Lopati Leaso is one of the best Fire Knife Dancers in the World. But that title comes with a cost. Three years ago he was injured so badly doctors told him he would never perform again. We talk Fire Knife Dancing, performing with a warrior’s spirit and representing Samoan culture. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Ad Jingles.

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Lopati Leaso: Fire Knife Dancer

Nick VinZant 0:12

Welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant. Coming up in this episode, fire knife dancing, and the best ad jingles.

Lopati Leaso 0:21

As a mindset when I'm on stage, I don't even look at it as a stage, I look at it as a battlefield. And the audience is the enemy, my fate whole face caught on fire. And I was left with like, third and second degree burns like all over the place, I look at the knife as a dance partner. And both you have to work equally, to create something. It's not just the knife, just dancing. It's not just you just dancing, it's both you that's dancing, that works in harmony, you're not just holding the knife, you're holding the country of Saudi oil in your hands, and how you represent it.

Nick VinZant 0:58

I want to thank you so much for joining us. If you get a chance, subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We really appreciate it, it really helps out the show. If you're a new listener, thanks so much for joining us. If you're a longtime listener, we really appreciate the support. So our first guest is one of the best fire knife dancers in the world. But that is a title that has come at a cost. Because just a few years ago, he was injured so badly. Doctors told him he should never perform again. This is fire knife dancer, low potty Leon so when I first look at this, it looks dangerous. Is it dangerous? Oh,

Lopati Leaso 1:43

yes. I used to post my injuries all the time. Now as a bragging, right, but it's just like just another day at the office type of thing. But uh, back in 2019 and February was probably like my worst accident ever. And that's my fate whole face caught on fire. Now I was left with like, third and second degree burns like all over the place in my on my lips in my nose, my ears, my fingers are all messed up. Everything else has been like burns here burns, air cuts here. Really nothing broken hand and stuff like that.

Nick VinZant 2:22

So it's not even one of those things that like, it looks dangerous. But in reality, like it's not really dangerous. This is like, Oh, you really got to know what you're doing.

Lopati Leaso 2:32

It's no, it's extremely dangerous. Even just practicing just normal. I've had injuries, just doing that with fractured fingers and stuff. Because the thing we're spinning, it's not like a torture baton or anything. It's an actual blade at the end. That's a knife,

Nick VinZant 2:51

kind of starting at the beginning. Right? Like how did you get into this?

Lopati Leaso 2:56

It was a something my parents just kind of threw me in when I was little. I was kind of just that that little brother watching his sister do her hula classes and stuff just sitting there all bored and stuff being a drag along and they kind of just gave me something to do and said like, there's a thing called fire knife dancing and stuff. And maybe you can learn how to do it. And so I was teaching myself how to do it because I was given to I'm gonna sound really old right now. Have a tape for a VCR?

Nick VinZant 3:27

Oh, yeah, like a VHS tape. Yes. VHS. VHS? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's back in the day where you don't even remember what they're called anymore, right? No.

Lopati Leaso 3:37

But yeah, I was given a videotape of the one of the biggest luau shows in lay called the Polish culture center at the night show. And I was just trying to mimic the guy on the videotape. But I finally got to teach her when I was about 12 years old, in Buena Park, in Los, California, and I started from scratch from there and kind of just went on from there. And I was learning from my teacher. Uncle Mailloux fall from the age of 13 to 16.

Nick VinZant 4:16

Isn't that hard of a thing to master where it takes that many years to really get good at it?

Lopati Leaso 4:21

It really depends on the person I believe. And there's some that are just gifted that they can just pick it up like that and those of people I'm just like, Get out of my face. It took me years to learn how to do that. But it really does depend on the person but it takes a lot of heart and dedication and years to perfect it and it doesn't matter how professional you get or how great you get you you will always get hurt

Nick VinZant 4:54

for people who are maybe familiar what is this? Basically like when fired how Did you define fire knife dancing,

Lopati Leaso 5:02

just to give a little background on what this is this fire knife dancing comes from the islands of Samoa. And back in the olden days, this was a war club made out of wood carved from a tree. And it was a war club. So when people went into battle with different villages, they use the war club to destroy their opponents. And at the end was a hook hook shape. And the reason for that was to just kind of like, cut them wherever they can get and whatnot, and, you know, grab their legs and pull it using this war club. And what they used to do is they used to walk back to their villages, with the heads hanging from the hook of the enemies that they just destroyed. And they go back to their villages, and do this thing called the Isla, which is spinning twirling of the knife or the war club. And the way they were dancing with their war club, they're NIFA OT is how they would demonstrate how they won their battles, versus today how we, we still want that same mindset when we dance on the stage. But we're also entertaining as well with traditional and modern movements, and just as what we dance with. So this is the hook. This is what modern looks like. This is when metal was introduced to the islands. Back in the olden days, this was a wooden, big, fat wooden club with a hook on the end. But this is metal. And this is what we use today to spin. So they use this hook to grab their enemies wherever they can hang the heads on the hook and walk back to the villages and dance with them to celebrate, and to demonstrate how they won their battle.

Nick VinZant 6:55

So the for people who are maybe just listening to the only audio version of it, it basically looks like a long wooden spoon with a fish hook on the end. I mean to kind of just create a mental picture, I guess. So then the knife part is really just that hook. Right?

Lopati Leaso 7:11

Yeah, that's the only knife part of the other arc. And we call it the buttoned. And that's this end right here that's also on fire. But yeah, it's a big, long handle with a big blade knife at the end. Because we used to carve these out of machetes. So that

Nick VinZant 7:29

was a traditional weapon, but they would just use the hook part why? Why wasn't the rest of it like?

Lopati Leaso 7:35

Well, the other part, we're used to to smack over somebody's head, the hook was just used to just get like get a grip on somebody.

Nick VinZant 7:43

So when did they decide to start lighting it on fire?

Lopati Leaso 7:47

So kind of fast forwarding for things. All the violence and war stopped between islands when Christianity came around, and was introduced the island. And it took a man named Freddy literally, from American sophomore who came over to the US in San Francisco. And he got the idea back in 1946. He got the idea when he saw a baton twirler and a Hindu fire river or eater at a talent show. Because back in those days in the 1940s they were just spending just a knife no fire just the blade itself and show how dangerous it was and whatnot. But he got the idea from watching these other acts and so that I believe it was that night that he decided to just grab towel, whatever fuel he can find and attach it to his knife and light it up and and the rest is history pretty much if you can

Nick VinZant 8:49

show me that again. Like Like, how are you keeping it on fire? Like how does it How does it work? What is what is it made out of?

Lopati Leaso 8:56

So a lot of people use different things, some use towels. Some use Cavalia. This is what we call soundboard, oddly enough, and you can get this at Home Depot or Lowe's. Depending what your case is for for hardware stores. And there's wire right here that we wired in. And this is we cut it to this shape to our liking to match the

Nick VinZant 9:18

blade. And the other end is kind of

Lopati Leaso 9:22

it's it's out of the same material. We just cut it differently into certain circles become donuts.

Nick VinZant 9:27

Is this still a mainstay in a lot of cultures?

Lopati Leaso 9:31

Oh yeah. Because of the men Friday literally deliver to the family. This has gone I think probably even more than they expected to where it's in The Lion King Show in Orlando, Florida on the animal kingdom. It's in circus Olay it's it's been in commercials and stuff like that. I've I've had the honor and privilege to share it with the world as well with you With TV shows and the news and stuff like documentaries, so this has been passed around

Nick VinZant 10:08

a lot. Is it a dance? Is it a performance? Is it a martial art? Like what what kind of category would it fit into? I guess

Lopati Leaso 10:17

I would say all the above because it's a martial arts and it is a dance. It's a war dance to

Nick VinZant 10:25

the thing that like look I'm not familiar intimately with with this threat, but it necessarily like I always think of the haka, or the is it hockey haka? Yes. Yes, haka. Okay. The problem is, I've been watching, I don't know if you know what one piece is, but I've been watching one piece, and it's hockey. And so I'm, I'm always like, Oh, wait, no, wait. So now does that does this go along with the haka, are those two completely different things.

Lopati Leaso 10:51

So those are for two different islands. Far enough dancing is from someone. And then haka is from Aotearoa, New Zealand. But it's, in a way, it's kind of the same, it is award dance, and haka was originally used to do to terminate their opponents to show Hey, this is what we're going to do to you. This is how we're going to destroy you. And if they brought fear into their opponent, the battle would not actually happen. But haka back then was to express warfare and what they were going to do to their opponent, and how they were going to defeat them.

Nick VinZant 11:27

Were you any good before you gotta teach her? Are we like,

Lopati Leaso 11:31

good, good in my eyes? In my mom's eyes.

That sounds like a real life. No. Right? Like, no, it's, it's, it's a soft, no. Well, I was improving.

It was in the latter stages of my journey.

Nick VinZant 11:54

So then, like, what is it? Are there certain moves that you do? Or is it just kind of, you're just expressing yourself how you express yourself.

Lopati Leaso 12:05

Um, we do have set routines. For those of us that want routines, there's people that freestyle, but when you intern like competition stuff, we all have set routines there, there's certain moves that are that you have to do that are required when you compete and whatnot. And that's pretty much the just the traditional stuff, the traditional moves, old school moves from the Oh, geez, back in the day, and how you dance and body language with your stopping of the fee, getting real loud and stuff like that showing that warrior spirit, when you're on stage, as you are in a battle. So for me personally, as a mindset, when I'm on stage, I don't even look at it as a stage, I look at it as a battlefield. And the audience is the enemy. And my best way is to get that showmanship and warrior spirit out to bring this character alive. And in a way it is expressing myself through joy, and love and passion for what I do. And like, hey, this I'm here. I'm going to I'm about to show you guys how much I love and respect this dance

Nick VinZant 13:15

that some of the like the traditional moves going

Lopati Leaso 13:17

around the neck and stuff like that, spinning it under the legs over the wrist tossing and catching it behind the back, you know, just along with body language and motion because I look at the knife as a dance partner and both you have to work equally to create something it's not just the knifes just dancing it's not just you just dancing it's both of you that's dancing that works in harmony. So when you're moving with you have to move with the blade to create the illusion to make even the most simplest moves look very difficult and like that wow factor.

Nick VinZant 13:55

Is it physically demanding like what what do you need to be good at it? I guess what makes you good at it?

Lopati Leaso 14:04

I would say it is it takes it does take a lot endurance and cardio for sure. You need to be healthy because if you're not that healthy and you're spinning this thing at lightning speed, your hearts gonna be pumping like crazy and stuff and where you feel like you're gonna have a heart attack or something.

Nick VinZant 14:19

I would imagine coordination is fairly like are you fairly coordinated person? Like more than other people?

Lopati Leaso 14:26

I would say so but sometimes I'm not too coordinated. It's the weirdest thing like I can I have balanced but then I don't at times at the most random times I don't have good balance. But yeah, I'm pretty coordinated i It has given me good reflexes stuff and I can see like stuff in the corner of my eyes, let alone I don't really have the best vision but side vision I have because there's some times we have to toss and catch it where we're spinning to at the same time where our focus is on this angle, but we haven't I overhear that spinning too. So we have to have that aside visions know when to catch it. I was 14 years old. Back in 2006, I competed in my first competition in Anaheim.

Nick VinZant 15:11

Did you do well right away? Or was it a real struggle?

Lopati Leaso 15:14

I did well in my eyes. I mean, it was my first competition and I was competing against kids that were doing it like when they were in diapers. Like, right when they came out of the womb, they were already given like a stick and knife to play with. I was a late bloomer, late

Nick VinZant 15:33

bloomer. But when, when would you say that you like, Oh, I'm, I'm really, when did you figure out that like, Oh, I'm really good at this,

Lopati Leaso 15:40

I would probably say when people started actually noticing it. Because I'm not someone myself. And so get receiving that respect from the main people, the Samoan culture and stuff like that. It really kind of like hey, like, I'm actually good enough to get the respect and to be noticed and be recognized. To actually be treated as one of them and to be adopted by the culture to where I end up adopting the culture

Nick VinZant 16:11

as you go going kind of through the competitions was the fact that like, you weren't Samoan did that ever hold you back to people kind of like oh, well this guy's he's one of us, so to speak.

Lopati Leaso 16:24

You you I mean, I don't want to talk bad about some someone people but I'd say around the world anywhere, you'll get those few people that are very discouraging and stuff, but for me, like I kind of feed off of that. It took gives me that push like, you know, just sit back, keep your comments to yourself for a bit and just watch. I'll get there.

Nick VinZant 16:48

Now is this Can you make a full time living off of it? Can people do that?

Lopati Leaso 16:53

You can't but it takes a certain purse dancer to be able to make a living off of this. And that's those are the ones that are really passionate about it and are driven and just don't ever even see themselves retiring. To work our shows for like circus Olay, The Lion King show enough Lando Florida, the other luau show and and at Disneyworld at the Polynesian resort to the big name Lou Elson. On the islands and

Nick VinZant 17:25

stuff. Now, is that kind of your goal or is that?

Lopati Leaso 17:33

Um, it is my goal. I'm not because yeah, it's it's a good paycheck and good health pay bills. But it's mostly like I don't see myself stopping doing this at all. I'll take this to my grave, or my ashes, whatever happens to me. But yeah, I really want this full time. And that's what drives me even more to work harder than last time is to just keep working at it.

Nick VinZant 18:02

My five minute Google search may be wrong. But now are you a national champion? You want a Big championships? Or you got first place or second place? Correct? Fill in the record for me that I'm missing.

Lopati Leaso 18:14

If it says I want champion. Thank you, Google. That's very sweet of you. But no, I have not won a championship yet. If, if that's God's will for me to win a championship and let it be if it's not, then I'm fine with

Nick VinZant 18:30

what was your most recent placing.

Lopati Leaso 18:33

I took I went to the Polish culture center this year, to compete at Worlds after being asked to do it for like, over a decade or so to compete at Worlds where all the top hard hitters go. And I finally decided to compete there because I'm not getting any younger. And it's something I wanted to do. So I competed there for the first time and I took home second place first runner up,

Nick VinZant 19:00

what makes you better than some of the people that you placed ahead of? What what did the person who won do that you did it?

Lopati Leaso 19:08

In all honesty, I don't. I don't really know. Because I wasn't even expecting to even make it to the next round. I even had plans with my girlfriend and my my brother KAPOOYA that we were just going to hang out the next day because I was like I'm not gonna make it to the next round. Let's plan to do stuff on why we're on the island and stuff. And then I made it and so I'm it hasn't even hit me from this day that I even took home second place and this happened in May this year. It just hasn't hit me because it's been such a dream and a vision of mine to even have my feet touched that stage. That it's still not real to me.

Nick VinZant 19:54

You're gonna go back again. 2023

Lopati Leaso 19:57

That's the plan. I know a lot of people are expecting me to the pressures on now. But yeah, it all comes down to how this person actually represents what someone's all about and how you handle that knife. Because you're not just holding the knife, you're holding the country of Saudi oil in your hands and how you represent it. There's some people that just it's it's sometimes to Baton looking quarterly, where it's just a bunch of fancy tricks versus the guy who's more old school and modern. So he has that mix up in it looks nice. But from mine, what I noticed is what stands out is when somebody is actually different from all the other competitors is when his his style is a lot different. It's it stands out in a good way, in a positive way.

Nick VinZant 20:54

That makes sense, right? It can't just be like, looking like somebody's just twirling a baton. It's got to look like, oh, this person could fuck you up. Right? It's gotta be like a warrior spirit to it.

Lopati Leaso 21:05

Yeah. And then he's the backstage guide. And he's like the sweetest guy ever helping everybody out with their costuming and all this stuff and everything and whatnot. But yeah, it's it's usually the meanest, most humblest unique person I've noticed from a champion. Are

Nick VinZant 21:21

you ready? For some harder slash listener submitted questions? Go for? What happens more? Do you get cut or burned?

Lopati Leaso 21:29

burned? Because even sometimes, we'll even burn ourselves on purpose.

Nick VinZant 21:34

Why are you burning yourself on purpose?

Lopati Leaso 21:38

It looks cool. But no, like, it's, it's like a cloud pleaser. So you know, I don't know if you've seen the dance already. But we put the fire on our tongue. And then we light the other side on fire. Some people like the whole death fire on their tongue for as long as I can. Because it looks impressive. Or we put the fire on our feet and try to hold it there as long as we can. Or on our hand. Because it looks impressive, like, wow, this guy's holding the fire on his hand for so long. Like, like, isn't he feeling any pain? And it's like, yes, we are. But we're used to.

Nick VinZant 22:15

Do you do anything to protect your skin? Or is it just kind of like, you just got to like, what? Protective elements? I guess do you use?

Lopati Leaso 22:25

No, none. I we don't use any, if anything if I had to guess. Myself personally, probably others just we just pray for we go. When we before we started dance and pray for that. No one else considered two

Nick VinZant 22:39

people get injured, though, or did they just get hurt? Right? And like I know, I think people understand the difference. Like oh, getting an injury is like, alright, that's serious getting hurt. You're like, alright, that just hurts.

Lopati Leaso 22:50

Well, it's both because we get hurt. But the serious injuries where people have gotten hooks through their hand that come out the other side, and their leg and stuff like that. Like I said, I've I've just I burned my whole face before where I was out for a few weeks. And I've sliced my leg open before where I had to get stitches. And I've even broken this hand dancing too. So there is a lot of risks involved.

Nick VinZant 23:20

I would imagine you learn how to do it before you set it on fire? Or do you learn how to do it while it's on fire?

Lopati Leaso 23:27

No. Well, I was I would say I was kind of rushed in it. Like once I just learned how to spin I did set on fire and stuff. But it was a little bit more safe because I was doing more safer moves. The more experience you get, the more technical you get the dangerous, it will become.

Nick VinZant 23:44

Easy move that looks hard, hard move that looks easy.

Lopati Leaso 23:51

When you do a simple move, where you make it look hard is when it falls into the whole calorie category of having body language and your stance to look like a warrior and how fast you're spinning versus somebody who's probably doing a move. That's a fancy trick. But he's just standing there doing that. Nothing no body language. It's just dead to where like, Yeah, I know how he did. Versus a guy who's doing a stomp and stuff where he has to look coordinated. Where he's dancing with the knife. It's like, and you're more wild about that. Then fancy tricks.

Nick VinZant 24:26

Is everybody pretty much doing the same things? Like is there only so many things that you can do with it? Or does every every once in a while somebody breaks out like oh, I've never even seen this?

Lopati Leaso 24:37

Yeah, you you you will get those people like I can't believe I didn't think about that. You'll get that one guy who's very creative and whatnot. But most most of the time, a lot of us do do the same thing. It kind of comes down to how he transitions from one move to the next how smooth it looks, how creative it looks, how the Warriors moving with the knife and stuff like that. Does that make

Nick VinZant 25:00

Some, yeah, that makes sense, right? Like it's style.

Lopati Leaso 25:03

That all takes accountability as well, is how you look physically and costume wise,

Nick VinZant 25:11

you know, like other sports or other things that are kind of physically based, right? Is this something that you can only do it for so long? The oh

Lopati Leaso 25:18

geez that I've seen today. That spin, obviously can't spin as they used to, but they still they still dance to some degree. And if they don't, they teach it. They teach it, they pass down their teachings to their students and stuff. But there is some out there that have been dancing this before I was even born, that are still doing this. And even running their own luau shows and stuff.

Nick VinZant 25:44

What and when you get burned, what end do you usually get burned by the pointy end or the non pointy end,

Lopati Leaso 25:52

it can be a mixture of both, it's most likely where the blade is up. Because when you spin the knife, you have to spin it a certain way. You have to always have the knife facing up, you can never have a face and down. Because again, this is a weapon. And so when you're holding a weapon, you have to hold the weapon right side up. It's almost like you wouldn't be pointing a gun with the with the gun facing you, you would have facing the your enemy. So when you toss and catch it, you have to catch it with the blade up. There's probably like 10%, where the knife will be upside down. But that's when you're going into a transition where the knife goes face and right side up at the end of the move. But yeah, it would mostly be the blade and where we get burned. Because that's the side that's up the most.

Nick VinZant 26:44

Who is there? Like who's the Michael Jordan slash LeBron James, this? Is there somebody that university like, oh, that's the best ever.

Lopati Leaso 26:53

There is there is a guy. If you I'm pretty sure if you ask Google who's the best fire knife dancer in the world, I guarantee he'll pop up his name is Mika la Allah. He lives right on the island. And he is a five time world champion, which is the record for foreign champions. I believe all competitions all together, he's probably 118 of them 18 or 19. And he runs a school called manga Moo. In Hawaii. What makes

Nick VinZant 27:28

him so much better than everybody else.

Lopati Leaso 27:33

It's it's his style, and how he presents himself. He's created a lot of moves that are not to outside of fire knife dancing. But he's created a lot of moves that people are doing now today to I wouldn't say copy him. But like they they've done his moves and put them in their own routines and stuff. But he's created and introduced a lot of moves that a lot of us do today.

Nick VinZant 28:03

Are you working on anything new now that to bring the competition next year?

Lopati Leaso 28:09

Oh, that's the so usually after competitions, I brainstorm I get all these ideas and stuff like that. It's like, oh, shoot, I should have done this and whatnot. This year, it's been kind of challenging, because I want to say I reached my limit because the sky's the limit. But it's been a little bit more difficult to come up with something different because you can't come back doing the same thing as you did the year before, because then someone else has done that. So you have to kind of like, find out what you can do differently if it's spinning the knife faster. If you're bending lower, again to a lower squat, dancing more like a warrior, or coming up with a transition during a transition that no one's not seen before or never thought of. But I do have some a few new moves that are that are in the works. Along with how I present myself on stage. That's more of a lawyer like

Nick VinZant 29:09

best depiction of this in a movie or TV show.

Lopati Leaso 29:13

I know there's been a few movies out there with finite dancers slash TV shows. But there's it's always a small clip because they're the they're just the background people. One I do remember in particularly was the it was it was a movie with Adam Sandler in it.

Nick VinZant 29:34

And first dates. No,

Lopati Leaso 29:37

no, it was it was bedtime stories. I think it was called. Okay, okay. Okay, and there's a luau scene. And a friend of mine was in the movie called Miko. And he was spinning the knife in the background and I think somebody pushed him in the pool. It was one of the main characters who just shoved him Out of the way, and then the finest dancer went into the pool and whatnot. But he's one of the ones that you know he was doing it right. But most likely they're not going to hire somebody who does not know what they're doing. I've done a TV Disney TV show called Austin alley. And Gnosis like a camera just passing by me. You can hardly tell what I'm even doing.

Nick VinZant 30:22

Do you have a hard time getting health insurance?

Lopati Leaso 30:26

I know, a lot of people probably think I'm like, a regular at the hospital, where I'm just like a normal rate customer where I, I get in my car and they this punch it, stamp it like, Okay, you're almost to your free McFlurry right here. But no, the only time I've ever visited the hospital was for my face. And when I stabbed my eyeball with the knife as well.

Nick VinZant 30:52

What was the doctors reaction when he told him like, what were you doing? Like? Well, this is what I was doing.

Lopati Leaso 30:58

He was wondering what happened. And we explained to him what what I do and what what happened. And then he's just like, Okay, I think he was more stunned about when I asked him right afterwards, like, when do you think I can go back to dancing to work in again? And he just looked at me like, I'm crazy. And he was just like, I think you need to find something else to do. Because we don't know how you recover from this. And I kind of just chuckled a little bit because it's like, this doctor has no idea who I am. That's stopping his arm option.

Nick VinZant 31:37

How bad was it?

Lopati Leaso 31:40

I looked like I would say I probably looked like Deadpool with this mask off. I don't know if anybody knows what that looks like. Or like Darth Vader when his face was all messed up. But pretty much everything. It was this it was all gone. The only thing that were not touch were my eyeballs.

Nick VinZant 32:00

How did it happen?

Lopati Leaso 32:03

I was trying something new. And it just didn't work out on the way I planted.

Nick VinZant 32:09

Like the knife just hits you in the face or the fire came up and it was your hairs.

Lopati Leaso 32:14

It was all the fuel all the gasoline that kind of sprayed all over my face, mix with the fire at the same time. And so like I ended up setting my face on fire, but it just happened my front yard, it didn't happen at a gig. So I didn't even get paid for it. But I had all my friends there. So they were able to put me out.

Nick VinZant 32:38

Me and I bet that hurt me and the birds hurt.

Lopati Leaso 32:42

It did. Because I didn't even take painkillers or anything, too.

Nick VinZant 32:47

That's pretty much all the questions that I have man, is there anything else that you think that we missed or anything like that?

Lopati Leaso 32:56

I don't think so. I think that pretty much sums it up.