UFO Tracker Christian Stepien
Over the last two decades Christian Stepien of the UFO Reporting Center has tracked and documented nearly 200,000 UFO sightings worldwide. We talk the pattern behind UFO sightings, government coverups and the most unusual UFO sightings. Then, we unveil a new Candle of the Month and countdown the Top 5 Least Rewatchable Movies.
Christian Stepien: 01:20
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Candle of the Month: 41:53
Top 5 Least Rewatchable Movies: 50:09
Interview with UFO Reporting Center’s Christian Stepien
Nick VinZant 0:00
Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick vinzant Coming up in this episode, UFOs and the least rewatchable movies,
Christian Stepien 0:21
the Prime Directive of these agencies pretty soon became to just debunk everything and make it sound like people were crazy. It's an interesting one, and we highlighted this one because it's actually pretty rare that we get a video as dramatic as that. You know, it's there's this wall against getting to the real the real meat of what the government has collected and known over the years. I want
Nick VinZant 0:46
to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guest, because over the last few decades, he has tracked UFO sightings worldwide. This is Christian Stepien of the UFO Reporting Center. So when we talk about UFO Reporting, like, how many reports have you guys gotten over the years?
Christian Stepien 1:24
We are pushing 200,000
Nick VinZant 1:28
reports. To me, that sounds like a huge amount.
Christian Stepien 1:31
It's a lot, but I still think it's the tip of the iceberg. So you can take that number and multiply it, and then we estimate that probably 5% of people who see something take the time and trouble to report it. So do that math, and you're getting into millions of sightings. You know, just millions. It's extremely common. As a matter of fact, I like to tell people, um, you know, just, just go ask your family. Go ask your friends. Have you guys ever seen something you can't explain in the sky? And almost invariably, you'll find somebody within your circle of acquaintances that'll tell you a story about something that happened years ago, or maybe last week, about something incredible they saw that really meets the definition of a UFO. So
Nick VinZant 2:17
if we're having those so many people who are seeing these things and reporting them. Why do you think there's still so much skepticism out there, right? Like, if it's something that seems to be happening every day, why isn't it treated like something that seems to be happening every day? It's
Christian Stepien 2:30
It's because, you know when, when the UFO phenomenon really started back in the 40s, 1947, you know, with Roswell, when people really started seeing vast amounts of flying saucers and things, the government, you know, started setting up agencies to go and investigate it. There was project sign, there was project grudge, and then there was Project Blue Book. And the prime directive of these agencies pretty soon became to just debunk everything and make it sound like people were crazy. So the government has had a concerted effort to kind of promote that narrative that you know if you've seen a UFO, you might be mentally suspect or you probably don't know what you're looking at. And that really stuck. Society really took that in and bought that up to the present day. Now, there's a lot that's going on right now that we can talk about where that's really changing. You know, some of the congressional hearings and some of the revelations from some of the fighter pilots and David grush and things like that, but it's still that message of, they don't exist. They can't possibly exist. There's no way they could get here, because nobody can go faster than the speed of light. No, all these arguments about why they can't exist are still kind of embedded in the consciousness of the general public. Of
Nick VinZant 3:52
those 200,000 someone that we talked about, though, but how many of them would you say, Okay, this is a UFO versus like this is just something that somebody saw that they can't explain.
Christian Stepien 4:04
We go through a process where we actually look at every report and we flag the ones that we think are the like, you know, holy crop reports like you say, certainly more than 50% are, you know, misidentifications of stars or satellites or airplanes or bugs flying past security cameras, you know, all all these different kinds of things that we get all the time. So I, I think probably from the reports that we get, I would estimate maybe 20% are interesting, real, you know, events that are anomalous and we can't find in, you know, a simple explanation for if
Nick VinZant 4:48
my math is correct, off the top of my head, that's about 40,000 total. You know, some
Christian Stepien 4:52
of the reports we really like to get are, we get a lot of reports from pilots. Pilots are, you know, know what they're looking at, the sky. They're up. All the time, and when they see something strange, you can kind of take their word for it. If you go to our website, you can actually look at all the all the reports are cataloged by, you know, the ones that we think are the best. You can just scan through those. You can scan through the ones that are from pilots. Or you can go kind of look into the reports from your area.
Nick VinZant 5:22
I have your website. Can you see this? Is that showing up to you?
Christian Stepien 5:25
Oh, yeah,
Nick VinZant 5:26
I'm looking at some of these. Now, what really jumped out at me was how detailed some of them are, and that there's pictures and videos. There's definitely so I'm looking at this one. I'm gonna mispronounce that, but I think it's Chelan, West Virginia.
Christian Stepien 5:44
Yeah, this one just came in. I remember this one. And I will
Nick VinZant 5:47
say, like, Okay, I'll full disclosure, like, I personally am skeptical. But this episode isn't necessarily about if it's real or not. It's more about the fact that these people, that people are reporting this at such a high level, but like looking at this like, Okay, I don't know what that is.
Christian Stepien 6:05
It's an interesting one. And we highlighted this one because it's actually pretty rare that we get a video as dramatic as that. It's, you know, people are really not capturing these things on cameras very often, in any meaningful way we get I've probably seen maybe 20 videos that have really impressed me over the last couple years. This is one of them, simply because of the color in the way now it that could be a drone hovering up there with a blue light, you know, certainly. But it's, I think it's the quality of the video that impressed us on that one. But if you keep scrolling through those highlighted reports, you'll find people who write stories, you know, especially if you get into some of the older ones, there's a lot of people who send in reports from things that happened to them 2030, years ago. Now that that one right there. If you bring that one back up a little bit. Just show the picture. This
Nick VinZant 7:01
is one out of Lebanon, Tennessee. I couldn't find the states, and that's what jumped out at me, was like the detail that people put into this, like, this has a drawing. This has a lengthy description,
Christian Stepien 7:14
yeah, and that, that triangle that you're looking at there, that has been reported over and over and over again. But these triangles that are, you know, anywhere from 25 feet on a side to hundreds of feet on a side with white lights in each corner and sometimes a red light in the center, have been reported hundreds, hundreds of times. And these things basically float. They can hover silently over someone's house. They can accelerate instantaneously. Mean they can go from a complete stop to something like Mach Five without any period of acceleration whatsoever. So they're doing things that we simply don't have the technology to do, and they're reported by, you know, credible people. The people who report to us generally, are extremely sincere and are simply, you know, flabbergasted by what they've seen, and they just want to find a place to get it off their chest and put it on the record, because sometimes it's a life changing event for people to see things like this.
Nick VinZant 8:28
I would imagine so. And that's kind of what jumps out into me about it, is, right? Is that you have the one camp that seems to be, I'm going to be dramatic, just for ease of purposes, right? You have the one camp that's like, seems to be like, No, this is absolutely real. And another camp that says like, No, this is absolutely not. But when I look through all the descriptions like this doesn't seem like, necessarily, like a crazy person writing the description. So I'm fascinated by the idea that whatever somebody saw, they absolutely believe what they saw. Yeah,
Christian Stepien 8:57
yeah, most people are extremely sincere and really believe they saw something. And certainly some of them have seen aircraft. Some have seen, you know, maybe even top secret military test aircraft. A lot of people see balloons and think they're UFOs that that that goes on all the time. But there are these reports, like this one, you know, and the other giant triangle reports that you just can't put in a box and say there's anything that can explain it.
Nick VinZant 9:24
This is one out of Cape Coral. And again, like, yeah, look at that. They really went into a lot of detail about about, yeah, does it? Were you surprised by the amount of detail that people go into? Um,
Christian Stepien 9:37
no, I wish more people would go into more detail. Honestly, some people don't give us a lot of detail. They'll just send in a line or two about, you know, I saw something darting through the sky, but it's great when they do, and we really appreciate it. There's
Nick VinZant 9:53
definitely, it's definitely interesting, right? Like, whether you're a believer or dis non believe. Or whatever phrasing you want to use, it's interesting to go through them.
Christian Stepien 10:03
Well, you know, there's an interesting phenomenon about believers versus non believers. The more someone studies the subject, the more they become a believer. If you spend the time and really immerse yourself into the subject, you're going to be hard pressed to walk away as a skeptic, and you know, the government is probably hiding the best of it. By far the best of it is sitting somewhere hidden within the Department of Defense and defense contractors, assuming,
Nick VinZant 10:32
just kind of working with the assumption that all of this is real, right? Does that worry you? Because, to me, it's like, if there's aliens out there, like, wait a minute,
Christian Stepien 10:43
it worries me. I'll make a plug. There's a great book that just came out from Lou Elizondo called imminent. He's the one who got, I don't know if you're familiar with the New York Times article that came out in 2017 where they revealed the Pentagon's OS app and a tip programs, where they were actually had, you know, a $20 million funded project to study UFOs, and they were really under the radar. And, you know, Lou was really, finally, just couldn't take it anymore, and felt he had to reveal this to the public. So he left the Pentagon and talked to a New York Times reporter named Leslie Keane, and she came out with a front page New York Times article, and they released three UFO videos taken by Navy fighter pilots, and they're pretty incredible videos. You know, there's the tic tac video, there's the go fast video, the gimbal and he's, you know, his book really, he's, he was an insider in the Department of Defense who became extremely convinced himself of the reality of this and thought it was just absolutely ludicrous that the government didn't want to deal with
Nick VinZant 12:00
it. That is definitely something that right? Like, I think whether you believe it or you don't believe it, I firmly believe that we should probably have some sort of plan in place just in case. Like, we should probably be working on this.
Christian Stepien 12:12
Yeah, we should. We should be putting some money into it and some put some of our top brains on it to try and figure out what it really is. But, and there's some of that probably going on. There was some of that going on when he was involved, and there were some PhD physicists and things, studying things, but, but it was to a very limited amount, you know, it's, there's this wall against getting to the real, the real meat of what the government has collected and known over the years that even, you know, certain groups within the defense department couldn't penetrate that wall to get to the real what they call the Legacy Project, which is the project that's been really watching UFOs for. You know, what, 75 years from now,
Nick VinZant 12:56
when you look at the reports that come in, would you say, is there, is there a pattern to them like they generally kind of fit into these categories, like this happens. It looks like this, it moves like this, etc. There's
Christian Stepien 13:08
definitely patterns and kind of groups of similar sightings. One of them is the triangles that we talked about earlier. You see these same triangles over and over and over again, doing the same kind of things. Another one that's extremely common is orbs, orbs or balls of light that basically, again, do these incredible maneuvers in the sky that basically go through walls. Can float down your hallway in your house, there's the classic flying saucer, but we're seeing less of those recently. We saw a lot more of those in the past. And then there's just things that are just all over the map, all kinds of weird shapes and sizes and descriptions of crafts. So there's really an incredible variety of things that's that are going on, like, so then do
Nick VinZant 14:04
you, would you look at it like, okay, we're getting visited by multiple different potential alien species, or as, like, the same species with lots of different cars, so to speak.
Christian Stepien 14:13
Yeah, exactly. That's, it's that that's a tough one to answer. You know, it's, it's really impossible to answer those questions, because the aliens, to their credit, or to our dual and dismay, are seem to be extremely capable of keeping their motives to themselves. So everything that we can surmise about them is pure speculation. You know, why are they here? What are they doing? How are the groups now, you know, if you get into the alien abduction phenomenon, that's where you start talking to people who've had experiences, who've seen craft up close, and are sometimes taken on to the craft for some bizarre experiences, and they will just. Describe what I would call classifications of aliens, different, different types of groups. You know, there's the there's the alien everybody's seen with the big almond shape, gray, yeah, black eyes, gray, four feet tall. That's extremely common. People see what the kind of almost human look, looking, perfect looking, you know, six, seven foot tall. They call them Nordics that seem to be in charge praying mantises. Now, whether they're all you know, know each other, whether it's you know, it's like this world, where there's the Russians in the United States, or there's different races, or what, who knows what aliens will tell people, of course, when they're when they're having this experiences and hey, don't worry, we're not going to hurt you. We're here to help you. Sometimes they give messages of, you know, you guys have to learn to protect the environment and take care of your planet. That message is pretty common from them.
Nick VinZant 16:01
I always wonder, you know, the the question of, like, Is there intelligent life outside in the universe? I don't know if I'm more scared by the idea that there is or that there isn't. But when you have, like, when you go, when you look at the reporting, like, do you ever hear from government agencies or organizations or things like that. Like, Hey, what's this one like? Do you ever seem to get follow up from the powers that be? To be dramatic, rarely,
Christian Stepien 16:28
rarely it. You know, they they can go out and read the reports, just like anybody else. We have been contacted by some government agencies who were interested in collaborating with us and investigating some of these, but we have a pretty strict privacy policy, so we don't release anybody's names or, you know, contact information that's that's extremely important to get to people to keep that private.
Nick VinZant 16:58
Does there seem to be more legitimate? And give me some leeway with the words, right, legitimate interest in it, like, Oh, we're really looking at this. Now,
Christian Stepien 17:07
the subject is a whole, I mean, you know, there was congressional hearings last year, and, you know, there's a, there's a dedicated group in Congress now that really is trying to get to the bottom of this. But, you know, it's, it's this brick wall. People hit this brick wall that where you you get so far into the Department of Defense, and then you can't get any farther.
Nick VinZant 17:27
Do you Do you understand why that approach should be taken? Like, do you think that things would fundamentally change if suddenly the government comes forward? Is like, look, you know what? All this is real. Like, what do you think would happen if that occurred, if this
Christian Stepien 17:42
was out in the open, and we can put our top people on it, you know, our best Sciences, our best engineers to, you know, go look at, you know, if they actually have some reverse engineer some some materials that they reach, recovered From craft saucers or whatever, we could make tremendous progress technologically. People have done analysis of the flight characteristics of some of these ships and calculated how much power they need to be doing the maneuvers that they need to do, and they've calculated that. It's absolutely phenomenal. So if we could figure out how they power them. That could be free energy solutions for the entire planet. We could dramatically, you know, improve life on earth if we could crack some of these technologies. But it's all behind these closed doors right now.
Nick VinZant 18:34
Are you ready for some harder slash? Listener submitted questions.
Christian Stepien 18:37
Oh, listener submitted questions. Sure. What reports
Nick VinZant 18:41
stand out to you like? Are there ones that like, oh, that's
Christian Stepien 18:45
an easy one to answer, because again, if you go to our website and you click on that exact page that you showed me, the highlighted reports, those are the reports that stand out to us, and they typically tend to be reports from pilots or military witnesses who really know what they're looking at, who really understand aviation, or people who've seen something at an extremely close range, you know, a huge triangle or a huge flying saucer hovering over their car or their house, doing things that we simply cannot do with any of our technology. Those are the ones that impressed me.
Nick VinZant 19:22
Country you seem to get the most reports from? Well, the United States, for sure. Well, yeah, you're based United States. So it's kind of, yeah, yeah. There's, there's
Christian Stepien 19:29
a map on our on our site, you can go spin the globe around and look at the prevalence of sightings. You know, we get a lot of reports from Britain, the Netherlands, and then it kind of spreads through Europe, but all over the world,
Nick VinZant 19:43
are there states or cities in the United States that you seem to like, Oh, those we are. We're always hearing from those places. No,
Christian Stepien 19:49
it's remarkably homogeneous across the country. And Axio, or access actually ran some statistics. Sites maybe six months ago, where they ran our data against population density and came up with some interesting, some interesting results on where the most sightings per capita are. In other words, for you know, 1000 100,000 residents. What's the number of UFO reports that have come in and those there are some hotspots that show up in there. For instance, in you know, Lincoln County, Nevada, which is right next to area 51 so they may be seeing test craft. But there are also some reports that are clearly strange. From there, some of the more remote areas of southeast Oregon, north north central Washington have a lot. So people tend to see, you know, it's interesting too. Arrow, which is the government's official UFO investigative agency right now took our data and analyzed it too, and came up with some conclusion that, well, people see more UFOs, whether where they have a clearer view of the sky, they're they're farther away from light pollution. You know, so common sense things where trees aren't blocking your view, you know, you're outside more whatever, you know, it's but, but they're literally everywhere. Anybody, anybody can see a UFO if you go outside at night, it's really correlates to how much time you spend outdoors, looking up, you know, looking around the dark night sky.
Nick VinZant 21:36
Have you ever seen one? Have you ever, like, filed a report?
Christian Stepien 21:39
I unfortunately haven't. I've seen things in the sky that are, I know other people have reported to UFOs for since the Star League satellites, which we were getting, just rashes of reports of those, they look like a long line of dots, just like, almost like a train going across the sky. But I have family members who have, I have lots of friends who have, and I've certainly talked to lots of people have, you know, working with newfork. So
Nick VinZant 22:05
are there certain instances that like, oh, that's kind of in the popular culture. Those are the big instances that kind of lots of people look for, like, the benchmarks, or whatever word that I'm supposed to
Christian Stepien 22:18
yeah, there's, there's UFO cases. You know, the Phoenix lights is probably the most one of the most famous ones. I remember that night the center was being just flooded with calls, you know, from all over the metro area and all over the valley. And it was just an incredible night. I actually heard some of the Navajo law enforcement Rangers speaking at a conference where they actually saw the craft a couple nights before flying over the Navajo reservation, described the exact same thing, and this was a massive Delta, or triangular shaped UFO that flew over the valley. Even the governor eventually came out and admitted that he saw it, and it was, you know, a real UFO, you know, Roswell. Of course, everybody knows about Roswell, right? And then you get into, you know, there's a lot of cases that have received a lot of press over the year, when you get abductions, you know, people have probably heard of Barney and Betty Hill, which is one of the first abduction cases there's, you know, different famous UFO cases, Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, all kinds of things that that have been kind of stood out and in the literature for a long time.
Nick VinZant 23:32
This one's kind of existential. I'm not sure if that's the right word, but that's the word I'm going to use. This one's kind of existential. What? What do you think would ultimately convince people, like, what would we need to have to be like, Oh, this is real, obviously,
Christian Stepien 23:47
if you had, you know, an alien standing next,
Nick VinZant 23:50
yeah, the press conference, right, like
Christian Stepien 23:54
that might be convincing. But then again, in this area of AI, maybe it wouldn't, I don't know, you know, the government, certainly, the government being more forthcoming and coming out and, you know, stating on it unequivocally that, yeah, it's real. There are flying saucers. There are things that we didn't make flying around our skies, guys. And we're, we admit it, we're trying to figure it out, you know, but we're not making much progress.
Nick VinZant 24:23
I kind of feel like it would take, like, there's got to be a press conference and the little green man, so to speak, it's got to be standing there with the spaceship behind him, like, that's, do you think it would take that much, or not quite that much? Well, that would help. That
Christian Stepien 24:38
would probably convince a lot of people. It's going to be a spectrum of some people are going to take less evidence to believe some people are going to take more. But again, it's not like the evidence isn't already there. It really is.
Nick VinZant 24:55
That's pretty much all the questions we got. If people want to learn more, where should they go? What should they do?
Christian Stepien 25:01
Well, they should, number one, go to our site, UFO center.com, and the number one thing I would tell your listeners is, please, if you have seen something, and I'm sure you have, if you got you know, as many listeners as I suspect you have, there's probably hundreds or 1000s of UFO reports out there waiting to be, you know, documented and preserved. So please go to our site and file a report and tell us what you saw. It doesn't matter if it was last week or, you know, 50 years ago. We want to collect those stories and make sure they're preserved forever.
Nick VinZant 25:36
I want to thank Christian so much for joining us. If you want to connect with him. We have linked to him on our social media sites. We're profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included his information in the episode description. And if you want to see videos of some of these UFOs, the YouTube version of this episode will be live on october 3, at 12:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of the show. If aliens come to earth, do you think that we survive as a species?
John Shull 26:17
Yes,
Nick VinZant 26:18
you do. Oh, I think we're dead as a doornail man. I think if aliens show up here, there's no way we're surviving anything like it's over.
John Shull 26:28
I think the main reason why we survive is, I mean, I've seen a lot of movies, you know what I mean? And right? I don't movies. I don't think you can go into another world's home field and just run it over, you know, like if someone death starred us, you know, just blew us up, the entire planet, okay? But to come and take over, I don't know, I don't know if that's happening.
Nick VinZant 26:54
I think you've seen too many movies. I think the reality is which history has played out even on our own planet. That generally, when a more advanced civilization encounters a less advanced civilization, it doesn't go well for the less advanced civilization. I think that if aliens show up here, we're we're done, like, it's only a matter, are they just going to destroy us, or are they going to just make us, like, do all their work? I
John Shull 27:18
guess that's kind of the thing is, I'm not entirely sure that you know that I think aliens that come here would be that much better than us. Is that naive, probably. But like, where are they getting this technology from? Like, what have they been doing for the last 300 years? Well, dude, they've
Nick VinZant 27:35
been probably traveling here. I mean, I think if you think about how big the universe is and the amount of technology would take another civilization to get here. They're probably going to hand us our ass pretty quickly. Like, I don't even think it's going to be a struggle. The amount of technology needed just to travel here is probably, like, leaps and bounds about what we have. Like, we've got nothing. We got nothing. We there's nothing we can sure. We
John Shull 28:01
do, we send astronauts into space and then we leave them there. It's fine. So
Nick VinZant 28:05
we're gonna send like, yeah, we do send like, we do send astronauts into space and didn't just leave them there. It's terrible. You think that they understood at all when they were so we're talking about the astronauts who are currently stranded somewhere, I'm not entirely sure, but like, that's probably the worst place that I would want to be stranded. Like, you're stranded where in space, oh, nobody's coming to get you. Like, yeah, we'll be there in okay, if you were stranded, what is the acceptable amount of time for someone to say that they're going to come get you?
John Shull 28:39
I mean, I mean, I guess it all depend on supplies. Like, if you're telling me that it's going to be like, six months to come get me and I have, like, six months worth of supplies, I'm probably freaking out a little bit.
Nick VinZant 28:53
Yeah, I guess they have enough supplies. But could you imagine being like, Hey, I'm stranded. When are we going to come get you? About a year and a half.
John Shull 29:02
Yeah, right. They look at their fake watches, well, we'll be there in 2037
Nick VinZant 29:08
I would, I know that it's not possible, but I would, if I was on the International Space Station, someone tell me, yeah, we're going to come get you in about 18 months. I would start to, like, wonder if I could just jump out. Like, could I just jump out and get back? Well, I'm
John Shull 29:24
going to sound completely ignorant, but what did that guy, the Red Bull guy, jump from a while back when he jumped from outer space?
Nick VinZant 29:32
I don't think it was anywhere close. I don't understand the stratosphere and the atmosphere and the lithosphere, or whatever all those spheres are, but I don't think it was anywhere close to where the space station was, because he had enough gravity that he still came back to Earth, whereas the space station isn't being pulled back into Earth, so it's much farther away. I think. Anyway, I pulled the audience. Everyone says, No, the question that. Asked is, if aliens arrive on Earth, do you think we survive? Everybody says no, so you're the only person who thinks that we survive. Aliens arriving on Earth
John Shull 30:10
shout outs. I don't mind. Do you mind uncomfortable silences? I don't mind them at all.
Nick VinZant 30:14
Oh, I can't handle it. I can't handle it. I can't handle Okay. How many seconds of silence can you handle with another person?
John Shull 30:24
As many as we need to. I don't mind it at all. I'll eventually get the the hit hint and be like, alright, well, conversation's over. I'll walk away now.
Nick VinZant 30:35
I don't, I don't think I'll tolerate more than five seconds of silence with somebody. If I have five seconds of silence during a conversation, I'm walking away.
Christian Stepien 30:46
Like, okay, yeah,
Nick VinZant 30:48
I try to actually actively end conversations before we even get to the silence part.
John Shull 30:55
Yeah, see, I'm, I'm cool with it. Like, I I'm, no, I mean, obviously you don't want silence. It's not, probably a good thing if you're having a jovial conversation. But I'm okay with you know, long silences, it doesn't bother me any
Nick VinZant 31:07
Oh, I can't stand it. I'm talking seconds. If I have more than three seconds of silence, I'm getting out of that conversation. I don't know how you just stand there. Like, what do you do? Just keep looking at em.
John Shull 31:20
Yeah, it's, it's really not that bad. I mean, you just, just wait for someone to say something. If nobody says something, then, alright, I'll see you later.
Nick VinZant 31:29
Oh, gosh, I can't do that.
John Shull 31:32
Yeah, like I said, it's, it's not that awkward in the moment. It's not like you're standing there for two minutes looking at the other person and they're looking at you just, you know? Well, I got nothing to say
Nick VinZant 31:43
to me. Every second of silence is five minutes. That's how it feels to me. It's an eternity. I can't handle silence.
John Shull 31:55
Yeah, tell us how you really feel. Alright. Uh, let's see here. Uh, let's start off with some Matthew Christianson, Matthias, the labo Kobe Haddad, Beckley, boy, don't think that's a real first name. I don't know the Beckley first
Nick VinZant 32:12
name. Who knows Beckley? Maybe the
John Shull 32:15
Baxter, Connor Johnson, Angelina, tarcoma, Thomas Lee, leewardsburg, Nahar Inkster, Wayne delofner, Lucas pellier and Alexander Rivera. I only picked literally the hardest names I could to say, but that's part of the fun now, right?
Nick VinZant 32:41
It is amazing to me that after all of these episodes, that you still read the shout outs like you've never heard any of these words before. It would be like I have a computer keyboard in front of me. This is you reading the shout out backspace. Enter. Shift. Page Up, yeah. Well, numb lock, like you have no idea what the word means, or if it's a real word, like you're just saying the thing that's in front of you. I like it.
John Shull 33:19
Well, let's we kind of have a somber section of the show now. We have three different obits to talk about. Oh, very different people. People are dropping here. People are
Nick VinZant 33:30
dropping like people are dropping fast. And there was another one just a second ago that maybe you didn't see. So, yeah, who are your obits on your on your thing? Oh, no, I
John Shull 33:41
got the latest one that, but we'll save that for
Nick VinZant 33:43
latest one that might Oh, yeah, let's, let's decide who's the biggest. So list them off, and then let's talk about them.
John Shull 33:48
Chris Christopherson, dicambay, matombo and Pete Rose.
Nick VinZant 33:55
You also forgot Maggie Smith.
John Shull 33:57
Oh, and, okay, yes. And Maggie, sorry, Dame, Maggie, Dame Maggie Smith,
Nick VinZant 34:01
I don't know what that means. It's hard, okay, Pete Rose, bigger than Dikembe Mutombo and Kris Kristofferson. I think Pete Rose is probably the most well known. Maybe not. It's, I think, in terms of just being well known. I think that Maggie Smith is probably ahead of Pete Rose internationally. But in the United States, I think Pete Rose is probably the biggest
John Shull 34:34
see. I would say internationally, dikamba Mutombo would probably be the most notable, because, I mean, he was, I mean, for a decade, he was, like, one of the best basketball players in the world,
Nick VinZant 34:48
yeah, but he wasn't the type of athlete that his career kept going after he was done, like Pete Rose, it only because of the scandal that was involved around him, like his name stayed up there. Her. I don't think that a lot of people who were like 18 to 25 now, people who were born after his career ended, know who he is.
John Shull 35:10
They know him for like Pete Rose. It's like they know to come in my tumbo for the commercial. You know, not in my house. No, no no. Oh,
Nick VinZant 35:18
yeah. He had a great No, no, no, yeah, he had a he, but I don't think he's Pete Rose level Kris Kristofferson, I think that we can agree is probably the the least famous of those people, even though he was very influential. But I think that he was at the he at the bottom of that heap.
John Shull 35:39
It's hard to say that he is number four because he's probably the most influential in terms of what he gave to the arts industry, probably the most influential person on this list. Um,
Nick VinZant 35:54
he's a lot of songs. Yeah, yeah. I
John Shull 35:57
mean, he's part of one of the most iconic country groups ever. You know, he was an actor. He was a road scholar. I mean, went to freaking Oxford, which I don't think people even realize,
Nick VinZant 36:10
Oh, he's a smart guy. Yeah. So anyways,
John Shull 36:14
and he was in the blade trilogy, just FYI.
Nick VinZant 36:19
I will say that Dame Maggie Smith is somebody that has been old the entire time I've known her.
John Shull 36:25
See, I was having this conversation about Chris Christopherson. I feel like Kris Kristofferson has been 55 ever since I've seen him like he's never changed.
Nick VinZant 36:34
He's always been old. He's always been old. The both of them have always been old. I would agree with that.
John Shull 36:40
I didn't know who Dame like. I didn't know the name. I didn't know the name until just just recently. You know, I always knew the face, but I didn't actually know who she was until just just recently. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 36:54
Harry Potter, hook, some other stuff.
John Shull 36:58
I'm not sure she was most recently, what's the Downton Abbey? That's where I that's where I first kind of recognized her from.
Nick VinZant 37:07
I always think it's downtown Abby. I guess it is known. Okay, so a lot of celebrity deaths, man, yeah,
John Shull 37:15
kind of, kind of wild. Yeah. That's a breaking news episode, because the Pete Rose stuff just broke within the last hour here, all
Nick VinZant 37:21
except for Dikembe Mutombo, though, lived to lived a pretty long life. I think they were all in their 80s, maybe their upper 80s, in some cases. So that's pretty like, if you hit 80, like, oh yeah, that's you were here for a while. Well,
John Shull 37:36
Dikembe Mutombo had brain cancer, which, you know, it's just incredible that, I don't know if anybody knew that, and then out of nowhere, he just dies of brain cancer. Like, holy cow.
Nick VinZant 37:48
There's some statistic that if you're seven feet tall or close to it, that, like, the chances of you living past 60 are almost nothing. There's some statistic that, if, like, if you're really tall, you don't live very long at all. I don't know what that statistic is, so don't do it in any way. But still,
John Shull 38:07
don't worry. I don't think anyone's going to hold all that against you. Um, I do feel like The taller you are, kind of the sooner your death comes as, oh,
Nick VinZant 38:16
yeah, it's a thing. I mean, you got more cells that potentially can have more things going wrong, like shorter people tend to live longer lives.
John Shull 38:24
So I don't have too much to bring up. I did want to ask you one question that are one of a couple questions that I was thinking of. So everyone knows that hurricane Helen hit the Florida the panhandle area Tampa went up into the Carolinas, and this kind of goes along with your space comment. Is there any more of a helpless feeling, you think, than storm surge, because you know it's coming and there's nothing you can do about it. Just get out of its way. It's going to damage everything in your house. There's nothing you can do about it.
Nick VinZant 38:58
I so. I'm a former news reporter covered a number of hurricanes, John Still works in the news. There's nothing like water. Water just it's unstoppable and it ruins everything, like it just ruins everything, and all that comes with it, in terms of the diseases and the conditions and the mold, water just ruins everything. And you can, like at least a wildfire, you can, you know, do back burns. You can try to fight a water flow. There's nothing you're doing against water,
John Shull 39:30
all right, Oasis, they got back together. Do you give a shit? Because I do not.
Unknown Speaker 39:36
No.
John Shull 39:39
Do do you think Oasis is popular because of the time that they produced music in, or because people actually care about two brothers who sometimes are mad at each other break up and then get back together.
Nick VinZant 39:53
I think they're one of those bands that tapped into kind of the spirit of the time. Mm. I think that they did that. I couldn't, I wouldn't know if I would look back on their music and be like, Oh, that was really good.
John Shull 40:07
Like, from a I'm sure there's many people, by the way, right now that are pissed off. Is
Nick VinZant 40:13
supposedly good? Like, I would never be like, man, like I just, is is that, is that, I think that that just tapped into a time speaking,
John Shull 40:25
you have somebody, somebody posted this the other day. I can't take credit for this. That Jelly Roll is just the American country version, male version of Adele.
Nick VinZant 40:37
I don't know who jell and Jelly Roll is, but, yeah, I think you know who Jelly Roll is. I don't know who Jelly Roll is. I don't listen to country music.
John Shull 40:45
But how do you guys even know who he is as a person like he's actually I don't listen
Nick VinZant 40:48
to country music. If you've heard one country music song, you've heard all of the songs for the next five years. You only need to listen to country music once every five years.
John Shull 41:00
But it has, it has nothing to do with, uh, like him just being a country artist, like he's bigger than country music.
Nick VinZant 41:07
Obviously, not. I don't know who he is. No, no, he's that big. I would know who he is. I'm just telling you, man, you listen to one country song every five years. You're good. They're all the same.
John Shull 41:20
They are. I mean, I'm not, I'm not disagreeing. I just can't believe I thought You almost said that you had never heard of Adele either, and then we were gonna have issues. Adele
Nick VinZant 41:27
is a uniquely talented individual with a wonderful personality. I like Adele, don't so whoever Jelly Roll is she? He's no Adele.
John Shull 41:36
Is that true about uh, Adele? Because I feel like I have no idea. I don't know. I feel like, you know, I don't know what to believe last that, or the fact that Taylor Swift is purposefully trying to stay out of the limelight at Kansas City Chiefs games. Now, people now are asking, where is she? All right, you ready to move on to her top
Speaker 1 41:54
five? It's time. The Outlaw candle connoisseur, yes, Rides Again, candle of the month. Man,
John Shull 42:06
I am so happy. I was, I was hoping you would have forgotten, because then I wanted to cut you off and be like, No, it's candle the month time. But you definitely, you came through. You texted me
Nick VinZant 42:19
about it, like four times about Cal, it's candle of the month today.
John Shull 42:22
Yeah, man, I'm excited. Um, so Alright, did
Nick VinZant 42:25
you bring the candle? Like you've been saying you're going to bring the candle.
John Shull 42:30
I did not bring the candle, and I'm I have a reason for that, but it's not a believable reason, to be honest. Okay, well, let's hear the reason. So my father in law was in town last week, and he stayed in the basement, which is where I have most of my candles, and he was moving around like a Tupperware, one of those big blue Tupperware bins, Mm, hmm, and set it on top of one of my candle boxes. Just happened to be the candle that was in there that I was going to be using for this episode. The the the weight from the blue box caved in the top of the other box and cracked like five or six candles.
Nick VinZant 43:07
How many wait you have a box that's just containing nothing but extra candles?
John Shull 43:12
I have two boxes and I have like, two things under my basement sink of candles. So
Nick VinZant 43:19
how many total candles Do you have just sitting in your house at any one time?
John Shull 43:23
I mean, I don't know, probably, probably a little less than 50.
Nick VinZant 43:29
You have 50 candles in your house and a little less than 50. So that really means you've got 7575 that means you have 1000 Wait, if you have 75 candles, let's assume that each one is $10 which is not true. That's $750 worth of candles that are just sitting around your house. That's right, you probably have $1,200 worth of candles around there, right? Because what's your average candle? 20 bucks?
Christian Stepien 43:56
Yeah, you
Nick VinZant 43:58
could say that's $1,500 worth of candles and your house at any one time.
John Shull 44:03
I mean, is, is somebody going to come and steal my candles?
Nick VinZant 44:10
I mean, they will. Now you want to tell me your address. Were you devastated? What was your reaction when you saw your candles had been crushed. He crushed like five, and it wasn't about like candles then,
John Shull 44:26
no, it. It was a pure accident. He didn't mean to do it. He didn't really see you. He didn't really see anything. I found it the next day, and his response was, oh, I guess I, I did hear a couple of things break, but I, I didn't think it was anything important.
Nick VinZant 44:42
What? Wow, what? He doesn't respect you as a man. He doesn't know that's basically just took the thing that you cherish most in life, crushed it, and didn't even bother to acknowledge its existence to you. Yeah, that's what he did to you. You were like, Hey, Dad. Man, look at this thing I painted in school today, and he just crumpled it up and threw away. He just crumpled it up in front of your face and threw it away. Let's
John Shull 45:09
not get into what Papa Shaw used to say, I don't think I'd have candles. I don't think I had any candles when I lived with him. And that's that's nothing against him, just the way that I grew up.
Nick VinZant 45:24
Okay, well, you see, I guess you grow up without candles. You just have $1,500 worth of candle sitting around jobs. Anyway, what is the damn candle I
John Shull 45:32
want? I think that I should get to have a friggin t shirt that says the candle connoisseur with me holding a candle with a whip. Uh, I don't
Nick VinZant 45:39
think anything's stopping you. Maybe Show some initiative.
John Shull 45:45
I don't I'm not, no, that is not something that I'm going to create, because that I think
Nick VinZant 45:49
I should have this thing and someone should just give it to me. I'm not going to put any effort in creating it. I like it.
John Shull 45:56
Yeah, duh. Me being here every Monday is enough for the people, okay? If they wanted more, they would demand more,
Nick VinZant 46:08
okay, all right, hey, man, no, you're worth,
John Shull 46:13
uh, I'm worth a lot. All right, um, so head over to BJs. You Yeah. Why is that funny?
Nick VinZant 46:26
No reason. Somebody, uh,
John Shull 46:29
go to BJs. Somebody
Nick VinZant 46:29
told me name BJ. Told me a good joke the other day.
John Shull 46:34
If you're not familiar with BJ, uh or BJs, they are a wholesaler like Costco or whatever you have around you. I don't know if you have a BJs near you, but you probably do. So they have several different lines of candles. They have one that they teamed up with Yankee Candle, and it's called witches brew, yo. So go to BJs to the deli counter first, and then stop by the candle section. There's
Nick VinZant 47:04
a deli counter in the BJs, there's slang and meat at BJs, they're
John Shull 47:09
slang and mate, um, get
Nick VinZant 47:11
your sausage and BJs, get your sausage cared for it. BJ,
John Shull 47:16
yeah. Anyways, get your Witches Brew candle three. Wick gonna run you about 20 bucks as like a kind of a black licorice cherry type of smell, but goes well so far with all the Halloween stuff we put up, and it just kind of gets you in the season. It's plus, it's kind of cool. The artwork on it is pretty awesome, and I never thought I'd find it. We are Costco members, but we got a free trial at BJs. And I gotta tell you, BJs kind of coming through on some things. So can't go wrong with BJ. Cannot go wrong with true words have probably never
Nick VinZant 47:55
been spoken like it's hard to go wrong, like even if you're not doing it, well, you're still doing it. So it really doesn't even matter, right? It All. Just keep going. Eventually it
John Shull 48:11
all changes when you get older. Um, anyways, I feel less. I
Nick VinZant 48:17
get more. Oh, boy. Um,
John Shull 48:20
I figured you would enjoy that for not only the store name, but also the candle. So that's it. Check it out. BJs, which is brew. It's a good Halloween esque candle.
Nick VinZant 48:32
Did you see the price? By the way, did you see the price? Yeah, it's
John Shull 48:34
about 20 bucks. You know, tax, probably about 22 it's it's normal price. Like you said, I have $1,500 worth in my house. So you cannot
Nick VinZant 48:43
believe you have that many boxes of candles. Don't tell
John Shull 48:46
me to put thought into something. I'm buying candles just to buy effing candles. All right, yeah,
Nick VinZant 48:52
you that's an addiction. You're addicted to just buying candles.
John Shull 48:57
I'm just trying. I just want, once a month our listeners and viewers to have the best suggestion that I can
Nick VinZant 49:05
make. How much time a day do you spend looking at candles on the internet? Like, okay, cuz I do this that when I log on to the internet for the day when I'm supposed to be working or doing something else, like, I'm going to check certain sites. Are you checking four candles every time you log on to the internet.
John Shull 49:25
No, but I'm I, I'm subscribed to, you know, like company newsletters and things so, like, anytime something comes out, I'll open it in my email and it takes me to their page. Or, you know, so funny.
Nick VinZant 49:42
It's not funny for anybody else to do. It's funny for me to do because I just can't believe it. No, do what you like. Man, whatever. I'm
John Shull 49:53
not even if you I'm not even sure how the scandals, not even sure how this even started. Mean, we probably have to go back to 2021 or something. But
Nick VinZant 50:03
oh how candle the month got started some random conversation about something. Uh, okay, are you ready for our top five?
John Shull 50:10
I am. Let's do it. So our top five
Nick VinZant 50:13
are top five least rewatchable movies and TV shows. So something that you watched, you liked it, but I you would never watch that again. She number five.
John Shull 50:25
Number five, we're going to start in the TV show realm, for me, and that is The Walking Dead.
Nick VinZant 50:30
I have never seen that, but I heard that the quality of that decreased greatly.
John Shull 50:38
Yeah, it was, you know, after probably the first or second season. It's almost, in my opinion, like it became just episode filler episodes for eight of them, and then the final, you know, the season finale, was anything that was going to happen happened, and then that was just kind of that recycle over and over again.
Nick VinZant 50:56
Oh, it's like eight episodes, and nothing that everybody everything happens at the last minute, and then it's like, Okay, start over again. You gotta watch a whole another season. Yeah, that's a little annoying. Um, my number five is uncut gems. I just can't handle that much anxiety. Like, I don't want to be that anxious again.
John Shull 51:16
I don't remember, I don't think I've seen that movie. I don't think I have or it's surprising
Nick VinZant 51:22
that it's Adam Sandler and Kevin Garnett, like two people you don't think are going to be somehow great, or is Adam Sandler and Kevin Garnett? And you're like, oh, they did a really good job in that movie.
John Shull 51:33
I'm sorry, did you say Adam Sandler and Kevin Garnett?
Nick VinZant 51:36
Yeah, and they were both great,
John Shull 51:39
like the ex basketball player, yep,
Nick VinZant 51:42
yep, and okay. Then the comedian, they were fantastic in it. They did a great job. Never,
John Shull 51:51
huh, never, ever would have thought that. Yeah, at all. So we'll
Nick VinZant 51:55
watch it, and you'll watch it once, and then be like, I can't watch that again.
John Shull 51:59
I feel like I could put any Adam Sandler movie on my list, really, that I don't have to watch ever again.
Nick VinZant 52:06
You could make a pretty strong argument that Adam Sandler is the most, or is the most unrewatchable star, because pretty much any movie that he's been in I've never watched again. Yeah, I can't think of a single Adam Sandler movie that I've been like, I'll watch that again.
John Shull 52:27
Him, uh, and Seth Rogen are probably up there for me. Like, there hasn't been one Seth Rogen movie I've seen where I was like, Yeah, I'd like to go back and watch that again.
Nick VinZant 52:36
I would agree with that. I don't watch rewatch a lot of Seth Rogen movies either. What's your number four?
John Shull 52:41
Alright? So no one's going to believe this, but this is the Absolute Truth, if you know me, but any of the Fast and the Furious movies after the first one,
Nick VinZant 52:52
oh yeah, there's no reason to rewatch that. That's just like, dumb fun.
John Shull 52:55
Yeah, I just like you. You watch it once you're like, Okay, this is cool cars, flipping stunts. Acting is horrible. I don't need to watch it again.
Nick VinZant 53:05
You can't actually put any thought into a Fast and the Furious movie. Like, if you put any thought into that, it's like, Wait, how did somebody who was a mechanic become a super spy, right? Did they have any training? They just, they're just super spies now, okay, yeah, I would agree that makes sense. I don't have it on my list, but that's a good one. Uh, my number four is Joker. I never thought about watching that movie again, even though I enjoyed it.
John Shull 53:36
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I probably only go back to watch it, just because, you know, I want to see if I missed something. But, yeah, I could see that. Okay, number three. Uh, so this is kind of all encompassing, which isn't fair, but really any of, like, the really popular family sitcoms, like friends, Seinfeld, Big Bang Theory, like, I have no interest in going back and rewatching any of those, like, at all. I
Nick VinZant 54:06
can see that, I think that that's hard, because I think for a family sitcom to be really popular at a certain time, it also has to tap into that certain time, sure, and then once it's over, you really can't go back.
John Shull 54:19
Yeah, right. You're absolutely right. A lot of those are like, like, going back and watching full house now. You're like, well, that's kind of creepy. Like, or
Nick VinZant 54:28
like, for even friends, like, I rewatched an episode of Friends years ago because I was at somebody's house and they were watching it. I was like, Why was this ever good?
John Shull 54:39
Yeah, right. It's, yeah, it's not good.
Nick VinZant 54:41
It's not, uh, my number three is Requiem for a Dream.
John Shull 54:46
Okay, another one where I know I've seen it, but yeah, I don't, I don't tell you much about it, and don't care to, okay,
Nick VinZant 54:52
yeah, it's, it's a hard one to watch.
John Shull 54:57
Um, so my number two, once again, this is kind of a series. Uh, but any of the Jurassic Park movies after the first one?
Nick VinZant 55:05
Oh, I don't even know if I've seen him. I think the first Jurassic Park movie turned me off of all other Jurassic Park movies like, I didn't even ever need to see another Jurassic Park movie like I saw the first one. Oh,
John Shull 55:16
and it was great, right? It's like mind blowing,
Nick VinZant 55:20
right? You couldn't ever do better than that. There was never, you were never going to top the first one. Yeah. So why make it again? Never, yeah, all right. Might be one of those movie, movie franchises where the first one was the best one, and you could, not only could you not, you just couldn't ever make a better movie than that.
John Shull 55:41
Absolutely, 100% not even close. Uh,
Nick VinZant 55:44
what number are we on?
John Shull 55:46
Hey, we're on your number two.
Nick VinZant 55:48
My number two is a tie between a couple of movies because I couldn't really decide, but they're all ones that like, Oh, I couldn't watch that again. That was kind of disturbing. Uh, so my number two is girl with a dragon tattoo Black Swan and then prisoners.
John Shull 56:04
Okay, don't know what the last one is, but I've seen the first two, and I agree with you.
Nick VinZant 56:08
Yeah, those are hard. Let me make sure I got actually the right it is prisoners. I think it's with like, what's his name? Oh yeah, I could never. Maybe that's not the right movie. Oh no, that is I could never watch that movie again. I was like, Whoa. That was a lot not doing that again. Just
John Shull 56:27
yeah, just so out of the three of those movies, if you had to watch one again, if you had to, which one would you pick? Probably
Nick VinZant 56:36
Black Swan. I think was the best of them. But even then, I would be like, Oh, I'd watch Black Swan again. No, I'm not going to watch Black Swan again. Like, no, I'm good. I'm good to number one.
John Shull 56:51
Probably not popular choices, but I have two of my number one, and that is Scarface and the godfather.
Nick VinZant 57:00
Oh, you could why those?
John Shull 57:03
I just, I have no interest, and I've seen them, and I, you know, it's like, those are, those are movies where you pick up, and maybe it's because how, I'm not saying they're not well done movies, but like, I can't go back and rewatch Scarface, like I already know it all. I don't want to see dudes getting chopped up, or, you know, terrible accents, you know, or anything like, I'm over it, I've seen it. Let's move on.
Nick VinZant 57:28
But the Godfather is, like a classic in subtlety, like, that's a movie that you can notice different things each time when you watch it. So I can kind of understand Scarface, like, alright, it's, it is kind of a typical, like, type of that movie, like, oh yeah, this is what happens. Here's the rise, here's the fall, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, right? It does follow a similar pattern, but I don't know why you got the Godfather on the list. That's just what's going to get you that's going to get you insulted. Just to stir it up a little bit, my number one is Game of Thrones. The ending of Game of Thrones completely ruined. Ever re watching Game of Thrones again? Because even though I enjoyed the first six seasons, just knowing what happened in the last two means I can't watch that ruined the whole series for me.
John Shull 58:22
I mean, I think I could go back and rewatch Game of Thrones regardless, just because there's so much happening in the six or seven seasons it was on. So I don't, I don't, I wouldn't let the ending ruin me going back like I may not watch the ending again, but I would go back and watch other episodes for sure. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 58:42
I thought that I could do that, but then I wasn't able to, just because knowing, but like, oh yeah, but that's how it ended. It just had so much promise, uh, what's your honorable mention?
John Shull 58:55
Um, you know, it was really, I mean, it was really hard for me to kind of nitpick. Like, like, specific, specific movies, I can say that, um, I did put, like, any of the Avengers movies, like, yeah, comic
Nick VinZant 59:11
book movies aren't super rewatchable. You can watch scenes on YouTube, but not the movie, yeah,
John Shull 59:16
like, so then it got me thinking, what are like, really rewatchable things. It's really just kid stuff, really like Disney movies. But I also put anything that's one best picture in the Academy Awards, but I don't think that's right,
Nick VinZant 59:36
yeah. Well, those aren't really, like, generally good movies. I'm never like, Oh, yeah.
John Shull 59:45
So what about you?
Nick VinZant 59:49
Uh, Schindler's List
John Shull 59:51
is on there. Yeah, that's a that's a heavy one. That's definitely watch,
Nick VinZant 59:56
not gonna rewatch Schindler's List. I'm. Most of mine I used up in combination with other things, ones that other ones are like, Manchester by the Sea is one that I've heard melancholia is a movie that I started watching. But it was like, Oh, I'm not finishing that. That was too intense. How have you not finished that drink? Yet
Unknown Speaker 1:00:18
it's almost gone. You've been
Nick VinZant 1:00:19
drinking out of that thing like every three seconds for the last 42 minutes and you haven't finished it. What flavor? Yeah, happy
John Shull 1:00:26
now it's gone. I am actually you can't have heartburn, but it's gone.
Nick VinZant 1:00:32
Oh, okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps us out. Normally. Here I would give my thoughts and what I really think the number one should be, but I can't do that. I can't do that in this episode because my mind is just boggled by the fact that John has 75 candles, 75 candles in boxes around his house. That's a lot of came the man. The man, there is no place else you should be going for any kind of candle recommendations, because whenever you think about that number, the man knows his candles, you.