World Chase Tag Champion Rob Schihl
Whether he’s chasing or being chased, Rob Schihl plays tag better than almost anyone else. He’s a 4x World Champion and one of the stars of World Chase Tag - a rising international sports that blends athleticism with excitement. We talk World Chase Tag, Parkour training and why Tag is soaring in popularity. Then, it’s Duck, Duck, Goose vs. Marco Polo as we countdown the Top 5 Childhood Games.
Rob Schihl: 01:47
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Interview with World Chase Tag Champion Rob Schihl
Nick VinZant 0:12
Welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant. Coming up in this episode, tag, and childhood,
Rob Schihl 0:19
it's basically like moving chess where there's like a lot of like little intricacies that kind of get overlooked until you start playing the game. And you're like, Oh, you almost get this like aha moment when you start to realize that it's not just like, you go out there and you just chase, it's really, it's a lot harder than it looks. Because until you've been on the quad, and you get stuck behind equipment, you sometimes don't understand how hard it is to tag someone when they're like, five inches away from you. Fear isn't exactly something that crosses your mind when you're playing J side, I think a lot of that comes down to like, before the game or like even when you're practicing, like this crazy flow state that you get into when you're playing the game.
Nick VinZant 1:02
I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review, we really appreciate it really helps us out. If you're a new listener, welcome to the show. If you're a longtime listener, thank you so much for all of your support. So our first guest is one of if not the best in the world at playing tag, not just any tag, though, world Chase tag, a relatively new sport that is just skyrocketing in popularity, because of its unique mix of athleticism, and excitement. This is World Chase tag champion. Rob, she'll start with the basics. What is Chase tag,
Rob Schihl 1:51
Chase tag. So essentially, Chase tag is two teams, the game itself is played, essentially just like regular tag. So when you come down to the court, it gets a little bit different. Instead of just being kind of like a random, go anywhere you want, you're confined to a 40 by 40 arena. The arena has a lot of obstacles and things like metal and wood. And then the other kind of twist is you're running away from professional parkour athletes track and field athletes, there's a football players, you're playing a one v one tag, we have a six person team. So once one of the 40 rounds ends, you will swap out with one of your next teammates. And if you succeed in that 20 seconds of evading or getting away, you you stay on the court. So it turns into this kind of this cardio game, and has a lot of little little intricacies and layers to it that can kind of add to why you'd put someone up against another person. So you'd like pairing methods and things like that. But essentially, it comes down to it's just a game of tag can't leave the arena.
Nick VinZant 3:00
I was watching some of it. And I mean, this is kind of a gross approximation, but it essentially looks like tag on playground equipment.
Rob Schihl 3:07
Yeah, I mean, it's like, playground equipment with no nothing soft. And so even the ground is usually laid on top of like, just like poured concrete. And so no part of it is soft.
Nick VinZant 3:21
It seems like you get injured, do people get injured, it looks like people are gonna get injured.
Rob Schihl 3:26
Yeah, people get injured. Here and there. A lot of people that train it. So for me in the parkour space, a lot of us train falls and had to essentially take those impacts, but there's still the attendant tendency to like you'll get a head bump on like a metal rail when they're trying to like duct really quickly underneath something. So you'll get like little bumps and like head bashes like that. But honestly, a lot of a lot of that comes down to just the individual and how they practice. So for our teams, we've done a lot of Chemi, which is just like the art of falling. So we we have a tendency to try to like take a fall or take a dive, and then turn it into a little bit more of a like we call it quadrupedal movement, where you're on your hands and feet. You have rolls, or things like that. So yep, you have some ways to combat if like a slip or fall happens. But yeah, most of the athletes are pretty good at taking falls and bashes. And you see, you see a few of them come up into competitions.
Nick VinZant 4:24
So where is this? I'll ask this directly, right. Like, where is this in terms of sports development? Is this an organized sport where people have strategies and training sessions and that kind of thing? Or is this like this is it's a bunch of people on the weekends kind of doing this stuff?
Rob Schihl 4:41
It's a it's transformed quite a bit into that competitive scene where there's like a lot of like little intricacies that kind of get overlooked until you start playing the game. You're like, oh, you almost get this like aha moment when you start to realize that it's not just like, you go out there and you just chase that was kind of like one of the The things that really captured me was a was, I was interested in JSOC. But wasn't I played it that I had that aha moment and was like, Oh, wow, there's like, it's basically like moving chess, like you have like physical. It's like physical chess to a certain extent where you understand like that person's body type, you can, if you have information on the team, you can kind of tell that like, oh, I can tell that this person doesn't like this part of the court, like they're a taller person, they're gonna have a harder time crawling underneath these obstacles, or they're maybe not the fastest athlete, but they're like really good at scrambling on the floor. So then you can almost like hit the opposite side of spectrum where they, they really like that tight area, those tight spaces, and they're going to avoid the like runways that are on the court. So
Nick VinZant 5:46
ultimately, you're trying to corner somebody with like a scouting report of the person like, okay, they're tall, they probably don't want to, I want to force them into a small space or whatever, right? Is that how kind of how it works.
Rob Schihl 5:58
A lot of the like, where you try to corner someone might be a little bit more on the person that's doing the cornering, like they might have their preference on how they approach that side of the court. If you know someone is weak on a certain side of the court, you might want to try to herd them over there. But most often it's like, catered towards the chaser and like how they, they personally like to try to tag so like, there's certain parts of the court that I'm like, I if I can get them here and I'm positioned in this spot, I almost certainly can get a tag. And so it kind of comes down to like, Okay, well, how do I get myself into that position and make sure that the opponent is also in the position that I want them to be,
Nick VinZant 6:37
is one accepted as being harder than the other like is being chased harder than being the chaser or vice versa.
Rob Schihl 6:44
So when we're training in my backyard, we have the whole, the actual clawback there. There's a lot of times where I will only practice chasing, and then there's times where I'll only practice abating. And a lot of times you the reason I'll choose to be most often a chaser is I get to control the pace of the round. When you're evading a lot of times you you can try to control the pace of the round, but you just end up always having this like lizard brain moment where just like your eyes turn red, you're like, Oh God, I gotta get out, and you just start sprinting through. So chasing is like for me, I definitely prefer chasing evading is something I also really enjoy. But like chasing, I really like because I can kind of pick the pace of the round,
Nick VinZant 7:26
what you prefer is 20 seconds. I think you mentioned 20 seconds. Is that a long time? Or? Yeah, man that goes quick. Oh, it feels
Rob Schihl 7:33
like forever. You can like, we'll call them interactions. So do you imagine like one opponent coming close to another opponent? In that 20 seconds, you can sometimes see like up to like five interactions where you'll see the meat on one side of the quad. And then they'll run to the other side of the quadrant is this constant, not constant, but just like a ton of interactions that will get happen. They'll start happening. It's like back in our backyard, we would yell. I don't know why we would yell Wallaby as like our finishing time or like, well, we will all be good off the court. Like if you've been running for 30 seconds. But yeah, a lot of times like, you'll be running for that 20 seconds and you're waiting, you're like, Oh, it's a little bit longer than I expected. And yeah, 20 seconds lasts a really long, it doesn't seem
Nick VinZant 8:17
like that long. But then I think if I'm dead sprinting, like that's a long time.
Rob Schihl 8:23
It catches up fast.
Nick VinZant 8:25
Only thing I can compare it to is I used to run the 200 meter and track and like, Man, I'm still running like this is hard.
Rob Schihl 8:31
Yeah, and especially if it's like your second round too. Like it just starts to add up. You start to like, have a hard time picking up your legs. And in order for you to be a evader, you have to have gotten the tags, that usually means you have already spent at least like 10 to 20 seconds on the quad already sprinting. So whenever you see someone getting an evasion, that's usually a pretty big deal, because that person usually is a little bit fried.
Nick VinZant 8:58
Yeah, I would imagine like if you escape once, you're probably not escaping the second time because you're just so physically tired.
Rob Schihl 9:04
Yeah, that depends on how the person runs you too. So there's a certain like, one of our strategies is if you don't feel like you can get the tag or you can't, like you just don't feel like that that's gonna be reasonable. Your goal is just to like run them as hard as you can and just like try to keep that person moving, keep that person sprinting. So then the next round was like a higher opportunity of essentially tagging that person
Nick VinZant 9:27
that makes sense, right where I'm into the ground so the next guy can get them. Does the strategy usually work out though?
Rob Schihl 9:34
About 10 seconds into the match? All chaos will generally break out unless you've been training a lot. So our team is pretty well known for just like our strategies and how we approach the quad throughout the whole time we generally will keep the same strategy throughout the whole match. As a lot of other teams I'll see that sometimes they will start out with like amazing starts really good reactions and then Once like the play starting, they're starting to run, it's almost like a chicken with their head cut off. And it just kind of comes to like being able to keep your cool after the first couple interactions. And keeping your eyes on your opponent. I think that might also be a big pieces. After people trained a couple of interactions, they go to another part of the quad. And they're now like, focusing more on just like their breath and their energy and they forget to kind of look, which will cause them to get caught out of position.
Nick VinZant 10:26
So I'm a big numbers person. So like out of every round, how often does somebody get caught? How often does somebody evade?
Rob Schihl 10:38
Think it's 24% is what they want for the tag ratio. So ideally, 24% of the runs, there'll be a tag, and they want to, they want to keep that number about around there. Because if it gets too high, then you lose the, I guess, like the crowd joy or like the like, like, Oh, that was the play like to like rewind on. So if there's tags happening, or evasions happening, like almost every round, then it almost loses. Its like, pizzazz. And that. So the 24 percents about a good number for keeping it like, where you're on the edge of your seat, you're not seeing tags happen every round. And then when you do see it, it's like this, like big moment, and you're like, Oh, my God, that just happened. You just like dove over the space, and we see a body noodling over.
Nick VinZant 11:28
So then how do they control, they just make the equipment different.
Rob Schihl 11:31
That's kind of how the quad is developed. So they they started the quad off with not as much equipment as that's on it. Now, they're kind of rule of thumb is that they'll, they'll only add, they won't remove unless, like they really, it really came down to them having to remove something. But every every year, they'll pretty much like add another bar, or they'll add another cross section that will kind of cater back to that that play percentage. So if there is like a comp that has like higher, higher evasion ratings, then they're going to try to add some bars and to try to treat that the ideal percentage, which they actually did for the actually for our team specifically, they like added in some bars, and they call them to like fu Apex bars, because we would run around behind the court and this one position, and they didn't like that. Now, how
Nick VinZant 12:23
did you how did you get into it?
Rob Schihl 12:25
So I've been in parkour for quite some time. I've been trained Parkour since about 2009 been doing national competitions for speed, parkour and skill parkour. There's a few different divisions in there. So you got like style, you got speed, and you got skill, which is essentially like bits and parts of like a obstacle course like, so you have like a specific jump that you have to accomplish. And then like a speed course will be like a whole series of different types of challenges all back to back, kind of like you'd see. And just kind of like a race, but it's just basically a time trials. And then there's another one that style, which is like a little bit more free based where you can add in flips, twists, you're not trying to get to a specific spot. Some comps will have you go to certain checkpoints, but mostly it's like on your execution of flips in speed, or execution of those flips. And then for me to get into the chase tag, we ended up those during COVID. Not a lot was happening. And then the the brothers Damien Christian who run real Chase, I got in London, they were they had a really hard time getting able to do a competition because all the borders were closed down. So it was more realistic for them to come to the US to where all the states could at least you could fly between the states, but you can fly from like Germany to France, and it was a lot more difficult for them to run it out there. So 2020 They brought to us, they kind of sent out like a request to all the different parkour athletes and gym owners and stuff like that. See, okay, we're bringing real Chase tag to the US. Can you guys put together a team? And so two months before the comp, we all kind of came together with our masks on okay. Is this gonna be something we want to do? We all agreed that was the fun, it'd be something different. We didn't have this opportunity in the past and so we we just kind of jumped on it and started training for it and then went to Georgia and had a great time.
Nick VinZant 14:27
So how popular would you say it is now?
Rob Schihl 14:30
It's quite popular. It's on YouTube. As far as a few million hits on each each of the videos. The most recent competitions have been picking up like so. originally picked up by like NBC for the first competition. The second competition was picked up by ESPN. And then the next following comps were kind of sponsored by that or push put together by the ESPN group. And then this last this last comp was just I wasn't competing, but I was just there to kind of spectate and help out and I was at the Arnold event where Arnold Schwarzenegger runs like this like huge event or just like more sports than the Olympics. So we had this like really good position in this area where like a lot of people were able to walk through come check it out. All sorts and Edgar came on like to watch the matches. And he was like chanting and like going back. Yeah, like being his hands on the table is really, really fun to watch. But yeah, it's been a it's been picking up a lot over the
Nick VinZant 15:23
years, which is there anybody making it a full time living? Any athlete, I should say, making it a full time living? Not yet. But still, I mean, once I feel like once you hit the kind of TV level, and it's not three o'clock in the morning on the roadshow, so to speak, like, okay, that's picking up in popularity. Now, for for most people who participate in it, do they fit a certain characteristic? Like, are they mostly parkour athletes, they come from all kinds of backgrounds,
Rob Schihl 15:54
mostly like anyone who's like really fast. So like track and field athletes, I've been seeing a lot of check an athlete track and field athletes kind of pick it up really easily. But it's mostly parkour athletes, because of the element of falling. Does a lot of like diving through bars and like being able to kind of like fumble through that. Parkour athletes have the most background in that that style of movement, where you're jumping, and also trying to like, look at someone else. So Parkour is definitely the biggest poll for all the athletes
Nick VinZant 16:29
what essentially make somebody good at it, right? Like, is it better to be fast? Is it better to be strong agile, like what kind of physical characteristics does somebody need?
Rob Schihl 16:38
Ideally, you'd have a balance. But speed is like a huge element. So if you have speed, you can sometimes lean into that and kind of forego a lot of strategy. But if you're going against one that has a lot of strategy, then they can use your speed against you. But I would say that speed is like probably the biggest skill that you're not skilled at talent that you'd want to have. So speed, and then probably like crawling, being able to crawl, like be able to do that effectively. So a lot of the parkour QM movements. And then speed can translate to you jumping on top of things, but then you'd want to be able to have accuracy, because you're stepping on like a two inch bar. And so you want to be able to like, if you are fast, you should be able to at least be accurate with the steps. So that's just kind of a little bit of something that's like very different from track and field. Just take some time to kind of apply that speed. Until like very narrow objects.
Nick VinZant 17:37
Cool. Um, are you ready for some harder slash listener submitted questions?
Rob Schihl 17:41
Yeah. Throw them at me.
Nick VinZant 17:42
Is there cheating?
Rob Schihl 17:44
No, no cheating. There's a lot of a lot of really good camaraderie between the athletes. Like if you notice, if you ever watched the rounds, you'll see there'll be a really angry during the run, and then the second attack happens. They're like hugging and they're like, commending each other on whatever happened during that match. But yeah, that's kind of like one of the cooler parts about sport is like, most of us are parkour athletes that have known each other for multiple years. And then even if you don't know that person, there's just like, this sense of like, we're here. We're doing this together, we're, we're pushing the sport, it's really nice.
Nick VinZant 18:18
Does the clothing count? Like if you get some of these clothes, but not necessarily their body?
Rob Schihl 18:25
So there was a lot of each comp will kind of change a little bit on that. But the like, there's, there's it's like, if you wear a hat and it falls off, technically, if they tag the hat, then that counts as a tag. That counts is if you're running. Yep. So if you have any kind of clothing that falls off, that counts,
Nick VinZant 18:44
Yeah, cuz that would be the only thing that I could see some disagreement and be somebody being like, Hey, I got you know, you did it. Like I didn't feel it. Like is does that? Does that ever happen? If you like get the clothes or something where like, I got you. I didn't feel it.
Rob Schihl 18:59
Yeah. So if it comes up on camera, so they'll call it get DTR, which just allows you to stop the match. And then they'll like pull up the camera footage. And then if like, if you are catching our clothing, and it's like a obvious tag, then they'll they'll give that tag out. But if it's like sketchy, you can't really see what's going on one person saying they felt it the other person saying they're not they'll always go to the tag has been made obvious. So if it's not obvious enough, then that's kind of a direction to lean. But there's been a lot of times were like, like, this last tournament I saw one of the guys like just like straight grab the shirt and hold on to it. This like to ensure that he showed that he made contact,
Nick VinZant 19:40
put all humbleness aside here. Who's the best? Oh, us. You guys are the champions Right? Or were the champions correct me here, fill in the tell me the resume.
Rob Schihl 19:51
We're the current world champions. So we've gone through four different cops as the Atlanta Georgia one than or as well. When in Ohio, that was one in Texas. And then there was the one in London. London was the world's for last year. And so we went out there for the London competition. And it was, was not easy. But we did come back with the with the gold. We had two teams go out there. And so we had one team come back with third and then the other team, our team came back with first.
Nick VinZant 20:23
So what makes you guys better? Like, could you say like, well, we beat this team. Because of this,
Rob Schihl 20:28
I'd say a large component is for years, we've been training, speed parkour. So we've run lots of competitions, where we focus on speed. And then that translated into Chase ag pretty fast. And then I think the major thing that really started differentiate us was we started to pile a lot of our speed training into very specific motions on the quad. And so our tactics is something that I would say, is the biggest helper, the biggest thing that kind of helped us kind of claim those goals and wins.
Nick VinZant 20:58
Do you feel like you can stay on top or once the other teams kind of figured out what you guys have been doing? Are they going to bridge the gap?
Rob Schihl 21:06
We'll see. We'll see what happens at this next competition. But I believe that we'll still be able to kind of pull through and kind of keep that push of our, our strategies. We haven't seen a lot of other teams fully get into that space, where they're focusing on those different strategies within the quad. So I think that this next year, we're still be good. But it's not, it's not easy. Everyone is now starting to get more and more quads out. So like, up in Europe, I think it was like five quads. And so we're now competing against people that also have the quads, and it's going to be a, I think it'd be a really fun competition, because now it's going to be people that are all training different tactics, it's gonna be fun to see just that element of chest. We're like, Oh, I've seen your training footage. I know that you like to do this. And so trying to like take, I guess, like the information game into the next rounds will be fun.
Nick VinZant 22:01
Okay, again, putting humbleness aside, though, who would you say if it's, you say it's you, who's the best. Like if you put it down to one person,
Rob Schihl 22:10
who the best person would be one of the guys on our team. His name is Jason. He's like, this monster. He can like sprint on top of the bars. And he can like crawl, we call it Q I mean, he can QM faster than almost like anyone have ever seen. It's like almost bizarre to watch him. Just like sprint, touch the ground and be like back up into sprinting position. Hands down, I'd say Jason's like one of the best athletes. And then the next person up would be I'd probably go with Seth or Jared ledee. So Seth Wang is one of the guys on our team. And then Jared LADEE is the guy that we picked up recently and brought onto the team. And between all those guys, like we just have like one of the fastest also one of the most committed teams to getting a tag. So a lot of a lot of teams have a hard time committing to like a dive. And like Jared LADEE, like there's like pictures of him going for a dive. And he's like diving through bars that are like, he's like five feet up in the air. And he's like a straight pistol, like little straight sticks shooting straight out of this thing. And it's like, absolutely wild to watch this guy, like get back to his feet from like any of these dives.
Nick VinZant 23:18
Is it a sport, though, where you can be good through reckless abandon, like, if you're just willing to sacrifice your body, you will be good at this.
Rob Schihl 23:30
You won't be good at it for long. So if you if you aren't doing that does it like your old injuries will stack up very fast. And so there's like a couple players out in the UK that have been known for just like sending these ridiculous dives. And they like basically crumble like an accordion when they hit the border. And like, that's something that like we we try to avoid. We don't want to be injured during the comps. So if you're aware of people who are sending it and like are like really reckless, you just have to be aware of that. And then you can still bait that stuff. So like if you know that they're more of a diving athlete, it's pretty easy to combat. So recklessness can be beneficial. But if your team is aware of you being a little bit more reckless than it probably won't help you that much.
Nick VinZant 24:17
But okay, let's say I'm a numbers person, like I mentioned earlier. One is like, I'm not doing anything, but walk in here. And 10 is like, oh my gosh, man, you gotta get this under control. Like where do you need to be in the scheme of like, being kind of pushing it a little bit where you've got to do something that maybe scares you a little bit versus reeling it back in, like on a scale of one to 10 Where would you say that people should be to be successful.
Rob Schihl 24:48
Um, you should be able to move in that range or in that scale. So kind of like the speed gradient of like, you don't want to chase too fast because that person will get up and builds, we'll see you and cut back. Same thing with like your commitment. If you're like too committed on things, then it will kind of pull you back. So I'd say that like, you'd probably want to be running at about a six, then as like the interactions start to like pick up, you'd want to move it up to about like a seven. And then when it comes to like, you know that that tag is coming in, and you feel it's clear, like, you should push it up to that night and feel pretty comfortable going for it. Fear isn't exactly something that crosses your mind, when you're playing J side, I think a lot of that comes down to like, before the game or like, even when you're practicing. But like when you're playing, it's like crazy how your lizard brain takes over, you stop thinking about everything, and you're just like this crazy flow state that you get into when you're playing the game. So on that scale, I'd say you'd want to ride it around like a six and then ramp it up to about a nine and be able to be able to almost like turn that brain off and like trust your training, and be able to react for false.
Nick VinZant 26:02
Is it harder, though than it? Is it harder easier than it looks?
Rob Schihl 26:05
It's really, it's a lot harder than it looks. Because until you been on the quad. And you get stuck behind equipment, you sometimes don't understand how hard it is to tag someone when they're like, five inches away from you. There's sometimes like, you'll be like watching it and you're like, Oh, why don't they just like tagged in there. And it's like, funny how when you're standing up in order to like, say you're on top of equipment, and there's someone right next you on the floor, you have to like squat down to tag them. And you can't squat faster than gravity. And so there's a lot of times where like, you're really close, but it's like almost impossible to tag them still. So there's a lot of times where when you're watching, it's hard to understand those little pieces, or just the element of like, if you're trying to reach through something your body is gonna be touching like very hard steel. So I think that is like one of the biggest shocks when people like get onto the quad. They're like, Oh, this isn't soft foam noodles. Like this is like hard steel that like you're playing around. So I think that's the hardest part is like the size trying to like actually understand the size of the quad when you're watching it and then actually recognize like how hard it is to commit to a tag when you're in the midst of those runs. Oh,
Nick VinZant 27:18
for the team, when you're talking about a team competition, is it better to have a good chaser or a good evader.
Rob Schihl 27:27
So that was one of our main focuses going into the last cops was we want a team of really good chasers, we don't really we didn't care too much about evading that kind of came secondary. And so we we kind of leaned into our previous Chase, or speed parkour training for that side, but put most of our focus into like really good tagging, we figured if we had really a team of solid tigers, that there's almost no one that could like beat that. So we focused on the initial before the later. And then that evading kind of some of our people on our team are just like really good at evading. And that's one of those pieces that just kind of, we didn't practice as much, we just focus a lot on the chasing element that makes sense,
Nick VinZant 28:10
even to somebody who knows nothing about it like myself, right? Like, if it's harder to chase somebody, you'd rather have that. And then the evading seems like that would just come along with it.
Rob Schihl 28:21
And then way the way the scores work as well, like you can't, you can't evade unless you tag. And so that was kind of the stacking of that. And so we're we're just focused a lot more on really good tagging techniques, and just weird calm traps, where you have like, basically, and you can't get out of it, where you had them trapped in the corner. And you've got a way of kind of bouncing back and forth and you're constantly getting closer, but they're not getting an opportunity to get out. So we call those traps where you've got someone stuck in the corner and they can't get out. And so if you got a really good trap and you know how to trap then you can probably identify when someone's doing traps to you. So that was
Nick VinZant 29:06
it really does sound like athletic chess, like you got you're trying to catch you're trying to catch a king and you got to position the other stuff to catch the king. Um, yep. What country maybe not the best because you guys are the champions. But what country would you say like this is the most popular in this country.
Rob Schihl 29:26
This team blacklist from France. They're absolutely like bonkers on the quad. They've been they've been coached by one of the founders of parkour Sebastian folk on and so they have a really good team dynamic. And then one of the other teams is fat team fat from so it'd be kind of a little bit all over but they're they're from London. And they've gotten just like these like young gun kids that are just absolutely crazy athletes and so they don't train Too much of Chase tag, but they train a lot of parkour. And that correlates really, really well into it. And so that was one of our biggest competitors at the last competition was just this team called Team fat, where they're just like crazy fast athletes that have very good perception to the sides, like they can be doing a challenge, but also be like, fixated and looking at you while they're doing like this, like massive jump and precision. So yeah, I would say that the blacklist guys and team fat are some of the biggest competitors,
Nick VinZant 30:30
what animal would be best at this sport?
Rob Schihl 30:36
This animal that's a tough want to say a monkey, but monkeys are not fast.
Nick VinZant 30:42
Oh, that's right.
Rob Schihl 30:45
I don't think I'm gonna get you to get probably like a cat at some sort. Some maybe like a Jaguar or like a, like a leopard, something that can like, because like those things can climb trees to take falls. So I would imagine those things coming around the quad and being able to crawl underneath and like have that speed. Probably pretty scary. I have a small dog and we would chase her around on the quad. And she would run around underneath all the bars and stuff. And we have like a small cat that would also play with her. So we had to buy a dog and cat playing around on the quad. And watching the cat move is I think that the cats would have a little bit more advantage.
Nick VinZant 31:23
That's what I was originally thinking would be like one of those little lemur monkeys. But then once you started talking, I thought maybe mountain lion like a mountain lion. That would be scary as hell yeah.
Rob Schihl 31:35
Like a bobcat. Yeah.
Nick VinZant 31:37
Oh, there's the next evolution of it. There's the next evolution of world Chase tag, unleashing a bobcat into the quad. Everybody run with it live. Um, that's pretty much all the questions I got, man, what's kind of coming up next for you.
Rob Schihl 31:56
That's coming up next is we're trying to get our quad that's in my backyard right now and try to get that indoors. So that's kind of one of the main things that we're trying to get get done over this next year. So we can prepare for the next worlds, which will be in October. So we'll be going to London. We'll be starting to gear up for that here soon. But yeah, we're mostly trying to get get some property and get get that thing underneath the roof.
Nick VinZant 32:19
I want to thank Rob so much for joining us. If you want to connect with him. We have linked to him on our social media accounts. We're Profoundly Pointless on Twitter, tick tock, YouTube and Instagram. And we've also included his information in the episode description. The YouTube video of this interview is going to be up on Thursday, March 23. And if you want to see what this sport is really like, seeing it, it's impressive, it is really impressive. Okay, now let's go ahead and bring in John Shaw and get to the pointless part of the show. Where do you feel like you peaked? elementary, middle or high school like which one of those was probably suited you best?
John Shull 33:10
I guess I'll just say high school. I feel like I probably peaked in high school though. I would say as a as a as a man, I probably peaked around 27.
Nick VinZant 33:21
That seems like kind of early for a man to peak. I think that you really want to peak probably in your 40s would be the goal. 40s or 50s, I think is when you want to peak as a person. And then you can ride that peak down into your sunset years,
John Shull 33:39
elementary school doesn't count. So that gets thrown out the window. Maybe you peak in junior, junior high if you have to pick one of those three options. But I don't think so I think high school because you're getting you know, you're you're in that that stage where you're probably dating somebody or having fun. Whether you're into sports or into the chess club, you know, but you're just you're just creating your own identity. I think that's very important.
Nick VinZant 34:08
I think middle school were my best years. I would say that's where like I was the most at home was in middle school, right? Like you got some responsibility. But you don't really have a lot of responsibility. You can kind of still be a kid. It's not those goofy years where you're just freshman and sophomore in high school. I'm gonna say seventh grade was probably my best place like if I had to go back to school years. I would go back to seventh grade
John Shull 34:37
God no, but if I did go back for I go back to my junior year I think of high school. That was yeah, my so good year to Yeah, I think most people will tell you maybe their freshman or sophomore year they peak. I think your junior year is when you're, you know, because then after you're like oh hell yeah. I have one year of school left, and then who knows what's gonna happen?
Nick VinZant 35:05
I would say if it was high school, I probably peaked my June but in between my junior and senior year that summer, I would look back on the summer between junior and senior year is probably the best year. Like, oh, that's a good year for you. I have another question for you. This is a listener submitted question from Christian. And it's one of those things that I think that you react immediately in a certain way to it. And then you think about it, and it becomes a much better question. If you were to draw a picture of fire, what color would you make the fire? Would you make it red? Or would you make it orange?
John Shull 35:38
I made my I mean, I kind of if you hadn't prefaced it with what you said about reacting one way, I would have just said read
Nick VinZant 35:46
that. So immediately what I picture fire as if I was going to draw a picture of fire, it would be red, although in my mind, I do think of it as orange. But I wouldn't color it orange, I would color it red, even though I think of it as orange.
John Shull 36:02
This all stems to the Sun comment on the top five last week, which there was a lot of people who had a lot of opinions, and apparently a lot of our listeners that I'm going to offend right now. I'm sorry for that. Our scientists and our sonologist The sun is yellow, get over it.
Nick VinZant 36:21
The sun is not yellow, the sun is white, you could literally google it right now. And the first answer that comes up when you Google, what color is the sun is white. I am always fascinated by the number of people who comment on things, not related to our posts, because we don't usually post on that kind of stuff. But the number of people who comment on things, when a simple two second Google search would have showed that they were completely wrong. Right.
John Shull 36:49
But I'm prepared to go down on the ship. I understand. Like I get it, that the sun is actually not yellow, but in my mind, it's yellow.
Nick VinZant 36:58
Do you get in arguments with people online?
John Shull 37:02
No, it actually, I don't think I ever have. I've always stayed away from it. Maybe it's because of being in the media myself and knowing that it doesn't matter. If someone is taking the time to criticize or ridicule or just troll you then it doesn't matter. They want you to respond.
Nick VinZant 37:23
I'm a fan have a good trolling. If it's kind of an obvious trolling and can be funny to people. I'm just fascinated people who just like comment, like wrong.
John Shull 37:33
On occasion, when I do respond to things and I do it on my phone, though I'll misspell something, and it'll just be completely wrong and I won't catch it. And then somebody will be like, Oh, you don't know the difference between they there they are. Like it's, well you got me even though it's spell checks fault.
Nick VinZant 37:52
I do hate it when that happens to me, but I do like to point it out to other people. It's like an automatic wind card. If somebody spells that they're wrong, it's just like you automatically whatever their argument could possibly be. You could be arguing with the head of NASA about space, but if they use the wrong they're like you have won that argument.
John Shull 38:13
It really is a drop the mic GAME OVER moment if you
Nick VinZant 38:16
game over grammar is game over.
John Shull 38:20
All right, let's give speaking of grammar. Let's give some shout outs Shelly. We'll start off with the easy and easy one here. Noah Hale. Appreciate it was
Nick VinZant 38:31
almost named Noah. My mama was named me no.
John Shull 38:34
Oh, well, that's great. I guess. Clark
Nick VinZant 38:37
now you know. Now you know that. Oh, boy. In his setting in
John Shull 38:47
and everyone out there is like what? Why are you listening to this? Marcus, or Lucien? Blaze? Marcus
Nick VinZant 38:55
is my son's middle name. Marcus is my youngest son's middle name. Alright, well, I almost got through two names. Let's see if I can tie in all the shout outs to somehow being about me.
John Shull 39:06
You're not going to get this next one. You won't be able to you ready? Let's
Nick VinZant 39:09
hear it. Let's hear Hi era
John Shull 39:11
Charlotte.
Nick VinZant 39:15
I once drove through Charlotte, Illinois, or Charlotte, North Carolina. Vintage Charlotte great city. Keep them coming.
John Shull 39:23
I love how we just just rip these names. Is her actual people that listen and follow
Nick VinZant 39:29
me. Thank you appreciate them very much. We do we really appreciate anybody. I listen. I always you'll respond to people.
John Shull 39:36
Lydia Sutton.
Nick VinZant 39:40
Lydia, Lydia Sutton, India. I don't personally know anyone named Lydia or Sutton.
John Shull 39:51
I know a son. I knew I know two sons and I know Alinea. So I'll carry us on that one.
Nick VinZant 39:58
I don't actually know to be People who are not related that have the same last name. Like I don't know, two different Smith's or two different people with the same last name that are not related.
John Shull 40:13
Oh, man, I I mean, just thinking off the top of my head. I know several Andersons that aren't related. I know a couple of surprisingly enough Bruce's with the last name of Bruce, that are not related. Johnson's another one.
Nick VinZant 40:35
I don't know anybody. I can't think of a single two people I know that have a same last name. But aren't related. I can't think of a single person. Not even like a Smith or a Roberts or other really common last names. Okay. All right. Well, let's try. Let's try so many people.
John Shull 40:57
Let's try this one. Grant some bird.
Nick VinZant 41:00
I do know two people I know to Thomas's. I know a Logan Thomas and a Reuben Thomas who are not related. Sorry, I ran over that shout out. Okay. It was really excited. Grant
John Shull 41:10
Sandberg, Aubrey Dallas, Isaac crankies. And just for you, we're going to end on another Noah. Noah karalis.
Nick VinZant 41:23
Okay, so grant, is my brother in law's last name? What was the other ones? Trying to make these all about me?
John Shull 41:32
Let's say we had a Isaac.
Nick VinZant 41:35
Isaac was a good friend of mine who passed away from cancer recently.
John Shull 41:39
Well, I'm, I'm sorry to hear that. And then we ended we ended on a another Noah.
Nick VinZant 41:48
Again, I was almost named Noah. But my mom thought it was too bad. Because people would say Do you know of VinZant?
John Shull 41:56
She was like, no. Oh.
Nick VinZant 42:01
Nicely done. Nicely done.
John Shull 42:03
I appreciate that. I actually just made that up. Um, you know what I was told this past weekend. That was good. And it was good, that I should try out for like an open mic night that I would be funny. This person thinks.
Nick VinZant 42:18
Hmm. Would you have the courage to do that, though?
John Shull 42:24
You know, I think I would, however, I think I would not be funny at all. Because I, in my opinion. Like, I think I'm a pretty witty smart guy around my friends around co workers. But getting up in front of an I'll be liberal here. You know, 50 people? I don't know. I think it's very hard. It's a lot harder than I think comedians get the credit for.
Nick VinZant 42:50
Would you be more comfortable with people you knew in the audience or go to like a different city and do it?
John Shull 42:59
I think if you know, I fall into the trap. I'm kind of making this a long answer. So I'm sorry. But I I fall into the trap of if my friends are near you tell stories just about you and your friends. And other people may not find those funny. I think I'd rather try just to know, a group of random people first.
Nick VinZant 43:19
Yeah, you should go try it just go out into the boonies of Michigan.
John Shull 43:23
Alright, well, let's let's see how you handle these. These bangers that I have for you here. When you become an old man and old crusty Van Zandt? Which one of these would you rather have fugly teeth? Hairy ears, or super bushy eyebrows?
Nick VinZant 43:44
Hairy ears because I can easily just trim that stuff up and I generally see my ears every day. So I would go with hairy ears. What would you do?
John Shull 43:53
I think I just did the bushy eyebrows. I mean I kind of have them now to a certain degree. I mean, I be no different seem.
Nick VinZant 43:59
It seems easier though to trim up ears than it would be to trim up eyebrows a little bit riskier. I mean, you make a mistake with those eyebrows man you could be looking pretty strange. It's fairly easy to trim your ears up and he just came on this trimmer is just rude.
John Shull 44:13
Have you ever I mean have you ever seen Yeah, well, it's not that easy. I mean the hair grows in the ear grows obviously in the outer part of the ear. It's it sucks it's not
Nick VinZant 44:25
Do you have to trim your ears?
John Shull 44:28
No, but my grandfather does and his hair his ear hair gets even worse because he has hearing aids so like then the hair has nowhere to go so it'll just become like a gigantic ball behind his ear. Yeah, I
Nick VinZant 44:44
don't want to think of have you trimmed his ears for him?
John Shull 44:47
I have not no I have I have not
Nick VinZant 44:49
listened let's let's move on. Alright, good. Well, yeah, let's move Yeah,
John Shull 44:53
all you young people. That's what you have to look forward to. That's great as, as that is All right, so kind of going along with our top five, which we'll get to, obviously in a few minutes. would say you're on the playground, would you? Would you rather have been the maybe you were one of these, the first kid picked? Or the last kid picked for a game?
Nick VinZant 45:19
Well, I think you'd rather be the first kid picked because the last kid picked is usually you know, not just a reflection of their athletic ability. But you're probably not like even getting like a courtesy pick. Which I think that I, I was genuinely picked, like maybe second or between second and fifth. But I think some of that was like a courtesy pick.
John Shull 45:41
What why a courtesy pick,
Nick VinZant 45:43
was like friends with the team captain. Right? Like, oh, we'll get him at least he's nice. He's might not be as good as that other kid. But like, as well, like that kid, right? Like, so why would you want why would you not want to be picked? First? Why would you want to be picked last?
John Shull 45:58
I mean, I sometimes be sometimes when you don't look the part and your pick last and you just dominate everybody. It's the it's the greatest feeling. If you want to talk about peaking as a child, that's a peaking moment right there.
Nick VinZant 46:14
Where you picked last a lot.
John Shull 46:17
Only for the athletic sports.
Nick VinZant 46:21
Does it haunt does it still haunts you to this day?
John Shull 46:25
No, no, the only thing that actually it doesn't haunt me. Now. One thing that bothers me as I always like to play basketball, but if you know me, you know that I don't have a basketball body at all. I'm like a pair. I've gained weight over the years, like whatever. So I would always get pic little no matter even if I was in shape, or was a good football player or whatever. At the time. I would always get big laughs because I'm not very tall. And I'm not you know, I just don't look like a basketball player. Man. If I got on the court, I was throwing elbows. And I was taking shots trouble. Yeah. So if I made a shot, you know, the thing is, is I you know, I played the part of the clown because obviously, that's probably what I was the most of those those people play basketball.
Nick VinZant 47:12
I would say something. But I mean, I feel like that was a genuine moment of reflection, and you know, some childhood trauma that was coming up.
John Shull 47:19
All right, let's see what the masses picked for us today. Oh, boy, it's a tie. All right, well, let's, let's get these two out of the way. So on our Twitter page, every
Nick VinZant 47:30
day, you take whatever the people picked and say, let's get it out of the way. I think we could have a little bit more respect to him as
John Shull 47:37
well. There's four choices and you can vote usually go up on Mondays when we record this. And let's see. The one thing I really wanted to talk about didn't win, which was the seaweed blob. That's heading for Florida. Apparently, it's like a five mile wide layer of seaweed that just coming for the coast of Florida. Let's see. One of the things that did when were you a good burger fan growing up.
Nick VinZant 48:04
I only remember the line. Welcome to good burger, home of the good burger. But I have never seen that movie nor had any desire to ever see that movie. No point in my mind. Did I ever think I'm going to watch a good burger. But I may have missed something that wasn't of my generation. I think I was like aging out of that phase.
John Shull 48:24
Well, now you can. You can. You can watch the first and the sequel. Good. Burger two is going to be on Paramount plus, probably in the next. I don't know. Two, three years, however long it takes. I will say this looking up. Who is it? Kenan Thompson and Kel Mitchell. Kenan Thompson definitely got the better end of that career. I think
Nick VinZant 48:46
there's always whenever there's a group, there's always one that gets the better end of the career. You can see that from like, I think it was called Kenan and Kel. The two of them. You can see it in Flight of the Conchords. Even like Key and Peele. One one person always does a little bit better. Key and Peele are probably the two that like, Oh, they're the most they're the closest where both of them have been pretty successful. Like Simon and Garfunkel, man. Paul Simon went way ahead. Garfunkel dropped off the map. There's always one that does a lot better very rarely did they have comparable careers after they split up
John Shull 49:24
like Casey and Jojo. What happened either of those guys who, who? Casey and Jojo. Got it? All right, well, what one
Nick VinZant 49:39
are Casey and Jojo. But what was Casey and Jojo?
John Shull 49:43
Late 90s. They had a song called all my life. It was played everywhere for about a year and a half.
Nick VinZant 49:50
Okay, it's just not where I was living. Yeah.
John Shull 49:54
That's not surprised me by the cars where you live. All right. So The other topic that one so Miami Beach spring break. Apparently Miami Beach wants to cancel spring break because of all the hooligans that have happened down there and just and we're just starting spring break it goes from like now until obviously the middle of April. They've had two fatal shootings looting a variety crowds. So beyond that, because you know, people who listen to us know we don't get too serious. What's what's the best place you've ever spring spring break at?
Nick VinZant 50:37
Spring? I've never done it. Spring broke. I don't know, spring broke out, I think. I think he would say spring broke out. I have never gone on a spring break trip. I never went on one. Anything that was kind of the thing that everybody did was always things that I didn't do.
John Shull 50:54
And that surprises nobody that you would say that.
Nick VinZant 50:58
Once, once everybody's talking about something and doing something that I just kind of lose interest in it. It's like the movie Avatar, or Titanic once suddenly becomes really or Ted Laszlo, Laszlo, whatever his name is, once something becomes really popular, I just, I lose all interest in it.
John Shull 51:16
Last oh, by the way, and that's a fantastic show. Not I'm not gonna say it's one of the greatest I've ever seen, like others have or will, but it's worth a watch. And it's not it's half an hour episodes. It's good not watching
Nick VinZant 51:29
it. Not interested. Now.
John Shull 51:32
I know you won't. But it's, you know, whatever. Can we move on to our top five? No,
Nick VinZant 51:38
I don't feel bad for any of those kinds of places that advertise things like you don't get to pick and choose what you get. If you want to be a tourist destination, you can't say hey, everybody come for this a wherever you don't come. No, it's either all or nothing.
John Shull 51:55
Right? Yeah.
Nick VinZant 51:58
Okay, all right. Are you ready for our top five?
John Shull 52:00
I wasn't gonna contribute your old man rant anymore there.
Nick VinZant 52:05
Okay, so our top five is top five childhood games. What's your number five,
John Shull 52:10
man and there's so many by the way analyze. So I know I'm gonna miss some but I'm gonna start off my number five with Capture the Flag. Hmm.
Nick VinZant 52:21
The only thing I would have against Capture the Flag, it was usually too hard of a game to organize. Like, it took a little bit more involvement than I was generally willing to put into play Capture the Flag because you needed to have like the right geographic location. You needed to have a number of people you needed to have something that was like a flag. I enjoyed that game when playing it but it was not a frequently played game.
John Shull 52:46
What's your number five
Nick VinZant 52:48
Sharks and Minnows okay, I love Sharks and Minnows, Sharks and Minnows was a great time. Everybody likes Sharks and Minnows.
John Shull 53:00
I have to tell you I'm not that versed in Sharks and Minnows Do you want to explain a little bit of what it is?
Nick VinZant 53:07
Sharks and Minnows could be one of those games that other people call it something else? Sharks and Minnows was the pool game where you had to like get from one side to the other.
John Shull 53:16
Oh, right. Okay. i Yeah, I got you.
Nick VinZant 53:19
What did you call it?
John Shull 53:21
I don't I don't recall calling it anything. It was just hey, you try to get to this side or I'm gonna tackle your ass in the water. Maybe elbow you in the face, Ryan.
Nick VinZant 53:30
I do have a friend of a friend of mine, Jason Valentine. We once played Sharks and Minnows and we played for way too long. And he was standing outside for two hours with his back turned to the sun and he burned quite badly. Never came over for decent Valentine. And his head was shaped like a block. So blockhead
John Shull 53:51
Jason, the blockheads, Ballantine.
Nick VinZant 53:54
Yep. All right, number four.
John Shull 53:56
So this this might be this is a personal favorite of mine, but musical chairs, but not like little kid musical chairs. I remember playing musical chairs, maybe in the sixth seventh grade, where you are going at it with other kids trying to get you know, on the chairs, I mean, you're tackling, you're hitting, you're punching. So, you know, I'm gonna say like, middle school, musical chairs.
Nick VinZant 54:24
I was more of a fan of Duck Duck Goose than musical chairs. So if I had that's why I didn't put musical chairs on my list because I had a choice between musical chairs and duck duck, goose. I was gonna go with Duck Duck Goose, because you always had that one kid that you could just really whack on the head.
John Shull 54:41
Right? Yeah, you're looking
Nick VinZant 54:42
at who's wham O I was you. Yeah.
John Shull 54:46
Or Hey, show, do the rope climb. And the P teacher knew I wasn't going to be able to get off the ground and he still did it anyways. So
Nick VinZant 54:54
yeah. You seem like you were tormented as John
John Shull 54:58
fucking shipper. That guy It was Anyways,
Nick VinZant 55:01
my number four is freeze tag. In my opinion, the best of the tag related games is freeze tag.
John Shull 55:07
So I actually I don't have tag on my list. Not on my top five.
Nick VinZant 55:12
I could see that I wouldn't put, I wouldn't put tag above. Third. Honestly, I feel lame, but it's a little simple.
John Shull 55:21
Well, and I feel like it's one of those games where it's fun for about five minutes and then you know, the fast kid is gonna win every time.
Nick VinZant 55:33
Yeah, that was the difficulty there was always a certain kid that was going to win. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of like, it's not mixing it up there. She number three then.
John Shull 55:41
So we're gonna go into the pool for this one. Marco Polo.
Nick VinZant 55:47
Hmm. I have Marco Polo higher on the list. I think Marco Polo is a little bit better of a game than where you have it in number three. All right, number three is hide and seek. Okay, game, great game, but can wear on you pretty quickly.
John Shull 56:05
So that was a that was another game that I was like, is it top five? It's yeah, but like kind of what you said, it wears on you. And before you know what it's like. You go hide, I'm never gonna find you. I'm just gonna go you know, eat something.
Nick VinZant 56:21
The only thing the only the only thing that I wonder about Hide and Seek because then if we weren't parents, if we would have put hide and seek a little bit higher, because I've played hide and seek with both of my two children, which generally consisted of me just standing obviously behind a small tree and waiting 20 minutes for them to find me. So my enthusiasm for Hide and Seek has been tampered down more than potentially other people who are not parents. So that'd be a question to the audience.
John Shull 56:50
It's funny. Remember to parachute?
Nick VinZant 56:56
What fancy school did you go to where you had parachute? I didn't go to a kid.
John Shull 57:02
I went to a public school. Just like
Nick VinZant 57:05
right with parachutes.
John Shull 57:08
Okay, first off, if you don't know what the what the game is, it's literally just a gigantic game. It's just a giant sheet that you flip in the air and you try to either get under it or get out of it before it comes down. It's it's just fun. I don't know how to explain it.
Nick VinZant 57:23
I wish I lived in a place that had sheets and a parachute in my school. I actually I do think I remember playing that. Yeah, I do remember actually being kind of fun.
John Shull 57:33
Yeah, it's very fun.
Nick VinZant 57:38
Marco Polo is my number two. Oh, okay. Hmm. I think Marco Polo is the best waterbased came?
John Shull 57:45
I would. Yeah, I would absolutely agree with you on that. Plus, it was just so much fun to be right next to the person and say, you know, polo, are here, Polo. And then you just turn around and just, you know,
Nick VinZant 57:57
what was your go to strategy for Marco Polo?
John Shull 58:01
How well, I was a bigger kid. And water didn't treat me very well. So I would usually just
Nick VinZant 58:09
I just the whole episode is rough for you.
John Shull 58:12
I don't know how else to say this other than you know, you have your eyes closed. Obviously. You say Marco they say Polo. And as soon as I would hear bull, I would just jump in that direction and hopefully land on somebody.
Nick VinZant 58:25
What's your number one then?
John Shull 58:27
Horse?
Nick VinZant 58:30
The basketball game?
John Shull 58:32
Yeah, horse or lightning? Either one i i prefer lightning. But I think horse is more. It's more universally played.
Nick VinZant 58:39
What's lightning? You're just you know, you're
John Shull 58:43
at the free throw line or wherever, wherever little kids shoot baskets. And then, you know, you have one person shoot and then the other person shoots behind them. And if they make it in before that before the kid in front, the kid in front out and then you know, it kind of just keeps going.
Nick VinZant 58:58
Oh, we played lightning. We call that 20 We call that knockout?
John Shull 59:01
Oh yeah, lightning. It's not really horse. But you know, I'm gonna say lightning as my number one. I remember that being such a fun game to play.
Nick VinZant 59:11
That is a fun game. I especially liked it when you didn't shoot the ball. You just like the person would shoot the ball and you just throw your ball into their ball. And like knock it way out of there such or like use your ball to hit their ball out of the that's strategies what that's called My number one is dodgeball.
John Shull 59:28
Okay, so, I mean, I left off kickball, I left off dodgeball, just because I didn't know if you were going to be a dick and be like, Oh, but those were kind of adult games and dribbler.
Nick VinZant 59:43
Well, I mean, I think I feel like horses a little bit of more of an adult game than dodgeball is.
John Shull 59:49
I mean, maybe but that's why I changed it to lightning.
Nick VinZant 59:53
Okay, what do you have in your honorable mention? I have a bunch.
John Shull 59:56
Yeah, so a lot of them we've already I mean freeze tag I have Uh, like bags or I don't think it's called cornhole when you're a kid but we call the bags growing up. Duck, duck goose, red light green light,
Nick VinZant 1:00:10
red light green light. And so that's, that's one that I could put up there pretty high red light green line was pretty solid,
John Shull 1:00:15
hopscotch. Crack the can hide and seek, steal the bacon. But I think we didn't call it steal bacon. I think we called like, grab the dollar or something.
Nick VinZant 1:00:30
What steal the bacon.
John Shull 1:00:32
So essentially, it's kind of you know how the best way I can describe it to make it makes sense easily is you know how when you're playing dodgeball, you have both teams lining this, they line up on one side, and then there's the balls in the middle, well steal the bacon or get the dollar is there's an item in the middle. And, you know, instead of everybody running, you designate like two people, you know, one person from each team to go. And then, you know, after each team's gone, whoever has the most dollars or the most objects wins. Which is obviously why I didn't win a whole lot. But again,
Nick VinZant 1:01:12
my honorable mention ones you didn't mention. Red Rover, which basically just ended up two people running into each other.
John Shull 1:01:21
I don't know if I've ever played Red Rover,
Nick VinZant 1:01:23
Red Rover, Red Rover, send somebody right over and you got to try to run through a bunch of people holding hands. I don't know if you can still do that. In today's school. It's actually like kind of a violent game that like even kids who liked violent games are like, I don't know if I want to play that. That gets pretty intense. Because you're basically trying to run people over um, we call it a
Unknown Speaker 1:01:43
crack the whip. Oh, what's that?
Nick VinZant 1:01:47
That's where you like run around in a circle all holding hands and then whoever can no longer hold on gets tossed into the oblivion and then you just keep going. Like it creates a lot of like, I don't know G force tension or whatever the right phrase would be the only other one that I was surprised we didn't have on there. With Simon Says. Which Yeah, he is. I don't like that game. I've never enjoyed Simon Says.
John Shull 1:02:17
Yeah, I mean, I don't recall playing it as a kid. I mean, I went to a very nice private elementary school. All I did was play parachute the entire time.
Nick VinZant 1:02:26
Ah, okay, that's gonna go ahead and do it for this episode of Profoundly Pointless. I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, like, subscribe, leave us a rating or review doesn't have to be a big thing. Just a couple of quick words. It really helps us out. We have started putting more and more episodes up on YouTube. So if you want to watch the show and not just listen to it, we have that available and let us know what you think are some of the best childhood games. I was certainly surprised by horse. I mean, it's fun. But I don't think it's like those other games. Surprise that Simon Says wasn't on either of our list. Not because it's a good game, but because it's just it's iconic. But let us know what you think are some of the best childhood games