Hobbyhorse World Champion Rosie Mulari
Rosie Mulari is the Queen of Hobbyhorsing. She’s won over 300 competitions and is one of the sport’s most popular athletes. We talk the ins and outs of riding a Hobbyhorse, the craft behind making a Hobbyhorse and why the sport is skyrocketing in popularity. Then, it’s Postcards vs. Magnets as we countdown the Top 5 Worst Travel Souvenirs.
Rosie Mulari: 01:24
Pointless: 22:03
Top 5 Worst Souvenirs: 44:50
Interview with Hobbyhorse World Champion Rosie Mulari
Nick VinZant 0:00
Nick, welcome to profoundly pointless. My name is Nick vinzant Coming up in this episode, hobby horsing and bad souvenirs.
Rosie Mulari 0:22
When I go to competition, I have a specific goal that I need to make, and usually that is to win. And I'm a 300 time winner in dressage, it takes 22 hours to complete a horse. So it's not definitely that you just throw together, oh yeah, it makes everything difficult. My biggest horse, which I have, which is also my main horse, which has been with me for four years, he weighs seven and a half pounds.
Nick VinZant 0:53
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So I want to get right to our first guest, because she has won over 300 events in her sport. This is hobby horse world champion, Rosie Mullery. What is hobbyhorsing?
Rosie Mulari 1:25
So hobbyhorsing is a sport which includes hobby horses which are like these plush horses on a stick. Usually they're homemade, completely hand sewn. Hobby horse like plushies, which we connect to a stick, and then we ride them. And it might include jumping or dressage or Western, and it has many sides to it, but as short as I can say, it's a sport that involves us riding a hobby horse.
Nick VinZant 1:56
Where did it kind of come from?
Rosie Mulari 1:58
It originated in Finland, and nobody knows how it was, like invented actually.
Nick VinZant 2:04
How did you get into it? What brought you to it?
Rosie Mulari 2:07
It's a funny story. I've been riding real horses since I was six years old or seven years old. I started riding like every week, but horses have been with me for my whole entire life, like real horses. And we had this camp each summer until I was 14. And the last day we were having the camp, we had this little competition with the horses. We had to do a course that involved jumping and going over and under things and like, like, different tasks that we had to do, and I decided that maybe I should try that in real life, because I don't have my own horse. I couldn't ride the course with a real horse. So somehow I took my mother's old sock, filled it up with newspaper, put on some ears and nostrils and like, stick attached to it, and then wrote the course that I was supposed to remember on my backyard. And then a few moments back, like, when I remembered the course, I was like, Hey, this is actually kind of fun. And then a few weeks, like, went by and I was still doing that. And then I was like, Okay, this is my thing. Now, this is really good. And then I realized that there's actually a community. There's people who are doing this as well. And it just started. It was 2014 when I started my hobby horse journey. It
Nick VinZant 3:36
seems a little different. It seems a little different, right? Like, I guess the question that I think would eventually like, Okay, well, well, why? You know? Because when I see it, I'm like, Okay, well, why not just ride a real horse? Why not just do something else? Like, why do people kind of, why are they drawn to this?
Rosie Mulari 3:53
People usually ask that, why don't you ride a real horse? But it's a fact that over 99% of hobby horse destroyed real horses too. But it's it's a completely different thing. It involves different muscles. It isn't like replacing real horses. If you know what I mean, people call us sometimes they call us poor, or you cannot afford a real horse if you're hobbyhorsing. But it's people don't understand that it's a completely different thing than riding real horses, and it's not a replacement for them. It's just a completely different hobby that we enjoy
Nick VinZant 4:31
doing. My personal thing is, do whatever you want. If it makes it happy, leave people alone. Do whatever you want. Does it bother people? Does it bother people in the community that other people might be kind of like, oh my gosh, what are these people doing?
Rosie Mulari 4:46
I mean, especially when it comes to younger people, they are somehow intimidated by that, and they might even quake because of the hate. But myself, I've just grown to be like, the badass OF THE. Community, and I don't honestly care what people think about me, I'm just like, cool if you're replaying my content, and if you're hating and commenting on my posts and hating there, they're just giving me money like they're I always answer to the hate comments like, Thank you for the lunch money. Because of you, I can now order my favorite foods and I don't really care about sadly, it does affect many people in the community that people are so, like, hostile towards us. So, yeah, it does, like, I think that the community has grown in the sense of, like, not giving any F's whatsoever. But before it was even like, worse,
Nick VinZant 5:42
I could see that, right? Like, it's, it's, it's hard to do something until it becomes cool, slash popular, right? Yeah, you think, do you think that the sport can get past that?
Rosie Mulari 5:52
I definitely think so. Yeah, like, it's now, like, now that it's become more like, popular in social media, in TV and newspapers, and like overall, in real life. And the amount of hobbyhorse people have has been growing, especially this year. It's been like I've seen so many new hobbies entering to the scene. But now that I think that it's in the like place that is becoming cool because of, especially in Finland, the people are understanding, what is it about? Because I've been talking to them so so long and so heartfelt. So
Nick VinZant 6:31
the hobby horses themselves are these kind of things that people just throw together, like, no, no, no. These are taken care of. These are people's babies.
Rosie Mulari 6:39
These are like homemade many people produce them at their own home, and it involves a lot of work. I myself, I'm an entrepreneur in hobby horse making and making camps. So it takes 22 hours to complete a horse. So it's not definitely that you just throw together. It's a sports equipment, and it needs much care. Like, when you go outside and it's a little bit of, like, rain going down, usually, like, we put on some blankets so it doesn't get wet. And then when it gets wet and it's like, a little bit dirty, we brush them off. And we don't just think it's a real horse. Like, you know, those football players and hockey players have their precious like ice skates or their lucky shirts. It's almost the same thing. Like, you cannot play play football without a ball. So it's the same thing that you cannot do hobbyhorsing Without a hobbyhorse. So when you look
Nick VinZant 7:37
at the competitions, like, how is the competition? Judge? Like, what are, what are the criteria? Kind of, there's
Rosie Mulari 7:43
many parts to hobbyhorse thing, jumping, dressage and Western. And then there's like shows for hobby horses, on which one is the most like, it has the cleanest sewing, like marks, and which one is the most like, most carefully made, basically. But in dressage, which I specialize in, they usually think that, like, like, when the movement is like, ergonomical and it's not hurting you, but it needs to be elegant high like, it has to look like there's some work involved, and it has to look like a real horse movement. And usually it's like it looks light, it's supple, it's ergonomical for your body so it doesn't hurt. It looks easy, like in the dressage scene. Usually the goal is to make it look as easy as possible, because then you are doing it like correctly, and then people can hate on us, like, oh, that's looks so easy, but it isn't. It's it requires so much work. But in jumping, um, there are two specific things you can judge. There's time, which is like, who goes over the most jumps? Like the most there are, like, 12 jumps in one course, who goes over them the most quickly without, like, falling down or the obstacles not falling down. And then there's style which is like, which looks the most efficient and the most like, supple and easy for your body to do, but you still get over everything. And in western, it's, I don't really know much about that scene, but it's usually like, it looks relaxed, it looks easy, and then how you do the movements it, it just needs to be looking as easy as possible. That's the like main point in every part of like, how you're working out and training and writing,
Nick VinZant 9:40
how competitive is it? Is it super kind of a competitive thing, or is it more like we're having a competition, but this is more like kind of getting everybody together, so
Rosie Mulari 9:48
it can be both. For many people. I myself, I'm a really competitive person, and when I go to a competition, I have a specific goal that I need to make. Week, and usually that is to win. And I'm a 300 time winner in dressage, which is a lot of trophies, and I also have the world's first American Championship in dressage. But there are people who are just like because there are a lot of different things just in a competition. There are sales, tables, food, people, friends you haven't seen in years, free riding. Other people are doing amazing, like, turns when they're competing. So it's a little bit of both. It depends on the person, but overall, it's pretty competitive, and people are training for hours and hours and hours for one competition.
Nick VinZant 10:38
Can you make money off of it? Like, can, if you win the competition, can you make some money? Um, not,
Rosie Mulari 10:44
usually, like, from the competitions, but there are many, many competitions who have gift cards for presents, or they're like, prizes, and of course, like, if you're doing good, you get like, offers and deals and sponsorships.
Nick VinZant 11:03
Can you see your Instagram page?
Rosie Mulari 11:05
Oh, yeah. So
Nick VinZant 11:07
what are we watching here? Like, what's kind of going on? So this
Rosie Mulari 11:12
video is me on my weekly training session. I do a few of these a week, besides going to the gym and walking and running and swimming I work out every day. Here you see a few of the movements that we have in dressage. This is like medium trot I'm doing right now. And in the beginning there was passage and pF, which are the higher level movements. So this is just me training normally. In the My weekly trainings, these usually look almost the same. When I'm riding a hobby horse. I hobby horse train four to three times a week, and then I go to the gym every day besides Sunday, that's my rest day. I
Nick VinZant 11:58
mean, it is does look physically hard like anybody's ever done that, like, oh, that's kind of tiring.
Rosie Mulari 12:02
It requires very much muscle. The first year that I started hobbyhursing, like, for real, it was 2020 I gained 15 kilos, which is a lot of pounds in muscle. And it really shows how much it truly takes. Yeah, it's, it's a full body workout.
Nick VinZant 12:25
What? Now, what? This is a competition here, right? Yes, this
Rosie Mulari 12:29
is actually from the US for the first ever us championships. And this was my closing, um, like movements. The crowd was shouting and screaming. They were so hyped. And, yeah, it's, this is like one part of my legendary, um, like, courses or my routines. Everyone knows those in Finland. Everyone knows that, oh, now she's gonna do that. And everyone's just like, they have this tension, because it's kind of a, like, a strong choice to be doing that. And the music is kind of like aggressive and intensive as well. So it it forms a pretty, pretty good and everyone knows that. And it's almost like an iconic move, like an iconic move, because people know that I'll be doing that every single time, and it's kind of my signature move when it comes to freestyles,
Nick VinZant 13:23
then what's the signature move is which part of it I'm not
Rosie Mulari 13:27
this one where I start to go diagonal, like across crisscross from the court, and then, yeah, it's almost like, when I'm walking, the Tension is growing, and when I turn to left and start to trot like that's the move everyone knows me off like they know that I'll be doing that every time, and they still enjoy it every time, like it just fits. There.
Nick VinZant 13:53
Is there any in here that are the jumping aspect of it?
Rosie Mulari 13:57
It's a old video of me jumping I was a little kid. So this is me jumping, like, 90 centimeters. I don't know how much that is in feet, like, maybe four or 290
Nick VinZant 14:09
centimeters. So that's about a three feet. It's about three feet, I think, okay,
Rosie Mulari 14:12
yeah. So that's a double, which is 75 and then 90 Yeah.
Nick VinZant 14:19
Oh, there is two of them. I thought at first, like, like, because, just because of the angle of the camera, I couldn't see if they were next to each other or one in front of the other. So how? Okay, so if you're doing a 90, like, How high will people get up
Rosie Mulari 14:31
right now? The like, biggest jump that anyone has taken in the SM, which is the finished championships, is 142 centimeters. I think
Nick VinZant 14:45
call that about four and a half feet. That's pretty that's a legit jump.
Rosie Mulari 14:50
Oh yeah, and it's like, when you you know that Olympics on the real horses, they jump like 120 130 so. Centimeters, and then in the SM, we jump 140 many times in the high jump. So there's the people still don't think that it's a sport like that amazes me.
Nick VinZant 15:15
Yeah, does? Does the horse make it like more difficult or not really.
Rosie Mulari 15:21
Oh yeah. It makes everything difficult. My biggest horse, which I have, which is also my main horse, which has been with me for four years, he weighs seven and a half pounds, and jumping with him, like the over three feet obstacles, it's it's hard.
Nick VinZant 15:41
I'm gonna ask this question kind of directly. Do you ever like, Do people ever feel kind of ridiculous doing it?
Rosie Mulari 15:49
Not really like, when we do hobbyhorse, it's like hobbyhorse, people don't feel that. But if people who aren't doing the hobby they try it, they first, they feel really embarrassed, but after a while they're kind of warming up to that. Like, I've done loads of collabs with YouTubers and TV producers and actresses. First they were kind of like, I don't really want to do that. But then they are doing it, and then they're like, Oh, well, this is fun. Actually, this is fun, and the hobbyhorse people, like, we're not ashamed. We're we do not feel like, embarrassed or like, like, uncomfortable. It's like, it's a such a normal thing for us. And, yeah, we do not like, it's, it's normal for us, good for you. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 16:39
right. Like, this is what I like. Leave me alone and let me do the thing that I like. Yeah. Are you ready for some harder slash? Listener submitted questions. Yeah, shoot them my way. Country that seems to adopt this the most. Like, what country is really into it? Finland. Finland. What? How come Finland like? What is it? Why does Finland seem to just love it?
Rosie Mulari 17:05
Oh, Finland has a lot of different, like, very weird things, um, toting your wife, competitions, heavy metallic knitting, um, throwing the boot competitions and hobbyhorse thing is, like, the least weird thing, and it started in Finland. So I think that people are very proud of it as well. So it has been a big thing here, and it still is. But other than Finland, I think that the hobby has been growing in Poland and in
Nick VinZant 17:34
the US. Do you name the horses? Yeah,
Rosie Mulari 17:38
yeah. We almost every time we do, um, I have a name for all of the horses I own, and usually I like to name my sale horses, which like, when people have kind of an emotion like tie with the horse they're about to buy and the name is good, they're more prone to buy it from you. And it kind of creates a personal aspect to that when you're naming the horses. So, yeah, yeah, we named the horses like most of the time.
Nick VinZant 18:07
Can you share the name? Or is it like, No, you don't tell people the name of the horse.
Rosie Mulari 18:11
Oh, yeah. Actually, my the horse that I have here, which is my star of the show, I have a tattoo of them. His name is MinGi, which is arrow as always song, his full name and his stable name, which is the name that everyone calls him like, for sure, is MinGi. And then I have ru day you and then I had Yona. But Yona is from, like, I sold him a while back. Um, yeah, it's like, and for the sale horses, I love to pick out names for them. I have different, like breeds that have the same, like heritage. They have different, like moms and dads, and they're kind of a like in concept, like some some horses have their names off of like the universe and the space, and other have their names on birds and metals, like copper Hawk, silver bird, Platinum bagtail and everything. Um, yo. So yeah, we kind of spent time on the names, and we like to name them.
Nick VinZant 19:21
How much do you sell a horse for?
Rosie Mulari 19:24
So my prices are from 50 to 500 euro, slash dollars, and every horse gets sold. Um, it's like I'm an entrepreneur. I do this myself. I have my workforce is me, and I'm making about $15,000 per year off of hobby horses alone. And then there are the camps, which are a completely different aspect. There are 1000s of euros in that as well sponsorships like to kids like, yeah, you can really profit off of hobby horses. Here.
Nick VinZant 20:00
Where do you think it goes from here
Rosie Mulari 20:01
in the future? I think that there, there has been talks about hobbyhorse and getting into the Olympics, but however, that's a far, far away the conversation even about that. So if we were to organize Olympics, every country has to have their own Association, which has regional championships, and like the National Championships, we have to do anti doping tests for everyone. It's it's a process. It will happen for sure, but it will take 10s of years, like 10 or 15 years, before we can even consider that. For me, it's now that I'm working with many TV producers, many movie producers, actresses, companies, big companies, and I'm filming this documentary with this iconic, legendary American like person and like there are so many things that we need to do, but I think that the most important part is now to just talk and get rid of the hate and kind of normalize it. So just just being ourselves, keeping doing what we love, keep doing what makes us happy, and we will win. We will win the hate war, but it takes a lot. So that's the next mission we have.
Nick VinZant 21:33
I want to thank Rosie so much for joining us. If you want to connect with her, we have linked to her on our social media sites were profoundly pointless on Tiktok, Instagram and YouTube, and we've also included her information in the episode description. And if you want to see more of this interview, as well as exactly what hobby horsing looks like, the YouTube version of this interview will be live on September 26 at 12:30pm Pacific. Okay, now let's bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of the show. Okay, so think back to a previous job that you have had, one that at the time you were kind of okay with it, but in hindsight, you really didn't like it. How much money would it take you to go back to that job? Like, how much of an increase in wages would it take you to go back?
John Shull 22:28
And it has to be like the job that I hated the most.
Nick VinZant 22:32
No, not the job that you hated the most. Just Okay, so, for example, for me, like, I used to be a reporter in Orlando, Florida, I liked it when I was there, but now you'd have to raise my salary by about 300% to get me to go back. Like I don't think that I would do it for I mean, if it was cash money, and I really started to think about it, maybe I would go back for double, but I really think that you would have to pay me triple or more to get me to go back
John Shull 23:01
the few jobs I can think of that I have no interest in ever revisiting. I made so little money at anyways that my number is going to sound astronomical, but that's only because I made so little but it would have to be 1,000%
Nick VinZant 23:17
500% it really would take me a lot of money for me to go back to a job that I really didn't like, like, you would have to be talking about double, triple at the least.
John Shull 23:28
And I don't think any money, especially as I get older. I just, I have, I have no, you know, I have no desire to ever put myself in a situation like that ever again.
Nick VinZant 23:39
I do think it's interesting, though, how you can be okay with a situation at one point of time in your life, and then looking back on it, would never want to go back. I
John Shull 23:50
feel like a lot of it is, you know, being young and trying to get established in whatever business, or, you know, or or just trying to hold a job so you do certain things, or you let certain things go that you know people who are older, wouldn't I will say that there's one job that I I actually wish I had a do over at, um, because I royally effed it up when I was given the opportunity the first time, and that was being part of a construction crew.
Nick VinZant 24:18
How many job Wait? How many jobs have you been fired from in your life?
John Shull 24:21
Three, three jobs in my my life,
Nick VinZant 24:25
I really feel like you should get fired from at least one job. Like, if you don't get fired, you weren't really maximizing that job to your advantage, and either like not doing the work, or like trying too hard, I've been fired from four I've been so two of them, my contract wasn't renewed, which is the same thing as kind of being fired. One, I was going to be fired if I didn't just quit. I was fired, essentially for stealing alcohol as a teenager from a grocery store, which I technically didn't do.
John Shull 24:59
Yeah, if. Sure? Yeah. I was like, Sure, you didn't.
Nick VinZant 25:02
I bet that guy was so mad because he knew it was me who was doing it, and I just sat in his office. Was like, No, it wasn't me. The
John Shull 25:08
two jobs that I actually got fired from the construction and I worked at a, I don't know if they have them down in Kansas or wherever you lived, but at farmer jacks, it's a grocery store. Jane,
Nick VinZant 25:20
okay, you got fired from a grocery store. Good. Both of us have been fired from a grocery store.
John Shull 25:25
I did, yeah, wasn't for stealing. Mine was probably, I still don't understand the reason, but the shift manager that I was working under that shift walked up to me and said that I was too qualified, and I was making others feel like I was doing too much, and I was putting them down, and fired me for that. So I still don't really know what that was about, but
Nick VinZant 25:46
dude, he just didn't. Did he Did they seem to like you,
John Shull 25:49
yeah, I mean, I mean I was, I was a teenager. I was a kid. I don't know. I just
Nick VinZant 25:57
thought he was doing you a favor. Well, thinking back on it,
John Shull 26:01
I think that I was that, that employee that, you know, if there was an open lane in my lane, you know, if I wasn't helping backing, I would jump into another lane and help. Oh, if somebody I just wanted to stay busy, I was like, I was 1716, years old, 17. I just wanted to help. Yeah,
Nick VinZant 26:20
you can't try that hard at work, especially if it's a job that, like, you don't have to try this hard. You don't want to be a go getter, like, Who's the guy who can sack the most groceries? Man? Like, you're making other people look bad, and they don't like that. I
John Shull 26:33
funny, not funny story. I do remember I did overstep my place with that job probably three weeks in, and and I was stacking, like, like, in the soup aisle, and there was this pretty girl down the way, she was, like, doing cheeses or something, and she looked at me, and I thought, okay, all right, we'll see what I can do here. And I misplaced a can, and basically, like, drove the can I was holding into a bunch of other cans. And it started this chain reaction, and probably 50 cans fell on the floor. God,
Nick VinZant 27:04
so you tried to be cool and immediately look like an idiot, absolutely.
John Shull 27:07
And my blue vest and my khaki pants that were probably too short,
Nick VinZant 27:14
oh yeah, I would say that anytime people pay attention to me, there's a good chance I'm going to embarrass myself. Like, I don't think that I'm ever going like, if somebody ever said, like, do something to make yourself look cool, like I would trip down the stairs or something like that, actually
John Shull 27:26
thinking about it. I mean, the reason why I got fired from from construction was I was, I had never done construction, and I was under the table, and they give me a jackhammer and tell me to cut out a two by two square, square in the in the earth, and I didn't tell them. I had no idea how to use a jackhammer, and it was brutal. It ended up costing the crew, like, $20,000 because they had to, they had to, like, cut up a bigger part of the pavement, and it was just a whole thing. But really wasn't my fault. Once again, you know, it was
Nick VinZant 27:58
your fault. Like number one, you shouldn't have been hired for that place, but then also, you should have sent in, like, I don't know how to use a jackhammer. That's not the kind of thing that you just want to go ahead. It's not like a hammer, you know, like, that's the kind of heavy machinery is the kind of thing you shouldn't be operating if you didn't know how to use it, I wouldn't fire you because you didn't know how to use the thing. I would fire you because you tried to use a piece of heavy machinery that you didn't know how to use.
John Shull 28:24
To be fair, can you actually be fired if you're never a legal employee? I was definitely under the table, and I was definitely handed the jackhammer because one of the guys on the crew was either messing with me or he looked at me and he said, You're a big old guy. You should be able to handle this jackhammer, and that's how it all unfolded,
Nick VinZant 28:46
yeah. Well, I mean, you're not technically fired, but you're no longer employed.
John Shull 28:52
The foreman walked up to my buddy's dad and was like, I don't know where you got this kid from, but he doesn't know what a straight line is. And that was, Oh, my God,
Nick VinZant 29:00
how did you go from being overqualified at the grocery store to a complete incompetent boob at the construction site?
John Shull 29:09
You know, that's a I don't know why, but that's a great word to like use in that context. I don't know why, and incompetent boob, yeah,
Nick VinZant 29:16
that's exactly because that is that incompetent is a word that I like to use, incompetent doofus. Like I love calling somebody a doofus, a boob, those kind of things. Uh, apparently, though our sentiments are pretty accurate with the audience, most people would really want to get paid a lot more money to go back to a job they didn't like. 9% said 10 to 50% or more. 30% said 50 to 100% more. 28% said 100 to 250% more. And then 33% said 250% or more. So more than half of the audience would want 100% or more to go back to a job that they didn't like. Like, money isn't everything. It's everything, but it's not everything in a weird way.
John Shull 29:59
Alright, let's give some shout outs here. Let's start with Angela, tarcoma, Wayne delofter, lex, sarcoma. That seemed a lot different when I put that down.
Nick VinZant 30:13
Sarcoma, I believe, is a type of answer. I bet
John Shull 30:16
you it's not the last name, and my note switched it to sarcoma. So not, probably not let Lex I apologize. Uh, Kenneth Johnson, naive. Shiraz Luca Brazi, Tommy Lee, I looked it up. It's not the Tommy Lee. That would be pretty cool if you listen to her podcast. Uh, Kobe Haddad, Joseph ring guard, Brian McAllister, Rob pluah, and we'll end here with a long time listener of the show, Randy herkowitz. So appreciate all
Nick VinZant 30:50
a lot of herkowitz is also not a lot of Wayne's anymore.
John Shull 30:55
Yeah, definitely not a lot of wings. I actually don't I've never liked. Do you know any Waynes that you actually like?
Nick VinZant 31:04
No, sorry, Waynes. I know one guy named Wayne, and he was an awkward guy. He was hard to have a conversation with. And a friend of mine, thankfully, this was not me, but a friend of mine went on a road trip with him, five hour road trip, and when they got in the car, he turned off the radio and said, Let's spend the next five hours telling jokes. And it was the most awkward. I said, one of those situations I still I'm like, God, thank God I didn't go down
John Shull 31:32
that trip. Yeah, that would have been kind of brutal. Yeah, no,
Nick VinZant 31:36
I don't know a lot of good Wayne's.
John Shull 31:39
I have an uncle Wayne. Wayne. Oh, I
Nick VinZant 31:41
have an uncle Wayne too. He's cool. Yeah, Michael Wayne. He's not just straight Wayne.
John Shull 31:48
I mean, I guess mine's uncle Wayne, and I don't mind disparaging him on a public forum, because he's not the greatest human being. But all I will say is that he was named after John Wayne, so that should tell you a lot about where he was going to go in life. I
Nick VinZant 32:03
always found it fascinating that John Wayne is held up as this symbol of American masculinity and patriotism, but yet he didn't fight in World War Two and stayed home to make movies like we always the opposite of something. I know there's a lot more to it than that, but still, I always found that interesting. It's like he He got famous for making movies about a war that he didn't fight in. And
John Shull 32:25
listen, I'm going to take it well, I debated talking about this or wanting to bring it up to you, but I do think it is important, and I am curious to get your opinions on it, and we can skip past if you don't want to talk about it, but I feel like we have to bring it up because it's the biggest news story, and I think it's going to be the biggest story, maybe of this.
Nick VinZant 32:45
Well, what is it decade,
John Shull 32:46
the Diddy, the Diddy stuff that came out
Nick VinZant 32:50
that's crazy. I don't know exactly what's involved, but you and I, I used to work in the news business. You still work in the news business. Know that if Homeland Security is involved and they're like, raiding your house. You did, like you're gonna be in for it a little bit, but that's insane. He was, man,
John Shull 33:11
you know the it's huge, but it seems like it was well known, and multiple people, hundreds of people, knew about it. And once again, I'm not saying he's guilty or innocent, but like, Nick just said, Homeland Security does, doesn't just raid multiple houses and arrest you, usually for no reason, but regardless, yeah, and then what, what's really gotten me is I've kind of bought into the bullshit, you know, conspiracy theories, where people post videos and like, Oh, hey, Look at Justin Bieber When he was 12 years old, and he stayed two nights at Diddy's house. And Diddy talks about how they're gonna have so much fun. And it's like, maybe there was something there. And everyone just turned their their turn their eyes to it like that. It's terrible.
Nick VinZant 33:57
It's like the Harvey Weinstein thing. This is a part of a slightly broader rant to go all into this. This is why I don't want to hear from any celebrities about any kind of social causes, because, if it behooves them to, they don't have any more principles than anybody else you know, like I did he, like, they all knew. Everybody knew what Harvey Weinstein was doing. Like, everybody kind of knew who did he was. They were okay with it. Now, like, don't give me this show. Now, I
John Shull 34:26
hate to say it, because I'm not. I don't have a lot of facts to back up much of it, but I feel like the bigger celebrity you are probably the shittier of a person you are.
Nick VinZant 34:38
Oh, I think that that's true for just about everything. I don't think there's, there's no clean way to a billion dollars. I think the more successful somebody is, the dirtier somebody probably is, because you have to be willing to step on people,
John Shull 34:53
or sexually assault and do all these terrible things to people. But
Nick VinZant 34:58
was, was. With men, or was he with women? That's the part that I wasn't completely sure of. Or was he just doing all kinds of stuff. I
John Shull 35:08
I mean, it's, I mean, once again, I'm only going by what's trickled out in the internet, and that could be completely false, but it seems like he, he was involved with every, everybody, um, males, females, and then, and then there's clips of different celebrities that would attend his parties, and they'd put stuff out there, you know, about how crazy they were, and the orgies and this and that. And you know the Aliyah story is, is a big one. The the late, well, I guess not late. She died, like 20 years ago. But you know that she, everyone had said that she was groomed, and, you know, she died, and then it all went away, and then you start doing a deep dive, and it's like, man, maybe he really was, like, grooming her. It's just, it's insane.
Nick VinZant 35:53
And he wasn't a guy that had, like, a really an image, like a dirty, shady image, if I remember right, like, for example, Suge Knight, which may be between some maybe before some people's times, but like, Suge Knight was a guy that, like, you always knew that he was kind of a bad dude and that he was maybe running real close to the other side of the law. And there's some other people that are like that too, but I never really remember thinking that way of P Diddy, that he was a guy like that, was on the other side of the law and doing those kind of things.
John Shull 36:26
No, because I think, I think what he did, that many didn't do, was he, at the time, at least, was he got involved with philanthropy, and he had all kinds of businesses and all this other stuff. Then he was a, he's a well known producer. That's,
Nick VinZant 36:39
it's a really kind of that story is going to really keep going. Because how many people did he, did he know and that were there that are really worried right now? Because I would say it's probably a lot, and they're potentially criminally liable for all of that too. Like, if you were at that party, you're criminally liable as well. I,
John Shull 37:00
I mean, I, you know, thinking about it from a law and I'm sure we're getting boring now, but thinking of it from a law enforcement standpoint, holy cow, that investigation had to have spanned years. Oh,
Nick VinZant 37:13
that's big. And the other thing is, too, is that usually when people like clop cop a plea deal or try to get out of it. They have to, kind of rat on the person higher up, but they already got the person at the top. So if you're blow there's nobody to rat on, yeah. So like, you're in a lot of trouble in that regards, too. Because, like, well, I'll give you information. Like, well, no, we already got it. We don't need that.
John Shull 37:38
That's, I mean, and he was involved in movie, I mean, he was involved across the board, as we're you know why the Weinstein stuff was kind of segregated to one, you know, one specific part of Hollywood, Diddy was across the board with everybody. I mean, not, not, not saying this is any implicative, right at all. There's pictures of him with NBA executives and, you know, the Obamas. I mean, who knows, and all these people attended parties. Does that make them accessories? Like, well, yeah,
Nick VinZant 38:08
I think it does. I don't know how much you have to participate in it, necessarily, but like, you were there, you knew what was going on. He's not gonna be like, the only domino that falls. But that's just why I don't like whenever celebrities go on their social causes, like, I just, I don't buy into any of that stuff. Because, like, you knew what he was doing, you knew what Harvey Weinstein was doing, and you didn't say anything. So now don't get on a moral high horse about it.
John Shull 38:36
I mean, I It's, I don't want to jump on, you know, and continue this conversation for much longer, but it's like the Justin Timberlake stuff to me about how he came out during covid and said how tough parenting was. 24/7 like, who can do this? And then he gets a DUI, and now he's trying to be an advocate for, you know, Mothers Against Drunk Driving. It's like, dude, nobody believes you,
Nick VinZant 39:01
nobody, nobody's you. Nobody believes you. Like, yeah, okay, it's
John Shull 39:06
anyways. I think it's interesting. We'll probably talk about the Diddy stuff for many weeks to come, because I think it's just getting started. Let's see. Oh, the other part of that that I wanted to ask you about, which is just, it's more fun than anything. So he take away the fact that he used to host these parties, but white parties where you have to dress up in anything white. I I'm a bigger guy. I don't wear a lot of white. I would never even think about going to a white party because I don't want to wear white pants. I don't want to wear white shorts, I don't want to wear white anything. You're just it's
Nick VinZant 39:41
a good party. It's just going to be all stained. All stained, like, I don't understand the practical, like, if you're not rich or a celebrity, you can't have a white party, because you're never going to be able to wear those clothes again if it's a good party, that's how you know you're rich, is when you're going to, like, it's all white, because we can afford new clothes. Like. I'm not going to an all white party, man, I need to wear these pants for at least the next two years.
John Shull 40:05
Well, that's why maybe we should have our own white party. But say like stains are encouraged. Have
Nick VinZant 40:12
you ever worn anything white in your lower half? Like, I don't own a single pair of white shorts or white pants, and I don't think I ever would like, No way.
John Shull 40:25
Not white, no. I mean, I have, like, beige and tan, but straight white other than whitey tighties. No, no whitey tighties.
Nick VinZant 40:33
And that's the only reason you can get away with white titties, because you can supposed to at least wear them. You know, where they're not going to get stained, or where they're not the stains aren't going to be seen. You still have stains on your underwear that you wear. You still have skid marks in your underwear. As an adult, you ever look back there and be like, oh, there's a stain there. I
John Shull 40:51
don't look because I don't want to know. And when laundry happens very answer, I just throw the underwear in a drawer. I don't want to know. I don't think I do, but also I don't check on a regular basis.
Nick VinZant 41:02
What's the longest you think that you should own a pair of underwear? Is there a cap on terms of how many months or how many, how long you should own a pair of underwear before you should just throw it out, regardless of what it looks like?
John Shull 41:17
No, I do have a maybe it's a general rule that I follow. But as soon as a hole develops, anywhere it's gone, it could even be like a small hole and it gets thrown out. Same thing with socks and shirts. I think you
Nick VinZant 41:34
shouldn't keep any underwear for longer than a year, like you just need to throw every year. You need to throw em all out and start again.
John Shull 41:41
I mean, comparatively to other pieces of clothing, underwear are not expensive to buy. So you could do that. Technically, that was
Nick VinZant 41:49
probably do that. Like, if the choice is buying a new shirt or basically redoing all of your underwear, you should probably buy new underwear. That's my official position on this.
John Shull 41:58
The only I expected us to talk a lot about Diddy, which we did the only other thing. We'll skip a couple here I wanted to ask you so they released a video of the Titan submersible being found on the ocean floor. Yeah, that was the one last summer that imploded. Am I? Am I wrong in thinking that no one truly gave a shit about this story, and they just keep jamming it down our throats. For some reason,
Nick VinZant 42:23
I would say you're wrong about that, because the reason is, it's like billionaires or people with a lot of money. It kind of showcases in some ways that, like, Look, maybe these people who are supposed to be held up as being so smart and so all this, maybe they really didn't think this through, because they ultimately signed up for, like, a trip to the bottom of the ocean in a thing that really shouldn't have been going to the bottom of the ocean, right?
John Shull 42:49
A tin can, man. I mean, essentially, I mean, that's what it was, yeah. I guess the only saving grace was at least they died instantly. Because could you imagine, like, drowning? I mean, you're not floating back to the surface at that point, like, I just, Oh, no.
Nick VinZant 43:04
If I was in a situation like that where, like, you were going to run out of oxygen and drown in the ocean, I'd be like, Look. So how are we going to do this? Like, you grab that one knife, I'll grab this knife, and we're going to take each other out before this end comes. Like, I'm going out my own way.
John Shull 43:20
Do you think that you you think you could stab me like that if we tried it? I don't know if I could actually go through with it. Oh, I
Nick VinZant 43:25
don't know if I actually could. I'm not sure. I don't I always think about those things, like a movie on movies and TV shows where they show somebody like hitting somebody else with a bat or a hammer. I don't think that I could do that.
John Shull 43:39
Man, it's funny not to keep talking? But it's funny. You say that because the wife and I were having a conversation about how our attitudes have changed regarding TV shows and movies, specifically with The Walking Dead, how people used to hate that show because they would spend four episodes building up to a main character having to possibly kill another main character for whatever reason, and then they just kind of skated around it or whatever. But it's like, as you get older, it's like, I don't want to have to kill my best friend if they're a zombie, like that sucks, you know? Yeah, I
Nick VinZant 44:13
wouldn't. I don't think I could. If somebody broke into my house and, like, where my family is, I think all bets are off. But I couldn't, like, walk up behind somebody and not walk up behind but somebody, like, hit somebody with like a bat, knowing, like, Oh, what's that going to do to him? I don't think I could do that.
John Shull 44:32
I think if I was in a fit of rage, I could obviously the house thing goes, my dog would get them before I ever got the chance. So I'm okay with that,
Nick VinZant 44:40
but Okay, alright. Do you have anything else?
John Shull 44:43
No, let's, let's go on to let's take a little trip.
Nick VinZant 44:47
Oh, nice or bad. I'm not sure which one. So our top five is top five worst souvenirs, just like things that people buy when they go traveling. And you're just, what is this piece of junk?
John Shull 44:59
It's. Yeah, well, I wish you had said it a little more convicted there. Like, what is this piece of
Rosie Mulari 45:05
what?
Nick VinZant 45:06
What is this? I don't buy things on vacation. I'm not buying anything on a vacation that I'm gonna actually want. Like, what do I want with that anyway? What's your number five? Uh,
John Shull 45:19
so this is the only one that I've actually bought myself, but I regret it every time, and I never wear them. And that is, like, commemorative T shirts. Oh,
Nick VinZant 45:29
I have that much higher on the list. Oh, wait a minute. Now I'm okay. I'm okay with a decent if you're gonna buy clothing, you can only buy, like a T shirt, or, if you're like, shopping at some high end place or whatever, right? You can only buy like a nicer quality one. You can't get the three for 999 or three for 1999 you got to pay more than $20 for a shirt, and it's got to be slightly tasteful. I'll go into this more, but because my have that higher on the list, my number five is a book of postcards. I don't, I don't want any postcards. Like, who are you sending these postcards to? Because if you're, if I know you well enough, like you're just sending me a picture, like, I don't want your stupid postcard. Man,
Unknown Speaker 46:20
who are you sending these to?
Nick VinZant 46:21
Who are you sending these postcards to? Like, they don't want them. If they care about you, they already know and you probably already you sent them pictures. They don't need a postcard. Like, that's just a waste of paper. Can
John Shull 46:33
you can you say, Have you ever received those before? No,
Nick VinZant 46:38
I've never gotten a postcard. I don't think in my life,
John Shull 46:43
wow, okay, that's, I
Nick VinZant 46:44
don't think I've ever gotten a postcard. That's,
John Shull 46:46
do you want me to send you one from the great state of Michigan, maybe a little bit, but I'm gonna send you one. I'm gonna send you one.
Nick VinZant 46:52
Okay, that's, yeah, send it. Make it. Make it a postcard from Detroit. And there's probably, like, a crime scene and a body in the background.
John Shull 46:59
I'll put some gun powder on it. Give you the real smell and effect, real
Nick VinZant 47:04
smell of Detroit, right? And make sure you add in like the collapse of the whole city.
John Shull 47:09
For all of you listening that may not have ever visited, Detroit is not like that at all. It may have been at one point, but it's not like that anymore. It's a great city to come visit, and I recommend it my number four. And I, I actually don't mind these things, but I'll never buy them, and I never want to be given a pair. And that's like, sunglasses,
Nick VinZant 47:31
oh, from his souvenir, yeah. Like,
John Shull 47:34
they can have, like, the city on the side, or they're always cheap, and they, even if you're gifted them, they never last more than a week, because you either lose them or they're cheap plastic and they snapped in half, and it's just and you know what I'm talking about, every major city has those, those stores, you know, like the tourist gift shops, and there's this, the six, you know, the six rotating things that have nothing but sunglasses on them. Do you
Nick VinZant 48:01
still have your third base coach sunglasses?
John Shull 48:03
I don't, and I really regret I lost him at a wedding playing drunk golf, and I regret it, John,
Nick VinZant 48:10
you must have these sunglasses that look like he was a third base coach from the 1990s looked like Boomer esiasons. Not Boomer Esiason, but like the boss is shady, brother in law kind of stuff.
John Shull 48:24
I'm starting to look more and more. I'm starting to look more and more like a third base coach the older I get. So I gotta do something here. You are starting to look like a third base coach. I gotta look at this shit, chia pet hair.
Nick VinZant 48:34
Anyways, yeah, you're starting to look at my number four is any kind of receipt, ticket stubs, boarding passes, anything like that. Like, why are you keeping that? You're gonna look at that someday. Like, why are you keeping that? Other than, like, I'm gonna put this on my wall and you just have a bunch of junk sitting around. Nobody cares about your boarding pass.
John Shull 48:59
This is I thought, I thought you may bring something up like this, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with like, a few things like boarding passes, what do they call it? The things you put drinks on bars. Oh, coaster. I'm
Nick VinZant 49:16
okay with the coaster,
John Shull 49:17
like a coaster, you know, like maybe commemorative programs or something. If you go see a show or a sport or something, I'm okay with those. I am. It has to be, to me, a good souvenir has to be something that is individual and isn't just like, hey, I walked into, you know, the dollar store just to bring you back something.
Nick VinZant 49:39
Are you fighting a hiccup or a burp? You can hear that? Yeah, dude, I can see it too
John Shull 49:45
well. I, well, I had shawarma for lunch, and my heart burns pretty bad. So I don't know if it was a throw up or, like an actual burp, but I just, I did it back down. So we're good. I
Nick VinZant 49:56
can't. I can't eat a big lunch. I would, I don't. I. Would almost go through an entire work day eating nothing but like a light breakfast, like a granola bar, and then I'll just raw dog the whole rest of the day until I get home.
John Shull 50:10
Oh, oh, anyways, raw dog. Um, well, three we're 12 years old. Um, what's I don't necessarily mind these, but these are annoying, and I feel like if you get them, the people who give them to you expect you to display them, and they're magnets. Oh,
Nick VinZant 50:31
I don't mind a magnet for my own personal thing, but don't you dare get me a magnet. I don't want anything from anybody else's trip, like, I don't want your crap that you bought. Just,
John Shull 50:43
yeah, exactly. That's the I don't even need to continue. That is the best way to put it. I don't want your crap. And I don't want, I don't want you to think that, like you were being thoughtful when you were just standing in line and they were right there, and you're like, oh, they wanted, they, you know, they want a magnet from Atlanta. That's cool. And
Nick VinZant 51:06
you probably didn't even buy it in Atlanta. You probably bought it in an airport in Atlanta. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 51:12
that's a good point. God, we
Nick VinZant 51:13
got to get something for John. Where are we gonna get him? Get him a magnet. Like, no, don't get me anything. That's to me is the present. Don't get me anything. My number three is currency, because I have no use for pesos or yen or the denari or any other thing. Like, what do you you just wait, literally just wasting money you're never going to use that. You keep it in your wallet and just bring it out and look at it at times to make yourself happy. Like it's just a total, total waste. Take a picture of it. There you go.
John Shull 51:44
I get it. I I'm okay with it, just because, once again, I feel like it's, it's kind of like one of those individualized gifts. It's kind of cool to see other countries currencies. But, yeah, what am I going to do? You know, what am I going to do with a Denari? Like, is
Nick VinZant 51:59
that, I don't know if that's a real dollar thing, but anyway, but that's not the point. Like, imagine doing somebody like foreign currency as a gift. Like, thanks for this yen. I'm sure gonna use that in Wichita, Kansas. You got me a gift. I literally have no use for
John Shull 52:16
going to the purple pig with this dollar.
Nick VinZant 52:20
Oh, I wonder. I think it closed down. Sambara, you stop. Sorry.
John Shull 52:22
It's called I so I feel like we have to say the right word there, because I don't know what you were going for, but it's, it's just a dinar. Dir, yeah, so you were, you get, you get credit for getting close enough. I think I
Nick VinZant 52:36
got added one extra word, letter to E, I believe, what's your number two.
John Shull 52:42
So I feel like one and two are pretty interchangeable. Probably we have the same mixture, I think. But my number two are keychains. Oh, yeah, that's
Unknown Speaker 52:50
a waste.
John Shull 52:51
I don't want your keychain, man. Like, not at all. No,
Nick VinZant 52:55
I don't want anything to do with it. I don't like I said. I don't know if I said this or not, but I'm gonna say it again. I don't want any gift from anyone else's vacation.
John Shull 53:05
You. You definitely seem like the kind of guy that if I were to hand you, like, I don't know, just name a city, a Charleston, you know, like a keychain from Charleston. You're going to be like, Oh, great. And then just chuck it into the ocean, or
Nick VinZant 53:19
I would like to put it directly in the trash in front of them. Like, hey, got you this Vicky chain from my trip to Boise, Idaho?
John Shull 53:27
Yeah, it's from what am
Nick VinZant 53:33
I gonna do with this? Because at least, like other things, like a T shirt, you can at least use that as a rag or, like, this is my painting shirt or my mowing shirt. Like, what am I going to do with an extra
John Shull 53:46
like, Meemaw Anderson got me this tie dye t shirt from Palm Beach?
Nick VinZant 53:51
Well, I guess I'm going to there's a new rag to clean the kitchen. Yeah. No kidding. My number two is a shot glass, okay? Like, only cool if you only cool if you're not actually of legal drinking age.
John Shull 54:05
I mean, so I don't have shot glass on my list. I haven't received that many. I guess I feel like that was like a older generation thing. I don't know. I don't, I don't receive very many, or people think I'm an alcoholic and don't want to promote it. I don't know. You only
Nick VinZant 54:25
need one shot glass in the house. Need one shot glass in the house, and that's pretty much it. How many pairs of tongs do you have now, by the way,
John Shull 54:35
I don't, I mean, less than 10, probably. Oh, you know, I actually, I did get some pretty sweet salad tongs, which I can put the dressing in the tongue, and as I'm mixing it, I can, like, release a little dressing so it evenly coats the you know, instead of just pouring it in. It's pretty it's pretty awesome, actually.
Nick VinZant 54:55
Oh, okay, that's just total, that's one of those fake. Reasons to enjoy something like no, no. This allows me to really evenly coat the salad. Or you could just use any regular tongs, and it would do the exact same thing.
John Shull 55:10
You know what? I made swordfish the other night, and it was fantastic. So get off my back about it.
Nick VinZant 55:16
Oh, really. Well, I had McDonald's, and that was fantastic. And then I had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, and that was really good. I
John Shull 55:26
mean, listen, we all, we all put our time and effort into other things you like to get, you know, have some extracurriculars and have a dance party. I like to spend time on dinner. It's fine,
Nick VinZant 55:38
okay. Well, I mean, one's fun, one's over in a second. Uh, what's your number one?
John Shull 55:43
Like, your love life, hey? Oh, wish
Nick VinZant 55:48
over with faster
John Shull 55:50
both parties, right? Like, we've
Nick VinZant 55:52
all been down this road before. There's no reason to make the drive longer.
John Shull 55:58
It's just, it's purely recreational at this point recreational. Yeah, all right, two minutes, my number one. And I thought I thought about putting shot glass, but once again, I don't get enough. But one thing I get plenty of that just I don't even want them, are bumper stickers. Oh, I
Nick VinZant 56:15
forgot about bumper stickers entirely. That's a good one. Like I
John Shull 56:19
don't I'm never going to display it, and they're always, usually some stupid catchphrase that's just corny as hell. And, yeah, I I get that they're cheap, and I get that they're they're kind of flashy sometimes, but, like, I don't want them. Don't give them to me.
Nick VinZant 56:36
I am not a religious person, but I've seen a religious bumper sticker recently that I thought was pretty funny. It was like, I said, I hope you follow Jesus this closely. Like, oh, that's pretty good. Yeah,
John Shull 56:47
that's pretty funny. That's
Nick VinZant 56:48
pretty good. I've seen a couple that were kind of funny. I don't think that you should ever have more, no more than three bumper stickers, no more than three stickers on your car, period. Like, I don't want to see your journey from going running the 5k to the 13.1 to the 26 point. Like, I don't
John Shull 57:08
care it kind of, it's kind of like tattoos to me. I don't care. You know, I'm not going to ask you questions. I don't look at the tattoos. I don't look at the bumper stickers and think like, oh, man, that's cool. You have a dinosaur family. You must have three kids and a husband and a great dog. Like, I don't, I don't care. Like, bumper stickers on cars make no sense to me.
Nick VinZant 57:31
I've seen a baby one though that said, like, baby up in this bitch. And I thought that was
John Shull 57:34
pretty funny. Yeah, sounds hard to get. It's gonna have a great life. Also, you
Nick VinZant 57:38
don't need more than one political bumper sticker. You don't need to have like Obama, Biden and then Harris walls or something like that. Like, if you'd only need one bumper sticker to tell me your political affiliation, you don't need to go down the whole list. I
John Shull 57:56
mean, there's a house not literally within walking distance of my house, that has 27 political signs up. So, oh,
Nick VinZant 58:04
you gotta, yeah, you only need one. And then like, Look, I know the whole rest of the way you're going. There's like, don't you don't need to tell me that
John Shull 58:11
my wife and I always joke. Because what do the neighbors think that that person there's Bob, putting out another side of kids. Like,
Nick VinZant 58:20
once you have more than one, because once you have more than three bumper stickers, or any kind of thing like, you just lose all the effect they'd be gradually becomes the total value becomes less and less and less. All right, what? What's
John Shull 58:31
your number one joke
Nick VinZant 58:33
T shirts?
Rosie Mulari 58:35
Yeah, those
Nick VinZant 58:36
are terrible. Those like you with you have a joke t shirt as a souvenir. It just makes you look like an idiot. Like, those are the kind of shirts that nobody's like, Oh, funny t shirt, Carl, they're just like, man, you're wearing that, yeah,
John Shull 58:51
and like, you're wearing it with pride, like, we're going out tonight, like, why are you wearing
Nick VinZant 58:57
can't have a joke t shirt.
John Shull 58:59
I came, I saw, I conquered Washington State t shirt. You know what I mean? Like, no, you
Nick VinZant 59:04
can't have any of that. Or, like, the B fell off. Like, no, you can't, like, you can't wear a shirt with a cuss word on it. Nobody should own a shirt with a cuss word on it, or any kind of profanity or obscenity. It just makes you look like an idiot.
John Shull 59:22
I once, I just think you wear it knowing you want attention, so I immediately don't want to give you the attention.
Nick VinZant 59:29
I immediately, if you have a one of those shirts, I immediately ignore the shirt in all its forms,
John Shull 59:35
yeah, and usually I'll be Yeah, I'll ignore you too.
Nick VinZant 59:39
Okay. Do you have any honorable mentions?
John Shull 59:42
The shot glasses I have, I don't know commonly these are, and I've received them twice now. But like towels, like be like beach towels or like hand towels that say, like, you know, the city or or the event, at
Nick VinZant 59:56
least it's a towel. At least a towel is always. Useful. Like, I would never if somebody got me that, though I would never throw it away. Because I was like, Look this towel paint. Never know when you're going to need that.
John Shull 1:00:08
Gonna go use this to clean off my sand wedge. And then this is kind of specific to me, but I've been given like, like baseballs, baseballs and footballs that have, like, pictures of the city, or, like, an attraction on it, and I'm like, I don't want these. I'm never going to display them.
Nick VinZant 1:00:28
People don't usually give me gifts, maybe because I don't want them. And they can just tell that I don't want them. Yeah, you
John Shull 1:00:34
definitely have that face,
Nick VinZant 1:00:35
yeah? Like, don't buy me anything because I'm not going to want it. I get out of here not getting things.
John Shull 1:00:42
Well, guess what? You'll never get a gift from me.
Nick VinZant 1:00:46
Thank you. I appreciate that. All right, I don't have anything in my honorable mention. Maybe it's, I actually like snow globes.
John Shull 1:00:54
You want a Detroit snow globe? No, I don't, with real dust and everything in it. Maybe I just got in the crumbling
Nick VinZant 1:01:00
city of Detroit that should be pretty easy to get. Oh, okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of profoundly pointless I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, leave us a quick review. We really appreciate it really helps us out and let us know what you think are some of the worst souvenirs. I don't think this is the case where there's a super clear number one, because it does just come down to your opinion. I think those T shirts are ridiculous. But other people, man, they might really hate postcards. So let us know what you think you.