Hand and Feet Model Joelle Graham
From Movies and Television Shows, to High-End Advertisements and Hello Kitty Videos, chances are you’ve seen her hands and feet. Now, meet the woman behind them. Hand and Feet Model Joelle Graham joins us for a behind the scenes look at Parts Modeling. We talk what it takes to be a hand model, the secret to her money-making feet and the oddness of wearing gloves while driving. Then, it’s Kindergarten vs. Senior Year as we countdown the Top 5 Grades.
Joelle Graham: 01:17
Pointless: 15:58
Top 5 Grades: 30:14
Interview with Hand and Feet Model Joelle Graham
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Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick vinzant Coming up in this episode what it takes to be a hand model and the best grades
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they my mother always said, I've had beautiful hands. Nail artists always say, Oh, you have such long nail beds. Doubling, as I said, is a big thing. And so, like, I did a commercial with Jennifer Aniston, and it was, I was for double I do wear gloves a lot, which looks ridiculous in California, and so I'll be at a red light, and people look over and it's like, you know, 105 degrees in Los Angeles right now.
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I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate. It really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a long time listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guest, because she has some of the best looking hands in the world. This is hand model. Joelle Graham, so what is it about your hands?
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They my mother always said I had beautiful hands. Male artists always say, Oh, you have such long nail beds. I think that's what my agent would say, like, Oh, you have very elegant hands. But I think the long fingers, the long nail beds, long nails, I have a dancer background, so I think I have like, very graceful movements with my hands. And so I feel like I get like, a lot of like, beauty products and things like that.
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I don't know how else to say this. So take this with a grain of salt, right? Like, if I look at your hands are like, Oh, those look like the hands of a rich woman. Oh, okay, yes,
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exactly yes. Like, so probably high end products, like I do. Like, high end jewelry a lot like I've done, John, John desant, you know, engagement rings, Suzanne Cowan,
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for kind of comparison. Like, if you look at my hands, would I be a hand mod? Or, like, oh, man, your hands are,
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I mean, you have manly hands. So I feel like you could do, like, you know, like Home Depot, yeah, like Home Depot, yes, exactly. I think that's the thing. I think that, I think that there is work for all kinds of hands that, having said, there are things that shoot more like, you know, there's a ton of beauty products, you know, so elegant, nice hands that fit well for beauty products. Work a lot, you know, but like, if you have a special skill, like, my partner is a professional musician and during the pandemic, when he was working in theater and everything closed down, he was out here, and I asked my agent. I was like, hey, you know I was gonna cut up his hands, because I say he has, like, I don't know how he plays guitar with these fat makers. They were like, I was like, hey, is there any work for a musician for hand modeling during the pandemic? And he's like, send me pictures. You never know. He was like, something comes up and they're asking, like, hey, we need, like, a highly skilled guitar player for this shoot. Then Absolutely, y'all, you know, I'll just keep him in mind.
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So not only do you have to have kind of nice hands, but you it's better to have, like, nice hands and some skills along with it
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exactly, exactly like I also I have drawing skills. So I do, one of my clients that hires me a lot is Hello Kitty Sanrio. And they have a whole YouTube channel where they do, like crafting videos and baking videos. So I do those a lot because I don't know that there are a lot of hand models with drawing skills and like with OPI, with nail stuff too. Like, even sometimes it's just print. It's not video, you know, but you want to like, they want you to hold it elephantly and polish right here, you know, you can like, how can you hold this bottle? So that it looks beautiful, you know, so that it sounds silly, it instantly, but, but it comes in handy. And also, because I, I was an actor, so, you know, just, I think that's probably one of the the more difficult things, I think for people who don't already have experience on set, I think it's like, you really need, all you really need to do is, like, have nice hands and like, hit your mark, right? So if I'm like, you know, like, the new whatever, and action, you know what I mean? Like, I have to hit that same spot every time.
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It has to be exactly there to match where the light and the camera is right. It's like,
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you know, you want to get the right glint. See the clinch on that. So that's not covering the label.
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So it's positioning of it. Like there is some technical ability that has to go along with this a little
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bit. And it's one of those things where, you know, as an actor, you're on set, you're like, oh, I have to, like, hit that mark, and also remember my lines, and also cry, no, like when you're when you're a hand model, like you already have the experience. You're like, oh, yeah, I just have to hit that mark. Great. And if he's like, Oh, can you. Wonderful, great job. And you're like, Oh, okay. And
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for people that maybe, like this might sound like a foreign language too, like, when you're shooting things with a camera, they're probably on. I always get micro, macro confused, but a really small focus. So like, if you're a little bit off, the whole picture is off. So like, being in that exact spot becomes much more important than, like, Well, wait, why? Just move the camera? No, no, you gotta be right there. Yeah,
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for phones too, like, I, I was on the hair model for, like, at&t, on a lot of commercials, and when you bring it up, you know, the glare on the phone, but they're going to, like, it's usually, like, upgrade screen, or, like, just a black phone, but they're going to put something in it, you know. And so if that glare is in the wrong place, or whatever you they won't be able to do that, you know, in post. So,
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so how did you like, how did you get into this? Did you know, like, were you destined to be a hand?
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I mean, I was, I was an actor. I studied musical theater in college, and I went into theater, and I toured a lot, and then I came out here on the West Coast, and I stayed after being on a Broadway tour and the commercials as an actor and stuff. And I on set one time a woman was like, because, you know, if you're actually in the virtual sometimes they'll use your hands for close ups, whatever. And I remember a DP or something saying, like, Oh, you have great hands. You should be a hand model. And I was like, because I didn't really know that was like a thing. I thought, well, like, maybe, like, real models, you know, fashion models, whatever, also obviously do the hands. And some of them do, um, but it's a very specific thing, because, you know, having like, the face you want always doesn't equate to having the hands they want for, you know, especially for like, fashion and things like that. And that's sort of how I fell into it. I didn't think it was a thing, but then, like, I started to ask around, and I heard, oh, people just do hand bottling, their hand bottling agents. And so what I ended up doing was, like, compiling a little video of, like, a lot of the commercials and like films I had done where they teach my hands doing something. And work started coming in pretty quick after that. So that was just sort of how it happened.
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Okay, put all humbleness aside, just for, like, our perspective. So, like, on a scale of one to 1010, being the highest. Like, where are you? Kind of in the demand scale of hand models,
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I don't know where I am and and the demand of things I do, you know, like a good month for me is, like, I'm working like, four or five times, four or five shoots, you know. So I'd say that's pretty, pretty average. So like,
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kind of, like a regular, full time kind of living thing,
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it pays really well. I mean, I just to give you a better idea, maybe on the low end, you're making like 800 bucks for like an eight hour day, or like 600 for four hours. But like on the higher end, like I think I did like a weekend shoot for commercial that, like, ended up making 10 grand.
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So what is it like? What what is the company need a hand model for like is in the sense of like, okay, if you use my hands instead of yours, the product's not going to sell. Like, is that how they look at it? Well,
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I think that it's just like in the close up shots. You know, you want everything to look good, especially for beauty and that sort of thing. Like, you want it so you want a nice hand that can hold things well. So I do think that's, it's really important to have, like, you know, a good looking hand holding the product the company wants that
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it sets a tone for who you think is using the product.
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Yeah, it's like, they want someone who's like people want to be or people, you know what I mean. The other thing too is, you know, doubling, as I said, is a big thing. And so, like, you hire a hand model on set, say, like I, I did a commercial with Jennifer Aniston, and it was, I was for double, right? And it's not because she has perfectly lovely hands, but they pay her a lot more than they pay me, right? So it's just easier for them to hire me. Yeah,
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it's a lot better to pay time and a half on 100 bucks an hour than 1000s of dollars an hour. Does doubling happen a lot, or is that more? No,
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that's a big thing in industry, for sure. Doubling I just did. Can I say this? I think so, because the trailer's out Ariana grande's Hands in, like, a couple campaigns for, I don't know if I'm gonna say the products, but the products that are, like doing campaigns along with the wicked film that's coming out. Um, so I was her hands in, in those shoots. You know, had done gross I'd done Natalie Portman. I'd done, I did a bunch of Jergens ads for a long time, and it was Leslie Mann. I did an IHOP commercial, and I think she's she wasn't there. My shoot was on a different day, but she was in the main part of the commercial. And then I did the hands with the close up the pancakes.
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So now I know you do hands, but now do you do other parts as well?
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I just. Feet pretty often. Um, that's usually choose,
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is feet any different than doing hands?
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I mean, there is an acting as, I know it sounds stupid, but there is an acting aspect to all of it, because the energy you emits, you know, comes through in your parts, you know, as you're speaking and everything. So there is something, you know, like, that was a very sexy commercial. And so, like, you know, if you just kind of, like, you have to think you do it with your whole body, but they're just doing your feet, you know, yeah, like, often times, like, I'll, you know, if you watch me doing it, like, I'm acting in my face and my whole body, but they're just shooting the feet, you know, because it it reads,
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does the feet thing get weird? Though
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it can well, but the seat too. I mean, I have nice feet. And I think obviously a lot of people who do foot modeling have nice feet, but even on camera, feet are just kind of weird, and people don't look at them that much. I have really, I have really long toes, which my partner makes fun of. He says, I have alien feet. I was like, these alien feet make money, dude,
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it's a good response. Um, are you ready for some harder slash? Listener submitted questions. Sure. Is there someone who is considered the greatest hand model of all time? There's
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this chick who I think was the first hand metal I knew about, and she had been doing it for a really long time. I'm gonna forget her last name, and I started following her on Instagram, and it's like Adele Adele something, but she's one of those hand models who's worked on both coasts for a really long time, and I, I feel like there would like a lot of articles and stuff done about her. You know, that's how I sort of knew the hand model was a thing in itself. Adele Udo, yeah, yeah.
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Maybe that's it. How much does the complexion make a difference? Is there, like, a complexion, like, Okay, if you have this complexion, oh, you're getting a lot of work.
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I think, like, all of these skin tones were, like, really a big trend for a long time, because it looks good on camera, you know. And I do think there's a lot more for African American skin tones and Asian American. I'm part Filipino, so that's sort of where my olive, olivey tones come in. Indian I know there's a lot of East Indian cam models in my agency, and so I think darker skin tones are really trending right now, but it's like with everything in the industry, you know, trends change. So I don't think there's one particular. And again, with doubling, you know, you you need all kinds, you know, because there are celebrities of all kinds, and they're doing commercial and they need a hand double. So
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are your hands insured? They're not. But I was recently wondering
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if I should do that? Um, yeah, that is something I should do. Maybe because, yeah, that, you know, if something would happen to my hands, you know, that would be a
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problem. Do you like specifically not do certain things? I'm
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very much a DYI girl with everything. So I do a lot of things, but I have taken a lot of protections, you know, like, I do wear gloves a lot, which looks ridiculous in California. Um, I'll be, like, at a red light. Always driving. I have my gloves. And because you're the sunlight through the windshield, you get so much sun, right? And so I'll be at a red light, and people look over and it's like, you know, 105 degrees in Los Angeles right now, and always driving the other day with my gloves at the red light, somebody looks over at me and they're like, I'm like, yeah, yeah.
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Look away. Look away. These hands make money, man, leave me alone. And
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so I've always felt like really silly doing that. But now I do it, you know, cooking, like always, like frying stuff, you know, the oil will splash up or whatever, and I'll be like, oh, man, like that, a little burn. And I have, like, a regimen now, like, I know, like, madderma skin cream is something I use all the time when I get like, a scratch or something, because it heals things up really easily. A girlfriend told me about that she got it when she was pregnant for stretch marks. She's like, it's so good. I have also the cat, so an occasional cat scraps or something, you know, and cat when you're a fan model, I love cats, and I love cactuses, which is like, should be like, a total No, no.
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I have to ask you about, like, the gloves, though, like, are we talking like you're wearing mittens around? Are you just, well,
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like, my I have like, a pair of, like, leather driving
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Oh, so it's not like you got like, big kitchen mittens. Just
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that would be hilarious if I wore like five holders around. You
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know what, though, but I used to live in Arizona, which was obviously incredible. Incredibly hot, and people would do that. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, you'd see people like, because you get in the car and your steering wheel's so hot, yeah, but so that's pretty much all the questions that I got. What's kind of coming up next for you? How can people learn more that kind of stuff?
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Well, I guess you can follow me on Instagram. I'm always like posting my. Hand modeling stuff there. I'm Joelle Brianne, J, O, E, L, L, E, B, R, I, a, n, n, e is my instagram name? Um, I have a Hello Kitty shoot coming up soon. I don't know. Like, like I said, the industry ebbs and flows. Like, August was crazy busy. Even after Labor Day, it kind of slowed down. So I'm kind of like, oh, I don't really know what's next. Other than that, Hello Kitty shoot, where I'll be drawing Hello Kitty character.
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I want to thank Joelle so much for joining us. If you want to connect with her, we have linked to her on our social media account. We're profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included her information in the episode description. And if you want to see more of joelle's hands plus an extended version of this interview, the YouTube version will be live on September 19, at 12:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Scholl and get to the pointless part of the show, outside of your family. How many people know your middle name? Many
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actually, because I have a kind of a peculiar middle name, so if you hear it, you usually don't forget it. It's Euclid, isn't it? It is Euclid. Yes,
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I don't think more than 10 people know my middle name, even including family. I
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know it, but I think, think I've forgotten it. Is it Anthony
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no kazmer? It's a Polish name, named after
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my grandfather. What's my wife's middle name? Even every girl
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that I've ever dated or been in a relationship with, I should actually just say every girl I've been in a relationship with, including my wife, has had the middle name Michelle. Every girl, every single one, it's not a lot, but every single girl that I have been in a relationship with has had the middle name Michelle, well,
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and that name almost ended. My wife and I's first date before it even got going. So, oh,
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wait, what? Why Michelle call your wife the wrong name.
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So I was pseudo dating another girl named Michelle when I went on a a date with my wife, and while we were sitting at, you know, dinner, I said, Well, Michelle, it's been really nice to getting to know you. And I tried playing it off that, you know, I was nervous. And for anyone who knows my wife now, Melissa, you know that she knew, she mean, she knew exactly what had happened, but tell you what I did. Went home and ended things with Michelle because I knew that my Melissa was going to be a keeper.
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Yeah, you can't really date people with similar names. There's just way. There's just way too much of an opportunity for a mishap I have also in a previous relationship called the new girlfriend by the old girlfriend's name didn't go, didn't go over. Well, it was like she almost got in a car accident, and I yelled the old girlfriend's name on accident.
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So here's something else to make fun of me about. I was down, or I was outside cutting some some branches off of a large tree we have, and I had an ax, and I was feeling very manly about myself. Okay, alright, good. Well, my neighbor comes over, who I've talked about on this podcast before. God love him, and he brought me a Sawzall because he said it looked like I was struggling. Oh, you
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had another man tell you that he thought you were struggling with an ax.
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Well, his his exact words were, you've been out here for a while. You must be tired. I have a Sawzall. But he already had the saws already. It wasn't like, Hey, I have one too, by the way, but it wasn't like, Hey, do you have one? Do you need one? He was just like, hey, you know, use my sawza He brought an extension cord to plug it into a power outlet on the side of my house.
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Okay? Was he being friendly, or did he legitimately realize that you were struggling?
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I first of all, first off, I don't think I was struggling. I was sweating, I was panting. But, I mean, what
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were you trying to do? Let's, let's get the parameters here and decide, let's find this out. Okay, so you were trying to do what
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cut uh, trying to trim a tree. I guess you could say because with an ax? Well, I because I didn't know where my, god damn it, I didn't know where my sawzall was. And okay,
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there all right. So look, I'm gonna just keep a strike. I'm gonna keep a tally. Okay, so that's Strike one. Man should know where his tools are. So that's Strike one.
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My wife had made me angry because she had said, letting
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this situation get letting this situation get to you. Strike two,
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I had a chainsaw, and she told me the branches are too small for a chainsaw. And I was like, I don't think they're that small for a chainsaw. So let me got into a little bit of a spat. Yeah, I grabbed
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having somebody else tell you how to operate your tool, strike three, grabbed a
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grabbed an ax, and I said, I'm gonna go cut this.
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Well, wait a minute. You were, did you were you gonna try to actually cut down the tree, or were you just gonna try to, like, swing the AX up above your head and cut the tree? Well, that's what I
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was doing when I was well, that's not gonna work. It did work. I got like five good size, you know, limbs down.
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There's a difference between something working and doing something enough that it actually starts to work. I
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can tell you, though, if you've ever done that, the whole sheet, the whole tree shook and was just coming down at me like it wasn't smart.
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How many swings of the AX did it take you to cut through each branch off?
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I mean, I don't, I mean, I'm gonna say between 20 and 40
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to cut through each branch. Yeah. I
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mean, they were, it's a pretty thick I'll either take a picture and post it somewhere so people can look, including yourself.
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I don't, I Is it a giant redwood? Is it General Sherman out there, the biggest tree in the world. Because, okay, 20 swings for that. If you're talking about cutting through a part of a tree that was too small for a chainsaw, and it's taking you 40 things with an ax,
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do, okay, okay, oh,
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that's like, that's three strikes, right? Now, you're at six. That's three strikes individually, that's
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fine. I don't think anyone cares about this. I just wanted your opinion. Yeah,
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dude, that's your bad, right? Because here's okay to sum up, here's where you were on. Number one, you lost your tools, not paying attention to where your tools are. Number two, you weren't using the right tool for the job. Number three, obviously, your neighbor had to step in like another man. Had to see what you were doing and say to himself, Oh no, he's embarrassing all of us. The way that he's doing this, he's hurting the entire gender. I've got to step in here to make sure that everybody else in this neighborhood doesn't decide to swear off men just because they look at him and say, Wait a minute. That guy is not doing, is doing such a poor job. It's reflecting on me, it's like a really terrible car showing up to a car show, and then everybody else is like, no, that car can't be here because it's bringing everybody else down. That kind of sounds like what you were doing with this law and work?
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Sure. I mean, I was, I was actually enjoying it. It was, if you ever swung an ax, it's, it's very therapeutic,
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very manly, right? It's, it does make you feel like a man. I have an ax in my room. Actually, literally, have an ax under the
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bed. Do you still have the katana in your trunk?
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I do. I have a ninja sword that I bought while inebriated, that I thought that was going to be a good idea, but I didn't want to have it in a house full of a eight year old and a five year old. So I put it in the car. So I have a ninja sword in my car.
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Wow. Well, anyways,
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can you imagine if somebody, like, there's a road rage situation, and somebody's like, Come on, let's go and I go to the back of the car and bring out a ninja sword.
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No, I actually that's kind I don't want to say that's a fear of mine. That's one of the reason why I have, like, parking lot anxiety is because I don't want to get into, you know, a skirmish with somebody, and next thing I know, they're busting out a sword. Could
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you imagine if you're like, Hey, buddy, you cut me off, and they turn around, open up their trunk and bring out a ninja sword. No,
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that that would be terrifying to me, because, for one I'm not going to get away from them. They're probably going to run faster than me. Oh, catch you. I think that's no once again, I feel like I have to put a disclaimer on this. I've never been shot, stabbed, whatever, but I feel like being stabbed or or hit by a sword is probably one of the most scary things that could happen. If
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I saw somebody coming at me with a sword, and they started to swing the sword at me, I think I would actually die before it even made contact, like, just the idea of being hit by the sword like I would just die mid swing, sure they wouldn't even have to hit me. Uh, back to our poll results, though I asked people, How many Okay. The question was, how many people know your middle name? 35% said one to five people. 32% said five to 10. 16% said 10 to 25 and 16% said 25 plus. So really, there's not that many people who probably know someone's middle name.
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I just feel like, like it's kind of like no one really cares. Like, why do you need to know someone's middle name. I You just don't need to know
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it. Why would you want to know their thoughts, hopes and dreams? It's about knowing who somebody really is, a part of somebody. And you I'm gonna
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go part of them. I'm gonna go on a limb here. And so I'm pretty dumb, but I don't even I think if you got rid of everyone's middle name wouldn't matter. No one would care or miss them.
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I. Mean, there's a lot of people probably named John Scholl like think about all the people named like Josh Smith. You gotta kind of have some way of demarcating them.
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Yeah. I mean, there's probably only one Nick vinzant, though I've
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never actually seen another one. I've never actually seen another one that had the same name as I did. But anyway, let's move along. Uh,
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alright, let's give some shout outs here. Shelly shout outs, outs, outs. Someday, I'm going to get like a good intro to this. It's only been 195 episodes, but let's see Connor, Connor Johnson, Bob Amadon, and Joe tarkama, Joe zario, Joseph ring hand, naive Shiraz, Johnny Indigo. Don't think that's a real last name, but it's pretty cool nonetheless. Sammy Garcia, Tommy Lopez, Ken Smith, Natalie vallando and Frank Gill congratulations. You get nothing except me screwing up your names this week. So thank you.
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What an honor. What an honor.
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Uh, Tito Jackson died. Rip who's Tito Jackson? Jesus Christ. I
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don't know who Tito Jackson is. That's not like a famous name that I'm supposed to know. Is he the father of is he Michael Jackson's father? Like, I don't know who Tito Jackson is. I know the I know there's I understand that there's a Jackson Five and that they were very famous. The only one that I know is Michael. I don't know Tito Jackson. It's like that common knowledge that Tito Jackson is, who is he?
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I mean, he's, he's, obviously, I mean, where do you want me to start one of the Jackson Five? He's, you know, obviously. Let's see. Okay, let me see if I can do this. So it's Michael Jermaine.
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Oh, Janet. I know Janet Jackson, don't go, like, Look, I'm not going all the way down there to get to Tito Jackson. Tito Jackson, I'm sorry. I'm sure he's a great something. I'm sure a lot of people like the guy, but I you,
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but you do know that that Tito Jackson, or Janet Jackson, was not one of the Jackson Five, though, correct, right?
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But she is, is she Michael Jackson's younger or older sister? She's gotta be his younger sister. Yes,
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I believe she's was is the younger sister you you're the only person that I've talked to, and I've talked to at least 10 people about TV. You talked
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to anybody under the age of 52,
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people who at least knew who he was and what he was involved in Tito Jackson and the last person we talked about last week dying, which is James Earl Jones on the same wavelength.
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No, they are not, not Tito's
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not up to James Earl Jones's pedestal, but they're at least in the same realm. I feel no,
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not at all. If James Earl Jones is a level one, Tito Jackson is probably like a four or five. Um, wanted
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to ask you, what is the best? In your opinion, the best era of clothing like decade, decade wise. So and I obviously there's plenty of decades that you and I have been a part of, but I broke it down into three, the 70s, the 90s or now, which decade really?
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Yeah, 100% I would 100% go with now is the best time of clothing because I can wear pants to work that look exactly like dress pants, but are actually like workout pants. And it's amazing. I can wear stuff to work that is essentially like. It looks like it's dress clothing, but it's basically like gym clothes. So now, because of the comfort and because of the ease of everything.
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So once again, this has a story. I'm going to a wedding on Saturday, and it is 70s themed. Gosh,
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let me go ahead and tell you how long that wedding's going to last. If you're doing any kind of themed wedding, the over under on your relationship is five years.
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I you know what? I'm not going to comment on that. I wish them the best, but I
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say it if you're, if you're having a themed wedding, that relationship ain't lasting more than five years, no, because you, because you're getting married around a shared interest at that time of your life. And you change as a person as you get older. And so that theme that you all kind of agreed upon, upon and coalesced around, may no longer apply as you get older, you might not be that same person, and that's why I don't think that the theme things work for that kind of stuff. Good
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use of the word coalesce, by the way,
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I did, well done. I also used another word, I think I used divergent. Oh. Oh, aggregate. I've used the word aggregate today, coalesced. No,
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no one really believes it, though, so it's fine, uh, or believes you saying it, um, that's about it. That's all I had this week. Good, good, good conversation. Okay,
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alright, so our top five is top five grades. So we're talking about, like, kindergarten, third grade, fifth grade, those kind of things. What's your number five?
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So I feel like this may be too high on the list, but I also don't know where to put it, because it's probably the easiest grade, and that's kindergarten. So that's my number five.
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You have kindergarten is number five? I
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do just, just because it's like, the, you know, it's, it's a lot of people, it's their for a lot of people, a lot of kids, it's their introduction to school. It's fun. You really don't have any real responsibility, but, like, you're not doing a whole lot. You're just, you know, it's kind of like just a glorified daycare to a certain degree.
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My number five is second grade. I think second grade is great because you're kind of figuring things out. You're kind of establishing yourself a little bit, but you don't really have any real responsibilities, like nobody's really expecting anything from you. You're in second grade. But also you're in second grade, you can kind of venturing on your own a little bit with no real repercussions for mistakes.
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Uh, my number four is the ninth grade.
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Oh, freshman year,
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yeah, because you know you're there, you've made it, you're in the you're in the show, but, like, you're just in the show. And it's probably going to be a real rough year, even if you're one of the cool kids, while you try to adapt to everything, but it's, it's one of those grades, or maybe the only grade like that, which is the ninth grade, where, like, this is it, like, after you go, you know, you're you're in the same building for four years. I guess some high schools are 10th grade, but I'm going nine through 12. Like this is it, once you hit the 12th grade, you're done, man, life is going to hit you.
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I would actually say that I think being a freshman year is one of the worst. I think that's one of the most awkward times of your life.
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No, I don't disagree with that. I think it's awkward. I think it's but I also think it's exciting. I think high school provides a lot more opportunities than say, you know, junior high or or whatnot. So, yeah, it's awkward, it's scary, but it's also exciting. Like you're, you're on your way to to being a full fledged teenager.
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My number four is middle school. I feel like sixth, seventh and eighth grade are all kind of the same. Okay, there's not much separation. I don't think there. It's kind of all just waiting to go to high school. You're not in elementary school. To me, like sixth, seventh and eighth grade all kind of fall into the same realm.
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Okay, I we'll come back to that. My number three is the 12th grade.
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That's my number three is also senior in high school, because,
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you know, I think a lot of seniors, especially nowadays, and I can't speak for them, because obviously I'm not a senior of today's times, but regardless, I feel like there's so much nerves and angst and, you know, you don't know what's what's going to happen, and you're saying goodbye to your friends, and if you go away to college, and it's Like a very worrisome grade, but also it's like what you've been building 12 years towards.
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I wonder how much it's different for people who are seniors in high school now, because when we were at least when I was a senior in high school, you were kind of an adult as a senior in high school, it wasn't, I don't think that you're really an adult now as a senior in high school, like, people don't look at you the same way, but as a senior in high school, when I was you were an adult, and you were kind of treated like an adult. When
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I was a senior, it was like, kind of half and half, you still the kids that were very immature. Then you had the other kids that, like, already had jobs that, you know, yeah, were already smoking and had beards. You know what? I mean,
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I would not be surprised if someone made an argument that a senior in high school now is equivalent to a college senior or a senior in high school in our day is now what a college senior is today, viewed in the same way that you're kind of starting your life a little bit.
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Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I could be completely wrong, but I'll agree with you. What's your number? Uh, oh yeah, you said your number three, that was a 12th grade, right? Yeah, yeah. So my number two, and this might be a cop out, but it's 11th grade.
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Oh, I can. I actually, really, really thought about putting a junior in high school too. That would probably be my best year. Honestly,
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yeah, I feel like that is most people's best year is the junior year because you're an upperclassman, but you don't have all the worries of being a senior yet. For a lot of people who go to traditional high schools like. That's when you play varsity sports for the first time as a junior. Or, like, you know, if you're in plays and stuff like, that's your first big performance. So, yeah, junior, junior is pretty important here.
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Okay, yeah, I forgot about, I didn't know about the play angle. Didn't think about that.
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You're looking at Buffalo Bill here, so be Be careful, right?
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Like, like, it doesn't look I'm not trying to make any light of anybody who's in theater or anything like that. I'm making fun of John being in theater. Like, it's not other people doing theater or drama, it's you specifically doing theater or drama. My number my number two, is a junior in college. Okay, I think that's a great year, because you're probably turning 21 you've got a lot of responsibility, you're starting to kind of get things together, but you don't have the full thing yet, like you can still I think that is like peak fun of your life in terms of just going out and enjoying things. Is a junior and junior in college?
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Yeah. I mean, I don't have any of the college years on here, because I just went grades instead of, like, 1314, 15/16, but I don't disagree with you.
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What's your number one?
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The sixth grade? Sixth grade. Yeah, because you're why, because you're still a kid. You know what I mean? Like, that is the year I feel like, once you get into middle school, like, that's when you, I mean, that's when most kids start hitting puberty. Your voice changes. You start growing things, you know? You start being really inquisitive. Like, you're still a kid in the sixth grade, and you're innocent and you're dumb and everything's still awesome, you know, like it's just and then once you get into middle school and high school, the gloves are off.
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Would you agree with this statement? Do you think that kids today are expected to be older, when they're younger and younger when they're older? Like we put more responsibility on kids when they're younger, and have started to take off responsibility on kids than when they are older. So like, what we would expect from a second grader is more, but we expect less from an 18 year old.
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I don't think less from older. I do think by far, with you and I having younger children, that there's so much more expected of them. And I don't mean to sound like a curmudgeonal man, but like the fact that, like, my kids bring home an iPad every night. I mean, I feel like social media and YouTube and things like that's only led to them, like, getting older faster. And I know that may not make sense if you don't have children, but if you do, makes complete sense.
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My number one is kindergarten. I think kindergarten is the best year. I just remember getting snacks and taking naps.
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I mean, yes, it is. I mean, that's why it's on both of our top five lists. Yeah,
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I think it's number one. Do you have anything in your honorable mention?
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I mean, not, not. I mean, I have the first grade, but that that's really kind of like a kindergarten. I also, well, I did. I did scribble out the eighth grade, but because, you know that's like you're going into high school, then you know what I mean, like it's, but
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see, I went, I transitioned schools when I went into high school. So freshman year for me was not like a great experience because I was going to a new school, yeah?
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Well, that's a whole nother level. That could almost be a whole nother top five. Like, what grades would be the worst grades to transition to a new school, to Oh,
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freshman year? I would think, yeah. I would say freshman year of high school would be number one.
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There's a whole movie about that now, inside out too, or whatever it's called, inside out that franchise.
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Oh yeah, I don't watch that stuff. I'm an adult. I watch intelligent programming, like documentaries.
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Oh yeah, I'm sure you do. Oh, okay, that's going to
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go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate. It really helps us out and let us know what you think are the best grades. I would really go back to junior year. I think that's the best year, either junior year or kindergarten. I.