Her legs are shaking, her stomach is nauseous, and a 150 foot cliff is to her right, but Freeskiing World Champion Jess Hotter couldn’t be happier. We talk Freeskiing, overcoming your fears and hucking your meat. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Mall Stores of All Time.
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Interview with Freeskiing World Champion Jess Hotter
Nick VinZant 0:00
Hi welcome to Profoundly Pointless, my name is Nick VinZant Coming up in this episode skiing and mall store
Jess Hotter 0:19
stores, nervous to the pit of your stomach for like days, up until this point, so like walking up more often than not got jelly legs and like trying to visualize your life but also trying not to puke at the same time. If I make a mistake here, I could end up falling off a 50 metre cliff. So I need to make sure that I am on top of my skiing here and very solid. I think having some really, really gnarly, really big crashes. Definitely makes you reevaluate.
Nick VinZant 0:49
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review, we really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So our first guest is one of the best skiers in the world. This is free Skiing World Champion, Jess hotter, like how is free ride skiing different than the stuff that most people would do? Like they go to the resort. The funny
Jess Hotter 1:22
thing about that is that freeride skiing is that like it doesn't have any boundaries like freeride skiing, skiing with teammates freeride skiing, skiing with your parents freeride skiing skiing in competitively, but it's it's all free ride. Do
Nick VinZant 1:35
you know how did you get into that? Like, how did you start the competition aspect of it.
Jess Hotter 1:39
I used to like do racing as a kid and kind of didn't really fit into that like didn't really, you know, like it was quite, you know, families with a lot of money. We've from a smaller town different vibes here. And also Yeah, it just wasn't like a big fan of like the culture that was behind like the racing as much. And so I would just went out skiing with my mates, I stopped racing and just went out skiing and but I'm still a really competitive person. So I found a way to make what I was doing competitive by going and competing. Is
Nick VinZant 2:13
it viewed differently in the scheme competitive world is it kind of viewed as like, these are the best of the best or is like, Oh, these people
Jess Hotter 2:21
if you're in the like ski competitive world and we're talking like the pot guys and races and stuff. We're kind of like the hippie dippie brothers that smoke weed and like go out skiing and like have fun with our mates. But um, it's not it's not like that. It's I mean, there are people out there that focus their whole their whole lives on on the free ride as well. It's not just it's not just like going out skiing with your mates. But it is. It's a weird, it's a weird thing where you're always trying to push yourself and it helps to be skiing with your mates and pushing yourself. But But yeah, I think other people view us as like, oh, yeah, that's what you do after like, you retire from like Park or, you know, but I think there's a lot more, I think there's a lot more creativity to be had, and freeride. Because it's not all about throwing the most hectic spend. You can it's about style, it's about being able to actually ski really well. It's about like combining freeriders combining like freestyle and alpine and putting it all together on a gnarly face.
Nick VinZant 3:21
So if you just use the like, how does the competition work, usually
Jess Hotter 3:25
visual inspection so and on the Freeride World Tour, it's visual inspection only. So you don't get to ski the face before you do it, where you compete on it. So you have a whole day where you sit at the bottom of the face, looking at it with binoculars, and you choosing your line. And basically just trying to visualize yourself actually skiing that line. And then on the day, you hike up to the top of the face and you get told when to go and you go, Oh, you got to walk up there more often than not Yeah,
Nick VinZant 3:52
like how far we usually talk. And this seems like a lot of work,
Jess Hotter 3:54
I walk really slow so that I don't that I'm warmed up, but I'm not tired. I don't want to make my legs sore or tie them out. So I walk super slow. And I think my longest was maybe an hour and a half, maybe to the
Nick VinZant 4:10
top. Maybe this is just me not being familiar with it. But is that intimidating in the sense that I'm going to ski this mountain that I've never skied before. I've only kind of looked at from the bottom of it and I gotta get down this thing.
Jess Hotter 4:24
Oh, you're you've been like nervous. So it's like, nervous to the pit of your stomach for like days, up until this point. So like walking up more often than not got jelly legs and like trying to visualize your line but also trying not to puke at the same time.
Nick VinZant 4:39
I would imagine though, but when you visualize the line on it, right? There's usually what you thought it would be or as you're going down, you're like, Oh, that's not what I thought that was gonna be like,
Jess Hotter 4:48
more often than not, you're just like, yeah, you're making decisions on the fly. So you've got to really make sure you've done a really, really good inspection so that you hopefully don't end up with too many of those situations. We're like, holy crap, this looks different. But I've definitely been in that situation where something has looked incredibly different skiing it than it has looked at look like from the bottom. Because you can't. And some of that, like in those qualifiers. I don't know whether they're doing it now, but they weren't doing drone photos, they'll give you photos of the face, but they wouldn't do like, on top of drone photos. So you might see something from the bottom and it looks like a cliff. But from the top, there might be a wall on the other side of that, and you think you can take off it, but you can't
Nick VinZant 5:29
see when you see it, like are there times that you might stop? Oh, because like, oh, you get there and you're like, oh, wait a minute, I can't go that way, I thought I could, but now I can't know.
Jess Hotter 5:39
So usually, usually you want that run to be as fluid as possible. So you don't want to be stopping. So hopefully, your inspection has been really, really top, like, top notch and you are not You're not coming across anything that you're freaked out by or anything that like stops you in your tracks. But you know, when I was learning to do visual inspection, and my first competition, I ended up like on top of this, the slump that I was like, I don't know where I am, I think I've taken the wrong entrance into whatever I was trying to hit. And I made the decision to stop and ski off to the side of it. And I'm really glad I did. Because if I had like, sent it off the end of this, like this little wrench that I was on top of, I probably would have gone 30 foot to like dead flat, and it would have probably I probably would have need myself in the face really hard at a bare minimum, could have been an awful lot worse. So it's like, you have to make these decisions on the fly and hope that you're making the right decision. So if you're not sure about something, generally you're like, Ah, maybe I won't send myself off that because it could mean real badly.
Nick VinZant 6:45
If you were to put a percentage on it, in terms of like, okay, what percentage of times does this run that I go on workout? Exactly like I thought it was going to be? What percentage of times like, oh, wow, this is nothing like I thought it was gonna be
Jess Hotter 6:58
for me exactly how I thought it was going to maybe 50%. The rest you're like, oh, that's different. Oh, oh, I need to air a little bit. You know, I need to like pre Ollie. That's more than I thought, well, there's always something that comes up where you're just doing it on the fly, or you're like, oh, there's heavy debris. Ah, you know, you're just figuring it out.
Nick VinZant 7:19
So then are they in the competition, right? Are there some people that like they're a great skier, but they can't evaluate the run for anything,
Jess Hotter 7:26
you definitely need to be good at both. You need to be good at thinking on the fly. And you could be an amazing, amazing skier. But unless you have the, like the trust in yourself to be like, No, I know that this is safe. I know that I have like done a good inspection. And that this, this goes that doesn't go. You know, like if something goes wrong, you can like make up a make up a decision on the fly to do something else. Because if you've done a good enough inspection, if you miss something like if you if you learn something, you're going too quickly, and you blow by another feature, you have to be able to put something else together. And that is part of it as well. Like you need to be able to make those decisions on the fly. That's really important. Will
Nick VinZant 8:04
you ever have skiers that maybe are professional skiers and other disciplines? And then they try to come over? And they're like, Oh, I can't do that. Oh,
Jess Hotter 8:11
yeah, there's, there's actually like a bit of a running joke within the park community. And I'm pretty sure a few people have said this, I like, oh, free ride, it doesn't look that hard. It looks pretty easy. I'll just go on the free ride tour. And I'll go and go and like, excuse my language, but I'll gonna fuck it up. And I'm gonna go and do amazingly and crush it. And then a lot of those athletes get out there and the unknown like, Oh, just kidding, this is really hard. So a lot, you know, some people think that it's super easy, you know, looking at somebody's ski that face but what you know, what you forget is like that person's skiing for the first time. They've only looked at it through some binoculars is changing snow conditions. It's not you know, it's all different variables, all changing all the time, in the snow can change from like, from like one meter over there to one meter over there can be completely different. So that's all things that you have to be able to manage as a skier and a more well rounded skier. Somebody who say doesn't just write a certain type of skiing is going to do better because they can deal with all of those different changing variables. And that's why people who ski park but also ski out around in the resort will do really good and freeride because they have the tracks and are really solid on their tracks, but they can also ski really well.
Nick VinZant 9:34
So hold your feet to the fire. Would you say that this type of skier is the best skier?
Jess Hotter 9:39
I would say yes, they're the best all round skiers, because you could throw a face you could throw any face at a freeride skier and they'd figure out how to get down it whereas somebody who purely skis park there are a lot of park skiers who actually are not very like solid technical skiers and racers who also don't spend a lot of time like jumping off stuff. So it's like the it's like an amalgamation of like all of those things.
Nick VinZant 10:06
Everything's comes together, right? That's kind of the whole thing. So when you look at kind of the mountains that you guys are skiing, are these generally pretty dangerous mountains to ski? Like, are these hard mountains to ski? Or like? No, you know, that's not that difficult.
Jess Hotter 10:21
If I was not, there are some of those faces that if I was competing, not competing on them, I could quite happily ski down them. Like for myself, I could find a safe way down them very easily. That I wouldn't be scared. But because you're putting in a competition setting, and there is a requirement to jump off things. That's when things get difficult and scary and pretty hard. But like the victor Ross, that is, the final space for the Freeride World Tour is a scary face to stand up the top of it's not a face that you stand up there and just go, Oh, I could just easily get done this. It's like, okay, if I make a mistake, even just skiing down on, you know, everyday skiing with your mates, if I make a mistake here, I could end up falling off a 50 metre cliff. So I need to make sure that I am on top of my skiing here and very
Nick VinZant 11:13
solid. Does this kind of translate into other areas? A lot
Jess Hotter 11:17
of free, right? Yeah, it definitely does. For sure. A lot of freeride athletes. You know, as they as they kind of transition out of competing, there are a lot of athletes that then go towards more like mountaineering, ski mountaineering and doing like first descents and things like that. So like, it's definitely like having those skills to get down those faces is incredibly important, because some of the faces that mountain here's the skiing are pretty messed up, you know, like very, very scary stuff. In the managing like ice falls and rock falls and Avalanche conditions and all kinds of stuff.
Nick VinZant 11:57
Are you ready for some harder slash listener submitted questions? Yeah. What is the last time you felt getting off of a ski lift? Probably
Jess Hotter 12:05
when I was on a snowboard, to be honest. I think the closest I've come to messing up getting off the lift though, in the last kind of five years or so. I fell asleep on the chairlift at work when I was ski patrolling it terrible car. I don't know if I should be reading this. But yeah, I put my head down, I hit the bar down and fell asleep. And I woke up when my feet hit the ground and then you know at the top and so I had to like panic, panic, get the bar off if you get it, get the bar up and then like jumped off while it was in the air just about to go around the ball wheel but you know, not as a ski patroller you get jogged you get essentially over beers if you do stupid stuff at work. So that would have got me a job. So I jumped off the left and was fine, but it was pretty close.
Nick VinZant 12:52
To anybody see it? Only
Jess Hotter 12:54
the left day. Thank God,
Nick VinZant 12:56
what's your favorite place to ski?
Jess Hotter 12:58
It depends on the snow conditions and what I am looking for but spring skiing 100% Repay who like where I grew up is the best. I can't show you right now because the curtains there but behind me is the mountain and they have the best spring skiing I've ever had. Treble cone is like a New Zealand is incredible for like all around. Good New Zealand skiing like powder. It's got some gnarly stuff. It's got fun stuff. It's really really cool. And overseas, I think for just general gnarliness Where you get off the lift and it's just like insane terrain is Verbier. In Switzerland, so that was that was pretty mind blowing going there and being like my first run of the season. I have to go above a no fall zone. So it was my friend was taking me along traverse and Atropa traverse and she's like, You can't fall here. If you fall you die. Oh, great. Cool. Yeah, I'm really ready for this. I think for powder Canada, in general is pretty sick.
Nick VinZant 14:03
What's the holy grail of this? Like, what's the thing that everybody's kind of like? Oh, I want to do that. That's that's that's the thing. Oh,
Jess Hotter 14:12
oh, Alaska.
Nick VinZant 14:15
I think there was no hesitation about that. Right? Yeah. No, I
Jess Hotter 14:19
think everybody wants to ski Alaska lines at some stage. Because you know, you see it in the ski movies. Those guys are skiing the most incredible faces. And yeah, I think I think that's everybody kind of everybody like was a little bit of you wants to go to Alaska and ski Berg lines and Alaska. Is
Nick VinZant 14:37
that just because of like the quality of the snow? It hasn't been done before. They're just that steeper and deeper or like, what is it about it?
Jess Hotter 14:44
I think it's the quality of the snow and the faces. So there's a lot of spines there that things that don't usually they don't always set up in different areas in the world. You know, it's something that like Alaska is known for is their spine skiing. And that's what everybody like as far as to, to be able to do that, because they need a certain amount of snow for that to happen.
Nick VinZant 15:04
The spine what's the spine? spines
Jess Hotter 15:06
are essentially like, how do I describe them? If you look at a mountain face, it kind of looks like curtains kind of looks like curtains. Yeah, you're like you look at a crazy, crazy steep face. And the snow like sloughs down by itself, it's usually quite steep and the snow will like effort, you know, at the snow will like kind of self manage itself a lot of the time. I mean, it will avalanche at times as well. But like, it's quite steep. It looks like curtains. And it's just like the most incredible skiing like, powder Stape. Sunshine big wide open, like the big faces. It's just what people dream of.
Nick VinZant 15:49
Now, why is the snow condition so important?
Jess Hotter 15:52
The snow, the snow is super important, especially up on those up on those really steep faces. Because if you got up there, and you came across just sheet ice and you're on a face like that, the good luck staying up there, you're going to be sliding to the bottom really, really quickly. And it's not going to be good. Those faces are like, I can't even think how many hundreds of meters it'd be like, like 1500 2000 foot faces. Maybe more? I don't really that would be about right. Yeah, easily, easily like some of those faces like 500 meters vert, easily. And imagine if you fell at the top, you would slide slash Tomahawk slash tumble all the way to the bottom, and you'd be really messed up. So the snow conditions are super important. So that doesn't happen.
Nick VinZant 16:41
Powder is better why? Powder
Jess Hotter 16:44
actually slows you down quite a lot. Slug powder is slower to skater than like skiing on sheet ice. So and you can control your turns, you're able to make make proper turns, you're able to slow down and bleed speed. You have control, you have more control, essentially.
Nick VinZant 17:02
What is your favorite skiing lingo? What is your least favorite skin lingo?
Jess Hotter 17:08
Oh, I do like having your meat or checking your carcass. Those are pretty good.
Nick VinZant 17:15
Chucking your caucus is good, especially with the accent.
Jess Hotter 17:17
You know, if you're talking about somebody, and they're like, Man, I forgot the meat today. That means they just like, seem to it off everything and just chucked themselves off stuff, which is pretty, pretty fun. Like it very, it can also like bring, bring, like the mental image of somebody just chucking themselves or something not really giving a crap about the landing and just maybe just blowing up and sometimes writing up and more often than not, not really getting out of it.
Nick VinZant 17:45
So is it a is it a compliment? Or an insult? Or a little bit of both?
Jess Hotter 17:50
Kind of somewhere in between? Yeah.
Nick VinZant 17:53
It depends on the it depends on the outcome, I guess.
Jess Hotter 17:56
Yeah. Or how can pry? How can price pretty good? Like it's Yeah, that's a good one, too. Yeah. And I do a lot of that. So
Nick VinZant 18:03
what would you say is kind of your general style? Like, do you feel like you're more cautious than other people? Are you kind of like, I'm just gonna go for it and see what happens.
Jess Hotter 18:10
It depends on the day, some days really like feeling it and you're like, I'm just gonna frickin go for it, see what happens. And just, you just seen that. But then there are other times when you're just like, feeling incredibly cautious or not super solid on your skis, or yeah, there's like times when you're just not quite feeling it as much and that's when you're way more cautious. But I think it I think a lot of it's like the vibe that you have with your group of like the group that you're skiing with. One of my bass like one of my most like memorable progression sessions where I've like felt like I learned a lot all in the space of a couple of hours was when I was up at the summit of treble cone and the end it was like a fresh power morning. We had exclusive access to the summit before everybody else and we were filming. And I watched Zoe, I don't know if you know, Zoe Sadowski she's a really really she's like at the top of female snowboarding right now. She's an absolute badass Kiwi girl. She chucked a backflip off one of the off one of the rocks and I was like, Is today the day I tried I was like, Screw it. I'm gonna do it. And I did it landed it and was like, fuck yeah. All right, let's go again and went off the bigger one. There was like a big a diving board and I was like, I'm just gonna go for it. Let's do it. And yeah, landed my backflip off the first time and I was like this okay, this is sick, like, and it's all about the vibe and like the people cheering you on and the hype I feel like is a huge, huge part of it.
Nick VinZant 19:39
Is it a thing though? We're like that can bite you in the ass? Yes.
Jess Hotter 19:42
Yeah. Actually, I got hyped up by like one of the one of the frames up a mountain cardies this season. And right at the end of the season, I was kind of having a more chill day and I was like God softening up nicely, but I don't know if I'm feeling trying to cook 70 Getting today. Because I've been trying to learn cork sevens the season. And my first attempt, I hit my head really hard. And then my second attempts, I had a really good day and then this would have been like the third day try. And I was like, No, I think I'm just gonna chill and then buddy came up and was like, Oh, you're gonna try cork seven. It's so good today, you should definitely do it. And I was like, no, no, I'm just chilling. And then I got on the chairlift and was like, hyping myself up was like, Ah, fuck, I'm gonna try it again. And then I tore I tore the grade to tore the ligament tore the MCL on my knee and grade one PCL and tibial. Plateau bone bruising. So sometimes you get that high pop, and sometimes it doesn't pay off. Can
Nick VinZant 20:40
you pinpoint the difference? Like why today? Do I feel good? And I'm skiing good. And then why tomorrow? Am I just like, it's just not, it's just not there. For me.
Jess Hotter 20:50
A lot of it's conditions for me. It's like having Yeah, in New Zealand, especially, there's only a select number of days, you're not going to get a powder every day. And a power day is when you like try stuff, you don't try and push yourself and you learn new things. But you know, we don't get that every day. So when we do get those power days, a lot of the time we're really really hyped up in New Zealand, we're like, yo, let's do it. Bye. But then, you know, and then there's those days when it's not as good or you haven't gone up with the intention of trying something because it is like quite a lot of pressure to put us to put that on yourself to be like, I'm gonna try something today that really scares me. So like, when you haven't mentally prepared for that, sometimes it's not, you know, it's not worth doing it. When I was growing up with the cork seven, I was I was planning that like, two days in advance.
Nick VinZant 21:39
How do you know the difference between like, okay, maybe I need to push myself a little bit. Like, I need to push myself, I need to get out of the comfort zone versus like, Oh, I'm not ready for this. Like, I shouldn't do this.
Jess Hotter 21:50
That is the golden question right there. It's preparation. It's sometimes you don't know. And sometimes you do know and, and that's when you like, get help from other people. When you're like, Okay, you've seen me trying to do, let's say, my caucus evens the season, they're like, Okay, you've seen me doing my caucus evens on the trampoline? What do you think? And some people will be like, yep, you have 100%. Got it, you should just chuck it, go for it. And then other people will be like, actually, I think you can control them better. I think we can work on your cork sevens on the trampoline more so that when you do go and try and do it on skis, you don't end up upside down and in a really unsafe place. Like you need to know where you are. So taking all of that feedback, and then try to find a middle ground to figure out if you think that you're at that level and ready to try it. And whether you're hyped up enough to do that. So that's kind of what I was doing the season was trying to figure out that line.
Nick VinZant 22:47
Do you think that you generally push yourself more? Or do you hold yourself back more?
Jess Hotter 22:54
Oh, I think I think lately, I've been holding myself back a little bit more than I want. And I think that's come from circle back around to that tomahawk. I think some of that, I think having some really, really gnarly, really big crashes. Definitely makes you reevaluate the decisions you're making. And whether you feel comfortable and feel safe doing things. So that's kind of what that's my current mental space is trying to figure out. You know, I was trying to get back into that really hyped up really excited really push myself vibe more often. Because I'm finding I'm stepping back a little bit more often than I was. So
Nick VinZant 23:41
this is one of your winning runs. Yeah. So where is where I'll pause it really quick. So like, where is this? What are you kind of thinking coming into this?
Jess Hotter 23:52
Yeah, so coming into this, I was incredibly nervous. The snow conditions that day were, we were wanting them to soften. So it was kind of they hadn't been very much snow in Europe. And we're essentially running like, pretty crusty kind of all over the place snow, especially if you were kind of going into the more sunny faces. They were going to be starting out pretty icy. So my face the face that I juggle where I've chosen to have my run my line was way more out in the sunshine. So I really wanted that to be getting the sun on it and to end with the to run format that day. It meant that our first run was going to be pretty damn I see. So the girls were the first to drop that day I believe the female skiers and I can't remember what number I dropped in the group whether I whether I dropped in first or not. But yeah, dropping into that device was pretty hectic. So
Nick VinZant 24:52
I mean to me, like looking at it like oh, okay, I didn't look that bad. Right but like is This is much different in real life than it appears even on this. Yeah,
Jess Hotter 25:04
right here. I'm thinking fuck I better make this turn excuse my language but I bet I better make this turn because this is right at the beginning. Because if you go directly to stop it, they're just to my right there is a cliff called Eagle I think it is. If I fell off the side there, it would have been game over. So I had to make onto this traverse track those first two turns were incredibly important.
Nick VinZant 25:33
Now what everybody take a little bit of a different line. Yep.
Jess Hotter 25:37
Yeah, a lot of people choose different lines. Some people choose really similar lines. This right here, I'm going into the Loisel cliff. And this was opened up I think by Stefan hosel. He's a Austrian freeride skier. Think essentially fun. Yeah, anyways, real sixth gear. Super icy right there.
Nick VinZant 26:00
How fast are you going through here?
Jess Hotter 26:03
Oh, I wouldn't actually know the speed. But all I know is I'm trying to hang on as much as possible because the snow was super icy. Right here. I get a little bit backseat. You can see there I just about loads up. My hand comes across the front of me. And there's a lot of like little chunks of heavy debris, especially right here skiing out of this, but he had his little chunks of heavy debris in shift everywhere. So that that there was pretty
Nick VinZant 26:26
scary. It doesn't look like there's that much snow. No,
Jess Hotter 26:30
you can see old tracks in it. If you look carefully, there's spots where you can see other people's old tracks. The best. Yeah, yeah, the best note this is really crusty where I'm skiing here. So here I was thinking just stay on your feet. My legs were really tired at this point. And I was like, I just need to stay on my feet. I need to be careful because it's really crusty snow. And then off this I definitely did not go fast enough kind of landed on that bush. But out here so the bottom of your run. You're just like, I just have to make it to the bottom. I just you can't crash now you can't crash. Now you just have to get to the bottom. Oh my God, my legs hurt. My legs hurt. I'm hurt. This is all that's going through my head. It's like I just need to get to the gates. I just need to get to the gates. My legs are sore.
Nick VinZant 27:13
Oh, it's way up there. Right like this is up above anything else. Yeah,
Jess Hotter 27:20
this is yeah. So we hiked up to this one. This was probably about a 15 minute 15 minute hike an hour's hike for me being slow. So just here out of the starting gate. It's really, really shocking underneath the snow. So you're trying to be light on your feet. So I was just thinking light on my feet light on my feet. I had no time to prepare for that run.
Nick VinZant 27:38
How far down is that first like verb right here to like where you're gonna lay it How far would you say that is that you just skate through it? That's
Jess Hotter 27:45
actually not a cliff.
Nick VinZant 27:46
Oh, it's not. It's so different. It looks so different when you see it.
Jess Hotter 27:50
Yeah, it's sort of a cliff, but you can just skate. I guess I did pop over it. It's just little. So here. I'm like, oh, what where's the entrance? Oh, yep, there it is. Jeez, that was quick. That came up really fast. Okay, go slow. Avoid the rocks. And then turn off here, right here. Yep. Man, it was like sweet. Okay, one turn. Oh, shit. Oh shit. I'm too low. I'm too low. Just made it to the cliff. I'm going to crash here because I just landed on a tree. I was in the air going. There's no way I'm gonna make that somehow skied through the tree. And then here I started telling myself I was like, keep going keep going. Don't slow down be fluid be like Director Comey be like Director Comey don't stop and hit that cliff. And then at the bottom, I was just like, Yeah, but as you come into that shade line, it instantly turns to flat light.
Nick VinZant 28:39
Yeah, I didn't realize that was that steep when they zoom out? You can really see it. Like, alright, I'm watching this like, that looks steep. And then they zoom out like Whoa,
Jess Hotter 28:48
it's honestly not as steep I think is what is what it looks it would be better and maybe in the better in the GoPro. Yeah, just here as you hit the shade line. You couldn't see anything because it was dead flat. It was like flat light. Super early in the morning, just after sunrise. So I skied into it being like, I really hope there's nothing that I had here to blow up my run at the bottom, but I can't see. So the funny the funny thing about that, um, that day that went and ran and Fieberbrunn was because it was a two run day. I went and did my first run was the winning run. And my second run was that heinous Tomahawk
Nick VinZant 29:29
Oh, god, yeah. But if you but you don't know like you couldn't just back out was like, No, I think I got this. I'm not gonna do this second one.
Jess Hotter 29:37
I could have. There's one athlete that did Andrew Pollard. He came down and was like, he finished his first run. He's like, Nope, that's the best I can see that face. I'm not going and doing it again. And the you know, so he decided to stay stay down the bottom whereas the rest of us decided to go back for round two. And to be honest, like you do one run and you're pretty cooked. So then you go on He's pretty much over. Yeah, like you got him for round two and you need to be, it needs to be reasonably good conditions. It's pretty hectic.
Nick VinZant 30:06
So where's this?
Jess Hotter 30:08
That's in Canada? Man that looks steep. That was deep. That was my first time skiing like many spines and then tomahawk.
Nick VinZant 30:19
Oh, what happened? I mean, like how
Jess Hotter 30:23
I have a habit of landing too far forward. I'm not very used to landing and powder as much because like, we don't really have as much in New Zealand. So I'm used to landing a little bit like a little bit more for point on the front, and I just did that the ladder too far forward, straight over the boss.
Nick VinZant 30:40
Now, how did you try to stop yourself when that happens? Like, is there something you can do to like, Okay, I gotta get this under control or you just hope and pray your hope
Jess Hotter 30:50
and pray. If you if your Tomahawk and there's nothing you can do. You just have to let it play out. Did you get hurt? And this one? No, as long as wait.
Nick VinZant 30:58
No, looking back on it. Would you say that? This is the kind of thing like, oh, you know what? Looking back on it. Maybe this was too much for me, huh?
Jess Hotter 31:06
No, I think it I think it was definitely pushing my boundaries. It was learning it was learning for sure. I think it was a good face to learn on. On my first run, I actually posted up in one spot and stopped for a little bit. And I did land that cliff once on the second on that on that time. I didn't though. But I did skate and landed I just skied at slower and didn't make it look as good.
Nick VinZant 31:30
That's in the Canadian Rockies. Yeah, so
Jess Hotter 31:33
that's up near golden. And we're just filming we're doing some filming last season for the head, the head movie. And for blanc as well. So it was kind of like jewel footage. That was just like a really fun cruising line down the face was really pretty nice in the sunshine.
Nick VinZant 31:49
This looks like really good conditions. Yeah,
Jess Hotter 31:53
this was actually crashed at the end. That was super, super nice. No, we got really lucky with this trip. So golden hadn't had a lot of snow. There was actually the same same trip and golden. So this is some of the more like pillow skiing, pillow skiing stuff. But yeah, that like the whole season, they hadn't had a lot of snow that was really sketchy conditions. They had lots and lots of fastening, which was super dangerous. And this was at the end of the like near the near the end of the season when things have started to like mellow out and the snowpack and we got like this really lucky 10 centimeters of snow. Like each day, we'd ski in the morning, and then in the afternoon, it would like some afternoon evening it would snow like 1015 centimeters. And then so after a few days, like these problems were on and it was so fun.
Nick VinZant 32:44
That's pretty much all the questions I got. Is there anything you think we missed? Or what's kind of coming up next for you? How can people get a hold of you.
Jess Hotter 32:51
Um, so for the next little bit, I'm heading back over to Canada to hopefully do some more filming. Previously, I've been working with blanc collective and we've created a couple ski movies. So go check those out if you get the chance. And also the heads head freeskiing unified movies pretty sick this year. We really like he'd released their first team movie this year. So it's super, super sick. Yeah, so hopefully just heading back over to Canada. During some more filming, I'll jump back into the qualifier competitions at the end of the season, and just be genuinely getting after it. But if you want to check anything out, just check out like the Freeride World tours, website and pages, the Freeride World qualifiers and my personal Instagram is just how to ski. I
Nick VinZant 33:39
want to thank Jess so much for joining us if you want to connect with her, we have linked to her on our social media accounts. We're Profoundly Pointless on tik, Tok, Instagram and YouTube. And we've also included her information in the episode description. If you want to see more of some of the skiing that we talked about the YouTube version of this interview will be live on December 14 at 12:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of the show. Do you prefer a buffet or a food court?
John Shull 34:14
I think my my answer has changed as I've gotten older. And my younger days, it would have been a buffet as much as I can eat. Just keep dishing it out like now with a food court. I feel I feel that would be my answer now because what's the old adage? It was quantity over quality when I was younger. As I get older, it's quality over quantity now, I
Nick VinZant 34:38
actually completely agree with that. I really thought that you were gonna say buffet overall and I would have gone buffet, probably all throughout my 20s and maybe my early part of my 30s but now I would say food court I appreciate a food court much more because you can still get various different things But you don't have to go in like all in. The only
John Shull 35:02
problem with either of those things is the pandemic kind of killed off most, most good food courts in my area,
Nick VinZant 35:12
it's harder to find a good buffet than it was a couple of years ago. I would also say that my cheat now, the only exception that I would make a sushi buffet, if there's sushi buffet, that's no question in my mind. Like I'm going for that. That's the most money I'm willing to spend on a buffets for sushi buffet. Anything else? I'm not spending over $15
John Shull 35:29
I'm quite impressed that you eat sushi.
Nick VinZant 35:32
Oh, I love it. I love it.
John Shull 35:34
Okay, okay. Um, I don't even know I'm I'm flabbergasted by that with your childish eating habits. But sushi is amazing. So yeah,
Nick VinZant 35:44
dude, I don't understand. I feel like you're taking a shot at me there. I don't really much appreciate it.
John Shull 35:48
I mean, well, if anyone views the video of this, I look like a seven year old little boy who just came in from playing outside in the snow. So why
Nick VinZant 35:56
would you need to wear a hat like that inside? I have never understood why you would need to wear that inside.
John Shull 36:02
I mean, I don't need to wear it inside. I'm wearing it for this recording. Because I want to and I'm you know, it's a it's a statement piece. You know what I mean? It's like, Oh, okay. Detroit Lions baby Super Bowl winners. Let's go. Have they ever won a Super Bowl? Have never even been to the Super Bowl. Okay, so
Nick VinZant 36:21
probably shouldn't say Super Bowl winners. Oh, I have results of our poll. I have the results. Sorry to interrupt you. Yes. 63 63% of people said they prefer a buffet over a food court. I would imagine that that is a younger audience. I do think that the older audience would go food court over buffet.
John Shull 36:38
Yeah, I would. I would definitely agree with your assessment of our demographic there. i But then again, you stick me in a buffet setting and I'm hungry.
Nick VinZant 36:48
I mean, what do you think's gonna happen? I would rather have a really crappy buffet than a really good dinner. Yes,
John Shull 36:55
I would rather have a crappy buffet option for $15 or more than a nice meal. All right. Shout outs here to the people that matter not you and I, James Scott, Vince Leary. Ed Russell Kailyn Midwood, Uri Mendoza, Sam Miko and that's a Miko not Michael, I have to make sure I say that. Jorge suns con Connie Rabbani. Bonnie. She's actually a fantastic person, but her name does happen rhymes. So I mean it is
Nick VinZant 37:35
that's got to be tough when you have a name that rhymes. Like you would
John Shull 37:39
think that like my name would be one that people wouldn't mess up, but it always gets messed up. And there's a little bit of a rant like John Shal. John show. Like your name is kind of scary, too, because I think a lot of people say VinZant or VinZant. Do you get a lot of vans dance. I
Nick VinZant 37:58
get a lot of vans and my name is Vi N Zant. But I think that there were some famous people who are Van Zandt. And so everybody just corrects it to that, because your brain just goes to the category it automatically just groups everything into the category and it's in that category. You're one of them.
John Shull 38:13
And by one of them, you mean peoples who names rhyme? No
Nick VinZant 38:17
people like if okay, I know that. Like once I think that somebody once your brain is able to put something in a category it's going to just put it in there regardless of where it is. So even though my name is VinZant it gets put in the Van Zandt category.
John Shull 38:30
Okay, yeah, all right, Van Van Zandt and see that's how it goes. It's just I actually have I have you in my phone still is Van Zandt? Believe it or not? Is it still misspelled? Probably, yes. Just not gonna change it.
Nick VinZant 38:47
And stuff like that. If you and your somebody's phone number into your account contacts, do you put the one in front of their area code?
John Shull 38:54
I do not know.
Nick VinZant 38:55
I do. I put the one in front of the area code as to start like one. Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
John Shull 39:03
Yeah, I don't just because I mean, what's what's the point? I also have a house phone. So
Nick VinZant 39:09
can you you do have a landline? Which is ridiculous. Can you give me the cadence that you use when saying your phone number? Give me the cadence so I go like Sure. 321-407-2526 What is your phone number cadence?
John Shull 39:27
249-557-4673 Huh,
Nick VinZant 39:33
okay, okay, that's that's kind of the same but a little bit different. I think people have different phone number cadences. Okay. Anyway, I
John Shull 39:39
actually think it's kind of interesting to believe it or not, I will. Yeah. Anyways, let's end this. Bill Creighton, Marian Varga and Samuel Byas. Appreciate, okay,
Nick VinZant 39:51
I like a URI. I like a URI. A URI never had a problem with a URI.
John Shull 39:58
All right, well, so these bang arrows here came from an inebriated afternoon, couple days ago. So we'll see how these go. Who is the more overrated actor playing a Christmas personality? It'll make sense once I get to America Will Ferrell as elf, Jim Carrey as the Grinch, or Chevy Chase out of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. National
Nick VinZant 40:24
I mean, Chevy Chase made his own character so I think that he gets a pass in that regard. Jim Carrey is perfect for the Grinch. And I've just never really liked Will Ferrell. I don't really like any Christmas movies. I could care less about any Christmas movies. I don't care about Christmas movies. I don't want to see Christmas movies. I don't like Christmas movies. I think it's what you do when you don't like it's it's pandering to me. I don't like it at all. Because they're not good. They're just like, I'll put Christmas in it. And then we'll make it crappy. And everyone will be like, well, it's
John Shull 40:57
Christmas. Feel like you could say that for any seasonal movie? I mean, there are some, you know, as I'm trying to think like, It's a Wonderful Life is good. As a good message, I think to me, it's like anything, it's after the originals have been made. And then everyone else tries to piggyback off of that, by oh, let's have It's A Wonderful Life. Part Two. Like you can't do that. Or it's a Christmas story. It's a Christmas Story story or something like, Come on, man. All right, well, we can choose to have fun with this one, or you can shut it down. I feel like you're going to shut it down. But we'll try it anyways. You have to kill one, marry one, and be in a relationship only with one obviously that excludes an elf, Santa Claus, or a reindeer?
Nick VinZant 41:46
Well, I mean, I'm gonna kill the reindeer. Because otherwise it's gonna get real weird. Real fast. So yeah, kill the reindeer. I mean, you're gonna dip into the elf, right? Like, why not try it? Right? Like it's you have a couple India. It's probably like some kind of thing. Just venture down that road and never talk about it again. So you marry Santa Claus. Probably a very pleasant, pleasant person. What are you going to do?
John Shull 42:12
I had it in my mind that I was probably going to kill off Santa. Because he can't be that happy and jolly. I would probably marry the reindeer because that's just get out of the way. And then I don't have to worry about you talking anymore. I don't have to you know I can we'll just feed you. And you'll just stay out in the yard. Like I can
Nick VinZant 42:32
live in the house. You're gonna have sex with a reindeer? No.
John Shull 42:35
We'll get it out of the way. That's not let's not let's not you know, let's not go let's not make it creepy. Hear I'm you know, that's just
Nick VinZant 42:44
there's no let let there's no us in making it creepy. That was just you. You didn't think this through at all? Why wouldn't you just kill the rain? Because
John Shull 42:54
the other two are they talk? Right? Like they're like they have to live with you. The reindeer who I would prefer you know, just because I married the reindeer doesn't have to mean that we have you know, do anything.
Nick VinZant 43:06
You adapt to explain to people why you're married to a reindeer. And I think my
John Shull 43:11
reasoning would be fine. Like it doesn't talk. It's sits out in the yard. I don't have to worry about you know, yelling at me complaining. I don't have to cook dinner.
Nick VinZant 43:22
I mean, I kind of understand but like, No, I'm not. I get it. I get what you're trying to go for. Right like I get it. But yeah, it's just kill the reindeer. That's much easier.
John Shull 43:36
I mean, if I have to, you know, get on with with one of these creatures, then obviously you kill the reindeer. I have a one off a Santa and I married the elf.
Nick VinZant 43:48
And we never did specify was a female alpha male.
John Shull 43:53
I mean, listen, I don't I didn't either. I guess either, or, I suppose.
Nick VinZant 43:59
No, I think that you marry Santa. I mean, you're not going to be that nice and have a bad many other problems. Yeah.
John Shull 44:09
Okay, but that seemed a lot better. Like when I was discussing it after a few beers. Maybe? Maybe it is still a fun question. I don't know.
Nick VinZant 44:17
I have always been fascinated by the idea that like it really just depends on whenever you ask someone a question or ask a group a question. It just completely depends whether that's a work setting a personal setting, how the first person answers it, whichever way that that person goes, sets, the set of standard of your question was stupid or good. And you could ask the same question in a different setting and it's brilliant. You ask it in this setting, and some of the first person goes negative with it and you're doomed.
John Shull 44:45
Yeah, or it's like the lemming effect. One person answers one way and then everyone. Oh, yeah, well, I'll write that in that like, it's like
Nick VinZant 44:53
we talked about earlier. What now it's in the category. Once it's put in a category now it's in the category
John Shull 44:59
It's you know, it's yeah, it's yeah. Anyways, I'm still thinking about really?
Nick VinZant 45:04
Yeah, you've why you wouldn't marry and reindeer. Okay. Whenever do you live your life?
John Shull 45:10
Let me live my life. Alright. Have a I have a question more? It's more of a question to ask. I think I know the answer, but I want to get your opinion on it. Say you haven't put up Christmas lights? And it's two weeks before Christmas. Is that is it? Should you have the mentality of it's never too late? Or should you just scrap it and go on to next year?
Nick VinZant 45:38
It's, it's never too late unless it is within one week of Christmas. If it's within one week of Christmas, and you haven't done it, and there hasn't been some kind of extemporaneous reason like you lost a family member, or you got stuck in Antarctica or something like that. I think you can go ahead and put them up. But if it's within one week of Christmas, then there's no reason that you just have to keep them down. Like you messed up, right? You can't show up to the game in the fourth quarter without warming up and think you're gonna get to play. You just skip the whole game, right? Don't show up at work at 445 and be like I'm here.
John Shull 46:15
When you're five,
Nick VinZant 46:16
right? Yep, I agree. You shepherds.
John Shull 46:19
Alright. That's it, man. Let's move on. That's
Nick VinZant 46:23
it. Okay, so our top five is top five mall stores. And these are the most iconic stores? Like do you remember the stores at the mall? Specifically? Right? You know, you think about the mall. You think about these kinds of places? What's your number five.
John Shull 46:39
So there was surprisingly was a ton. There's a lot when you think about it, of stores that started off as mall exclusive. And then they tried branching out. Usually most of these places I'm going to talk about weren't very successful outside of malls, and had to go back in. But regardless, we'll start obviously, with my number five, which is lids.
Nick VinZant 47:02
My number five is also lids.
John Shull 47:05
Yeah, okay, yeah, that's out of all of the options, we have the same number five, which is a little, usually that doesn't happen. No,
Nick VinZant 47:14
not usually on the fifth one. But I think lids is number five. Because you're either going to, you're going to at least look in there or every guy is either going to look in or go into lids, even if he has no interest in buying a hat, you're gonna look at it at least.
John Shull 47:29
And it's always the most crappiest small store. It's just, it's not a very well put together store. However, no organization is terrible. But you got to walk in there at least you know, if you're walking by it, like you said, As a man, you have to just check in you have to duck in real fast. Do you number four. So this one is just based upon its iconic newness. I don't it's not a store that I would go to. But however, Build A Bear workshops.
Nick VinZant 47:59
I thought about Build A Bear. I thought about Build A Bear. I think Build A Bear is probably actually keeping malls alive in some places.
John Shull 48:08
I mean, I've been there. I think one of my siblings had went there and gotten a bear. It's, you know, I'm sure everyone has gone there or bed near one at least once in their life. How
Nick VinZant 48:19
are you going to be okay with marrying a reindeer and embarrassed to go to Build a Bear?
John Shull 48:25
I mean, once again, I feel like my reasoning for marrying the reindeer out of the other two options was sound. Because
Nick VinZant 48:33
Oh no, those things it like made sense. And then until somebody brought up one point, and then you're like, Oh, crap. I mean,
John Shull 48:39
I wasn't thinking sexually, like if we're, you know, I wouldn't, you know, wouldn't be a sexual relationship. What's your number? Duer.
Nick VinZant 48:48
My number four is a tie between JC Penney's and Macy's because that was the only reason that you are going to the mall as a little kid was because mom had to go to either JC Penney's, and if you are classy, or if you're having a classy day, like, No, we gotta get you something for pictures. Then you were going to Macy's? So those stores always stayed out of my mind. JC Penney and Macy's.
John Shull 49:08
I'm going to come back to that to those actually. Higher and higher on the list. Okay, okay. Kind of interesting that you have, huh? All right. My number three is is a tie actually my one of two ties on my list. This is Spencer's and hot topic.
Nick VinZant 49:25
Ah, I have those higher on the list. Okay, I have those higher on the list.
John Shull 49:31
I mean, I Spencers was great for gag gifts. They always had like the weird stuff. Hot Topic is hot topic. Yeah, there once again, I feel like a hot topic is more iconic than Spencer's. But I had to I had to group them in kind of as one store. Okay,
Nick VinZant 49:49
my number three is the massage kiosk at the mall. Because I'm always wondering like who the hell is getting a 10 minute massage from some random person in the middle of mall I didn't even know fascinated by that. I
John Shull 50:04
thought about putting that in like the the ear piercing.
Nick VinZant 50:08
So the key Yes, yeah. But I
John Shull 50:12
was like those aren't really I guess they are shops because it's uh, you know they make money, but I did. Yeah, but the mind.
Nick VinZant 50:18
I can also do like the phone case one where they have like 15,000 Different kinds of phone cases. You know, and they're all like somehow they're all crap.
John Shull 50:29
My number two, the Hallmark store.
Nick VinZant 50:33
Okay, I can see it. I can see it. That was a story that like you had to go to, like, Oh, I gotta go to Hallmark with mom. Yeah,
John Shull 50:41
we gotta go a $8 card in the 90s which was expensive for grandma who's not gonna even give a shit.
Nick VinZant 50:48
Can't even read it anymore. But she had to go. Yeah,
John Shull 50:52
yeah, you had to go man. I've the Hallmark store anyways, watch number two.
Nick VinZant 50:57
I thought about putting this in number one for a long time. But my number two is to borrows pizza.
John Shull 51:03
See once I left off like food court stuff because to me, like those aren't stores within the actual mall, but they are stores but whatever. Good good choice to borrow is. I mean, it's the pizza. It's the mall pizza chain. That's what it is.
Nick VinZant 51:18
It is it? I think it's easily the most iconic food place in the mall is tomorrow's pizza.
John Shull 51:24
That and I think Panda Express before that, like they're close for me Panda Express. And so borrow in the mall.
Nick VinZant 51:30
The only one that I would put. I wouldn't buy Panda Express. Maybe you went to a nicer more than I did. But I would go Spyros pizza and then I would go like wetzels pretzels or the whatever kind of pretzels store was there? That was the only place in the world you could get pets pretzels was a mall? Yes.
John Shull 51:48
I wanted to put this on my list. It's funny you say that? I did it because I thought it was hyperlocal. But we had a place at a mall at the mall, which was a child called a pretzel peddler. And man, you would pay like four bucks and get like little dunkers and all this cheese and good times. That
Nick VinZant 52:05
was the only place you could get a pretzel baseball game or the mall. What's another one? I would say Jamba Juice. Well, there's always like some kind of smoothie place before they got really popular. Yeah,
John Shull 52:17
Orange. Man. There was one Orange Crush or something. Yeah, there's always one orange. Julius. Yes, Orange. Julius Julius. Yeah.
Nick VinZant 52:27
Now I can still remember the location of this of Barros pizza at the mall. We used to go to remember exactly what he said as big as pizzas. Okay. What's your what's your, what's your number one? I
John Shull 52:39
mean, I kind of alluded to it. It's I mean, it has to be JC Penney's and Macy's. I mean, I remember going to the mall you like you'd start in the middle and then you'd go hit one at the one end. And you have to walk all the way to the other end. So go the other store, and you had to hit both. You had
Nick VinZant 52:56
to? Did they have Did you ever have a mall with a Sears too? Did you have to go to Sears? Well, yeah,
John Shull 53:00
Sears for sure. But the Sears is there the I feel like they're thriving. Now. Sears came back for whatever reason. And I feel like Macy's and JC Penney are kind of you know, yeah, but I guess you I guess you could really couple all three. And as one. I did want, I felt I actually put an asterisk here. If we were doing like home based Leno, like personal number ones, and not trying to be 100% You know, 100% and real about this. I would have put Steve and Barry's as my number one. I don't even know what that is. It was the place where you could go get like $5 graphic T shirts like Michigan State T shirts and all these all they were were green and white. And they just said Michigan State like that's it or like, Oh,
Nick VinZant 53:44
they're just cheap cheap T shirts. There was always like the weird sporting goods store that was in the mall. That was like they kind of had nothing, but they had everything at the same time.
John Shull 53:56
Yeah. Yeah, did like Dick's I think Dick's Sporting Goods I believe started or malls, but what I just
Nick VinZant 54:04
will never understand. I will never understand naming your store after body parts. I
John Shull 54:11
mean, what? It still makes me laugh because I'm a child. But, you know, we would say hey, we're going to Dick's to get some balls. Like you know, or something stupid. When
Nick VinZant 54:24
I was in Orlando, there was a store called BJs and I always thought that my business plan if I was ever like a regional manager would have to put all the BJs next to Dick's you wouldn't people would go there just to laugh. Like why are you coming here? Well, we're gonna go to that place to get my store picture taken and well, I guess we'll go buy something too. I think that's a marketing plan. My number one is hot topic. I think Hot Topic is the quintessential mall store because you're either gonna go in there and see something or you're gonna go in there and see someone like it's entertained. That's the most entertaining mall stores Hot Topic.
John Shull 54:58
Yeah, but by Far that and Spencers obviously.
Nick VinZant 55:01
Yeah, those are like quintessential ones right. And something
John Shull 55:05
Oh my honorable mention. I think it's up there too. And that's GameStop.
Nick VinZant 55:09
I have Gamestop on my honorable mention. What else do you have on your honorable mention?
John Shull 55:13
Let me let me open my list here. Yeah, so FYI, II
Nick VinZant 55:17
know Yeah, yeah. For your entertainment for your
John Shull 55:21
which would be like, Hey, I'm going to get a DVD that cost $5 At Walmart, but it's $18. There. Right. Right. It was like all crap. I don't know how they've stayed in business if even if they are in business. Famous footwear.
Nick VinZant 55:34
Okay, yeah. footlocker. Foot Locker could make foot lockers and oversight that probably could have made a run way up at the top. Then
John Shull 55:45
this one, a personal one again, but I remember many Christmas Eve is my father trying to figure out something creative for my mother for Christmas. So we would go to Things Remembered.
Nick VinZant 55:58
Hmm, like sentimental things. I'm going to get some crap but try to pull off like I care.
John Shull 56:04
I'm going to pay $40 to have you and your sisters named edged into a cup and give it to your mother.
Nick VinZant 56:13
I don't want any of that crap.
John Shull 56:16
I don't either. I don't even Yeah, no.
Nick VinZant 56:19
I would rather get nothing then get something like that. If I had a choice between you want like world's greatest dad coffee mug? Or nothing? Like Well, nothing, because at least I don't want to wash the cop or find reason to keep it.
John Shull 56:33
Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, right. I mean, if I'll take it if it's from the heart, but if you know if I know you went out eight hours before Christmas morning and bought it. I mean,
Nick VinZant 56:44
yeah, that doesn't count. Right. Um, I have built a bear in my honorable mention. I have Gamestop the buckle I think could make a strong run. I just always hated that store because you couldn't get within. You could not get more than three feet into that store before somebody talked to you.
John Shull 57:02
I mean, I had a few written down but like the buccal gap. Era Postel Oh, yeah. But you know, I don't know. Those aren't eidetic Yeah.
Nick VinZant 57:15
Yeah, because they existed other places that you knew that you could like get those someplace else. Yeah, that's all I got.
Unknown Speaker 57:24
That's it. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Nick VinZant 57:27
Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance. Leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it. It really does help out the show. And let us know what you think are some of the best mall stores. There's a lot when you get to thinking about it. I think Hot Topic is still kind of the iconic one. But let us know what you think man. There's definitely some other ones that can make a run for it.