Myles Miller is one of the best Tetris players in the world. As a Professional Tetris player, he’s one of only a few people to score over 8,000,000 points in a game. We talk the unique strategies of high-level Tetris, the difficulties of hand sweat and conquering the Holy Grail of Tetris. Then, we countdown the a special “talkative” Top 5.
Myles Miller: 01:25
Pointless: 28:31
Top 5: 45:16
Interview with Professional Tetris Player Myles Miller (aka MylesTheGreat)
Nick VinZant 0:00
Hey welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant Coming up in this episode, Tetris, and stuff we don't want to hear about
Myles Miller 0:21
higher level players have certain setups and patterns that they know that they'll purposely set up. It's going to look like they're messing up but they're doing something on purpose in order to score more points or to be more efficient. Oh, it's tough, bro. Like my hands, my hands be sweating Toubro, like I it's you just got to deal with a lot like, you learn to okay, my hands sweaty, Okay, I gotta line clear. Okay, go for the hand wipe. I mean, honestly, I've played so much that my mind just instantly knows what to do. I barely have to think about it. Like I just see a formation. I see the next piece. I'm like, Okay, this is clearly where it's gonna go. I
Nick VinZant 0:54
want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener. Welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guest, because he is one of the best Tetris players in the world. This is professional Tetris player, Myles Miller. So why Tetris
Myles Miller 1:26
since I was a kid. I've always kind of liked puzzles and stuff like that. Like when I was little I, I did like puzzles my grandma. When I played like other games I played like Minecraft. There were maps you could download you could play. So I guess I've just always kind of enjoyed games like that. And then I mean, touches is kind of just like the ultimate puzzle game where you
Nick VinZant 1:47
immediately good at it, or did you feel like you had to get good at it?
Myles Miller 1:52
No, I was really bad. When I started. I played I started playing Tetris. 99, which came out on the switch. And it's basically like, kinda like a battle royale, where you're playing 99 other people. And you have to be like, the last person standing. So you're just trying to survive. And I was really bad. I kept losing. And I was like, Okay, I just want to get a win. I just want to beat the 99 other people. And so I just kept playing until I got a win. And then I was like, Okay, maybe I'll just keep playing some more. So I just kept going from there. Like,
Nick VinZant 2:23
how would you say you played it a lot? Like, how many hours were you playing? Then? How many hours a day, are you or week or whatever? Are you playing now.
Myles Miller 2:30
I mean, maybe like, an hour or two a day, I would like stream my gameplay online, I would watch other people play it. So I would just be involved in I guess, the community of the game. And I think that like being involved in it really helps you to learn because you're like watching other people talking about it. And all this stuff kind of just like, helps you like cumulate together, I guess and skill, it's something like that. How
Nick VinZant 2:57
much of a difference is there between somebody who's good and somebody who's like, worldwide good, no unprofessional level good.
Myles Miller 3:05
There's a huge difference, because like the normal person, they might like, you know, just set up for just Tetris is on the sides, they're just gonna stack very, very cleanly, they're not going to do anything crazy. But maybe some higher level players have certain setups and patterns that they know that they'll purposely set up, it's gonna look like they're messing up, but they're doing something on purpose. In order to score more points or to be more efficient. It's usually a pretty big difference. Also, speed speeds, a big one, you'll see the top level players go much faster than someone else,
Nick VinZant 3:40
I kind of understand what you mean by that, in the sense that like, for me, when I play, I'm just trying to keep the whole thing clear as much as possible. But to be at the top level, I'm imagining like, No, you're, you've got specific kind of plays, for lack of a better word to do.
Myles Miller 3:55
There's things called like T spins, you can do which is where you use the T piece, and you create a hole and then you put the T piece in the hole and spin it and it clears two lines. And that score is the same amount of points as a four line clear. A Tetris clear just with the the long piece, and you're trying to take the least amount of other clears as possible. You pretty much just want only touches.
Nick VinZant 4:20
I don't even know actually what a Tetris is, I know it's the name of the game, but it's something in the game. Yeah,
Myles Miller 4:25
there's a thing it's called a Tetris is when so there's a long piece it's for, for high. It's just a long string. Yeah, yeah. And it's when you just put it down the side and clear four lines at once. That's called a Tetris.
Nick VinZant 4:38
Oh, I didn't know that. That's what the game was originally named after. Yeah,
Myles Miller 4:44
I don't know if they they named it that or if people just started calling it that, but that's what it is. When you you clear a Tetris, you get a Tetris. It's when you clear four lines at once with a line piece. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 4:54
I just assumed it's what the game was called. Like, oh, I didn't think it was a thing within the game. So when you when you kind of look at it in a competitive standpoint, like what's your overall strategy. So
Myles Miller 5:05
going into the game a little bit, you progress the levels. And as you get higher into the levels, the speeds going to increase, right, it's gonna get harder to play, the points are gonna go up. And when you get to level 29, which is often called the kill screen, the speed ramps up a lot at level 29, the speed doubles from the previous speed. And it's called a kill screen, because that's where the developers intended you to lose, they're like, Okay, people are going to lose that level 29. But nowadays, people can can play pass level 29 and score more points on the kill screen with the new techniques that have been found. So the play, the technique used to be score as many touches as possible to level 29. Because level 29 is where people used to die. So just be as efficient as possible. Until then, the now people have figured out how to play on level 29. So now you can play a bit safer and level 29 You still want to get touches, but it's difficult, it's more difficult because it's faster. So you maybe want to play a little bit safer than he previously had. So people don't just go for all touches, like they did on some of the levels before. So
Nick VinZant 6:14
can you can you go past level 29? Or do you just play 29 until it's over?
Myles Miller 6:18
Yeah, level 29 is where the speed caps out. So that's the that's where the speed hits its max. So if you can make the level 29 You could theoretically keep playing forever if you're good enough on that speed. But people got so good at that than a competition, we decided to call level 39 The endpoint. So in competition if you get to level 39 That's where we're going to end it because otherwise it would just take too long because people can just play it for a long time. So
Nick VinZant 6:45
what's the longest like you've ever been able to play for
Myles Miller 6:49
normal play like outside of competition? I've had a game go up to I got a personal best last week and went up to level 118 I think that took probably like 30 minutes or so. I'm just a gameplay. So yeah, I can go I can go a lot longer than that though.
Nick VinZant 7:09
Man. I was playing like Super Mario Winder yesterday and my hands were just sweating like how do you not just slip off the controller man? Oh, it's
Myles Miller 7:19
tough, bro. Like my hands. My hands be sweating super like i It's you just got to do it a lot. Like, you learn to okay, my hands sweaty. Okay, I gotta line clear. Okay, go for the handwired Okay, I gotta call my breathing. You know, don't don't be too excited. You've been here before? You know. There's a lot of things like that. It's nerve wracking. Believe me, is
Nick VinZant 7:38
that like, the biggest problem in the protesters community is hand sweat. I
Myles Miller 7:42
mean, nerves enhancer, that that's, that's massive. I mean, in any competition in any thing, there's gonna be there's gonna be nerves, there's gonna be factors like that. I'd say that's a pretty big factor for sure.
Nick VinZant 7:55
How many people are like at a high competitive level at this? Like, how competitive is this?
Myles Miller 8:01
I would say that's a there's about, I don't know, 100 or 200. People who are have gotten over. Okay, wait. So there's actually in the history of the game, there's about 500 people who have gotten a million points. The game on the classic NES, the score caps out at 999999, just like six nines, it's gonna cap out at that. So about 500 people have gotten a million points. So if you can get a million points, you're usually I would say you could call yourself a pretty good player. And then as for high competition level, there's a world championship where 48 people qualify into the World Championship. So I'd say those top 48 If you're if you're playing in the World Championship, you could call yourself like a pretty high tier player, for sure.
Nick VinZant 8:51
What's the what's the best you've ever done? I played
Myles Miller 8:55
in the world championship for the past four years. And the best one I did was last year, I got 14th place in the world championship.
Nick VinZant 9:07
So what are they doing then? That's, that's different than what you're doing? Like, can you look at their game and be like, Okay, this is why they're better than me. Or they beat me in this circumstance,
Myles Miller 9:19
they are able to control their nerves better. They're maybe maybe they know how to stack better. They know how to do something called rolling. I think going into rolling is now that's just the technique that people use the play. It's called it's called rolling. So basically, right, we have like, we have just a normal controller, right? You probably probably seen it. Yeah, normally you just like, right? You just like do this with the controller, right? But this was too slow. So basically, when you hold that people used to hold down the left and right, and that moves the pieces 10 times a second. And this is when people would die at level 29 Because if you're moving the pieces 10 times a second. It is too slow to play pass level 29. And so people are like, Okay, wait, what if I can tap faster than 10 times a second. So people started tapping at like 1314 times a second. And they're like, Okay, this is better than Das, which is what holding down, it's okay. Delayed delayed auto shift. It's like, well, that's what people used to use. Yeah. And then we moved into hyper tapping, we call it where basically just tense up your arm, and just make your finger move really fast. But even that was slow. And then someone came up with a technique that's better than that, where instead of just tapping with one finger, you would rest a finger on the D pad, you'd rest the finger on the D pad, and then you hit the back of the controller. So it pushes into my thumb, you see how it's getting pushed into my thumb. So if you go really fast, it can press into your thumb, I like 30 times a second, which is twice as fast as just tapping with one finger. So this technique is what all the top players use. If you watch any Tetris competition, you're gonna see people doing this. It's what all the top level players do. Now.
Nick VinZant 11:07
How did somebody figure that out? There's just trial and error eventually, like,
Myles Miller 11:11
yeah, so back, someone caught someone named cheese fish, that's their, their gamertag, they came up with that technique. They looked at this old arcade game called track and field where there was a lot of buttons, like on our key again, you can remember and they saw people like using their fingers like this on the buttons. And he was like, Okay, but what if I do that with a controller, and so he came up with that idea. And this was in early 2021, when this came out. So about three years ago, that technique was discovered, and just people started getting good at it. And that's, that's what's allowed people to play super far into the game. Now, it's crazy.
Nick VinZant 11:50
Do you think that there's anything else that's gonna kind of like revolutionize it like that? The
Myles Miller 11:54
speed the fastest speed, you can move. So the game are getting a bit technical, the game is 60 frames per second. And the fastest you can move a piece is 30 times a second because there's a delay between pressing and and pressing. So that's two frames right there to press and unpress. So the max speed you can go is 30 times a second. So we can already hit the max speed. But I'm thinking something to improve, it would maybe be some way to to get it more consistent. Because right now, I mean, it's still there's a lot of factors, like when you have your thumb just on it, and like your thumb can get sweaty, your fingers could slip something like that. I mean, the only thing I can think of is just getting a more consistent method, but we've already hit the max speed, you could theoretically go. So
Nick VinZant 12:38
are you ready for some harder slash listener submitted questions? Oh,
Myles Miller 12:43
sure. Yeah.
Nick VinZant 12:44
What is your favorite block? What is your least favorite block? Okay,
Myles Miller 12:48
favorite block. I mean, this might be generic. The TPS, I like it because people might think, oh, okay, the TPS is like, whatever. It's like the face attaches or the long bar, but the TPS I like because there's a lot if you get down to like, a lot of theory, or like stuff in the game, the TPS forms a lot of patterns. And a lot of situations in the game. Like if you if you burn if, sorry, a burn is where you clear line without a Tetris. I'm just, if you take a line clearer. With the TPS, it can make the board change into a certain state. There's just a lot of different, I guess, combinations and things to use with the T. Least favorite. I mean, probably the Z piece, it's just a very jagged piece. I mean, everyone probably hates it. But especially in NES Tetris, it takes five movements to get to the left side. And it forms a jagged left side when it goes there. So it's just not a very good piece to have.
Nick VinZant 13:50
What is there a piece that's like, untapped potential? I
Myles Miller 13:56
think most pieces are the people who people use the pieces and pretty good ways. There's there's a lot of adjustments, I'd say adjustments are the biggest untapped potential thing. So normally, when you play Tetris, you have your current piece that's falling, right, and then it tells you what pieces coming next, right? And you can do something called an adjustment where you move the current piece to make space for the next piece. And that takes like reaction time or like planning. So that's probably the biggest potential because it takes a lot of thinking you got to think on the fly, okay? Okay. If I have my current piece falling, and I move it here, this next piece can go here, or if I move this piece here, this one can go there. So that's probably the biggest like skill is just being able to do that, like on the fly.
Nick VinZant 14:41
How good are you at moving? Does this skill translate into everyday life in any way?
Myles Miller 14:49
Yeah, this is a question. It's kind of people like to ask. I mean, I was moving out of my dorm actually, the other day, I thought I did a pretty good job. Like
Nick VinZant 14:58
I feel like you should be Be able to pack a U haul like nobody's business.
Myles Miller 15:02
Yeah, for sure. Just call me. I'll charge you a lot, but it'll be a really good job. It'll be, it'll
Nick VinZant 15:08
be done perfectly. What is your favorite variant of Tetris? What's your least favorite?
Myles Miller 15:15
Well, favorite is the classic Tetris. The original. Like, they got it right on the very first one. Okay, there doesn't need to be any other touches. least favorites. Um, there's a lot of favorites. This is or there's a lot of variants. There's this one called hat truss. Actually, now, I'm hatred, hatred. This is the worst one, because it's a tetris game, where it gives you the, the piece that you need the least. So if you need, if you don't need a Z piece, it's just gonna keep giving you like z pieces.
Nick VinZant 15:49
What's kind of the Holy Grail? Is there a holy grail of this left left? Like no one has been able to accomplish this. And yeah,
Myles Miller 15:57
100% Right now there's something called rebirth where you go so far into the game, you get through all the levels, it goes all the way back down to zero. You go through every single level, you get to level 255. And since the bit stores up to 256 levels, if you get up to 255 levels, it works back down to zero. So that's the thing that people are chasing right now. There was a video made recently on player who got a bunch of World Records and is chasing that right now. So yeah, it's honest, that's like a really huge topic in the Tetris community right now. This guy named Alex T, he's going for the rebirth. And there's been 1000s of people watching him live like 1000s. on Twitch, there was like, 3000 people on watching him on YouTube the other day. It's definitely a huge hot topic right now.
Nick VinZant 16:48
Is there like a country or a state in the United States that like they are the dominant Tetris? Tetris is biggest in these areas?
Myles Miller 16:56
Yeah, so for for country, definitely the United States because we play the America or Yeah, NTSC, which was released in America and Japan. So we play diversion. So obviously, America's played way more here. And as per se, it used to be California, but then it actually switched to Texas. The past couple years, the world champion, the two time world champion lives here. A World Champion last year used to live here. I live in Texas, there's a there's definitely a lot of really high level players in Texas. Okay,
Nick VinZant 17:34
so we're watching you play. Holy crap, man. You really do go. You really do go fast.
Myles Miller 17:43
This is the slow speed brow this is this is not even fast. This is the slowest speed. Not the slowest speed, but the slowest speed that I started on.
Nick VinZant 17:50
That's slow.
Myles Miller 17:52
Yeah, no, this is pretty slow. Yeah, I mean, not not much stroke. I'm looking at chat. I'm talking to people. It's pretty, pretty chill.
Nick VinZant 17:59
When you when you do this, though, are you actively like thinking about it? Or this is all just reflex right here?
Myles Miller 18:05
I mean, honestly, I've played so much that my mind just instantly knows what to do. I barely have to think about it. Like I just see a formation. I see the next piece. I'm like, Okay, this is clearly where it's gonna go. Sometimes I have to think a little bit more if I'm doing like an adjustment or something crazy. But just for casual play like this. I mean, I'm not really thinking that much. For
Nick VinZant 18:25
me like seeing it, I literally can't even see the piece and think of where it would go before you've already placed it.
Myles Miller 18:34
Yeah, I mean, that's, that's the biggest thing. I mean, just building up that intuition, making formations that are conducive to the pieces. You know, there's a lot of stuff that goes into it.
Nick VinZant 18:45
I see what you mean, what do you call what is that technique? Technique call
Myles Miller 18:49
that you're using? It's called rolling.
Nick VinZant 18:52
But is it overly? Like? Is it pretty specific? Or is it like you hit it and it just goes shooting off? Like, how do you control it when you're hitting it that fast.
Myles Miller 19:01
So yes, so the piece, move it however many spaces I want, depending on how many fingers I use, if I want to move it to spaces over, I'll just use two fingers to hit. If I want to move it three spaces over, I use three fingers and so on. And thankfully, the max amount of distance you need to move a piece is five spaces. So we have five fingers, so we can use all five fingers to move it all the way to the left side. That takes five space, five hits and all the way to the right side. The max it takes is four hits. Okay, I'm going to jump forward. This is when it gets to this is when it gets a little faster. This is the this is the transition when you hit level 19. This is when the speed goes up more. So this is just the second the second speed, it starts out at 18 Then it goes to 19. And then you get to 29 it'll get even faster than this.
Nick VinZant 19:49
I just can't even follow like by the time that I recognize what the piece even is. You've already placed it. So are you are you are you watching what's next? Or are you watching the piece that's actually coming out? Like, where are you looking?
Myles Miller 20:05
Basically, I'm just looking in the middle of my screen. And I'm looking at the next piece out of the corner of my eye. So I'm just using the shape and the color to kind of tell me what the next piece is. And I'm basically just looking in the middle of that screen kind of at the top of where the stack is. I'm not looking like at the bottom or in the middle, I'm just kind of looking at where most of the stack where all the blocks are kind of our
Nick VinZant 20:30
dude, how do your eyes feel? Don't you? I would feel like my eyes would start to like burn. Do you have time to blink? When
Myles Miller 20:37
this okay, this is not fast when you get to level 29. That is when you'll see people not blink for like a minute or two straight sometimes. I mean, it can get it can get intense on the level 29 speed.
Nick VinZant 20:49
Do you make it to level 29 on this one.
Myles Miller 20:51
So this is my title back to back, max out. I'm getting a million points. twice in a row back to back on the fastest speed. Yeah, you gotta
Nick VinZant 20:59
be kidding me.
Myles Miller 21:03
Yeah, bro, this is the fastest speed right here. This is where things get crazy. Okay,
Nick VinZant 21:07
is it going down that fast? Are you making it go down that fast?
Myles Miller 21:11
No, it goes down this fast. I'm not doing anything. It's just this is how fast it falls,
Nick VinZant 21:16
how fast it goes. And somebody can get to level 254 with this.
Myles Miller 21:20
Yeah, people, people can go. Like, if you're able to master this, it stays this speed. So all you have to do is just, you just got to be able to master it. If you can get good at the fast speed, then that's all you need. This
Nick VinZant 21:33
is something that fascinates me about life in the sense that like, okay, maybe you're not going to be the wealthiest man in the world or be a professional athlete. But you never know if you might be the best person in the world at Tetris. Like you never know, what secret hidden talents somebody might have. Are you good at other video games?
Myles Miller 21:52
Um, I'm pretty decent at shooters. I played those for a while, like CSGO valorant. I'm pretty good at that. But puzzle games, I would say are definitely my strong suit.
Nick VinZant 22:05
Can you just what am I like, what am I doing wrong with my strategy here?
Myles Miller 22:14
Am I mean? Like, this
Nick VinZant 22:16
is a good strategy, like, where do I where am I doing right? What am I doing wrong? Well, that was bad.
Myles Miller 22:21
Because you put the line piece all the way to laugh, and you should have put it in the middle. You don't want dependencies, you don't want places where you need a certain piece. You want your board to be flat, your board is very disconnected right now you have two columns or two wells, you have one in the middle. Okay, there you go. made it more connected. See, now the stack is all connected, and you only have a hole on the right side, which is what you want. connected
Nick VinZant 22:44
in the sense that like, Oh, you want to be able to just drop.
Myles Miller 22:47
You don't want to put it there. You should put that you should put that on the left. I should have. Yeah, because now you have a hole on the right side, we're only two pieces can fit there. And that as well. That move that made a two wide gap. There's only three pieces that can fit in a two wide gap clean there. So oh, I
Nick VinZant 23:08
trap myself.
Myles Miller 23:11
Yeah, so now Okay, that's a good piece for that. See, but you like needed a piece like that. You basically want to make your stack as flat as possible. So any piece could fit cleanly without making holes. So is that a good place for that? No, no, no, because that'll make a hole. You should put it all the way. Yeah, that's good. That's better. Yeah. You don't want to make any holes in the board. And that's good. Yeah. So yeah, you just want to try and keep. Now you're good. You can put it there. That's you can show this here. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. That's good.
Nick VinZant 23:42
This is actually really interesting to me. Like he's like, Oh, no, this is what you should actually, I guess I've never really thought about like a strategy for Tetris. I
Myles Miller 23:51
mean, a lot of this stuff, you kind of just comes with playing, you don't need to like, think about a lot. Do all these things. You can honestly just play for a while and you'll pick it up on your own.
Nick VinZant 24:00
Okay, well, what do I do here?
Myles Miller 24:02
This piece is pretty tricky. All the way to the right. Just put it all the way to the right over like that. Double flip it. Double flip it twice. Was that right? That's fine. That's fine. How about this? That's good. There. Yeah. Nice. Nice. You could put this one to the left. There, too. Over to over there. One more. One more. There you go. Yeah, that's good. And you can put that right there. Yeah. Nice. And put that up or to the left of it.
Nick VinZant 24:32
Oh, now I'm paying again.
Myles Miller 24:34
Notice standard up to the left of the line piece. Keep going left there. Yeah, you're good. Yeah, you're good. Yeah. And then here, you can just open that up again.
Nick VinZant 24:43
There you go. Oh, so you're trying not to trap yourself. Right. Yeah.
Myles Miller 24:49
So you see right now this board is pretty nice. I mean, you have a dependency on the left side, but that can be resolved with this next piece that's coming
Nick VinZant 24:55
up. Yeah, when you're talking about like, oh, no,
Myles Miller 24:59
but I'll do Left near good. Yeah. Okay,
Nick VinZant 25:01
so
Myles Miller 25:02
where I call it a good stack? That's that's looking
Nick VinZant 25:05
good because Oh, I see because I can just so all right on this grid, like when the Tetris piece starts getting how far up like in here? Like when do you start to get nervous like oh man, right now? Um,
Myles Miller 25:21
yeah, definitely when it gets to like above halfway up the board is when you start to sweat a little, that's when you're like, Okay, let's, let's bring it down a little this is this is too fast. It's not that it's too fast for your brain. It's just that the execution time is just last a lot of factors. Like you have to play fast. You have to be very exact with your placements. You just want to try and keep it as clean and not as high as possible.
Nick VinZant 25:47
So if that's if that's when it's kind of halfway filled up, when for you is it like Oh, it's over. I'm just trying to hold on. Like I can't save this at the end is coming? Well, for
Myles Miller 25:59
me personally, it's never over until it says it says try again. There's always a way out if you if you can figure it out, or if you're fast enough. There's a there's a term actually, I got I got so good at surviving situations that so a dig is when you clear lines like you survive, you do a dig like you clear lines you survive. There's a thing called a miles dig, which is where you do a very high up extreme dig, and you survive and that was just coined after me because I used to be really good. I still am really good at surviving those kinds of situations. Then,
Nick VinZant 26:39
Hey, man, if nothing else, you have a terminology named after you attach us.
Myles Miller 26:45
Yeah.
Nick VinZant 26:49
So that's pretty much all the questions I got. Is there anything that you think we missed? Or how can people kind of follow you learn more about Tetris? That kind of stuff?
Myles Miller 26:58
Yeah, um, I stream Tetris live on on Twitch miles the great is my link there also YouTube. I'm on tick tock, as well, miles TG, and you can watch people chase for rebirth and chase for high scores all on Twitch and YouTube. And of course, the World Championship is in one month. Do you want to watch the World Championship? It's happening in a month. So happening California can see it all on classic Tetris.
Nick VinZant 27:25
Can anybody make a living off this?
Myles Miller 27:27
I'm living? I mean, right now, probably not. But maybe in the future. The only person that really made a living was Jonas Neubauer. He was a seven time world champion. He streamed on Twitch for his job, but he was the seventh time world champion. So you have to be back. Good to make it your job.
Nick VinZant 27:47
I want to thank miles so much for joining us if you want to connect with him. We have linked to him on our social media sites. We're Profoundly Pointless on tik, Tok, Instagram, and YouTube. And we've also included his information in the episode description. If you want to see some of the things that we talked about, and how detailed his strategy is. It's amazing to watch a professional Tetris player play Tetris. It's a whole nother world. So if you want to see that the YouTube version of this interview will be live on May 16. At 12:30pm Pacific, okay. Now, let's bring in John Shaw, if you had to describe a random person, what characteristic would you have the most trouble describing? Like someone's age, their weight, their height, what they look like?
John Shull 28:47
Probably their weight, I would think, because I think there's a lot of people would fall into the average category, but I don't really even know what average is anymore.
Nick VinZant 28:56
For me, it's people's ages. I'm terrible at telling how old somebody is. The reason that I thought this up is because I had to call the cops on somebody. And they were dispatcher was like, what do they look like? And I couldn't describe, like, I don't know a person.
John Shull 29:14
I mean, are you going to tell the story? Can you tell us? What prompted it?
Nick VinZant 29:18
It's not it's not really very interesting. Basically, there was somebody that I don't think had someplace to live and was probably on a lot of drugs, or had something else going on. And they were kind of having like, it was pretty bad. Like, oh, wow, you got to call the cops for that one. But they asked me to describe it. And I couldn't describe them in any way that was anyway helpful.
John Shull 29:38
That's interesting. I also had a run in with the law, but mine was, Oh,
Nick VinZant 29:42
what did you do? Right? Is this turning into the running break? Now I was running into the law podcast,
John Shull 29:48
wasn't anything serious. I got sideswiped, driving and the person who hit me I was fine. Here's how much damage I had on my car. I was is willing to just exchange information and keep moving. And this person was very upset and tried to, I mean, was very upset with me and wanted to wait for police.
Nick VinZant 30:12
Oh, so they they thought it was your fault.
John Shull 30:16
It clearly wasn't though, like not even close to being my fault, but this person was on I think
Nick VinZant 30:21
that we need to be the judge of whose fault it really is. Because quite frankly, John, you have a tendency of not really taking blame for things that actually are your fault. Like, oh, no, it's not really my Yeah, it kind of comes out. Oh, yeah, it's kind of your fault. So let us I will decide, I will be the judge. Okay, make
John Shull 30:40
sure. I want to make this very simple, very fast. So I don't bore anybody. It was two lanes in each direction. Okay. And I was slowing up. I was I was a third car from a light, red light, I was approaching a red light, okay. And I went past this person who was trying to make a left hand turn into my direction of traffic, I was heading west. I saw them kind of creep out. And I said, Oh, that's kind of funny. Like, there was no where to go, oh, you know, we're in bumper to bumper traffic. And next thing I know the persons up next to me. And I you know, you know, when you've been hit, and I'm like, well, they just hit me. So now I'm just like, what the f so anyway, so I let them in. Even though like they were never next to me, that's the thing. She was never next to my car. I was never gonna let her in. She like maybe didn't get let in behind me and then try to force in her way.
Nick VinZant 31:38
Oh, I always wonder how far somebody's willing to go with that. So what you guys were going the same direction. You were trying she was trying to go the same direction she was she was turning in front of you
John Shull 31:49
know, she was turning to go the same direction as as, as I was. But there was no, you know, it's a half construction zone half you know, regular lane. So like it was bumped up. I was 830 in the morning. There was nowhere to go. Why
Nick VinZant 32:03
didn't you just let her in? Why didn't you be a good citizen and let somebody in? Because
John Shull 32:08
she never got she was never next to me. She was never in front of me. I think the car behind me what? Let her in. So she just darted for it and started hitting the back of my car then just kept moving forward.
Nick VinZant 32:18
Oh, yeah, that's 100% her fault. Okay. I
John Shull 32:22
know is the most disheartening part, and I'm not taking anything away from law enforcement. But the cop who got there wanted nothing to do with anything. He didn't want to be there. And he comes up to me after talking to her and goes yeah, I'm not gonna give either of you a ticket. And I'm like, either of us. And I literally I pointed the damage on my car. Now I look at like, how did I did it anyways?
Nick VinZant 32:45
I feel like the fact that the police officer said he wasn't going to write either of you a ticket. No, it makes it seem like there was a little more to the story that you're not telling us and that you may be somewhat at fault, but he just didn't want to deal with it. So in conclusion, I'm gonna go have to say it's probably 50% year full.
John Shull 33:01
Not even close to I was No, not at all not even I know I'm not even going to fight for it. That's not even worth it to fight for it. I'll put it that way. Hmm.
Nick VinZant 33:10
Now that's that's basically admitting that you're wrong. Because you don't have a case like I'm not going to make a case because you don't have a case trying to get you as riled up about this as possible.
John Shull 33:19
I'm not I just I can't be it was just some stupid.
Nick VinZant 33:23
Okay. All right. Well, glad you're okay. How's your back
John Shull 33:27
I did my back was fine until I started doing stuff my wife
Nick VinZant 33:31
claim all kinds of stuff, man.
John Shull 33:35
I could have but I'm not I'm not the first I'm not that kind of person. And I really just as sad as it sounds, I really just wanted to get to work. I didn't want to you know,
Nick VinZant 33:44
okay, but if it wasn't a person and it was like a company, would you sue the company? No, I'm not imagine it's FedEx. Like FedEx just ran into your car you sue in FedEx?
John Shull 33:56
I mean, it would have to depend I mean, if there was, I mean, if I was seriously injured, or if there was like with my car, one exact
Nick VinZant 34:03
thing, same exact thing. If it's a big company or you like John's about to get paid. Donald
John Shull 34:08
Trump could run into me doing that and I wouldn't want to sue him like it was really not that big of a deal to me at all.
Nick VinZant 34:15
Yeah, I've kind of entered that phase of life to where like the hassle isn't worth the money. I did pull the audience 52% of people said they had we would struggle the most with facial features 27% said age 6% said height 15% said Wait,
John Shull 34:35
see I feel like facial expressions expressions or features are kind of easy because usually somebody has something distinctive like for you I would say little eyebrows and bright blue eyes.
Nick VinZant 34:48
Oh, I don't I don't know if the little is little eyebrows a compliment or an insult? Are you joking? My eyebrows are you like Oh, I wish I had that guys.
John Shull 34:55
I know dude, I could like I can make a blanket out of my fucking eye. eyebrows look at those things.
Nick VinZant 35:01
Oh, I never really think about my eyebrows. That's a part of my face that I don't think about whatsoever.
John Shull 35:07
I would be able to describe your pretty well, I think, Oh,
Nick VinZant 35:12
I couldn't describe anybody. Oh, I couldn't. Okay, I'm gonna close my eyes and try to describe you. You just looked at me. I know. This is how bad I am. I don't know if I can still do it. Okay, so particular pretend you're a police officer. And you're asking me what the criminal who caused an accident looked like? Sir,
John Shull 35:34
do you? Do you remember the color of his eyes?
Nick VinZant 35:39
They were brown eyes. Um That's the only facial feature of yours that I can describe. I couldn't describe your face in any way. Like he had a nose. He had a chin. I have big ears, lips. None of that even registers in my brain. Whether like when it comes to facial features, with people with their big or their small, none of those things even register in my brain. Like I can tell if someone's like, Oh, they're a good look. A good looking person. I'm not a good looking person, average looking person. But I'd none of the characteristics of someone's face. Register in my brain. You do have a flavor saver right now. Which is ridiculous. And a little mustache. Like you've just turned 15 You're like, Dad, I've got facial hair. But you know,
John Shull 36:31
I once I once dated a girl who said that I should keep the flavor saver. She was a fan of it. So blue. Yeah.
Nick VinZant 36:39
How many women have you dated that we're not just because you get one compliment just because one person says something. If you're gonna take it as one person said something so that means something then you also have to take it that everybody who didn't say something was against it.
John Shull 36:54
I mean, probably every other I mean it look, it does look terrible, and it will be shaved off today. But I mean, to be honest with you, not that anybody cares. But my mustache in my flavor saver. Literally the only thing that grows fastly on my face.
Nick VinZant 37:07
I can only grow neck stuff. Alright,
John Shull 37:11
let's start with sin a row lands. Andre De Hey, Zeus. Dylan Re. Mi ha goodish. I may have just made up that last name. I'm probably not correct. And how you say that? Nate Joseph, Huey Lewis. And the news.
Nick VinZant 37:32
The news in there? No, I
John Shull 37:34
added that last part. Okay.
Nick VinZant 37:37
That's no way his name is really here. But there has to be some Huey Lewis guy, but they hate it. Oh, yeah. I'd hate to be named after a famous thing. Actually, I was named after Nickelodeon. Nickelodeon was a big deal when I was growing up and people were constantly like, Nickelodeon.
John Shull 37:52
No, no, you're that for you. Were you were not named after Nickelodeon. No,
Nick VinZant 37:57
I wasn't. But Nickelodeon was a big deal when I was in school. And so then everybody would constantly be like Nickelodeon, like, good ones once for kids.
John Shull 38:06
Anyways, Shane, Michael Lysa, Cassetti, Quinton McBride, and Chris version. All real names, I swear. Okay. So we're gonna do something a little different again, I think, Oh, why not? Why is Mizel just keep switching it up here. So this kind of goes along with what we had last week, I figured to expand just a tiny bit on it. So I picked out six words that either I made up or they're actual words, and I just want you to tell me if they're real words. them up or not. So we're gonna start here with this one. caddywhompus
Nick VinZant 38:46
Yeah, it's a real world. I've heard that before. I don't know what it is. But it's a real shame since Christ. I
John Shull 38:51
mean, I'd never heard of it before. Apparently, it means disarray or disorder.
Nick VinZant 38:59
Oh, like a kerfluffle?
John Shull 39:04
Yes. If you want me to use in a sentence, Tyler slept with wet hair and woke up with her bangs all in caddywhompus.
Nick VinZant 39:13
I can bring that back. I will give you a whether or not this word should be used more or not used at all. I've said caddywhompus is okay. But nobody would think it's like a real nobody would think it's like an actual defined event.
John Shull 39:26
It still doesn't sound right. I don't know how that's actually like a real word or
Nick VinZant 39:31
two words a word if you think about it, right? Like who's policing all of this? Who gets to decide if something's a word or not anything can be a word. RES is a word. We just made that up. We've just made all the words up. All right, well, let's get enough people saying it and it's a word.
John Shull 39:48
Stupid or
Nick VinZant 39:50
oh, I don't think that's a word. That is not a word. More stupid. It's like funner it's not a word. But if we had a linguist on this show A long time ago now maybe like a year ago, and one of his biggest things was like, Look, it really doesn't matter if it's grammatically correct or language correct or not. If somebody understands what you mean, you have communicated effectively spaghettification
John Shull 40:12
Yes, just what? Yes, that's a word. That is a word spaghettification the process by which objects are compressed horizontally until you log the Japes or you could just say we're making spaghetti. But
Nick VinZant 40:34
then is there other kinds? Is there like pacification? Linguini edification? What if it's like the bowtie pasta? Does that spaghettification if you make it like that, or is that just making pasta? Or is it a bow tie if occasion? I mean, forgetting get singled out.
John Shull 40:50
I understand what you're saying by saying bow tie. furcation ah, are here's one that got me laughing snarly. gosta.
Nick VinZant 41:02
Well, yeah, I'm gonna say that that's a word. It is not a word. It's not a word. Then how did he get you laughing? That's the reason that I went with it a word is because you obviously have heard it somewhere. No, I
John Shull 41:14
just read it and I snarly gosta
Nick VinZant 41:17
it's written how is it not a word? If it's written down somewhere?
John Shull 41:21
It's not a it's not a word. According to
Nick VinZant 41:24
Mary's written down.
John Shull 41:27
This, don't ask questions. I don't know. I
Nick VinZant 41:29
just want to know where did you read it at? I just want I want details on what is happening.
John Shull 41:34
This was from a list. Hold on, I say these things. writing, writing cooperative.com. If you want to know, oh,
Nick VinZant 41:44
well, what was the use of the word snarling?
John Shull 41:49
What is it? It's just not a word. It's not a gospel. But
Nick VinZant 41:52
then why does it exist? If it's not a word, right, and somebody write it down?
John Shull 41:57
I don't know. I don't have that answer. What's
Nick VinZant 41:59
the word? I'm gonna look it up. I'm gonna look it up.
John Shull 42:02
This is s and OLLYSNOLLYG.
Nick VinZant 42:06
O S T E R. G o s t er. Sonali Geister. A shoot on principle person, especially a politician. It's a word. It is a word.
John Shull 42:21
Not according to this list.
Nick VinZant 42:25
It's a word. It's on dictionary.com. It has a definition. It's a word. This is what I was getting at is like if it's not a word. Why would it be down? If you read this list correctly?
John Shull 42:38
It's not a word. It is a word looking at a little neighbor created but it's fun. It's a word. Sure. I got to
Nick VinZant 42:45
write in Merriam Webster's Dictionary snarly? gosta definition and meaning dictionary.com definition in meaning a clever unscrupulous person usually applied to politicians. It's in Wikipedia.
John Shull 43:02
See here. This says Merriam Webster, snarly? gosta, a word which means a shrewd and unprincipled person was removed from our dictionary.
Nick VinZant 43:15
But it's still a word. It was a word. You unmake a word?
John Shull 43:20
Oh my god, but it's not a real word anymore.
Nick VinZant 43:23
But it was.
John Shull 43:24
Let's move on.
Nick VinZant 43:27
I know when I'm on dictionary.com Let's see what dictionary.com has to say. Mr. It's a German of German origin. A mid 19th century word. Apparently has been used much more. I'm looking at the use over time of snarly gosta, which skyrocketed in the early 1900s 1950. And then again in 2020. So it's making a pretty big comeback.
John Shull 43:54
Well, it's not a word. So it is a word. Not it's not word.
Nick VinZant 44:01
Right. If the dictionary says it's a word, it's you're right. You're right. Why would the dictionary because
John Shull 44:07
I just read you from posts from Merriam Webster that it was removed. So just
Nick VinZant 44:11
removed from the dictionary but not removed from being a word. Different stuff still a word?
John Shull 44:19
Go fuck yourself. How about that? That's the sentence is but as it as it was a words or no? Well, it's
Nick VinZant 44:25
a sentence.
John Shull 44:26
I'm done. Let's move on to the top five. I'll come up with something better next time.
Nick VinZant 44:33
How many? How many more do you have? How many more do you have?
John Shull 44:36
Let's move on to
Nick VinZant 44:37
the are you going to take your ball and go home?
John Shull 44:39
I already have but I'm back but I'm just threw that ball away.
Nick VinZant 44:43
Well, what are the words now? I'm interested. You had six words how many? I'm not through
John Shull 44:48
four. But you took up you took up the time with the last two fucking words. Go and fuck yourself.
Nick VinZant 44:56
It's three words. I
John Shull 44:58
can't wait for that transcription Should be fun to read.
Nick VinZant 45:02
Why can't you just tell me what the other two words were? I'm sorry, I ruined your game.
John Shull 45:06
But let's just keep it I mean, let's just keep moving on.
Unknown Speaker 45:08
Okay. All right. Adventure.
John Shull 45:11
Rat rat round.
Nick VinZant 45:15
What is our top five now? Oh, top five things we don't like to hear people talk about not things that we don't like to talk about. But things we don't like to hear other people talk about. What's your number five? Money? Oh, yeah, I need money.
John Shull 45:35
I don't care. You know, I just I just don't care. I don't really want to talk to you about my money. I don't want to hear you talk about your money. I don't want to hear you give me advice about money. Like, I don't want to talk about it. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 45:49
I would agree with that money is different. Like, I don't really want to hear people talk about money. Because it's just always an awkward conversation, because it's either about how somebody has so much so much. And they want to tell you about it, or they're trying to get you to buy
John Shull 46:03
something. So yeah, that's true, too.
Nick VinZant 46:06
Do you feel like you've ever gotten good financial advice from anyone?
John Shull 46:12
No, actually, never. I mean, no, because it's either it's either the left or the right. It's either save or just spend it. I've never gotten anybody that's been like, hey, let's do this, this and this, was it because in five years that's going to be worth that? No. So
Nick VinZant 46:30
money might be one of the most ubiquitous things in society that none of us know anything about. Like it runs all of society. And really, nobody knows anything about how it's going to work. Even like the people who are support like the Fed or whatever, like the finance wizards. Like they can't predict the stock market, either.
John Shull 46:52
They may be wrong or right. I feel like that is pure luck in the money game when it comes to that kind of stuff.
Nick VinZant 46:58
My number five is food. I don't like to hear people talk about food, because then it just makes me hungry.
John Shull 47:06
Yeah, I mean, I'm okay. That's actually probably one of the things that I like conversing with people about is food. I like to get ideas. I like to hear people talk about what they like, Amaro that, oh, I
Nick VinZant 47:17
just like if I hear people talking about foods like well, I just want the food. I don't want to hear you talk about it.
John Shull 47:24
It's fair to say number four. I don't really have any interest in hearing people tell me about how great their family is.
Nick VinZant 47:33
Oh, I like hearing about people's I like I like listening to people talk about their families. I don't that's that's that's like juice. That's like gossip, because you're gonna be they're gonna let something slip that tells the real story.
John Shull 47:45
Like, I'm fine if I ask right. But I just don't want you to just start going off about, you know, my aunt Carla and my Uncle Jim and my dad and my brother. Like, I didn't ask, I didn't ask for that. Like, I don't I don't want to hear about them. I have
Nick VinZant 48:02
both an aunt Carla and an Uncle Jim. By the way.
John Shull 48:06
I know I hung out with him last weekend. I
Nick VinZant 48:09
have actually an Uncle Jim. I don't have an aunt Carla. I don't know. No. Karla. Uncle Jim. Shout out to Uncle Jim. I will telling me about natural golf all the time. Everybody's got something that they always want to tell you about. And I generally just have no interest in whatever that one thing is that somebody wants to tell me about?
John Shull 48:30
Formula One, the Detroit Tigers wrestling?
Nick VinZant 48:36
Can you just admit that formula one isn't the latest iteration of soccer, another sport from overseas that they everybody's like, it's the next big it's not? It's not America decided about what our sports are that we care about a long time ago. And we're not changing that the only change is potentially pickleball. That's the only possible change that we will add to our sports lexicon. We don't care about soccer. We don't care about Formula One. We don't.
John Shull 49:02
I can tell you that in less than two years, you will see a country become soccer crazy. And you will see nothing that you ever seen before when this entire country goes into the World Cup. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 49:18
but is the United States even going to make it into the World Cup?
John Shull 49:21
Like, really?
Nick VinZant 49:22
We're going to care about all the money that's coming in from the World Cup and we're going to do about it because like that's what we do. We obsess over whatever's going on in the moment, like we just did with the solar storm. But we're still we're gonna go right back to not caring afterwards. That
John Shull 49:35
was the most on inspiring thing I think I've seen since the last lunar bullshit that happened with the Eclipse. Wow.
Nick VinZant 49:47
I guess you don't hear and I guess you're just not impressed by the fundamental aspects of our universe. No,
John Shull 49:53
because for one, I couldn't see it. And then even when I took a picture of the sky, I could barely see You know what, I'm gonna blame Detroit for that. It's Detroit's fault.
Nick VinZant 50:03
It is Detroit's fault. We agree on that it is Detroit's fault. My number four is any large group conversation. If there's more than five people talking about something I don't want to hear. I can't stand listening to big group conversations. They're awful.
John Shull 50:18
Would you say in a conversation? Are you are you like, say it's a group conversation? Are you the center of attention? Are you the guy that doesn't really get involved? Are you the speaker one sentence and not talk for another 10 minutes person? Hmm.
Nick VinZant 50:35
I can go anyway, I wouldn't say that I generally have like an established position in a conversation. I can be any of those I can be kind of left out of the conversation, I can be the center of attention, I can have something to say. Or I can not talk at all. I can I generally will not not talk at all. I would say I'm probably like, if there's five people, I'm usually going to be the third most talkative person. Okay, that's pretty much yourself.
John Shull 51:05
I'd be honest, I'm like the out of five. I'm probably like number four or five. I don't really like to jump in and give my opinions on things. I kind of just sit there and listen. Because I feel like if I do jump in, you'll just get attacked. You know what I mean?
Nick VinZant 51:20
Oh, yeah, that's how it goes. I would put You is number one or number two in the most talkative though. You usually involved in a conversation? More Yeah, than I would be. I feel like
John Shull 51:33
my number three, my number three. I don't like to hear people talk about them being narcissistic. I don't like to hear people talk about themselves. Oh,
Nick VinZant 51:43
that's higher on my list.
John Shull 51:49
Okay. I mean, you know, one of the one of the I mean, the biggest thing to me is, you know, I don't want to hear that you're 21 years old, and you don't have a family. And you spend eight hours at the gym before you come into work. And you're having a protein shake. While I'm sitting there with my cup of coffee having a breakfast sandwich. Like we
Nick VinZant 52:07
used to give Oh, sorry, I interrupt. No, no, go ahead. No, no, I was writing something down. I wasn't listening to your mentor your sentence. I was trying to write something down before I finished the thought. But you finish too quickly. That's the second time in a row that you've like, finished saying something or I've been doing something else. And I haven't been able to snap back to attention in time to repeat what you are doing.
John Shull 52:28
You better snap back to attention because things go pretty quick around here. You're
Nick VinZant 52:31
moving, huh? My number three and number two are two things that we've talked about already. So my number three is money. My number two is people talking about themselves. Where
John Shull 52:41
are you going to say that you think our number ones are the same?
Nick VinZant 52:45
I don't think so. Yeah, I'm, I'm,
John Shull 52:47
I don't think so at all I would be I'll give you $5 If yours is even in the same ballpark as mine. Okay, what's your number one? Well, my number two, it's not even though my number one is really I mean, my number two is isn't all that great. But it's just people who talk about their homes. And you know, how great their homes are and blah, blah, blah, just I just don't care. Like I just great. Like, you know, my wife was spent hours on Zillow hours. And I'm excited. I'm like, That's great. Like, we're not going to do that. But that's great. Hmm.
Nick VinZant 53:24
I sense a little bit of jealousy.
John Shull 53:26
By the way I have used we talked about my basement yet.
Nick VinZant 53:29
That's what I was going to say you're the reason you don't want to hear this is because you put all this time and effort into your basement and nobody wants to talk about your basement. She says jealousy this is you projecting. No it's not no. We will move on with Boozman that is your basement finished?
John Shull 53:45
Yes.
Nick VinZant 53:47
Good. Good. All right. Well, number one.
John Shull 53:51
My number one is people who talk about their their former sports careers.
Nick VinZant 53:57
Oh, yeah. Glory Days conversations are the worst. Yeah, that's a good one.
John Shull 54:06
Yeah, and then and then I love the people who are older who act like they know everything who didn't play pass T ball, or midgets you know, or something like that. That
Nick VinZant 54:18
would be what I would say is probably my real number one is any kind of fake expertise conversation in which somebody who is not actually an expert in something is talking about how much they know about something. I can't stand listening to people talk about sports. If you're not if you were that good, you'd be coaching or playing like all the coach should have done this yet because you know more than the guy who does this professionally, because you sat the bench in high school. So you're suddenly an expert on the jet sweep is like you should have done there. You should have rented a dress. Wait. You got me my freshman year?
John Shull 54:57
Yeah, no, I mean, there's so money. You know, the the odds on favorite to me is that the guy was like, Yeah, I scored a touchdown in high school. Just one though. And it was by luck. We were playing the blind team, they couldn't even see me. They
Nick VinZant 55:12
probably hear him talking about it all these years later. My number one is dogs and children. I like my dogs, and I love my children, but I don't care about your dog or your children. I don't want to talk to you about your dog or your children. Nobody should be talking about their dog or children. Unless it's a conversation about like, oh, what should I do in this situation? No one cares about your dog or your kids accomplishments?
John Shull 55:35
Yeah, I mean, da animals are kind of like the house thing to me. Like, I just, I don't care to be honest. Children, I'm okay with, you kind of you kind of get to see different sides of people when they talk about their children. A lot of them a lot of people seem to light up. So I'm okay with children.
Nick VinZant 55:54
Okay, you're a little bit softer than I am. Which in your on? Do you have? What's your honorable mention?
John Shull 56:01
Um, I don't really have much. the only the only thing I had, what was really just just people, like you said, I didn't write it down as eloquently as that. But fake expertise. You know, just especially about jobs, like about maybe, maybe something that like I do professionally where someone that has no idea will say, you know, well, I saw, I saw an ABC News. And this is that and that. And I'm like, dude, like, I work in the news industry. Like, I could probably tell you what happened. I have
Nick VinZant 56:33
the weather. I don't like to listen to people talk about weather, because to me, that means that the conversation is basically at an end. And now is the awkward part about like, Well, what do we do next? How do we end this conversation? Once we switch into the weather conversation, reality TV, I don't like to hear people talk about reality TV, I don't care at all about reality TV. That's a good one. I don't mind actually listening to conversations about politics or religion. Because I find that that's a really great way to kind of find out if somebody's an idiot. We've kind of shifted into the realm of whatever somebody's beliefs are, if they're pretty extreme, they're much more comfortable giving those out. And you can find out pretty quickly, like, Oh, you're an idiot.
John Shull 57:20
I mean, I'm okay. You know, I'm not I'm not one for not listening. But it's not something that I I'm gonna raise my hand to listen to someone talk about it. That's for sure. No,
Nick VinZant 57:30
I agree with that. You got to think of celebrities. I don't generally like to listen to celebrity talk, just just talking about celebrities. I don't mind talking about the things that they do in terms of the art that they create. But I don't like to hear about like them.
John Shull 57:48
I guess I'll take back that Swifty badge. I got you then.
Nick VinZant 57:51
Oh, how much did you pay for it? Did you get the new Arias one? Or did you get the other one? though? You don't want to talk about it. What I do want to talk about is the two other words. Do you want to tell me what where are they?
John Shull 58:01
Goodbye, Nick.
Nick VinZant 58:04
Okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I'm running out of breath. But before I do, I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. It really helps us out. We really appreciate it. And let us know what you think are some of the things that you just don't want to hear people talk about, like I just don't want to listen to that. Might be this show. Might be some of the things on the show, but let us know what you think.
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