Professional High Diver Ginni van Katwijk
When you’re jumping off a platform the height of a seven-story building everything has to be perfect. Luckily, Ginni van Katwijk is one of the best High Divers in the world. We talk high diving, attacking the water and why she’s still scared. Then, we unveil a new Candle of the Month and countdown the Top 5 Things We’re Still Confused About.
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Pointless: 31:17
Candle of the Month: 52:30
Top 5: 56:46
High Diver Ginni van Katwijk
Nick VinZant 0:12
Welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant. Coming up in this episode, high diving, and confusion,
Ginni van Katwijk 0:21
I think, more or less 95% of the Olympic divers that dive 10 meter will just laugh at you, when you ask them to jump off 20 There, you go through all the steps, and you got to be able to do it in your head first see it, you know, like see the full trick. And he landed very short, and he just passed out. So he passed out underwater, and the scuba divers have to pick him up. I
Nick VinZant 0:51
want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it, it really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guest. This is professional high diver, Jeanne van cat wick. So what separates high diving, there's
Ginni van Katwijk 1:17
regular diving, so it's either Springboard diving, which is one meter and three meter, which you'll see at the Olympics. And then there's platform diving, which is 10 meter, and that's the highest it is at the Olympics. Then high diving for the females, it's 20 meters and for the males is 27 meters. So it's double the height for the females. Another main difference is that we don't land headfirst, we learn feet first, for me
Nick VinZant 1:43
sitting at home, like alright, 10 meters 20 meters. Like that doesn't sound like a crazy deal. But I'm assuming from your your facial expression, that that's a big difference.
Ginni van Katwijk 1:53
It takes a lot longer, and you start to fall faster. So whatever like trick or dive you're doing, you can't like double the amount of flips that you do from 10 to 20. Because you start falling faster, the impact is just a lot harder as well. Then from 10 meter.
Nick VinZant 2:13
Are there people who can do 10 meters? No problem and can't can't do 20 or higher? Oh,
Ginni van Katwijk 2:19
yes. Like, I think more or less 95% of the Olympic divers that dive 10 meter will just laugh at you when you ask them to jump off 20 there.
Nick VinZant 2:34
How did you then transition into the higher dives.
Ginni van Katwijk 2:37
My husband and I back then we were dating and we found out there was like diving in a show. We had never even heard of it. And it was on a cruise ship. We're like, let's try this. And on the ship. It's 17 meters. And we were regular divers. But that's when we first learned about high diving. And then we found out there were some people competing and we slowly but surely, like started learning high dive like we made our way up there. And even like to get a full competitive list. It took at least three years after like doing our first dive up there. But when you're just learning in a show, I mean, it's sketchy.
Nick VinZant 3:21
Yeah, what was that first couple of times, like when
Ginni van Katwijk 3:24
it's it's something like you have to overcome this fear. And sometimes I wonder like how, what I'm gonna do in my life afterwards, knowing that, in a way, I'm probably addicted to like, overcoming this fear. You know, like, learning new dives is such a, it's such a build up of emotions and like, getting that dive, like getting it off. And that alone sounds funny, you know, like, getting it off. Like you just have to jump and go but getting your body to do something that there's so much fear, like holding you back. I guess that's natural, you know, your body's like protecting you. I guess your mind is saying like this is dangerous. Don't do it. Don't do it. But you have to trust that one Your body knows what to do, because you've trained all the elements like separately on lower heights before and then I mean, I tell myself, okay, like you've gone through all the steps you you've made all the preparations, this is it. This is what you worked for and like, got to do it. And still like sometimes you stand there. But when you do it, the best feeling it really is.
Nick VinZant 4:44
I can see people getting addicted to that.
Ginni van Katwijk 4:48
And I don't like to say like, oh, I'm addicted to it, but the reality is like, probably I mean, there's no other feeling like there's no feeling in the world I can compare it with it's just like
Nick VinZant 5:02
Like, yeah, I did it.
Ginni van Katwijk 5:03
I did it. Like, pat on the back for me.
Nick VinZant 5:08
But for real, do you still feel like that every time like any jump? Not
Ginni van Katwijk 5:13
any jump. It does. I don't want to say goes away. It's still the fear is there. And you still have to be alert because I think that's when accidents happen. You know, like if you lose that fear completely and just nonchalantly go up there and throw your dice. I think it's good to have, like a little bit of fear. But it's nothing like that first time. So
Nick VinZant 5:40
then how do you learn new dives? You just do you? Can you practice lower or just like no, you just got to do it off the big one, go for it. Now
Ginni van Katwijk 5:48
I'm in the fort. Like I'm in a very fortunate situation that I'm training here in Fort Lauderdale. This is only one of three permanent platforms in the world. So the good thing is we have access to a full range of towers, that's one meter, three meter, sorry, five meters, seven meter, 10 meter, and that's 10 meters, the Olympic height, then we have a 1520 2427 for the men. But yeah, there's just a process involved, like, Okay, you go through all the steps, and you got to be able to do it in your head first see it, you know, like, see the full trick. If you don't see it, don't go up. Don't go up, make sure you can see it in your head, and then go through all the physical training. And then it's like you piece things together. So like I said, like from one and a half, you need to be able to do that on 10 meter before you go up for a front double with the half twist. I'm pointing fingers.
Nick VinZant 6:48
But that difference in height doesn't like throw the whole timing off.
Ginni van Katwijk 6:54
Um, it shouldn't. There's a bit of, you know, trustful in that sense that you have to go up. And trust that your body is going to know what to do with those extra 10 meters.
Nick VinZant 7:09
So at the end of it, you do have to just like alright, now just go for it. Yeah.
Ginni van Katwijk 7:14
And there's certain days where you feel like you you break through a barrier, I feel like you know, like you learn, you know, your double has your Bahrainis. But then once you learn a triple half, you do multiple flips, you come out and do the variety. And I feel like that's like unlocking another level of like, our range of dives altogether. And once you know you can do that, then you know, okay, if I make this dive on centimeter to my head. I can do this up on 20 meters. And I think that confidence like once you've done that, and and this sounds so funny, it sounds like a video game like I unlocked a new level. But once you've done that, you trust that your body will see the dive on 10 meter. See the water and then no okay, I need to Bahraini to safely line up my feet.
Nick VinZant 8:07
So what happens if you screw one of these up? Oh, it's not good.
Ginni van Katwijk 8:11
is not good. I mean, I take my taking my fair share of hits I think I've learned a new dive. And actually coming right back to what we just spoke about like okay, you do it on 10 meter you see the water on 10 meter meter, you dive it in. Now you go up to 20 meter. You see the water and I remember I learned this dive and I was so relieved to see the water I was like oh my god, I did it. And I didn't really didn't actively like work the rest of the dive. So I landed like quite short. And I just had like two black eyes under my chin my arm. Like I mean, most likely not most likely, most definitely had a concussion. But I feel like in the sport of diving, this happens so much that people will have a concussion and like, I mean, I went up and did another dive before I went and ice my eyes and like it was bad. My husband was like, we can't go anywhere. Can you please put sunglasses on? They're gonna think I'm beat you. Another example. My husband who's also a cliff diver, he he did a Quinn Taff. So that's five somersaults with a half twist. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. So he's only I think there's been three guys in the world to do this diet. And he's currently the only one in competition during this day. So it's a long time to hold on, like, think about five flips holding on. And he was doing great. He was doing it in the Red Bull competition. He's gonna nail it. And just the anticipation of getting a good entry. had him come out early, and he landed very short. And he just passed out. So he passed out underwater. And the scuba divers had to pick him up and bring him to the surface. And I was watching it, I felt so helpless. You know what? I was like, oh my god, what am I gonna do? And I remember thinking, like, once I got to him, because they took them off in a boat, and I had to like, try and find him afterwards. And he was with the ambulance people. And he was strapped and he was, he was okay, he was awake, and he, but it just broke my heart to see him like this. And I remember coming up to him, and I was like, what were you thinking? This is five limbs do not come out early.
Nick VinZant 10:37
It's such a married couple thing is like the first thing like you do something. And the first thing you're thinking, I was like, Oh, God, they're gonna be mad at me.
Ginni van Katwijk 10:45
I know. And actually, I, I felt so bad. What broke my heart most is that he probably was so embarrassed, you know, embarrassed that that happened at that event with all the cameras and stuff, but I was just glad he was okay. You know, like so many things. He had, like kind of bruises, ribs, but everything internally was okay. And you can if you take a hit from that high, like, there's a lot more things that can go wrong.
Nick VinZant 11:13
Is it enough of an impact that you kind of have to limit like how many dives you're doing a day or a week, or
Ginni van Katwijk 11:20
I tried to do maximum of three per training session. And that's actually a lot. I think, most people don't even always go up to 20 meter. every training session. I just know for me, like, I like to get the reps and get very comfortable and confident with my dives. But I think I mean, I've done some, you know, sometimes you do up to six reps, especially competition day, if you warm up and then you do a competition dives themselves, but it really does take a toll on your body, like the next day your legs are gonna be sore, we'll make it a point to take an ice bath right afterwards. Just because even if you have a good entry, your legs take such an impact that your calves can get really sore. If you land like a little bit short or a little bit over your neck muscles. Like you got to make sure your neck muscles are it's like a whiplash. If you land raw. Actually my next quite tight as
Nick VinZant 12:22
I really thought you were gonna say like 20 or 25. Oh,
Ginni van Katwijk 12:26
no, three, if you go back into the pool, like three more times that week. So that's like, maybe 10 a week. I think 10 a week should probably be your max. So
Nick VinZant 12:35
I'm kind of a numbers person. I hope this question makes sense in that regard that Okay, so let's say 10 out of 10 is the perfect landing. Yeah, you need to be what on a scale of one to 10 so that it doesn't like mess you up.
Ginni van Katwijk 12:51
You need to specify mess you up. Like if you mean like my neck is sore. I had great entries yesterday. It just happens like it just it's a difference from like landing with your head tucked in and like your head out. It's just like a punch in the chin. Yeah, I don't want to say 10 on 10. But even okay, even if you have a nine entry, you can still like, technically hurt yourself. I guess.
Nick VinZant 13:16
Nobody's ever died doing it.
Ginni van Katwijk 13:19
Not in the professional sense. But I'm sure it has happened off that height as well. Yeah.
Nick VinZant 13:28
So like when you make an entry into there, are you kind of like tightening the whole body?
Ginni van Katwijk 13:33
Oh, yeah. Yeah, if you see a picture, every muscle is tight. It's crazy. Not to mention the beautiful face going in the water.
Nick VinZant 13:45
Pure grimace. Everything
Ginni van Katwijk 13:47
needs to be tight. Because you need to attack the water. Because if not, the water is going to attack you and just literally destroy you.
Nick VinZant 13:56
So you're kind of trying to like actively hit the water? Yes,
Ginni van Katwijk 13:59
yeah. And you can see the difference. Like sometimes, you know, you just kind of the water hits you. And it can really like cause you to move in ways that you don't want to move on or water like you need to be tight and attacking water.
Nick VinZant 14:15
What do you think makes you good at it? Like what separates you from other people who do it? Gosh,
Ginni van Katwijk 14:20
this is such a hard question. Um I don't know like I have the diving background and you know, then I transitioned to high diving so it was still all over the place a little bit and I didn't have consistent training facilities. And just in the past like four months, I've just been consistently training here and I can see the difference. I can feel the difference. It's night and day and I feel so much more confident up there. I've I think I think I have improved so much. So I'm really excited to see like now where this one will take me What sets me apart? I mean, okay, here's what sets me apart. I'm doing I'm the only female in the world to do front arms and triple with a one and a half twist.
Which is a really cool dive, I think. And it's cool now that I'm the only one to do this thing.
Nick VinZant 15:21
Is that a lot different? Like, jumping off of it backwards? Or doing it off of a handstand? Yeah,
Ginni van Katwijk 15:27
and actually, so I do for the people that are watching, if this is the platform, and this is me and a handsome and here's my head, there's my back. I would be, you know, in a handsome my back facing the water, my front facing the platform, I have to flip that way. So it's quite hard to create a flipping motion, though.
Nick VinZant 15:53
Yeah, like you're not turning, you're turning out over, so to speak. Yeah.
Ginni van Katwijk 15:59
So I have to, like create, like kind of a kick movement to, like, get the somersault going. And it's quite hard, because you know, you're in a handstand this way, and you're, you know, your wrist hinges don't want to go the other way, you know, like, kind of pushing against. Whereas if you do a back Hanson, it's like a falling, you have the falling momentum with you. And you can finish off your hands with the push. So they have some undoing, it's a bit different.
Nick VinZant 16:24
So we have some listener submitted questions. Okay. Does anybody ever ask why are we doing this?
Ginni van Katwijk 16:31
All the time, all the time. And actually, mostly on social media, like I just had this video go viral? And the majority of the question is, why? Why would you do this? And even like, my parents in laws a Why are you guys still doing this? Get a real job. Um, I think is the adrenaline I think is the feeling of accomplishment when you one when you learn these guys, but then to when you are doing these dives regularly and you doing them good. You know, it feels great. Like you leave practice going. That was great. I did good today. I felt so stupid. But it's the little things that like the little battles that you overcome daily with yourself, you know, and it can be I tried to really like, bring it down and make it really simple. Like, okay, today is windy. That kind of sucks. We're diving, but you know, this can happen in a competition. So let's make the best of it. Let's take this as an opportunity to practice in this windy setting. And then you do your dives. They might not be great. But in the end, it's like, okay, we did the dive, we stuck to the plan. And like, I think that's what makes me feel good. sticking to the plan and seeing that it's working out. Sure that completely answered your question as to why because No, it's not for the money is not for the fame. It's not It's purely for myself.
Nick VinZant 18:13
How do different divers look at the high divers? Like do the one meter people look at the high divers differently? Like who's kind of the cool kid in the diving community?
Ginni van Katwijk 18:23
It's another cool game, the crazy ones. I think they definitely think we're crazy. But you know, now that we're training with that, like, for example, the ones that were training within the pool, like, they realize like it's all the same, like it's the same learning. That's not true. Okay, let me rephrase that, because I wasn't gonna say it's the same as learning a dive on one meter. Or on three meter. It's the same except for exponentially, like scarier and overcoming that hump, or that feat. Isn't that much more rewarding?
Nick VinZant 19:05
How much how deep is the water have to be to do this, like you need this much water.
Ginni van Katwijk 19:12
At least people always ask this so on the cruise ship, the water is not very deep is about 14 feet deep. Which is not deep enough. We always hit the bottom, like every single time we come down and either you like kind of scoop so you don't like go straight down or you as soon as you hit the water kind of tuck. So it like slows you down and you just land in like a tuck on the bottom and then you push off. But you touch the bottom every single time. Which it's okay on the cruise ship. It's 17 meters. You're not doing like super crazy dives. Okay. 20 meters like the competition pool? I think it's six meters deep. I never touched the bottom. Some people do some people go all the way down, but I never touched the bottom. So
Nick VinZant 20:07
what's the highest? You've jumped from?
Ginni van Katwijk 20:11
Probably 23 meters. So how many feet?
Nick VinZant 20:14
70? Probably, yeah, like 70 to 70 to 75 feet.
Ginni van Katwijk 20:19
Yeah, that was off a cliff, we had to clear a little bit. It wasn't the height that was scary. It was like the the shimmy up with put like a little harness on and shimmy up to the spot. And then she made out of your harness on the little cliff. And then do the dive and clear a little bit like maybe a meter and a half. But
Nick VinZant 20:40
then somebody that goes, you know, super high, like, I think I looked up the world record was like 192 feet. Is that? Is that even like the same world in the sense? Or is that more Daredevil stuff? Definitely
Ginni van Katwijk 20:54
more Daredevil stuff. And they don't do like the type of dives that we do. They usually, either I think the guy holding the right and now he did a jump. Or like a reverse flip or something like that. But that's definitely a whole nother round. That's not for me. Um, okay.
Nick VinZant 21:15
What do you what do you think then about kind of, because, you know, everybody sees like the YouTube videos and this stuff on social media people just like launching off high cliffs and stuff like that. Like when you see that kind of stuff? What do you think?
Ginni van Katwijk 21:25
As long as you know what you're doing? And as long as you know, like, inspect the water before, please inspect the water before because you don't want to land on something or bottom out and have somebody in the water as a safety if you don't mind. Good. But if you do all of that, please feel free like have a blast. But be careful.
Nick VinZant 21:45
Can you see this? Yes. This is crazy. That to me looking at it looks like you're gonna jump you're jumping? How far is that from where you're standing to the water, like
Ginni van Katwijk 21:56
56 feet. So it's 17 meters. And this was actually right after I'd come back from competition. So I hadn't been on the ship in like two months. That was my first training, dive back. And it's no joke that, you see, I'm shaking, you know, like, I do get scared. And, you know, people ask like, do you still get scared all the time? All the time? And yeah, that pool, I think is one of the scariest honestly, in in the cliff diving or high diving scenes. Like because there's, you know, you see the 10 meter underneath of you, you see the little platform like, oh, yeah,
Nick VinZant 22:37
10 meter really tell the difference when you see the like, Oh, that's a lot higher. Yeah.
Ginni van Katwijk 22:42
And then, you know, there's some stuff sticking out. And in the middle, they have like, what they call like the center lift, because the floor is like a stage as well. So it moves up and down. And that center lift is actually not all the way down either. So you can land there. You know, it's, I don't think you're ever like people will get close to it. Nobody's landed on it. But it's just a mind game. You know, you have to think of so many things already. That when they throw other things in there, it just makes it that much more scary, I guess. Is
Nick VinZant 23:15
any of that kind of camera angle where it makes it look a little bit scarier than yours are like, No, that's what it looks like. No, that's
Ginni van Katwijk 23:23
what it looks like. The cameras on like 0.5 just so you could see like the whole setting, you know, like so you see the whole pool and everything. But yeah, that's it actually. It's just this camera that's on 0.5 The first one I think wasn't just so you get everything in there.
Nick VinZant 23:42
Is that a pretty like for you? Is that like that's a cake dive for me. I can do that in my sleep. Yeah,
Ginni van Katwijk 23:48
yeah, that's the one I do in the show. Like, wake me up in the middle of the night. I can do it. No problem. And that was just a slow motion on my front arms. And I I don't even know I don't think I posted it yet. My new arm stand. But yeah, that was one of my new dives as well. It's a front triple with a one and a half twist. By here. You can really see how deep the pool is.
Nick VinZant 24:13
Yeah, you really punch through there. Right?
Ginni van Katwijk 24:17
Yeah. And you can see like, how everything has to be tight and how fast you go down. I mean, look at that. So I'm pretty close. Like I think I could touch the like wait for it and touch the ground. I just open up and that slows it down under water.
Nick VinZant 24:33
So yeah, that's that's what you're doing on the sides is like practicing different movements. Yeah.
Ginni van Katwijk 24:42
Yeah, that's the preparation for the Hansen up there. But that's the tower in Fort Lauderdale is a great facility like it's brand new is absolutely I don't know why they don't host like events there every year. It's a no brainer because now you Usually for like a World Cup, or World Championship, they, they build a lot of scaffolding, and like, make an aboveground pool more or less with scaffolding and everything, which costs a ton, just the setup, whereas this facility is already there. Yeah. So this is the day I learned this dive. And, you know, I hurt my elbow during the preparations for this dive on 10 meter. And I had to have surgery. And that was like, less than two years ago. So now I did the lead up not on 10 meter, I did the lead up to my feet on seven meter, and skip that transition. And it finally got this dive off. And it was just, I don't know, I liked had so much like, fear resistance to this dive, like I could tell that I was like, how to do like the preparations on five meter even like, front one and a half with a full twist. And I can just tell that I started like, you know, procrastinating and like not wanting to do it. And for sure, those are all signs that I was just scared, you know, your push comes to shove, I was scared. And I think one evening I just sat down and like just wrote down what I was scared of like. And it all came down to like it made no sense to be scared. You know, yes, I'm scared. But I did all the preparations. And you're ready for this? And what is the worst that can happen? You know, like, going through all of it. And I think that helps so much. Because then the next practice I came in, I had a plan, do your preparations take it up, and I just stuck to the plan and incident and I was so excited. Like that was it. It was like break through. But it took probably a good two weeks of like real resistance. And I I couldn't figure out like this resistance like I I had to really write it all down and get it out. For me to just like work past that, I guess. Do
Nick VinZant 27:05
you think it will become an Olympic sport? Do you think it'll go? Or? No, I
Ginni van Katwijk 27:09
think so. I think so. But it's just actually we were really, really hoping it was going to be in the I mean, a couple of years ago, we were excited to think it was going to be in the Paris Olympics is not and then we thought oh for sure LA and it didn't like they put in I think flag football and cricket. Guys, no offense, the flag football. But that's what you play in elementary school. That's
Nick VinZant 27:36
pretty much all the questions that I had, is there anything else that you think that we missed? Or what's kind of coming up next for you? What's
Ginni van Katwijk 27:43
coming up next. So seasons about the start next month? My first we go to Greece. For one of the Red Bull stops. I'm not diving there. So Red Bull is a bit complicated. There's like a permanent divers, and then there's four wildcards each competition. So my husband got a wild card for the first stop, I'll go to coach and you know, support him, as well as train and then my next competition will be in Boston at all. But when I look at the calendar on the eighth of June. So if you're in Boston, first week of June, come check it out Red Bull cliff diving. And yeah, I'm pretty excited for that this season should begin.
Nick VinZant 28:30
When did you start the towel thing?
Ginni van Katwijk 28:32
Oh, gosh, probably at least 10 years ago. So while I was in college, I I started making like these tie dye shammies. And then I brought them to the pool and the kids of the club team were like, We want to buy one. And so I just started and then I sold some at some competitions. And it's just grown ever since. And it's sometimes it's a bit hard to like, keep up with it when I'm on the cruise ship because I've worked on the cruise ship sometimes. But I've managed to keep it up and it's just growing and growing over the years. So now I do some team shammies I made the shammies for So to explain for your audience. So shammies are if you ever watched diving, on TV, they always have this hole, it looks like a car towel. They use it to dry off so you're not completely dry but like dry enough to where you don't slip out of your dives if you're doing like a tuck shape or a pike so you don't slip out and you know to stay warm after your dive so you don't need a towel every time you use that to dry off. wring it out. Use it again. But yeah, so I customize them. I tie them I do like university teams. I did the ones for the doing some for the US Olympic trials and then the British Olympic team is getting them in their Olympic kit. So it's pretty cool.
Nick VinZant 29:56
I did always wonder like why are they drying off? You're just going right Back in the pool. Yeah.
Ginni van Katwijk 30:01
So I mean, it's it's two ways like for sure to kind of keep warm. It helps. And, yeah, you want that. You don't want to be too dry like think about like grabbing a tuck and being super dry, you can slip out but also idea really what you slip out. So it's like that. Moist in between. I know people hate this word, but But yeah, it's like when you dry off with like this Shammi cloth. It's like the right consistency of like, having good grip.
Nick VinZant 30:35
I want to thank Ginni so much for joining us. If you want to connect with her, we have a link to her on our social media accounts. We're Profoundly Pointless on tik, Tok, Instagram and YouTube. And we've also included her information in the episode description. And if you want to see some of these dives that we're talking about, they really are incredible to see how high it is. And just the sheer amount of precision that goes into this. The YouTube version of this episode will be live on May 2 at 12:30pm. Pacific. Okay, now, let's bring in John Shaw, and get to the pointless part of the show. Would you rather open a door or close it?
John Shull 31:20
I think there's more satisfaction of opening a door. So I'll say opening?
Nick VinZant 31:25
Oh, I think there's more satisfaction closing it. It's like a job well done. You're back inside your house, you're back inside your location. You finish the day you close the door.
John Shull 31:35
I feel like this is a metaphorical test. No, I like opening a door opening a door is much more fulfilling to me than closing a door for sure.
Nick VinZant 31:46
Maybe we can maybe this speaks to the where we're at in our lives. In that I feel like I have too many things going on. And we'd rather close a task, close the door. And you feel like you have new beginning a new beginning? Is that why you'd rather open a door? I
John Shull 32:01
was religious saying that because one of the best. One of the best feelings that I've had recently, aka since has been getting warm out in Michigan is opening the door at like 8am. And the cold air comes in. And it's just nice and refreshing.
Nick VinZant 32:18
I agree. I wasn't actually listening. I was looking at text messages. I'm not even sure what you just said. See
John Shull 32:23
what I'm saying. So that's that you couldn't even go 30 seconds without being a douchebag.
Nick VinZant 32:29
That's not negative. That's just that was honesty.
John Shull 32:32
We're recording a podcast and you're looking at text messages. That's that's from my wife. I had to look at it. That's the definition of a douchebag.
Nick VinZant 32:40
What if it was important? What if this what if this text message said I need help right now and I didn't look at it and it was from my wife. And you were sitting over there all well, you didn't hear what I said. Well, you're the one being negative, right? You're the one being negative.
John Shull 32:53
No way. Anyways, let's give some shout outs. Jan hope Master will start with that. That sounds like a real name. Reese Jory. Simon Matheson Alvand Nestor don't think that's real name either. Ozzy Triana, Daphne Monroe, Elizabeth forester, seeing Johnson, Jasper Harkness shone shake. I don't know why that I love the alliteration their flesh shank for some reason made me smile. Thomas Pirtle and Chris Mayer. They get the shout outs of the week. All right, let's go back to an oldie but a goodie here for your little segment.
Nick VinZant 33:38
Oh, switching it up again, huh? Yeah, I
John Shull 33:41
felt there was a few topics that came out this past week that I just want to get your opinion on. How do you feel about armchair quarterbacks?
Nick VinZant 33:49
Oh, I hate it. I hate it. I think that like this, okay. Are we talking about literal? Are we talking in a sports thing? Are we talking more of a societal thing? Because I can do both. I just want to know which direction you want me to go down.
John Shull 34:04
I mean, I was kind of talking about sports. But if you want to give your opinion on both, please feel free. I
Nick VinZant 34:11
think that armchair quarterbacking is ridiculous. Because there is a 99.9% chance that somebody on the internet talking does not know more about experts. We have endless experts on this show. And without regard. There is an endless supply of people that somehow no more than the person who studies this thing for a living. I think that we have completely devalued expertise. And if somehow is transitioned into a society where knowing about something somehow means you know less about it. So in my mind, armchair quarterbacks are always wrong. And when we look at sports, like there was 50,000 Different NFL mock drafts that people put up and spent months talking about it. And somehow despite all of these people getting paid millions of dollars for this and doing it for a living Every single one of them was wrong. Like the peep, and I was fascinated about watching the NFL draft to continue this on, when they had Nick Saban on there, like somebody who was an actual professional football coach, you could clearly tell that he knew what he was talking about so much more than anybody else did. Like people are experts for a reason and how we've suddenly decided that people who are experts, no less than just somebody who can Google something on the internet is unreal to me, because you have knowledge without context. expertise is knowing when something applies.
John Shull 35:36
Okay, Episode over, we'll see you guys next week I've was heated about.
Nick VinZant 35:40
I'm worried about that, wow. Oh, it's drives me nuts. It drives me nuts how somehow being an expert in something doesn't count for anything anymore. Because somebody can Google it, find one single iota of a fact that they think agrees with them, and then use that to somehow ruin the entire argument of somebody else. Like climate change isn't real. It was two degrees colder on January 6, last year than it was the year before. Like, well, that they don't know enough to know they know nothing.
John Shull 36:12
I mean, listen, everyone just wants to everybody wants to feel probably, that they, you know, can be a voice that they have a voice. However, I agree with you in that. They don't go about that the right way. There are no experts usually on topics that speak about that topic. And just give blind opinions or facts. It's usually all scientific. Ly backed or research based, right?
Nick VinZant 36:37
Yeah. They know what they're talking about. Yeah, I think that we've Great. That's an interesting thing that honestly to go on a complete rant, right? Like you and I think this is potentially like a, an issue for our society moving forward is that you and I grew up with, like gatekeepers, if you saw somebody kind of talking about something on the news, or being interviewed or writing a book, or posting or whatever, they generally knew what they're talking about, like you were, you had much more reliable sources. Now, we don't really have that anymore. And like anybody's opinion can be launched anywhere. And it's almost like the algorithm by not knowing what you're talking about means you go farther than anybody else. So we've essentially amplified the idiots in our society, and downplayed the people who actually know it's talking about its problem.
John Shull 37:26
I was gonna bring up an influencer, who, so the NFL draft was in Detroit. You know, if no one in the world was aware of that, which I don't know how you wouldn't have been. And I swear, probably the largest cheers. Other than the lions first round draft pick, was for an influencer named sketch. I don't know. Yeah, I know nothing about this person. I had to look them up, I still don't really understand why, why they why they're so popular and why they got to be front and center at the NFL Draft. But I
Nick VinZant 38:00
don't know much about it. But I think that's kind of an inspiring, inspiring story. I think that they're like a really nice person. They've got a story. But I think that you need to adjust the reality that social media people are now the most famous people in society. I think that like YouTube, and YouTubers and influencers are now the most famous people in the world. It's not artists and musicians anymore. It's now them.
John Shull 38:25
I see. So I'm reading a little bit about sketch. And apparently he is a gamer slash influencer and has almost a million followers and plays Madden. So good. Good. Good for him.
Nick VinZant 38:40
Amen. Take, would you get an opportunity run it. Alright.
John Shull 38:44
Let's see. I feel I would feel like I was doing a disservice to all of us gambling. Losers out there if I didn't get your opinion on this. But the Kentucky Derby
Nick VinZant 38:57
is that this weekend?
John Shull 38:58
It is this upcoming weekend? Yes.
Nick VinZant 39:01
I have no interest in that. I have no interest in things where an animal or a vehicle does more work.
John Shull 39:11
Like, well, I mean, I think it's less than that. You know what, we should probably have this debate. Because I feel like for horse racing, it's, you know, if there is a saddle jockey, which these horses have. It's a T It's teamwork, right? It's both of them. Which
Nick VinZant 39:27
one's running?
John Shull 39:28
The horse. Okay, but who's directing them? Who's staring them?
Nick VinZant 39:33
I think the horse can handle running straight. They've somehow managed to survive for however long horses have survived. I think if you took the jockey off it just like put something down there. They would probably run. They'd probably do just fine without the jockey. Nobody or attempt to pretend like we were involved in this sport.
John Shull 39:52
I mean, I don't know if I agree. I mean, I'm not saying that I'm pro like, you know, beating the horse with one of those whip things, yeah, I don't think most people are. But I also think that that's part of it, you know, you tell the horse to speed up, you tell the horse to slow down. I know it's all, you know, yes, the horse could run straight on its own, of course. But adding the human element to it just adds another layer of competition.
Nick VinZant 40:19
I just feel like whatever the human human element is, besides her maybe like training and diet and nutrition, and I think they're probably putting something else in the horse. Who knows, right? Like, how do you know this as fast as the horse can run? Like, oh, no, you got to slow it down here. Do you know did you talk to the horse? Like you might be late might be a lot faster. I mean, without factoring the weight in Right? Like, what do you need? The person for? The horse might be just fine without the dogs do it just fine. You can tell me the horse is a horse that much dumber than a dog? Like no, no, no, these horses, you got to have somebody on their back. They can't handle just running in a straight line like dogs can. Well,
John Shull 40:59
to be fair, I and I, you know what, I don't know much about our racing. And I don't know the distances. But horses run a mile, they run two miles, like, you know, they run. I mean, you can't expect the horses to run in a straight line for, you know, a mile and a quarter. Like, it's not going to do it.
Nick VinZant 41:17
I think they'd be fine. I think the horse is going to be alright. And I think it would be better quite frankly, if we just let the horse do what they want to the horse doesn't want to finish the race. The horse doesn't finish the race. I've never gotten really excited about it. The Kentucky Derby This is just one of those things like
John Shull 41:33
this will probably be an unpopular opinion. Maybe not. But I actually enjoy horse racing. One of the best things I've done was go to a horse racing track. It's a lot of fun, and have some beers. But on some horses, it's a good night.
Nick VinZant 41:49
Okay, no, I understand it from that standpoint. I just don't like I'm not gonna look at this and be like, Wow, what athletes what trainers are around like the horse is doing everything. Now you the horse gets the least amount of credit and does the most work. Yeah,
John Shull 42:08
I mean, I don't disagree with that. Anyways, all right. So this caught my eye would you do this? So at the Nashville Predators hockey game during one of the intermissions? Apparently this is a thing now. They take a dead frozen catfish. And somebody opens up a beer, put it pours it into the catfish, and then chugs the beer out of the out of the catfish.
Nick VinZant 42:34
I mean, I'm that's awesome. I'm not going to do it, but I'll definitely watch somebody else do it. Like that just seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Well, I don't want to drink anything. I mean, no, I'm not drinking. No. Hmm.
John Shull 42:49
Well, there is a viral video for any of you out there. Want to check it out? Just look up natural predators. cat fish chug, and there'll be a few of them that pop up. Okay,
Nick VinZant 42:58
okay. Okay. It just Oh, dude. Are you would you do it?
John Shull 43:02
Yeah, I would do it for sure.
Nick VinZant 43:04
No way. cat fish beer.
John Shull 43:07
I mean, no. Who? Who? Why not? I don't think I do it if I'd have to pay. But like I would do it. You know if? If somebody was like, Hey, come check us out of this. Dead frozen catfish. That sounds terrible.
Nick VinZant 43:21
No, I'm definitely not paying for it. Like you got to pay me and then I mean, how much damage do they give him? They give him money or there's just like, you can do it or not.
John Shull 43:28
I didn't see that. They got paid for it. No.
Nick VinZant 43:31
Oh, yeah, I'm not doing that. No, I'm good. I'm good, bro. All
John Shull 43:35
right. Let's see. I felt like I just brought this up because you say that you are a Buffalo Bills fan. So I know. I know. We've had some sporty topics here but so the Buffalo Bills drafted a player in this past NFL draft that had never played professional football before. You okay with that? Doesn't matter to you? Does it? Do you care? These
Nick VinZant 43:57
probably some kind of freak athlete. I'm assuming Right? Like if somebody's just that athletic and that big or that kind of stuff. Like yeah, he's probably fine. I mean, right. Like if you can't like he's never played football, but he's six five and runs a four zero and benches. 450 reps. Like I think we'll okay taking him. He's know what they're doing, man. It's not the Detroit Lions over
John Shull 44:19
here. Superbowl champs, former future. Sorry. This
Nick VinZant 44:23
is my okay. I have a problem with you and Detroit. Okay. Does Eminem have to be involved in every single thing that Detroit does. You guys got to get another person. Detroit has to have another person besides Eminem, just like oh, it's in Detroit will get Eminem out. You got to have one other person besides him. He can't be the spokesperson for all of Detroit for every single thing that happens there.
John Shull 44:49
Well, what I mean, but by currently, I mean, why not? I mean, obviously,
Nick VinZant 44:53
get somebody else. You got to have one other person. It's such a great city. It's so amazing reporting to me and the only person you have is Eminem has to do it for every single thing.
John Shull 45:01
I mean, there's plenty of i Listen, I don't know why he's friends. He's a huge lions fan. I mean, Big Sean was also there. There was some Motown legends that were there. Listen, it used to be Kid Rock, and Eminem. But we all know kid rocks, political affiliations, and how he's kind of done some crazy stuff, no matter what line you're on. It's a little extreme. So he's been kind of put to the backburner, but it used to be, you know, Kid Rock, and Eminem. Were kind of like the two I don't wanna say pop stars or whatever. But like, you know, faces of Detroit when there was a huge event. Now, Kid Rock saw the picture. Eminem is kind of had a little bit of a rebirth. And his back lay, you know, he just Yeah, I do agree with you. But I feel like people only notice that because the Detroit Lions have been successful the last year and the last year only pretty much of the last two decades.
Nick VinZant 45:54
Okay, you got to if you you got to have somebody new by next year. Eminem can't do every single thing.
John Shull 46:00
I mean, it's gonna I mean, you could name there's five sports stars in the city that well, that's not true. I
Nick VinZant 46:07
can't think honestly, I can't. I don't know a single. That's the problem, right? Like Eminem is the only guy like, well, they're all sitting around, like get somebody from Detroit.
John Shull 46:16
It was Eminem and Barry right. Barry Sanders. They were kind of the two headliners of the draft for the for representing Detroit. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 46:24
Barry Sanders from Wichita, my hometown by the way, so please don't try to take him sure
John Shull 46:29
is just anyways, Detroit. I don't think the guy that built the guy the bill is drafted former rugby player six foot seven 300 pounds, and he can run a force 740. So yeah, well, he is a god damn freak of nature.
Nick VinZant 46:41
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Pick him up. Like.
John Shull 46:46
And for those of you out there that aren't into sports, like, that's a freak like that is a freak human. But yeah. I don't even know how else to say it. Like, he's just, he's just that much of a freak. All right. Let's see here. I'm trying. I'm trying to pick one that isn't sports related. Because I looked on the internet, I realized that most of these are. Are sports related. Do you give a rat's ass about Taylor Swift releasing another album? No. I mean, because I think we're the only two people in the world that don't care at all.
Nick VinZant 47:21
I think we're I think that this phase is probably ending. Because, like, I don't I think that that's one of those things that's kind of media manufactured. Yeah, she's very popular. A lot of people know who you are a lot of people like her music. But I think that it's much more a public relations Media Relations thing and what you're just constantly hearing about it. Because, like, I don't know, it's just one of those things that we're gonna keep going until you have like, right, like, what's what's really happening? Are people really disinterested? Or does the media just want to hammer this nail home until it's so far dead in the woods that we can't do anything about it? So I yeah, I don't care. I'm not gonna listen to it.
John Shull 48:07
Alright, let's let's wrap this up here. Travis Kelce. Taylor Swift. How many more months you give the relationship?
Nick VinZant 48:14
She's had a new album come out. Six months?
John Shull 48:19
I think they are rocky by the next Super Bowl. So I'll give them less than a year.
Nick VinZant 48:24
Okay. D Okay. Do you think they make it out of 2024?
John Shull 48:30
Yes, but I think there's rumors that you know, what's happening? Are they not happy? You know, things like that. But I, I don't think they last much in the 2025. Which is also crazy thinking that next year is going to be 2025. That's kind of insane.
Nick VinZant 48:46
That's crazy. I generally like odd numbered years more than I like even numbered years. I like odd numbered years for my personal age. And I like odd. No, no. No, wait, I know, I like odd numbered years for my personal age. Like I like 33 more than I like 34 or 32. And I guess even numbered years, except unless it's like a five even or a five, divisible by five. Those are my favorite years.
John Shull 49:17
Great. Let's end on this. Vampire facials.
Nick VinZant 49:25
Dang, have you heard of those one? Is this. Are they taking blood out of you? Yeah. So
John Shull 49:31
it's actually it's actually quite there's a serious part of this, which I want to get out of the way right now. And then we can have a little fun. So three women have been infected with HIV because of these, these transfusions. But that's the problem. Essentially, what what's happening is exactly what you said. People are getting blood taken out of other parts of their body or other areas and it's being injected into their faces and in New Mexico and an unauthorized spa They were using the same needle and have given three people, HIV. But without that said, vampire facials just sound terrible. Anything that ends in facial just sounds a little suspect.
Nick VinZant 50:15
I generally think it's a bad idea to mess with things you don't understand. Especially when it comes to like nature, or it's our bodies or the environment. Don't Don't mess with things that took millions of years to develop. Don't mess with them. Leave him alone, right? Are you or be prepared to pay the price?
John Shull 50:35
Here's what I wanted to say about this as look at Google search. If you really want to know what a Vampire Facial looks like, gross dude is a Kim Kardashian Vampire Facial, and it should bring up a photo from a decade ago. And that's what that is. Oh,
Nick VinZant 50:52
god. Wait, so they're just they're putting blood back into your face or just smearing your blood? No. So they're placing for
John Shull 51:03
those of you that didn't do that the picture of her kind of It looks like she spilled blood on her face. But that's not that's not what happens. They've injected into your skin. And it's supposed to, you know, give you healthy or skin I don't know.
Nick VinZant 51:19
How is that supposed to make it so your own blood somehow being put somewhere else? Like why would that make any sense? Like you're there already in your body? Why would putting it like it's already moving around? And you know, there's
John Shull 51:30
there's like a scientific thing where they separator let's be they separate the platelets and stuff. It's a whole scientific thing. But anyways, vampire facials. Alright, are we ready?
Nick VinZant 51:42
Yeah. I'm interested to hear what you're going to have to say. So I don't know exactly how to phrase our top five.
John Shull 51:50
Wait our top way, way, way, way, way. Way. Way. Way, way. Way. Wait. That's not what I was asking if you were ready for
Nick VinZant 52:01
you have to learn how to use a calendar.
John Shull 52:06
I am what days? Way first is Wednesday.
Nick VinZant 52:11
Oh, oh, I need to Oh, my knuckle trick of 30/31 I didn't know. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You didn't have your usual level of excitement in which the only thing that you want to do the whole episode is talking about candle in the month. But since I forgot Are you ready? Yes. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Ready. The Outlaw candle connoisseur Rides Again, candle of the month. Whoa, just
John Shull 52:43
to thank you all out there were patiently waiting. And Nick almost forgot about us. But you know, almost forget that let me saddle you all back in. We're going to take we're going to trip take a trip over to Yankee Candle. One of the one of my more favorite candles that I that I've had the pleasure of of of lighting in probably the last decade and I've been lighting candles for a long time. Go to Yankee Candles called flowers in the sun. And you know, you can get it all kinds of styles, ounces. wicks, obviously, I'm going with three wicks. And it's exactly what you think it is. It's, you get a remarkably sweet taste of different flowers. It's warm, light, it light it like maybe mid day and then when you're like it when the sun goes down. It's like the sun never went down. Don't let the sun go down on me. One guy once said you know what I'm saying? Check it out. Flowers in the sun Yankee Candle. That's the May 2024 candle of the month.
Nick VinZant 53:54
Okay, okay, how do you feel about this candle of the month? Did you did you give a description?
John Shull 54:00
I did but apparently you were too busy texting again.
Nick VinZant 54:03
I was I was looking at the poll results. I was trying to do two things thinking that I could pay attention to what the poll results were and listen to you. But as you finish so quickly, I was like oh, I got at least like two minutes. John your acre while you
John Shull 54:16
are ill. You are a terrible multitasker.
Nick VinZant 54:21
I'm not doing very well. I'm not doing very well today. I couldn't I thought I could do it. But I couldn't do it. Where would you rank this candle though as candle the months go in terms of now obviously his candle the month it's a great candle. It's a great candle. It's great. But on a scale of one to 10 for candles of the month. Where would you put this as a candle of the month
John Shull 54:40
roof. I mean, like I said, which you were too busy not listening to. It's probably it's probably a top 10 candle of the last decade for me Whoa, it's it's, you know one thing I didn't actually mention last decade. It's so like I said It has a very sweet aroma of flowers. It's called flowers in the sun, but it also has like, like a almost like a sugar cookie after scent, which it just, it just brings it all around. It's fantastic. How
Nick VinZant 55:14
do you feel that in probably one of your most important candles of the mind that number one, I forgot about it. Number two, I stopped paying attention while you did a very succinct and good response and good analysis of your candle the month, basically, how do you feel about the fact that you did the best job you've ever done on candle in the month and I wasn't paying attention to notice at all?
John Shull 55:35
I mean, like you said earlier, I you know, as a human being I'm used to people not recognizing what a good job is. So I'm used to it. But you know what, I feel good about it. And that's all that matters.
Nick VinZant 55:46
That's why See, that's why you're an open door guy. You want to keep the door open, I have results for the poll, if you want to, if you want to listen to it. 56% of people say they would rather open a door 33% say they would rather close the door. No 11% said they have no preference. They don't care if they're opening or closing the door. And
John Shull 56:04
those people are the ones who are playing video games in their mom's basement still.
Nick VinZant 56:10
Yeah, or they just don't have doors in their household. I actually had somebody that I held the door for and waited a second. Not a lot. But I probably waited two seconds held the door and they just walked right past and didn't say a word.
John Shull 56:25
Yeah, I mean, I if that happens, I usually say something, you know, like, Hey, you're welcome. And sometimes I don't get a response.
Nick VinZant 56:32
I'm too fascinated. I just want to watch them quietly and be like, what are you going to do next? Like that's, that's, that's, that's breaking the social contract. Okay. I don't know how to describe our top five. Are you ready for a top five?
John Shull 56:47
I think I did it wrong. But we'll see. So I'm not
Nick VinZant 56:51
really sure exactly how to say what it is. But basically top five things we're constantly confused about, like no matter how many times the right answer gets explained to us, or how many times we have to figure this out. We're still confused about what this thing is, or how to do it. What's your number? What's your number five.
John Shull 57:11
Okay, all right. Well, here we go. My number five is, I'm always forgetting how to remember like remembering people's names.
Nick VinZant 57:21
Oh, I don't even try. Like I don't even try to remember people's names. I'm
John Shull 57:26
the worst. And unfortunately, I kind of nickname them. So I'll be like, hey, Roger, and he'll be like, No, my name is David. And then like, two days later, I'll be like, Oh, hey, Brian, it'll be like no names still, David.
Nick VinZant 57:39
What? What do you think is worse, getting somebody's name wrong, who you've met many times before, or not knowing the name of somebody who you've met many times before?
John Shull 57:51
Getting the name wrong of somebody that you just met? I mean, if I know you, right, and we've hung out if I've seen you plenty of times, that's on me then if I forget it, like I'm the douchebag. But if I just met you once or twice, then maybe I bumped into you a couple months later, like that's on you at that point. That's, that's not on me.
Nick VinZant 58:10
Some people are really good. There's a guy that I run into the park, who knows, like my name, my wife's name, my kids names everything. And I don't know what his name is. And I've been running him to him for the last three years. He's great with names. I can't remember. I still don't know. My number five is arrivals and departures at the airport. Okay, whenever I go to the airport, I really have to like, stop and think for a second if I'm supposed to. Am I arriving? Am I departing because I'm arriving for a departing flight. Or I'm arriving to pick up someone who is arriving. Like I really always have to stop and think for a minute like Okay, wait, which 1am I going to Arrivals or departures,
John Shull 58:50
that's actually a great one. And I have actually gone to departures more times on accident. And I'm gonna go well, I'm here. I don't know how, how I got here. I'm supposed to be going to arrivals. But I guess you're coming out now through the departure doors, because I'm here. So
Nick VinZant 59:07
all you got to do is go upstairs and downstairs. It's not a big deal. Like I'm coming to pick you up at the airport, you can just hop your ass on an escalator and elevator for five seconds and then walk out the other door. You have to accommodate that person.
John Shull 59:19
It really is. It really is.
Nick VinZant 59:22
I can't keep it straight man. I can never keep that straight. What's your number four.
John Shull 59:28
I think my list is gonna tell a lot about me. So I apologize in advance. But my number four is basically using my phone for like, you know as payment. Like when you use Apple Pay, or like, you know, like you're at Starbucks and they you have like their app. I never know like, really what to do. And I'm always nervous about it. And I never think it goes through. So sometimes I've gone to where like you know they scan it and I look at it and I'll go do you need to scan it again. Like is it didn't take and then they look at me like I'm an idiot So it's all good. It's all fair.
Nick VinZant 1:00:01
It's very difficult to know that at the age of 35 plus, for both of us, we have already crossed the line where we won't understand new technology. I'm like our we become our parents, and we don't understand it anymore. It's I don't have like that.
John Shull 1:00:16
I don't have this on the list. But it's similar aspect is like, you know, the holding up the card to the card reader and like, touch, like, you know, touchless card readers. Like, it'll say card, you know, card read, and I'll be like, but it didn't make a noise. What does that? Do? I need to stick it in. Now, I don't know,
Nick VinZant 1:00:35
I don't know how I'm not that bad. Dude, it makes like a beep noise. It goes,
John Shull 1:00:38
it's pretty tear. It's pretty terrible.
Nick VinZant 1:00:41
I really don't understand what we've done with credit cards in the sense that, like, we used to have to, like sign our lives away and prove it was us. And now we just walk past the thing. Like, how is that more secure than what we used to do? Like, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Anyway, my number four is any kind of instructions, assembly instructions. There is I don't know, if I've ever assembled something and not had to backtrack and fix a mistake. No matter how closely I follow the instructions, I have to backtrack and fix at least one mistake. So
John Shull 1:01:13
I have that on my list a little bit higher. So I'll talk about it when we get up there. Okay, my number three, and this is gonna sound really terrible. But but it's really just traffic laws. Like I get confused, like, yeah, that's a good one. Each state has different traffic laws and Michigan, like you can turn left on a red light. If it's only one way traffic, or like, you know, you can turn it an intersection. If it's only north and south traffic. It's like how many rules and you go to different states, there's different, you know, different rules, obviously, I just get confused sometimes. And I just kind of drive I want to drive.
Nick VinZant 1:01:54
That's a really good one. Because I've been driving for 20 plus years. And still I'm not entirely sure who's supposed to go first on a four way stop.
John Shull 1:02:02
I mean, yeah, stop right there, right. I mean, I'm not even at a four I can be at a two way stop. And if the person has their blinker on to turn, you know, left or right, I'm just like, do you go? I got here first, I think
Nick VinZant 1:02:16
I think it's the person who gets there first. Or if you get there at the same time, it's the car to the right.
John Shull 1:02:23
I did i I have no idea. But that
Nick VinZant 1:02:27
doesn't make any sense. Because what if all four cars get there at the same time? Right? I mean, who's gonna go because,
John Shull 1:02:33
well, then you end up doing one of those weird wavy things where they go, but then you think you're supposed to go? Because they waved you through? And then you're both in the middle. It's just Yeah, so traffic. You know, traffic laws are my number three,
Nick VinZant 1:02:46
I've adopted a new strategy and that I give people the wave. But if they give me a wave, I don't hesitate. And I just go, just floor it. I mean, I get it. I go like, I'm going, I'm not waiting.
John Shull 1:02:58
Why is that guy going? 40? All right. What's your number three?
Nick VinZant 1:03:01
The difference between effect and effect effect with the E in effect with the A, I still don't understand it? I never am entirely sure. And so I'll just write instead, all like, I'll use the word impact. It's going to impact a lot of people because I'm not sure like, I don't understand it, and you'll I will never understand it.
John Shull 1:03:19
That's your PR days coming out right there. I think still don't know what it is.
Nick VinZant 1:03:23
I don't want to get it. Well, I get it. But I don't have confidence. I don't have enough confidence. Go ahead. Gotta
John Shull 1:03:29
have confidence, man. I don't, I don't. So my number two is that's where I put the Like, not being able to follow an instruction manual.
Nick VinZant 1:03:42
Yeah, but do you still have trouble if you like, actually kind of like, No, I'm going to slow down and try. Yeah,
John Shull 1:03:50
I could literally spend. I remember one time when I was a younger man, I spent probably six hours putting together an Ikea dresser, only to have it lean, like the Tower of Pisa. And I had no idea how like what I messed up and I took my time all day to put that stupid thing together. Because
Nick VinZant 1:04:09
there's always like a little detail in the instruction that no no, this one screw has a small mark on the bottom of it that you were supposed to somehow notice in the bottom left hand corner and you miss that.
John Shull 1:04:23
Yeah, like or, or like the 3d renderings are like kind of weird. And you don't really know which hole the pegs go in. And it just it's just a lot. It's, it's not
Nick VinZant 1:04:33
it's it's never as helpful as it should be. Is that your number two,
John Shull 1:04:37
this is my suit. But my number your number two.
Nick VinZant 1:04:40
My number two is the difference between medium and mild. I can never remember if medium is hotter than mild or have mild is hotter than medium. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I feel like mild should be hotter than medium but it's not. Me and I'm always confused by this.
John Shull 1:04:56
I'm gonna sound like a snob here but I some saw gases that are supposed to be not hot to me can be a little spicy. And you know, if you go to B Dubs and you get say like the blaze and like, that's never really been that hot to me. So I don't even go by like a hot scale anymore. I just go by like what tastes good, but
Nick VinZant 1:05:14
he's mild supposed to be hotter than medium? Yes. Okay, I just can't keep that straight. Okay, sure. Number one.
John Shull 1:05:23
So my number one is basically just, I can never remember, never know how to do it correctly, but it's just passwords, man. It's just remembering passwords, and you have to reset the password, which takes 12 minutes, and then I set a password that I ultimately end up forgetting the next day anyways.
Nick VinZant 1:05:44
Yeah, there's a lot of times where I just automatically go to reset password. Like, I'm not remembering this. It's I don't you have like a foreign password you use for pretty much everything and then just add one number to the end of it.
John Shull 1:05:56
I do but then I get cute. I'm like, Well, I don't want hackers to hack into my bank account with the same password. So I'll change up the password. And it's just it's probably not very smart, because hackers can get into anything they want.
Nick VinZant 1:06:09
I don't really worry about that. I really don't worry about that. Because I feel like everybody who wants your information has probably already gotten it. And I feel like if your account does get hacked, well, then you just like, hey, my account got hacked. And the bank gives you back like I just really don't feel like that's this is that big of a deal.
John Shull 1:06:27
It isn't anymore. I mean, you are correct. It's not that big of a deal anymore, the bank or whatever institution will usually get back at you pretty quick.
Nick VinZant 1:06:37
My number one is shower curtains. I can never keep straight like what part of the shower is supposed to go in the tub is supposed to go outside of the tub. What parts are supposed to go inside of the tub one part supposed to go outside of the tub. Like I've been messing this up my whole life. I can I don't think I've ever used the shower curtain correctly. I can both go in to both go outside of the tub. does one go inside of the tub. And the other goes outside of the tub. Like I don't, I can't keep it straight.
John Shull 1:07:12
I honestly don't even know. I mean, get the ones with the metallic things on the bottom of them and they just latch on in your bathtub. You don't ever have to vessel them. But
Nick VinZant 1:07:21
one goes inside and one goes outside. Correct? Yes. But sometimes I've been there where like the one that goes inside looks like it's made of paper like there's no way this thing is supposed to be inside. So I put it outside, and then there's a mess all over the floor. And then I get in trouble about it. It just doesn't make sense to me. Do you have anything in your honorable mention?
John Shull 1:07:41
Not much more than what we've already discussed. I will add this is just me but like turning on and off things. Like sometimes I just forget to do it. It's more of a forgetful thing. Or like an OCD thing. Not necessarily I don't know what to do. But like I'll be like, Did I turn that burner off? Did I turn the burner on? Or like I'll check it five times or like you know, I'll turn off the grill the propane tank and like go outside six or seven times and make sure I turn it off. So
Nick VinZant 1:08:10
we're becoming the same person because I do vote I have like a nightly check. Where I make sure all the cars are locked. I make sure the grill like not the grill and make sure the stove is off. The freezer is closed. The doors are locked.
John Shull 1:08:23
I do have a I have a nightly check and I have a morning check to like it's Oh
Nick VinZant 1:08:27
God, I don't do the morning check. I do. You're gonna You're worse than I am. Well,
John Shull 1:08:31
that's anyone who has ever had a flood knows what I'm talking about. I got to check the basement every morning. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 1:08:39
well, that's why I don't live in Detroit. Ah, okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps out the show and let us know what are some things that just always confuse you. I really feel like I should be able to by now. Get the shower curtain thing figured out. But it just hasn't happened yet. And I wonder if it's ever gonna happen. Let us know if there's anything like that for you.
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