What's a Professional Companion? It's a new term, for an old profession. Stacy X joins us for an inside look at a secretive industry that's more than what it seems. We talk unusual requests, famous clients and empowering women. Then, we countdown the Top 5 Worst Places to have Excess Body Hair.

Interview with Stacy Robertson

Speakers

Nick VinZant - Profoundly Pointless Host

Stacy Robertson - Professional Companion

Nick VinZant 0:13

Hey everybody, welcome to Profoundly Pointless. My name is Nick VinZant. Coming up in this episode, we're going to talk to a professional companion, and then count down the top five worst places to have excess body hair.

Stacy Robertson 0:28

I would say people outside of the industry tend to think that it's really all just about sex or kind of high level prostitution. But it's actually not. You know how to do that and how to meet those needs. Ideally, most of these men would love to have their needs met at home. They would prefer to be having sex with their wives and they would be with, you know, me or somebody else. But the reality is, every single day I'm willing to face rape, assault, murder, every single day that I opened my door to someone, the view is that I've met some women that I tell you what they are a force to be reckoned with in this industry, and it has been very empowering for me as a woman.

Nick VinZant 1:12

I want to thank you guys so much for joining us. If you get a chance, like, download, subscribe, share, we really appreciate it. It really helps us out. Our first guest is fascinating. It's just a fascinating story. She's a professional companion. And if you don't know what that is, it's basically a high end escort. And she gives us this really interesting look at what a sex workers life is really like. That includes everything from dangerous situations, married men, unusual requests. And even some famous clients that you might have heard of. This is professional companion, Stacy Robertson.

Nick VinZant

So essentially how did you become a professional companion

Stacy Robertson 2:02

So I have a master's degree in counseling and I'm 20 years as a child and family therapist. And I got really burnt out. And after 20 years of being in this tournament Initially, I came in as a girl into the adult industry, and because I could do my full time job during the day, and then I work at night, like from 10pm or 11pm to three in the morning. And then the first week of ketamine, I was like, I texted my friend and I was like, my vagina. I was like, you know what I actually prefer? I really miss the in person, aspect of connecting with people. So I did about six months of research. There are I ordered a whole bunch of books on Amazon and read a lot of websites And articles before I stepped into the industry as a companion, and then, so after about six months or so of kameen, and doing a lot of research, I put up my first ad and so that I could, that I could just kind of rest and recover from a long time of working in crisis and, you know, pretty high intense cases as a therapist, So a professional companion and an escort is that the same thing or is that technically different? I consider it to be the same thing. Yeah, I think that there's been kind of an industry to move away from the term of escort because it has some negative connotations, perhaps. And also, you know, professional companion really emphasizes more around the relationships and that are developed and the connection that you have during because that's really what a lot of people want. I would say people outside of the industry tend to think that it's really all just about sex or kind of high level prostitution. But it's actually not

Nick VinZant 4:02

the elephant in the room question like, when you do this, are you having sex with people or not? Or does it depend? Stacy Robertson 4:10 Yeah, so it really just depends. So, ultimately, you know, on the front end, it's always about my time. So a person will, you know, connect with me to spend time with me and that's ultimately what they're paying for is, you know, my ability to connect and to make them feel, you know, adored and appreciated and, and in my kind of therapy worlds, I would my ability to be present with them. And then as adults, you know, if we choose to do something else with that times, and then we then we can do that, and yes, that does happen,

Nick VinZant 4:43

but they're not specifically paying for that necessarily.

Stacy Robertson 4:47 Correct. Yeah. And if anybody wants, like, I don't typically attract those kind of clients anyways. And so, you know, if someone kind of comes at me, and that's what they want, or they're approaching me, you Yourprimary role or function or what I enjoy the time together with people, so,

Nick VinZant 5:12

but do you feel more pressure like okay, yeah, maybe I will do this, maybe I won't, but there is pressure there, like does the money involve, make you make a decision that maybe you normally wouldn't make?

Stacy Robertson 5:28

No, not for me. It doesn't. And I would say that generally speaking, yes, there is an underlying assumption that the possibility is there. You know, when when anyone says that appointment when I scheduled an appointment like that, yeah, that's the underlying assumption is that we may, you know, that door can be open, just depending on how the interaction goes, you know, someone may not be you know, they may find that they're totally not and, you know, and that's okay too. Or, you know, it may they may have you know, other kinds of issues going on that it doesn't go down that route. But the doors is definitely there for it to happen if we choose to.

Nick VinZant 6:08

Have you ever had somebody get, you know, angry when it doesn't happen?

Stacy Robertson 6:13

I have not. No, I've had very positive actually very positive experiences with, you know, gentlemen or clients in the industry. Very few. I know that it seems like it might be common to have a more negative experience for people who are just kind of jerks. But that's not the case. Most of the people I encounter are actually very, very cordial, very polite, a lot of them are married and have families, they own businesses and, you know, so they're not out there trying to, you know, be mean to people typically.

Nick VinZant 6:52

Are they looking for sex? Are they really looking for just companionship?

Stacy Robertson 6:57 I would say that they claim that They're looking for sex. But the reality is they're looking for connection, you know, at least for me, in my sessions and, you know, I, I tend to be as a therapist I was what's called string space and solution focused which works really well for the adult industry because I'm you know, it doesn't matter what someone looks like when they show up at my door, you know, I'm going to find all the things that are just awesome about them, and that I adore about them and, you know, find ways to connect and to talk and to laugh and giggle and they are my number one priority in that hour. I make them feel like I don't have my attention anywhere else. And and I enjoy that. And there's, to me a therapeutic value in that as well. Because it doesn't happen very often. today's day and age people are, you know, their relationships are strained. They're struggling. They're, you know, I don't know, I don't know that people really take time to really be with one another.

Nick VinZant 7:58

You mentioned some of the men were married. Do their wives know or is it a secret

Stacy Robertson 8:06

Yeah. And that's a really, really good question because I do get, I get asked that a lot even from so I choose to be open in my life, my, my real name, I am transparent about what I do with my family members, my friends, my colleagues, everyone knows, I don't go to the PTA and announce it. But if someone asks me, I'm gonna, you know, I'm going to share with them and tell them so I get asked that question quite a bit. And ultimately, what I believe foundational truth for me is that people have a right to have their needs met. And if they're not having that in a relationship, and I would say that's primarily, like, I think that people have the perception that, you know, men who do this are just kind of jerks and they just want to, you know, they're sex addicts and and, you know, they just want to get off and That's all their focus and you're just stepping out, you know, being an ass about it. But that's not actually the case. Most of the men that I know who do this, they're not getting any sex at home and haven't in months, or years. And that is it's shocking to me. It's appalling to me. And, and there's times that I just want to shake wives and say, Hey, you know, please connect with and meet the needs of your husband. And, and maybe he's not either, you know, there's obviously some dynamics that are happening and relationships just are not working for people. So that's the place that I come from is that ultimately he has been met at homosexual needs, he is going to find a way to meet them. That is how human nature is and works. And there's all kinds of avenues you know, for how you know how to do that and how to meet those needs. Ideally, most of these men would love to have their needs met at home, they would prefer to be having sex with their wives and they would be with, you know, me or somebody else. So I, you know, and when I have an appointment, I actually hold that relationship. Kind of this might sound odd, but that's okay. Because I'm an energetic practitioners well studied Eastern and Western philosophies and all kinds of alternative medicine and all kinds of alternative things. So I create a space where I create space for their relationship to be there with us and kind of hold that sacredness. And my hope is that anything that we do, you know, in all of our talking and all of our interaction, that this gentleman goes out into the world, a better person, that he feels happier, he feels more connected, that he might be more likely to connect with his family, with his wife, with you know, be nicer when he's driving on the road. You know, so Maybe it's Pollyanna in nature, the way that I view things, but that's really what's important to me. And I feel like for the most part, the feedback that I get is that that's what happens is that you know, someone is able to leave and feel better about themselves and sit and I also just endorsed not feeling shame and guilt about what you want and what you need. And a lot of people struggle with that still, they struggle with feeling validated that they have a right to have sexual desires. I feel like most men feel really guilty about that. And women don't understand. They don't understand maybe the nature of a man's brain, his body, his relationship with his penis, you know, and the need to and men struggle with with vocalizing those things. So there's still a lot of room for us to grow in our culture around talking about sex and connecting with ourselves about sex. is still a very taboo subject. Now obviously, as a woman, you know, I don't want to hurt anyone at all, you know, and you know, if I have run into situations where I happen to have yes or no in the community someone's you know, partner also humanizes the experiment, you know, puts a name and a face to, you know, this woman who's on the other side of this relationship, you know, for perhaps the client.And so I just really practice not judging and allowing myself to feel difficult feelings around like, yeah, this doesn't feel very good. And I know that it wouldn't feel very good to her. She knew that. But I also recognize that there's a deeper issue in the relationship than just what's happening, you know, at the surface. And so, I still feel, you know, valid and being able to say like, hey, there's there's something here that's broken and needs to be fixed. But it's not necessarily my industry or my role in the industry. If that makes sense.

Nick VinZant 13:06 It does. So your first time that you did this, what was that? Like? Were you nervous? Did you know what to expect?

Stacy Robertson 13:15 I was very, very nervous. And I actually really grateful that I just feel blessed. Because my actual first experience, you know, I just didn't know what I didn't know. And I, you know, I actually put myself in danger. And so I look back at that and I'm like, oh, my goodness, thank goodness that I was okay. And, you know, so, I, you know, I met up with someone who have you given me a lot of information and, you know, was we were outside it was late at night, you know, and so it was really kind of awkward, and it was my you know, spidey senses were kind of going off, but I just didn't know what I didn't know. And at the time, even though done a lot of research, you know, you still just think I'm not sure exactly what to expect. And, and the safety aspect is certainly a big issue and something that, you know, you want to especially women in the industry feel, you know, a lot of them feel very unsafe because, you know, we're meeting people who are strangers to us that we don't know. And we don't know, you know, we're, we're in our personal proximity to them. So our bodies and our homes and our, you know, whatever, are kind of vulnerable, so to speak. So, it was, yeah, it was a little nerve wracking. And I would say the first probably year and a half that I was in the industry, I was really timid about it. And then this last almost a year now, I've, I just kind of said, You know what, I'm gonna own this, I'm gonna own my role. I'm gonna own This is who I am and this is what I do, and I'm gonna go with it. And when I did that it made a huge difference. Are you really highly sexual in the first place? You know, I would not have initially considered myself to be highly sexual. But I, I also think that if I'm comparing myself to people that are in the industry, you know, I'm pretty girl next door and on a funny note kind of vanilla for someone who does have as much sexual experiences I do. I get some good laughs about that. But, you know, overall, maybe compared to other women, or even if I compared myself to, you know, previous versions of myself in my life, I certainly am more sexual now than I ever have been. But that's been a journey. Since for about the last nine years or so, pretty much after I turned 40 I just got really invested in Canada. Been with my body and understanding my body better, and understanding pleasure and how to have more pleasure. That's been. And that's been it's been a fun journey to learn how to take that. So

Nick VinZant 16:13

how much do you charge? Like, how much money can you make doing this?

Stacy Robertson 16:17

Well, you can make a lot of money. I mean, I, you know, my, my rate is three, I'm trying to think of what I'm at right now, like $350 an hour. And so it just depends on how many, you know, clients that you're able to see in a week or want to see I don't tend to, you know, I tend to err are probably unless, so I might see one to two a day. And usually I just work Monday through Fridays, but sometimes I do evenings or weekends, just depending on the person.

Nick VinZant 16:53

what's the downside? Like, why aren't more people doing this? Gosh, there's tons of downsides. I mean, I think that so there's a huge amount of stigma that is associated, you know, with this, there's legal issues that are associated with it, that you have to be very mindful and very careful about their safety issues. You know, I mean, as I say, I mean, I could, I can vet someone, but the reality is, every single day, I'm willing to face rape, assault, murder, every single day that I opened my door to someone and force for me to feel that passionate about what I do that I'm willing to face those things. You know, it really says something about the industry also and how important it is. The other downside is people get, you know, I mean, there's people who have stalkers, there's people who lose their family members, and friends because of it. You know, because outside of the industry, it's really difficult for people to understand you The work that we do, and the risks that we face, and, you know, and then judgment around, you know, because there's a lot of kind of alternative lifestyle, and fetishes that I'm now familiar with that I, you know, wasn't familiar before coming into the industry. And you know, a lot of people have judgments about those things. So, I would say that that's the primary reason that most people, you know, they use a persona and a fake name and an alias and take all kinds of measures to protect themselves. I just, I, I was mentored by someone else in the industry who she also uses her real name and she's very authentic. She's 10 years older than me. And it just mattered to me to be more congruent and authentic with who I am and transparent. And I'm willing to have those difficult conversations with people in my personal life. And so it's also I just consider it to be a luxury as well. I'm educated and articulate, and therefore I feel a sense of, you know, really wanting to advocate for the industry or take a stand and say, Hey, you know, this, this isn't as bad as what people think that it is. And there's lots of us who are who are doing this. And we are, you know, great and empowered women. Because I think that the the view is that I've met some woman that I tell you what, they are a force to be reckoned with. in this industry, and it has been very empowering for me as a woman. No, I haven't encountered at all I kind of that idea around people thinking, Oh, you're just being sex traffic or Oh, Daddy issues or, you know, I don't find that to be true. Is this legal?

Stacy Robertson 19:48

No.

Nick VinZant 19:51

But is even Okay, is it even kind of legal in the sense like, Alright, I'm not selling you drugs. I'm selling you this. A piece of paper and the drugs come free. Like, can you get it around it like that? Or is it basically like no matter how you do this, it ain't legal.

Stacy Robertson 20:09

Yeah. So that would explain kind of what it is. Yeah. So it's basically I'm selling you my time. You know, you're, you're paying to spend time with me. And if nothing else occurs, then great. That's a bonus. And that's kind of the workaround for, you know, not considering it, active prostitution. You know, that you're not actually selling a sex act, a particular sex act for money. So there's a lot of wording around that.So that people can stay, but there's, yeah,

Nick VinZant 20:52

there's not like undercover police trying to catch you or something like that.

Stacy Robertson 20:57 Yes, sir.

Nick VinZant 20:59 Did you spot him Or like, Did you get arrested? Or what? What happened?

Stacy Robertson 21:03

No, no, it's just known in the industry. I mean, they set up scenes. And I would say that's the primary way that they, you know, try to catch, you know, catch people or arrest people is through things like, you know, usually they're gonna set up for high volume. But yeah, they're always looking for me, that's the very first thing that I note or that I, you know, create awareness around when I'm talking with someone who's new is, you know, in the back of my mind, is this the police officer? And are they are there certain kinds of behaviors that they're doing that would lead me to think that maybe they are. So it's a daily thought, and you worry about that happening? Yeah, I guess I feel kind of

Nick VinZant 21:53

there's a difference, right? There's a difference between the person on the street and somebody like yourself, like one I get Guess the other I don't quite get why somebody is, how do you feel about it? Do you feel like what you're doing should be illegal? Or do you feel like it should be fine?

Stacy Robertson 22:10

I think it should be decriminalized. For sure. Because there's, you know, I would say that the the fact that it is illegal is around, you know, there's just lots of stuff, right? It's a way to oppress a certain population, it's a way to control it's a way to, you know, generate more money, lots of things. And certainly people are worried about trafficking. And yes, no one wants someone who's under aged or someone who's being coerced in the industry. You know, those are all bad things. So, you know, bad from the standpoint of not healthy or helpful for someone. But the majority of people in the industry are not that and they're not doing that, and not even anything close to that. And so and you know, this is It's considered the like, the oldest prostitute or oldest profession in the world is prostitution. So, you know, there's all of this stigma, and all of these things. But yeah, the reality is also that sex is a very, very typically a very small portion of the interaction. I mean, I have people who, you know, pay for overnight dates, and I might spend, you know, 12 hours or 24 hours with them, and we're, you know, going to concerts and going out to dinner and, and laughing and watching comedies. You know, it's like, we're spending 11 and a half hours hanging out and doing everything but sex. So there's so much more to it than, you know, some blowjob in a back alley. So,

Nick VinZant 23:53

are you ready for the harder slash listener submitted questions?

Stacy Robertson 23:57

Sure.

Nick VinZant 23:58

Most interesting things. Someone has asked you to do.

Stacy Robertson 24:03

So I had a client who wanted me to dress up and so I was in hoes and heels and dress pants and a silk shirt as if I was going to the office. And they wanted me to lay on the bed with them and talk with them about how if I got really angry, I could overpower them. And then I would turn into the Hulk if I got really angry. And I mean, like for like, three hours worth of time

Nick VinZant 24:33

like specifically the Hulk

Stacy Robertson 24:35

Yeah, yeah, specifically that i would i would just turn into this Hogan in range. And not necessarily like you know, my clothes was rip off and I grow and you know, get like, like the Hulk but that Yeah, I could, I could just be really mean and I and I get really strong when I get angry and I could hurt it.

Nick VinZant 24:56

Did you get it? Or did you understand why they wanted this? Or was it Just like, okay,

Stacy Robertson 25:02

no, yeah. And of course, you know, the therapist in me is I love trying to understand human behavior and why people do what they do. So in the back of my mind, I, you know, there were times that I'm like, What is going on here? You know, and I and I've had other requests to, especially like foot fetishes and things like that. And I can't say, I mean, what I did get it with this particular person is that, you know, they're, you know, probably like an engineer, like our profession, very type a, you know, they were in, you know, higher up in management and things. And so, a lot of times that will lend itself to someone who wants to be more submissive in the bedroom, if they've been, you know, very kind of in a powerful position outside. But at the same time, it's a very, it was a very unique request. And so, yeah, I wasn't really sure why, but I was willing to, you know, I was willing to try and And see if that would make them happy.

Nick VinZant 26:05

Most you have made in a week.

Stacy Robertson 26:10

Let's see most of made in a week. Probably had a close to $5,000 a week before. That's pretty good money.

Nick VinZant 26:22

Now is that from one person or is that just from?

Stacy Robertson 26:27

No Yeah, from multiple like one time I had to, like the week of Christmas. I think it was I had two overnights that week actually. And those are like 2020 $500 a pop. So yeah, I made actually I probably made 7000 that week.

Nick VinZant 26:44

Would anybody listening know any of your clients? Okay, so that implies like, if there's just regular random listeners, if I've had a client that would be no, were they right? Yeah. Like somebody who people would know who that person is?

Stacy Robertson 27:07

At least locally? Yes

Nick VinZant 27:08

Can you name the industry? Now, I'm really curious Let me ask, Can I ask you this business or athletics related?

Stacy Robertson 27:19

Both

Nick VinZant 27:25

Younger or older.

Stacy Robertson 27:37

Both, but mostly older

Nick VinZant 27:37

Okay, last question. And last question in this regard, if on a one on a scale of like one, they're just kind of famous, like, maybe somebody has heard of them somewhere some day like, in a town of in a town of 100 people, they're known 10 like worldwide global celebrity, where would you put them at in That list from like, least to most famous.

Stacy Robertson 28:06

Let's see. So, probably like a five.

Nick VinZant 28:10

It's still pretty good. That's like yeah, that's like a not really well watched Hollywood movie kind of famous.

Stacy Robertson 28:20

Yeah, like a well known actress.

Nick VinZant 28:26

how does you know how to family and friends feel about it.

Stacy Robertson 28:34

I just feel really, really blessed. You know, my family and my friends have been just incredible. But, you know, I think too, they know me. And so, I will tell you this is kind of funny when I sat my mom down a couple years ago. And it was like, around Mother's Day or my birthday or something like that. I said, Mom, I've got something to tell you and said okay, so I told her and she just looked at me and Through all Do you have anything to say? And she's like, at least you're not pregnant again.

Nick VinZant 29:12

yeah, that's

Stacy Robertson 29:16

that's all she had to say. Most of them just asked me, you know, my kids, my sons are older. And you know, I've got kids that are in there. My daughter's turning 30. And then most of them are in their 20s and some teenagers. So they just ask, Are you being safe? Are you safe? You know? And I said, Yeah, that's about it. I'm like, Okay, cool. Are you happy? Yeah. All right.

Nick VinZant 29:38

It's such an interesting thing, right? Because you do what you do, and people would have a certain kind of reaction to that. And then there's people who might be like, a lawyer, and they've ripped off thousands of people or you're the head of a company, and we pollute the environment. And that's totally acceptable, but what you do, like mmm hmm

Stacy Robertson 30:00

Yeah, I feel like I represent kind of breaking some mold around. You know, yes, I have a master's degree in 20 years experience as a child and family therapist, and then yes, I'm a mother of, you know, I've given birth to eight children. And then yes, I do this. And so it's like, you know, it's kind of mind blowing to people when they're, you know, I can see him Just look at me and try to take it all in, like you said, What? You do what? And that's the fun part. But I also think that that's the important part is because, you know, with everything that's going on in the world right now to like, we put people in these boxes, and we stereotype them and we make assumptions about who they are and what they do. And the reality is that we're all just, we're humans, and, you know, we all have mothers, you know, we're all someone someone cares about us, you know, regardless of our skin color in our religion in our profession, and it's like, let's get past some of that it'sabout damn time Because of what you do for a living? Can you find joy in like companionship outside of this? Or does it make it more difficult to kind of have a real relationship? Yeah, and this is what is actually exciting. So I love this question. My partner and I are actually going to create a podcast together. So yes, I am actually in a relationship and have been for, I don't know, probably about six months now. And it was someone who I met as a client, they were a client first. And it's a very interesting dynamic. It's certainly, you know, as with any relationship, it takes work, and it takes, you know, being transparent and a lot of communication and, and I would say that there's a good chunk of people who are in the industry who are in relationships, but I feel like the perception outside of the industry is that is that women aren't in relationship or that they don't you know, Perhaps don't deserve a relationship. Or people say, well, who would date someone who, you know, does what you do. And that's why, you know, I'm going to be talking about that even a lot more and just, you know, some of the struggles that we have faced, and how we've gotten through those things and, and how we what kind of conversations that we have, you know, from trust, and then, you know, how do I keep things private? Also, so, there's an element with my work, right, that, you know, I'm not going to reveal everybody's personal information, who's my clients like discretion, and being discreet as a part of that process? But it works and it works really well. I mean, I'm thrilled, I feel like I met my my full name, like he's fucking awesome. And he, he loves what I do. And he, you know, he's supportive and in a lot of ways, and of course, he understands that side of me but also So if we talk about how, you know, when I, when I go to work, I go to work, and there's a kind of a uniform per se that I have, there's some mental emotional things that I do to kind of go into the office, so to speak, which is how I approach it. And then there's my personal life. And so certainly some of those things might overlap. But you know, him being now on the side of he's not on the client side anymore. And I told him when we first started dating and I was like, you better put on your seatbelt because now you're in my personal life and now you know, you're going to see like the whole behind the scenes and, and you know, who I am on the regular, you know, on a regular basis, not just who I am for this hour of time that I have, you know, with someone and it's been really good.

Nick VinZant 33:48 I want to thank Stacy so much for joining us if you want to connect with her. We have linked to her on our social media accounts, or Profoundly Pointless on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. And we have also in Included her information on the RSS feed that's on this podcast. And I'm really curious to let us know what you guys think about this. Because there's definitely some areas where you can feel one way one minute and feel completely the other way. The other minute. As you probably heard, she's also going to be starting a podcast of her own. So check back and we'll make sure that we update the RSS feed with the link to that podcast when it gets off the ground. I think. I think it's gonna be really interesting. I really do.