When people see something in the sky they just can't explain, he gets a call. UFO Investigator Tim Doyle joins us. We talk UFO sightings, aliens and Area 51. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Fictional Aliens.
Interview with UFO Investigator Tim Doyle of UFO Seekers
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SPEAKERS
Nick VinZant - Profoundly Pointless Host
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers)
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Nick VinZant 00:13
Hey everybody welcome to profoundly pointless My name is Nick coming up in this episode, we're going to go on a search for UFOs and then count down the top five fictional aliens.
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 00:25
We've been to area 51 we've been to Roswell and we pretty much spend our time now on a daily basis sky watching for UFO activity. She was driving in this year in the mountains at night and saw to basketball sighs dim dim lights. And right before it hits the windshield he like leans over swerves, it goes around the side of his car, like looking in the driver window and then just stays in the road and watches the car go by. And that's all he saw.
Nick VinZant 00:58
I want to thank You guys so much for joining us. If you get a chance, like, download, subscribe, share, we really appreciate it. It really helps us out. I think like a lot of people I have always struggled with two big questions. Are we the only intelligent life that's out there? And how do you explain these things? That seemed like they just can't be explained like what's, what's really happening there. Our first guest is trying to answer those questions. This is Tim Doyle. He's a UFO investigator with the group UFO seekers. So when did you start looking for evidence of UFOs?
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 01:41
Well, I guess in my personal life, probably would have been decades ago, when I was like a late teenager started diving into probably a lot of people's most famous first conspiracy book which was behind the pale horse and more recently, What people see publicly with UFO speakers that all started in 2016. And what had happened is just had some changes in my personal life and ended up moving to a different location in California, I moved to Bakersfield. And that's where I met my current partner in life. Tracy, and when we first started dating and hanging out, I guess you could say, about 45 minutes from our houses the Mojave Desert, Edwards Air Force Base, plant 42, the Air Force production plant. Vandenberg Air Force Base is like the other direction where they're doing rocket launches and missile tests and stuff like that. And the mountains here right next to our home like 15 minutes away, is also where they're doing military experiments. So like in 1986, an F 117. The stealth fighter before it was public actually crashed about 15 minutes from my house. Here. And so with all of that kind of military activity and strange stuff happening, then we just ended up started seeing things and I've simultaneously I developed a passion for finding the truth behind UFOs going out sky watching looking at the sky, and our content on YouTube kind of started to take off and people started watching and we started gaining subscribers. And that's kind of where we are now it's about three years later, and I've been to places like area 51 and Roswell Of course it's me and my partner Tracy so it's a we we've been Terry 51 we've been to Roswell and but we pretty much spend our time now on a daily basis sky watching for UFO activity, but mostly we spend our time just using camera equipment like military grade, night vision, optical cameras, full spectrum, stuff like that.
Nick VinZant 03:58
So when we're talking about it UFOs are we talking about aliens? Are we talking just about something that's in the sky that we can explain?
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 04:06
You've literally just asked like the the kryptonite question. You know because if you watch you know television or you're talking to kind of a quote unquote like UFO celebrity, it's you know, very popular for people to say UFOs are real. And it's like a thing like this UFO is like a thing and it's real. Over the years, I've kind of tamed myself better and being what I would consider like a serious investigator. What I like to say is UFO sightings are real. So there are real people who see real observations in the sky. And those sightings are real things. Now, when we're talking about what those are, I tend to fall like to the military side. And if we wanted to put it like in statistics, I would go on record to say like 90 percent of things that people see are related to military, atmospheric phenomenon, private space programs, private contractor programs, but then there's still like 2% that people can't explain or maybe we don't know where they are if we wanted to go into a philosophical discussion, instead of just saying aliens, which is kind of what I consider, like a post modern view of aliens, because if we're looking back to like the early 1900s, and we're reading newspaper articles, or looking at people who would have debates or speculate on the topic of aliens, it was called Martians. And that's because like telescopes were evolving and we started getting closer and closer visually to seeing what was on Mars. People were expecting that these quote unquote aliens were Martians, and that's what everyone considered them was Martians. So if we want to get downlight into a philosophical discussion about what those unexplained things are, you know, to me, it could be a god, it could be the Creator, whoever created this, if it's a computer simulation, and they're running coding, and someone who's tasked with watching what is inside of the simulation, I mean, if they're inserting themselves into the coding, like we'd see in a movie like matrix, you know, maybe that light in the sky or a light that burns an object on the ground, maybe that's the watchers or the angels or whatever phasing in. So I really try not to get stuck to that postmodern, you know, Ancient Aliens History Channel version of what these aliens are, because I feel that's more of like I said, like a more modern Hollywood take on it. And I don't think it's that narrow. I think it's more broad. And like I said, being someone who believes in intelligent design because I don't believe that Something can come from nothing. I don't believe that order, and systematic repetitiveness comes from randomness. So I'm not a big believer in just random evolution, I believe that there's an intelligent design behind what we're looking at. And I really think that kind of gets overlooked when we're talking about these UFOs. And those things kind of parallel themselves.
Nick VinZant 07:23
So when you see something that that you feel like you can't explain, it's not the kind of traditional thought that somebody might have is like, oh, there's a little green man up there.
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 07:33
Correct. And in fact, it became, it almost became it's something I couldn't see before. So before I was a UFO investigator and spend time in the field, looking at the sky, capturing photos of things I thought were a UFO and then ran home just to find out it was a Janet flightline landing at area 51. One time we were sky watching, we caught an object to re entering the atmosphere. And burning up in the atmosphere. There was no explanation for it you could call it a UFO but four days later, we confirmed it was an Iridium communications satellite that had got retired and deorbited. So there's been so many times where I've seen something and kind of been disappointed you know, once it came to review, so I don't like to point straight to one answer over the other although there are strange things happening out there. For instance, right now Tracy and I have been investigating a sighting here in this year in Nevada mountains back in February of this year. He was driving in this year and about mountains at night and saw to basketball sighs dim dim lights like flying next to his vehicle. So this guy is driving through a mountain Canyon steep canyons and up above his car, 50 feet 100 feet and next to the car. He's He's to basketball. Side lights flying next to him. One comes down into the road in front of him while he's still driving full speed and then starts coming back towards him towards the windshield. And right before it hits the windshield, he like leans over swerves, it goes around the side of his car, like looking in the driver window, and then just stays in the road and watches the car go by. And that's all he saw. And so there are weird things happening like this. And trace Ian and I, the only weird thing we've really captured in our perspective within the same general area, and it was back in 2017. We were watching low flying jets practice and this year in about a mountains. Because we spend so much time in the field we kind of know where they fly and their practice routes. So we had spent time photographing jets, military jets, and later in the afternoon after they were done. We were randomly taking pictures all over the place. And upon review, we saw this spherical, cloudy type ball, like 20 to 40 feet in diameter, in rapid shot pictures in about a second, one second to come from out of the sky. And travel probably, I want to say like a fifth of a mile in a downward direction into a canyon, where there was people like camping. So these low fly jets will fly over people. You know, it's commonplace up here if you're local, and you know, we all know about it. But this was that same type of object and then add on top of that if people have watched our YouTube videos, there was a gentleman from the 80s that we covered, who gave us witness testimony, where he was fishing near Beale Air Force Base, which is north of us still in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, and him and his cousin were fishing and a spherical ball that was transparent and barely lit, floated right above their heads like 10 feet above their heads and just floated there, and then went out over the water and then up into the air. And I have more of these ball type sightings. So you know, out I never knew before there was like this UFO community. And so I am very hard to digest for a lot of these people, because I'm not willing to just jump off the cliff into a theory or to speculate on something. And I would be way more comfortable saying that these are military, because I know definitively, a military exists and I don't have definitive scientific proof of an alien that has been presented to me scientifically. So that's why, you know, we try to kind of waver towards the military perspective. But in saying that you can see how there are strange things happening which are very hard to explain
Nick VinZant 11:59
In your opinion. And how come when there is something that is hard to explain? Why does some people seem to go that this must be, you know, aliens or UFOs or anything like that, and other people just discount that? And say, no, this thing that you can't explain must have some explanation that's simple that we just don't know about, like, Why do people seem to react in such stark differences?
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 12:25
Right, I think that's more of just primal, like our, our primitive, deep down belief systems. And it's deeper than just the UFO topic. It's almost similar to what you could say about partisan politics. Or if you're looking at a judgment in a court where you present evidence you always have like a 5050 split down the middle where one you know, people see one thing and others see another and unfortunately, I think the majority of us I be One of those people before I started this journey, who only look for reinforcing evidence to reinforce what we believe ourselves, you know, we're not looking, you know, dissenting evidence. And that's kind of who I am at heart is I am, unfortunately, like the guy who searches for the dissenting evidence. And when everyone's on one side of the ship, I'm kind of on the other. So you nailed it, though. That's, I mean, that's how it is, unfortunately, there are people who kind of monetize the reaching of the conclusion. And so they need to bring people along. And for those in the UFO community who no UFO seekers, we don't participate in like UFO conferences, you know, those big like celebrity conferences where people come to kind of hear your theories or they go through workshops, stuff like that. So just know that where I'm coming from, for you and your audience. We aren't the type that participate in that. We literally 100% just spend our time in the field, looking for UFOs activity, truth, what's going on at these military bases, we try to put it into the videos, and bring people that in reality, real scientists and people who take these things serious, who are constantly looking at the sky, and they aren't seeing the things that were shown on, you know, paranormal caught on camera on the travel channel. And all these shows, which tell us that there's something happening every second around every corner. And so we really have have tried hard by spending our time at these main facilities. To show people it's not so common place for these types of things to happen to help the UFO community find the real evidence, but it's providing this evidence to people to kind of help take away the ammunition of the well paid solution. He's out there who are on TV who kind of use people's belief systems to sell tickets.
Nick VinZant 15:08
When you get reports of UFO sightings? Is there a general pattern that they seem to follow?
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 15:15
No, no, I wouldn't say so. There. There's so much different. Unfortunately, I think if you're a serious investigator, if someone wants to know what it's like, they should just watch cops or live PD. And kind of that same percentage is misleading. And I really hate to like tell people this, but I do consider myself serious. There are people who will lie. that's similar to when you're watching cops and they catch someone and the guy says like they're not my pants. When there's something like in his pants that he has on you and the guy is like, these aren't my pants. Like they're you still have that kind of similar percentage. So as a serious investigator, you really need to make sure that you're smart enough to hold back and not get yourself involved in what's being reported. And then finding those real ones like the one I told you about these basketball objects appearing next to the gentleman's vehicle, this guy called me for weeks. And I do that to these people. So there's, there's there have been scientists who have studied the topic of UFOs. For a long time, people should know, like, almost 70 years now. And so they've managed to kind of pick out the commonalities that exists in the UFO community, such as investigators, or people on social media or television who just promote everything. And that's a problem. Because then there's no look at what is serious and if you just promote everything, then everything has to be taken as real. And so we really try to slow down. We don't let people just say That's a picture and then we regurgitate it, because that's kind of where you end up promoting hoaxes. So for instance, in 2017 2018, there was this Peruvian mummy that was going around online, promoted by the biggest celebrities. One of the nation's top radio paranormal shows this Peruvian mummy that had been uncovered and it was an alien, it looked like an alien and it was getting promoted, like it was an alien and come to find out that it was actually a mummy that they had taken pieces of other things and actually created little bone structure pieces and attach them to this mummy and then taking pictures and taking video of it. So just that example, people can use to see that even high level individuals will lie and use the topic to make revenue or to get something or be famous or to get on a TV show. So you really have to be careful slowed down, and really pick out, you know, who you feel is telling you the truth. But still, I mean, you don't even know. This is one of those scariest topics I've ever been involved in. And people should know that you know, me and you have been talking about this alien question. And I'm really glad that you picked me to talk to you because now I'm going to make it dead serious for for people so they understand the military value of what we're doing. And it's something I didn't understand before. And I always wondered why a UFO investigator would like get killed by the men in black or would you know, disappear. Now, the true reality is with UFO sightings. The military is interested in these things because they could be military. I want people to think about Roswell and then think about that they've never heard of a foreign craft crashing on American soil. And I want them to think hard about how the government could keep you thinking that you're in a utopia and a foreign enemy could never Reach the United States soil and start thinking to yourself, how could the government use the topic of aliens or UFOs to kind of cover up things like that that might happen. And so intrinsically, UFO sightings are extremely valuable to the government. And that's where it becomes dangerous because what we're doing is going out and following around Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, and they have all of these secret tests and operations going on. And inherently, you're capturing these operations going on Global Hawk testing, new UAS system testing. And so, so there's lots of secret military operations that are 50 years ahead that people don't know about. And so a lot of what is involved in these UFO sightings is that technology and people observing those things. Now, if you go back to 1960 s, and the SRS 71 the SRS 71 actually had an awesome autonomous drone that attached to the back of it and attached between the rear tail thin wings, the upward wings and the SRS 71, which was using self paint, right because stealth was actually invented in like 1941 by a scientist who created paint that could absorb radar frequencies or radio frequencies. And so the ASR 71, which was already stealth, and a stealth aircraft, could fly to about 70 to 90,000 feet and had an autonomous drone that looked just like a third SRS 71 engine and would detach, and using radio control in the 60s, the government would fly this thing autonomously. So now I want people to take that into perspective, and how far beyond our thinking the government in the military is, and that's a lot of what we're looking at here. So it's not just about being stuck to this alien question. It's not just being stuck to the creators of whatever we're looking at and until And design. It's also being extremely wary of the government in the military and what they're doing out there, because that's what we're seeing.
Nick VinZant 21:08
Are you ready for the harder slash listeners submitted questions?
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 21:14
I am ready. Totally ready.
Nick VinZant 21:16
What did you think of the storming of area 51 that was going on that whole topic that kind of rose to prominence last year, or was it? Is it last year's this year? Last year, right.
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 21:27
I think was last year. Time is moving so fast. Now.
Nick VinZant 21:31
What did you see? What did you think as you kind of saw that built up or build up rather?
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 21:36
Yeah. See, and that's, we weren't fans of that happening at all, like zero percent. I mean, I don't mean to get harsh about it, but I'm going to get harsh about it. You know, to me, I viewed it as a terrorist attack, like a domestic terrorist attack on an Air Force specific facility and I view it as extremely dangerous. You Promoting such activity to the public. But that's what happens. When celebrities are telling people things exist. They're definitively. I mean, the whole reason people were there was because there's a Las Vegas journalist who calls himself a journalist who was telling people, zeta particular aliens have been in area 51 for decades and had been here on earth for 10,000 years. So it's not hard to think that the public or people who take them serious because they said they're serious, to want to go find out these things. I mean, especially the impact on society. If you unveiled into Alien Evidence, it would change religion, our perspective on the university would change science, it would help the poor with the alien technology. So it makes sense that people would want to go retrieve that. So that's why we're very cautious. In fact, people would probably Look at the content I have online and frown upon it because there's lots of video pictures, the military facilities. But it never comes with negativity towards the military as if those people are hiding something from me. Obviously, I think the leadership in the military makes bad decisions are the ones who have secrets. I really think the military just burns our money and has tons of technology that would change our economy in a good way. I think the military has trillions upon trillions of dollars is spent on underground facilities. I have family members who've been in them. They have railroads, they have freeways. They have cities underground that no one knows about. And that's where all the budgets went. And so it's those things that I feel are very concerning. And I wish that the passion that people had towards picking out that Alien Evidence from area 51 would be point Towards the government and the policies of the military and what they're doing with this money.
Nick VinZant 24:05
Do you think when you look at some of the kind of well known kind of alien sighting, UFO sighting, things that have happened throughout history, you know that people know about the Phoenix lights, Roswell? Do any of those kind of stand out as you as being real
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 24:21
Oh, I don't actually think that one was real, or haven't has an easy explanation and people No, I think both aren't real. I will tell you right now they both aren't real. People can go look at the Roswell testimony. Okay, first off, they need to stop listening to people who weren't there. And if they want to listen to someone who was at Roswell, they should read Mack Basil's testimony that exists in the newspaper. And now what most people won't tell you was Brazell had already found two weather balloons on his property. So if we're going to go to Roswell, Mack Brazell was out There he was around and just like where I live in Bakersfield, no different. Okay, it's an agriculture a ranch cattle place. Same thing here in Bakersfield. And so this really nice guy. Mack Brazell is just a ranch hand and he's out moving cattle. And he finds this is written in the newspapers, brass balls testimony. So don't believe anybody else go pull the newspapers or you can go on my website and read the newspapers. Brazell himself says that he came across sticks and a foil foil looking material. Nothing more than like three feet in size. No burning, no fire. No. No depression from a heart impact crash. He literally just found materials, these little twigs sticks and an aluminum foil type material spread out throughout shrubbery and brushes. So Brazell collects them. puts them like in a ball and stuffs them under a bush. And so Brazell brother in law tells him about this reward of $5,000 for pieces of a Martian UFO. Martian spaceship, because that's what everyone thinks it is. And that's when Brazell takes his family back with his kids and they go and collect this, the sticks in this brush some of them and then they call the Roswell Sheriff who comes out. They go they pick up some more of it, then they call the Roswell military guy. They come out they take it to the Roswell military guy, and it's an Army Intelligence Officer. Okay. Brazell in the newspaper articles. tells the military guy this is not a UFO. I don't say nothing. I don't want to say it's anything. I found these pieces. I'm an American and I want to help my government. Here are the pieces of this thing and I found on a ranch. Plus there's a reward. If it's something the Army Intelligence Officer destroy Brazil's life Brazzaville, his family and the ranch owners who own the ranch and kills the entire world, they found a flying disc, and just leaves it at that. So the government completely threw him under the bus. Because White Sands Missile Range is right there. And they didn't want anybody looking. And they didn't want anybody looking at the sky anymore. To see the supersonic jet technology they were creating. I mean, it was 62. They were already flying the X 52 space. And that's what they're trying to stop people from from looking. They want you to believe the guy on TV, who tells you the gray aliens are everywhere, because they don't want you to go to Edwards Air Force Base, and look at their airplanes and kind of help this disinformation. I mean, if we're looking at the Phoenix lights, it's a flare. It's literally like eight flares, right? You're looking at a video of the mountain and you're watching eight flares or however many it is. I don't know the number offhand. I'm just guessing. Falling down behind the mountain. I mean, am I crazy? I feel like I move got to and Zoo lander, and I'm going all the looks look the same. I mean Blue Steel Magnum, it's the same look. And I'm looking at the Phoenix lights going, Hey, these are just flares falling behind a hillside. But you do have like this hysteria that gets built up. And so there's an investment in the marketing behind these sightings. If there ever is kind of a little green man, so to speak, that just appears on a press conference one day that like everything is confirmed. What do you think happens to society? Well, honestly, I don't think anything changes. I mean, Star Trek has already been running for. Since what the late 60s. I honestly I don't think anything changes at all. The only thing that's going to change is technology. And that's the good part about it. So I don't I don't view aliens. extraterrestrials as a negative thing are a threat. Sometimes I even wonder if they just look like you and me, Nick. Like, who's not to say that we fly out into the universe and land on a planet, and they just look like us? I mean, who's to say it's not just farther back and there's dinosaurs there? Why does it have to be always this gross, distorted looking scary. communists never wears any clothing so they all look the same and are branded the same type of alien races. And that's what really doesn't make sense to me. And anyone who's watched Star Trek First Contact there,it's so funny because they they put two different versions of when the Vulcans first came down because the humans made warp drive, and the Vulcans were flying by and detected the warp signature. And so the Vulcans flew down to earth and came to see who made the warp engine and talk to them, because that was unlocking of the next step to traversing the universe. And there was Two different versions when the Vulcans landed. And one was when the Vulcan came out of the spaceship, the people attacked him. And then there was another version, where everyone was excited to see them and the warp drive inventor went up and shook their hand and initiated first contact. And so I really see, you know, those two separate sides, we have people who consider this a threat and want you to attack the Vulcans. And then we have other people who want to embrace the diversity of the universe. And and let's see what's out there.
Nick VinZant 30:31
Anything else you think that we've missed, or anything else that you'd like to add or anything like that?
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 30:36
You know, a lot of the times I feel like the Grim Reaper. It's like, you know, 99.9% of the people I meet, think I'm a full believer because this is what we do. Investigating UFO sightings. I'm a full believer in the alien that exists now. And I just, I don't want people to view me as the Grim Reaper where I'm Destroying series, their beliefs, or other speculative beliefs. There are strange things happening. No one has an answer. I just really want people to know to look for evidence. So when someone tells you that in Egyptian pyramid was made by an alien race, all I ask is that you look for the proof of the aliens doing it. You know, the UFO community is a joke. And it's a joke to society. I know because I drive around a car with UFO seekers on it. And I get left constantly. And I work every day to try to change that perspective and that point of view by teaching people and educating people, such as in this discussion we're having right now, and that is going to lead us to the real truth.
Nick VinZant 31:51
Do you think that more people believe I'll use this very broad springing but do you think that more people kind of believe that there is something else Whatever that's something else could possibly be out there then would let on say make fun of the UFO secret car but secretly also believe that something could exist.
Tim Doyle (UFO Seekers) 32:11
Oh, yeah.Oh yeah hundred percent and being philosophical type person like I am. You know, I'm looking at why they're laughing. They're laughing because what I'm searching for is a threat to their belief system.
Nick VinZant 32:24
I want to thank Tim so much for joining us if you want to connect with him, we have linked to him on our social media accounts were profoundly pointless on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. And we have also included his information on the RSS feed that's in this podcast. You can also check out his YouTube channel. And there you'll see some of the videos that he's talking about. I think just going back and forth in that conversation. It's I think it's such a fine line. Because there was definitely times where I felt like oh, I don't know about that man. But there was also times where I thought you might be right. And that's such a fine line. And that's why I think that ultimately when we're talking about a subject like this, something where you really can't maybe fully explain it, and it just comes down to what somebody believes. It does ultimately tell you so much about that person based on what they believe, like a believer is going to believe. And a skeptic is just going to push it aside. And I think that you can probably extrapolate that throughout so many other things in their life as well.