 50:01
All I do like drinking out of a jug
John Shull 50:02
like you know you get the gallon jugs of water. Yeah and you finish it and you're like well I'm drinking my water for the day like I'm good
Nick VinZant 50:12
once you get past like the initial awkwardness of drinking out of the jug of whatever you're trying to drink it's just like I got all this liquid like I got all this drinking straight out of a jugs coming
John Shull 50:24
out both ends tonight's we are getting ready
Nick VinZant 50:28
with the
John Shull 50:31
idea actually, I
Nick VinZant 50:33
think I'm gonna go do this and it's
John Shull 50:34
been a decade since I
Nick VinZant 50:36
couldn't go out both drink out of a jug or give yourself an enema which is what a resounding
John Shull 50:41
BOTH Yeah, I in putting that on my list. I immediately thought like I should be doing that. Anyways, I don't drink hardly enough water
Nick VinZant 50:52
at all. Nobody does.
John Shull 50:54
I mean, yeah, who knows? What's your number one
Nick VinZant 50:58
small cup with ice? Talking about like maybe a 12 ounce cup with ice in there. I think that everything on a 12 ounce cup with ice tastes better than anything else.
John Shull 51:06
So that's similar to like my gas you know my gas station cup with with with fountain with fountain ice and water like you get it? You got it.
Nick VinZant 51:15
But wait a minute when you got the Wawa water. Did you get it with ice? Did you get it with cubed ice you get it with a crushed ice
John Shull 51:22
crushed ice and then was like those little like hail you know a hell balls or whatever. Like the little balls of ice the little ones? So good.
Nick VinZant 51:30
Oh, I thought they were usually square.
John Shull 51:33
I mean, I don't maybe they changed but I move. We need to get Wawa, Wawa on here or what? Well, he's
Nick VinZant 51:41
not a real person.
John Shull 51:42
I know. Why why not? Mr. Wawa.
Nick VinZant 51:46
I wonder how many plays anyway, what do you have anything in your honorable mention?
John Shull 51:50
I mean, the only thing that I have is a Tervis. Just because the fuck is that? If you pour it in there, it stays like if you pour cold water in there, it will stay cold. For hours. It will never
Nick VinZant 52:03
warm. So it's just a bottle. It's a fancy bottle a Tervis you've never heard of a Tervis tumbler? No, I'm not a snob.
John Shull 52:11
I don't like you are what? There's no one. They're not a snobby thing.
Nick VinZant 52:15
They're How much are they?
John Shull 52:16
I mean, I don't. I don't know. Maybe 20 bucks
Nick VinZant 52:21
to drink water. You're gonna pay $20 A drink?
John Shull 52:25
No, it's not just for water. You can, you know, coffee and other drinks.
Nick VinZant 52:31
I'm going to look it up right now and probably get upset how you spell it T U R V I S?
John Shull 52:37
T E R V I S? And then Tumblr is common spelling.
Nick VinZant 52:45
Oh, you're a snob. Insulated drink were unbelievable. Unbelievable. There's another one that's really popular that it has like a Hydroflask Yeah. Hydroflask a lot of people have Hydroflask I don't.
John Shull 53:04
That's the that's the jug looking thing, right?
Nick VinZant 53:07
I don't know, I have a plastic cup that we got to target. I think it was like $20 for 40 of them. I would drink out of a red. So actually, you know could be number one. Solid number one is a red solo cup.
John Shull 53:22
I mean, but no one just drinks water unless you're at a party out of a red solo cup, which is fine. Now that was drinking water out of it. Yeah, no one's drinking water out. Uh
Nick VinZant 53:30
oh. Do you have anything in your honorable mention? No, just the Tervis think about trying to drink water out of your hands next time right. It's a little bit thirst quenching or get some water lap it up in there.
John Shull 53:45
It's hard
Nick VinZant 53:48
to have small hands.
John Shull 53:49
I mean, they're not they're not the biggest hands.
Nick VinZant 53:52
Do you have trouble does it if you make if you make the thing to try to seal in the water right? If you do the thing does the water get out? Or can you seal it up pretty good.
John Shull 54:01
I can seal it up pretty good. I mean, I My hands are like small but they're not like overly large either.
Nick VinZant 54:07
Okay, on a scale of one to 10 How well do you seal up the water? How well do you feel like you do like 10 is nothing to get now you could walk across the desert with that and deliver it to somebody
John Shull 54:18
Oh, oh, well, you're going that extreme. I'm gonna say a four maybe a three.
Nick VinZant 54:24
Oh, I think I can get to at least a seven I could walk a city block I think I could walk a city block with water in my hands and not have very much it would spill out. Maybe not a big city blocks maybe like a city block in a residential area. 100 feet you
John Shull 54:41
have okay 100 feet and I I can still be the bison in a 40 yard dash.
Nick VinZant 54:47
Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps us out and let us know What do you think? Are some of the best ways to drink something? And also, let us know if you think if this is a dumb topic, or actually really interesting, I, I think that little things like this really tell you who someone is. Like, that's how you really find out who people are not in the big stuff because we all kind of have the same priorities and desires when it comes to the big stuff. But the little stuff is what really tells you who somebody is. And John is the kind of guy that's going to stop in the middle of his day and go to the gas station to get water from the fountain. So he is